Dev says: "DSi is a more powerful platform than DS Lite"

http://kotaku.com/5321955/dev-dsi-is-a-more-powerful-platform-than-ds-lite

"This is something we've really been thinking about and working on," he said. "What's interesting about the DSi is [that] it's a much more capable system than the DS and DSLite than some may think." He was suggesting that the machine has more horsepower, something I've heard from other DS developers as well but did not have a chance to follow-up on in this interview.

so, i think we've all known this since the DSi's specs were revealed to be better than the Lite's and that it wasn't just for the camera, and other features.

I can't believe Kotaku doesn't already know the DSi has a CPU thats twice the speed of the DS, and four times the RAM, more importantly how is the DSi's video memory?

I really think its just a matter of time until we see these DSi only games at stores, which i predict won't come out until 2010, that we will see a difference. As i'd take this as confirmation, from a developer, that the DSi is indeed, as many of us had known before, more powerful

the question is, when does nintendo make it into a new console (it will have new games at stores). do they wait until 10 million units sold? 20 million? (it is already at 5 million and looks to be a 10-12 million at least by end of xmas)

thoughts?

We all know its more powerful but it is not intended to be a new console. Iwata said so himself. Here's a link. You have to scroll down a bit. He says that it is just the third in the DS Line. Not a new console.

We all know its more powerful but it is not intended to be a new console. Iwata said so himself. Here's a link. You have to scroll down a bit. He says that it is just the third in the DS Line. Not a new console.

destroyerHHH

you see nintendo has this habit of going back on previous statements

ask me this, you provided that link yes, but why did nintendo then at GDC confirm that there will be DSi games sold at stores that only work on the DSi and they will be different from the current DS games?

this really isn't unlike nintendo,

i believe the DSi will probably play out as like the GBC to the GB, but with more exclusives.

[QUOTE="destroyerHHH"]

We all know its more powerful but it is not intended to be a new console. Iwata said so himself. Here's a link. You have to scroll down a bit. He says that it is just the third in the DS Line. Not a new console.

darth-pyschosis

you see nintendo has this habit of going back on previous statements

ask me this, you provided that link yes, but why did nintendo then at GDC confirm that there will be DSi games sold at stores that only work on the DSi and they will be different from the current DS games?

this really isn't unlike nintendo,

i believe the DSi will probably play out as like the GBC to the GB, but with more exclusives.

We know already. I don't think it's powerful enough to warrant it becoming it's "own" platform i.e. have (a lot of) new games in stores. That is what DSi-Ware is for.Next-Gen-Tec

well then you have to ask yourself, was the DS powerful enuff to warrant a new console over the GBA in terms of hardware?

DS only upped the CPU from 17Mhz to 67Mhz, VRAM from 128kb to 656kb, and the DS has 4MB ram, and the GBA had 256 WRAM and a screen that was 0.1inch smaller than the DS's screen

technically it seems the DSi follows the Nintendo handheld upgrade pattern very well, as it increases the Cpu from 67Mhz to 133, and the ram from 4MB to 16MB, and we've yet to see how much VRAM it has.

i mean if you leaked the Wii's specs in 2005, most people would have said they were fake as they weren't much more than the Cube, and now people are generally satisfied with it though it is essentially a GCN 1.5, just like the GBC was a GB 1.5 with color, and the DSi is pretty much a DS 1.5-2.0

[QUOTE="darth-pyschosis"]

[QUOTE="destroyerHHH"]

We all know its more powerful but it is not intended to be a new console. Iwata said so himself. Here's a link. You have to scroll down a bit. He says that it is just the third in the DS Line. Not a new console.

Nintendo_Ownes7

you see nintendo has this habit of going back on previous statements

ask me this, you provided that link yes, but why did nintendo then at GDC confirm that there will be DSi games sold at stores that only work on the DSi and they will be different from the current DS games?

this really isn't unlike nintendo,

i believe the DSi will probably play out as like the GBC to the GB, but with more exclusives.

Yes. They always do. they could go back on DSi not being a new console and make killer new games for it, as they've already said they will make new games for it

or they could go back on making new DSi games and decide against it

even nintendo said they recently scrapped another new handheld

[QUOTE="destroyerHHH"]

We all know its more powerful but it is not intended to be a new console. Iwata said so himself. Here's a link. You have to scroll down a bit. He says that it is just the third in the DS Line. Not a new console.

darth-pyschosis

you see nintendo has this habit of going back on previous statements

ask me this, you provided that link yes, but why did nintendo then at GDC confirm that there will be DSi games sold at stores that only work on the DSi and they will be different from the current DS games?

this really isn't unlike nintendo,

i believe the DSi will probably play out as like the GBC to the GB, but with more exclusives.

Huh. Well I'm expecting about 20 mil units sold before Christmas day and Nintendo will surely have a DSi-exculsive game by then.

I mean, by now most families have already bought thier kids Wiis so I'm sure the DSi will be the next system to be impossible to find on shelves during the holiday season.

I doubt it'll be it's own system since it still has "DS" in the name. It does seem to be getting there but until something brilliant comes out for it that can't be run on the DS/DS Lite it's still just another DS.

[QUOTE="darth-pyschosis"]

[QUOTE="destroyerHHH"]

We all know its more powerful but it is not intended to be a new console. Iwata said so himself. Here's a link. You have to scroll down a bit. He says that it is just the third in the DS Line. Not a new console.

destroyerHHH

you see nintendo has this habit of going back on previous statements

ask me this, you provided that link yes, but why did nintendo then at GDC confirm that there will be DSi games sold at stores that only work on the DSi and they will be different from the current DS games?

this really isn't unlike nintendo,

i believe the DSi will probably play out as like the GBC to the GB, but with more exclusives.

yea but the GBC still sold 30-40 million units, wouldn't they want to sell the same for DSi. and the DSi will easily sell 10 million bby xmas

who says the DSi can't sell 100 million if they support it for the next 4 years? we all know if nintendo wants to put the effort into it, they can.

and nintendo will roll out some decent DSi only stuff at retail whenever they do i bet, at least a Brain Age 3 to get the casuals more on board, as if they weren't already.

but all of this is pure speculation until then of course

We all know its more powerful but it is not intended to be a new console. Iwata said so himself. Here's a link. You have to scroll down a bit. He says that it is just the third in the DS Line. Not a new console.

destroyerHHH

I can't believe Kotaku doesn't already know the DSi has a CPU thats twice the speed of the DS, and four times the RAM, more importantly how is the DSi's video memory?

darth-pyschosis

I hate when people say, "The DSi sucks! It's just a DS Lite without the GBA Slot, and a camera!" Then I bring this up, and they shut up right away.

Edit: Anyone know if it's more powerful than the N64 now? I want ports! :)

[QUOTE="darth-pyschosis"]

I hate when people say, "The DSi sucks! It's just a DS Lite without the GBA Slot, and a camera!" Then I bring this up, and they shut up right away.

Edit: Anyone know if it's more powerful than the N64 now? I want ports! :)

awssk8er716

[QUOTE="darth-pyschosis"]

I can't believe Kotaku doesn't already know the DSi has a CPU thats twice the speed of the DS, and four times the RAM, more importantly how is the DSi's video memory?

awssk8er716

I hate when people say, "The DSi sucks! It's just a DS Lite without the GBA Slot, and a camera!" Then I bring this up, and they shut up right away.

Edit: Anyone know if it's more powerful than the N64 now? I want ports! :)

[QUOTE="awssk8er716"]

[QUOTE="darth-pyschosis"]

I can't believe Kotaku doesn't already know the DSi has a CPU thats twice the speed of the DS, and four times the RAM, more importantly how is the DSi's video memory?

destroyerHHH

I hate when people say, "The DSi sucks! It's just a DS Lite without the GBA Slot, and a camera!" Then I bring this up, and they shut up right away.

Edit: Anyone know if it's more powerful than the N64 now? I want ports! :)

People always said that the DS couldn't handle Ocarina of Time (and some other N64 games). I thought this wasn't true because look at Super Mario 64 DS. It looks better than the original.

[QUOTE="destroyerHHH"][QUOTE="awssk8er716"]

I hate when people say, "The DSi sucks! It's just a DS Lite without the GBA Slot, and a camera!" Then I bring this up, and they shut up right away.

Edit: Anyone know if it's more powerful than the N64 now? I want ports! :)

awssk8er716

People always said that the DS couldn't handle Ocarina of Time (and some other N64 games). I thought this wasn't true because look at Super Mario 64 DS. It looks better than the original.

The reason we are not getting games with more power is because only people with DSi could play them then. They would have to make the label on the games DSi, which would make it it's own system, and we all know that it's only thrid installment in the ds line......i traded in my lite for a DSi and i just ended up getting a new in box Gameboy Micro for seventy dollars, so if they ever decide to make DSi exclusives i'm all covered.... :D

The reason we are not getting games with more power is because only people with DSi could play them then. They would have to make the label on the games DSi, which would make it it's own system, and we all know that it's only thrid installment in the ds line......i traded in my lite for a DSi and i just ended up getting a new in box Gameboy Micro for seventy dollars, so if they ever decide to make DSi exclusives i'm all covered.... :D

lamborghini1134

Wouldn't they be making more money that way? If it's a really good game more people would buy DSi's over thier Lites of Phats (money Nintendo already has) as well as the "great game". So most likely, Nintendo will plan on making at least some DSi-only games. Or at least 3rd parties will...

I can already see the Imagine series using the camera for something stupid...

[QUOTE="Next-Gen-Tec"]We know already. I don't think it's powerful enough to warrant it becoming it's "own" platform i.e. have (a lot of) new games in stores. That is what DSi-Ware is for.darth-pyschosis

well then you have to ask yourself, was the DS powerful enuff to warrant a new console over the GBA in terms of hardware?

DS only upped the CPU from 17Mhz to 67Mhz, VRAM from 128kb to 656kb, and the DS has 4MB ram, and the GBA had 256 WRAM and a screen that was 0.1inch smaller than the DS's screen

technically it seems the DSi follows the Nintendo handheld upgrade pattern very well, as it increases the Cpu from 67Mhz to 133, and the ram from 4MB to 16MB, and we've yet to see how much VRAM it has.

i mean if you leaked the Wii's specs in 2005, most people would have said they were fake as they weren't much more than the Cube, and now people are generally satisfied with it though it is essentially a GCN 1.5, just like the GBC was a GB 1.5 with color, and the DSi is pretty much a DS 1.5-2.0

[QUOTE="lamborghini1134"]

The reason we are not getting games with more power is because only people with DSi could play them then. They would have to make the label on the games DSi, which would make it it's own system, and we all know that it's only thrid installment in the ds line......i traded in my lite for a DSi and i just ended up getting a new in box Gameboy Micro for seventy dollars, so if they ever decide to make DSi exclusives i'm all covered.... :D

Yoweeh

Wouldn't they be making more money that way? If it's a really good game more people would buy DSi's over thier Lites of Phats (money Nintendo already has) as well as the "great game". So most likely, Nintendo will plan on making at least some DSi-only games. Or at least 3rd parties will...

I can already see the Imagine series using the camera for something stupid...

So can I...

It wouldn't be wise to make a DSi-only game,since it would greatly limit your user base.

They probably are going to though. Most definitely.

100% Positive that they will.
Uh-huh. it's gonna happen. Or at least DSi-enhanced, all the way.

We know already. I don't think it's powerful enough to warrant it becoming it's "own" platform i.e. have (a lot of) new games in stores. That is what DSi-Ware is for.Next-Gen-Tec

well then you have to ask yourself, was the DS powerful enuff to warrant a new console over the GBA in terms of hardware?

DS only upped the CPU from 17Mhz to 67Mhz, VRAM from 128kb to 656kb, and the DS has 4MB ram, and the GBA had 256 WRAM and a screen that was 0.1inch smaller than the DS's screen

technically it seems the DSi follows the Nintendo handheld upgrade pattern very well, as it increases the Cpu from 67Mhz to 133, and the ram from 4MB to 16MB, and we've yet to see how much VRAM it has.

i mean if you leaked the Wii's specs in 2005, most people would have said they were fake as they weren't much more than the Cube, and now people are generally satisfied with it though it is essentially a GCN 1.5, just like the GBC was a GB 1.5 with color, and the DSi is pretty much a DS 1.5-2.0

[QUOTE="darth-pyschosis"]

[QUOTE="Next-Gen-Tec"]We know already. I don't think it's powerful enough to warrant it becoming it's "own" platform i.e. have (a lot of) new games in stores. That is what DSi-Ware is for.Next-Gen-Tec

well then you have to ask yourself, was the DS powerful enuff to warrant a new console over the GBA in terms of hardware?

DS only upped the CPU from 17Mhz to 67Mhz, VRAM from 128kb to 656kb, and the DS has 4MB ram, and the GBA had 256 WRAM and a screen that was 0.1inch smaller than the DS's screen

technically it seems the DSi follows the Nintendo handheld upgrade pattern very well, as it increases the Cpu from 67Mhz to 133, and the ram from 4MB to 16MB, and we've yet to see how much VRAM it has.

i mean if you leaked the Wii's specs in 2005, most people would have said they were fake as they weren't much more than the Cube, and now people are generally satisfied with it though it is essentially a GCN 1.5, just like the GBC was a GB 1.5 with color, and the DSi is pretty much a DS 1.5-2.0

It wouldn't be wise to make a DSi-only game,since it would greatly limit your user base.

VGobbsesser

well enix and nintendo already are, and will (at least nintendo) at retail eventually,, but i bet they will wait til DSi hits 15 million or so

It wouldn't be wise to make a DSi-only game,since it would greatly limit your user base.

VGobbsesser

Unfortunately I think this is what most developers are going to be thinking about, so we won't see too many DSi buffed games until the userbase gets bigger:(

[QUOTE="destroyerHHH"]

We all know its more powerful but it is not intended to be a new console. Iwata said so himself. Here's a link. You have to scroll down a bit. He says that it is just the third in the DS Line. Not a new console.

BrunoBRS

where did you find proof or a link confirming the 12MB extra RAM in the DSi to keep it online?
you are aware that it is using more than 4MB of RAM just to play games like WarioWare (using the camera) right? (at least i hear)

why would they need to devote large chunks of ram to keeping you online, when you can turn the wireless off?

[QUOTE="VGobbsesser"]

It wouldn't be wise to make a DSi-only game,since it would greatly limit your user base.

TaMuK711

Unfortunately I think this is what most developers are going to be thinking about, so we won't see too many DSi buffed games until the userbase gets bigger:(

i'm looking forward to hopefully now more than 4 players online in DSi games (hopefully all depends on the VRAM) more objects on screen, not laughable crash physics in Skate It (or a new game like it), and hopefully bigger than 256MB game cards (can anyone say 2GB game cards!)

i'm all for new tech adding to mah handheld games, and i can totally see the camera adding great stuff (like the ghost hunting augmented reality game coming to DSi ware)

[QUOTE="Next-Gen-Tec"][QUOTE="darth-pyschosis"]

well then you have to ask yourself, was the DS powerful enuff to warrant a new console over the GBA in terms of hardware?

DS only upped the CPU from 17Mhz to 67Mhz, VRAM from 128kb to 656kb, and the DS has 4MB ram, and the GBA had 256 WRAM and a screen that was 0.1inch smaller than the DS's screen

technically it seems the DSi follows the Nintendo handheld upgrade pattern very well, as it increases the Cpu from 67Mhz to 133, and the ram from 4MB to 16MB, and we've yet to see how much VRAM it has.

i mean if you leaked the Wii's specs in 2005, most people would have said they were fake as they weren't much more than the Cube, and now people are generally satisfied with it though it is essentially a GCN 1.5, just like the GBC was a GB 1.5 with color, and the DSi is pretty much a DS 1.5-2.0

BrunoBRS

Also, I know PSP can't but that's almost a portable PS2, and it's 4 years old. GC was a beast though.

look i understand ppl don't liked to be forced into buying new consoles but after 5 years, why not

lets say these new retail games use the full hardware, make graphics, physics, etc 2-4 times better than the lite could, and lets say the game cards are 1GB or 2GB each, more space, more content, more players online, etc.

the graphics would be similar like the transition from GCN to Wii, no resolution change really, but more hardware (infact it seems the DSi is more of a DS 2.0 than the Wii is a GCN 1.5 since the Wii's CPU isn't even twice the clock speed of the GCN, unlike the DSi it is twice the speed of the DS's)

i mean really guys, if Nintendo decided to roll out some killer DSi stuff in 2010, like a Smash Bros, or a new Mario Kart, with better physics, better graphics, better hardware use all around, and like 2GB games, why wouldn't you be happy?

of course yea it'd be a new console, so it would be a little weak on the new titles right away, but we all know if Nintendo wants to they can make DSi exclusives just as successful as normal DS games given a few years just like it took a few years for DS games to become the 3rd party powerhouse that it is today

[QUOTE="BrunoBRS"][QUOTE="destroyerHHH"]

We all know its more powerful but it is not intended to be a new console. Iwata said so himself. Here's a link. You have to scroll down a bit. He says that it is just the third in the DS Line. Not a new console.

darth-pyschosis

where did you find proof or a link confirming the 12MB extra RAM in the DSi to keep it online?
you are aware that it is using more than 4MB of RAM just to play games like WarioWare (using the camera) right? (at least i hear)

why would they need to devote large chunks of ram to keeping you online, when you can turn the wireless off?

look i understand ppl don't liked to be forced into buying new consoles but after 5 years, why not

lets say these new retail games use the full hardware, make graphics, physics, etc 2-4 times better than the lite could, and lets say the game cards are 1GB or 2GB each, more space, more content, more players online, etc.

the graphics would be similar like the transition from GCN to Wii, no resolution change really, but more hardware (infact it seems the DSi is more of a DS 2.0 than the Wii is a GCN 1.5 since the Wii's CPU isn't even twice the clock speed of the GCN, unlike the DSi it is twice the speed of the DS's)

i mean really guys, if Nintendo decided to roll out some killer DSi stuff in 2010, like a Smash Bros, or a new Mario Kart, with better physics, better graphics, better hardware use all around, and like 2GB games, why wouldn't you be happy?

of course yea it'd be a new console, so it would be a little weak on the new titles right away, but we all know if Nintendo wants to they can make DSi exclusives just as successful as normal DS games given a few years just like it took a few years for DS games to become the 3rd party powerhouse that it is today

darth-pyschosis

[QUOTE="darth-pyschosis"]

[QUOTE="BrunoBRS"] read: it'll run regular DS games, but some people might try to use the extra memory/CPU. it's not really that much extra memory when you consider most of the extra ram is being used to keep you always online.BrunoBRS

where did you find proof or a link confirming the 12MB extra RAM in the DSi to keep it online?
you are aware that it is using more than 4MB of RAM just to play games like WarioWare (using the camera) right? (at least i hear)

why would they need to devote large chunks of ram to keeping you online, when you can turn the wireless off?

why do you think the DSi is trying to "backstage online"? what are you refering to and why wouldn't the same apply to the DS Lite?

it has 4 times the RAM as the DS lite, so it could theortically do 4 times as much as the DS in terms of RAM usage

[QUOTE="darth-pyschosis"]

look i understand ppl don't liked to be forced into buying new consoles but after 5 years, why not

lets say these new retail games use the full hardware, make graphics, physics, etc 2-4 times better than the lite could, and lets say the game cards are 1GB or 2GB each, more space, more content, more players online, etc.

the graphics would be similar like the transition from GCN to Wii, no resolution change really, but more hardware (infact it seems the DSi is more of a DS 2.0 than the Wii is a GCN 1.5 since the Wii's CPU isn't even twice the clock speed of the GCN, unlike the DSi it is twice the speed of the DS's)

i mean really guys, if Nintendo decided to roll out some killer DSi stuff in 2010, like a Smash Bros, or a new Mario Kart, with better physics, better graphics, better hardware use all around, and like 2GB games, why wouldn't you be happy?

of course yea it'd be a new console, so it would be a little weak on the new titles right away, but we all know if Nintendo wants to they can make DSi exclusives just as successful as normal DS games given a few years just like it took a few years for DS games to become the 3rd party powerhouse that it is today

Next-Gen-Tec

Just like simply adding Color to a handheld and a slight hardware upgrade wasn't nintendo? lets face it, nintendo handhelds have always been minimal upgrades from the last. 4Mhz CPUs to 8Mhz, to 16Mhz, to 67Mhz and now 133Mhz. they never really add much hardware at all, but at least double their predecessor.

you basically said "do you think nintendo would just introduce a new way to play games, and new better hardware and call it a new console?" coz thats what they did with the camera and hardware, same they did with the Wii and the DS itself, new ways to play, slightly better hardware

i just want games that don't limit me to 4 players in Mario Kart online so the 3 losers who are cheating drop out or are sore losers and then bam! game over. if this hardware increase can push DSi only games to something more respectable like at least 8 players online i'm all for it. its 2009.

(additionally note the GBC didn't change its resolution from the GB either)

[QUOTE="BrunoBRS"]

[QUOTE="darth-pyschosis"]

where did you find proof or a link confirming the 12MB extra RAM in the DSi to keep it online?
you are aware that it is using more than 4MB of RAM just to play games like WarioWare (using the camera) right? (at least i hear)

why would they need to devote large chunks of ram to keeping you online, when you can turn the wireless off?

darth-pyschosis

why do you think the DSi is trying to "backstage online"? what are you refering to and why wouldn't the same apply to the DS Lite?

it has 4 times the RAM as the DS lite, so it could theortically do 4 times as much as the DS in terms of RAM usage

nobody knows how much of the DSi's more powerful hardware is being used in the new features, and i doubt anyone in this topic really knows hardware language enough (me included) to know how much 12MB of RAM is for a DS game. we're just throwing theories here, but one thing's for sure: dont expect much different graphics on your DSi

[QUOTE="darth-pyschosis"]

[QUOTE="BrunoBRS"] i didnt read anywhere. but let's face it: 12MB isnt that much, and the RAM to keep the "backstage online" working has to come from somewhere.

BrunoBRS

why do you think the DSi is trying to "backstage online"? what are you refering to and why wouldn't the same apply to the DS Lite?

it has 4 times the RAM as the DS lite, so it could theortically do 4 times as much as the DS in terms of RAM usage

nobody knows how much of the DSi's more powerful hardware is being used in the new features, and i doubt anyone in this topic really knows hardware language enough (me included) to know how much 12MB of RAM is for a DS game. we're just throwing theories here, but one thing's for sure: dont expect much different graphics on your DSi

No i'm cool

its just you're making statements that you don't even sound like you even understand. you just admitted you don't fully understand the issue (i don't much either) but i do know how much 16MB of RAM for a DS game is, its 4+4+4+4, four times as much as DS lite. And you just said "Dont expect much different graphics on your DSi" which i imagine you mean for the not revealed yet DSi retail games.

but you have no proof, i get it you're throwing out theories but then you make a statement you seem to act like is true in "dont expect much,..." yet it should be very clear, if you know the tinyest amount about computer hardware, you'd know doubling a CPUs speed, quadrupling the systems RAM can easily produce better video game graphics. ( of course all of this relies on how much VRAM the DSi has)

How can you say thats for sure when you just admitted you don't know what difference 12MB of RAM could make.

its like taking Super Mario Sunshine and comparing it to the stunning Super Mario Galaxy, the Wii's CPU is 1.5 times faster than the Gekko CPU essentially, and it has 88MB RAM (GCN had 24MB RAM i believe) so there is a clear example of how increasing CPU speed and system RAM produces better graphics (once again video memory puts more objects on screen and helps this situation significantly) Now i could be mistaken about small details but i do know this

A better CPU and more system RAM can easily help produce better visuals, physics, with the help of a good amount of video memory.

I think the DSi is > DS lite because you can get the internet for free, in built Wi-Fi and you can take pictures with it. The only things that I don't like about the DSi are: You can't watch videos on myspace youtube etc..., play internet games or even listen to music (because you need to download adobe flash or javascript, which you can't on here!) and for some friggin' reason you can't use a action replay on it. WHY THE HECK CAN'T YOU USE AN ACTION REPLAY ON THE DSi??? can someone answer that question?

Whenever I want to use one or the other (Internet/Wi-Fi Multiplayer and Action Replay) I'd have to switch over to the other system. It's bad enough there's no GBA slot but not letting the Action Replay work on the DSi is B.S.!

Whenever I want to use one or the other (Internet/Wi-Fi Multiplayer and Action Replay) I'd have to switch over to the other system. It's bad enough there's no GBA slot but not letting the Action Replay work on the DSi is B.S.!

ECWMANIAC

yes not letting people cheat is horrible

games aren't hard dude, well some are, but the thing that makes them fun and rewarding is beating the hardest ones

also, i support all blocking of anything that helps people cheat online. infact, if console makers can literally send an update to break consoles of people who modded it, hacked it, or changed it purely to cheat in online competition, i'd support breaking their consoles.

some modders don't steal, and dont cheat i know

don't break their consoles

but i'd support breaking cheaters, and theives consoles. ( a little off topic sorry)

[QUOTE="ECWMANIAC"]

Whenever I want to use one or the other (Internet/Wi-Fi Multiplayer and Action Replay) I'd have to switch over to the other system. It's bad enough there's no GBA slot but not letting the Action Replay work on the DSi is B.S.!

darth-pyschosis

also, i support all blocking of anything that helps people cheat online.

[QUOTE="darth-pyschosis"]

[QUOTE="ECWMANIAC"]

Whenever I want to use one or the other (Internet/Wi-Fi Multiplayer and Action Replay) I'd have to switch over to the other system. It's bad enough there's no GBA slot but not letting the Action Replay work on the DSi is B.S.!

ECWMANIAC

also, i support all blocking of anything that helps people cheat online.

Nintendo has been against cheating in all single player games since the NES. it should be no surprise. and as someone who's played CW to the end and back, there aren't that many times you are really in hard gun fights.

just keep trying like all gamers do, and either you'll beat it or stop playing it

The point of a game is to use your skill or nerd power or whatever to get as far as you can. So like, try harder...?

And there is a new Action Replay out for the DSi if you really want it.

The point of a game is to use your skill or nerd power or whatever to get as far as you can. So like, try harder...?

And there is a new Action Replay out for the DSi if you really want it.

Thats why you never gonna be skilled enough. If you use AR when you can't progress, then you will have poor skills, which will make you need AR forever!!!

Nowadays i only play on hard mode when i get the option, and meh skills went up considerably. (when i was a child, i used the easy option, but it has been years since i've stopped.)

Going back on-topic:

On all this thing of VRAM and stuff, you guys forget one thing, we don't even know if the DS games uses their 4MB ram, processors and VRAM to the full. One thing i know is when the ram memory used is more than the half of the max capacity, then the program starts to lag (it depends of the processor, but if kinda 50-85% of the ram is used, the OS usually start to lag)

Theorically, devs don't even touch the max that the DS graphics go because it can get a lil' more expensive to make and/or make the game lag. With the DSi, enabling 12 MB more. The DSi OS must use some of this power. I don't own the DSi, but assuming the OS doesn't lag or anything, the RAM it uses must be something under 10 MB, which means the DSi possibly has at least 6 MB (or more) exclusive for games. If you have more RAM and processor speed to work it, then you can use more of the VRAM without lagging, the question is... how much of the VRAM devs usually use and how much they can use now while keeping the game running smooth?

Keep in mind, i'm just speculating, however we can assume that this scenario, or something nearly similar is what happen with the DS-DSi.

BTW, i believe Nintendo has no intention of making it a new console for now, as they are advertising it as a DS. However, from the announcements of the DSi only stuff. It seems they are not discarding the scenario where the DSi turns itself into the next gen console.

Thats why you never gonna be skilled enough. If you use AR when you can't progress, then you will have poor skills, which will make you need AR forever!!!

Nowadays i only play on hard mode when i get the option, and meh skills went up considerably. (when i was a child, i used the easy option, but it has been years since i've stopped.)

Going back on-topic:

On all this thing of VRAM and stuff, you guys forget one thing, we don't even know if the DS games uses their 4MB ram, processors and VRAM to the full. One thing i know is when the ram memory used is more than the half of the max capacity, then the program starts to lag (it depends of the processor, but if kinda 50-85% of the ram is used, the OS usually start to lag)

Theorically, devs don't even touch the max that the DS graphics go because it can get a lil' more expensive to make and/or make the game lag. With the DSi, enabling 12 MB more. The DSi OS must use some of this power. I don't own the DSi, but assuming the OS doesn't lag or anything, the RAM it uses must be something under 10 MB, which means the DSi possibly has at least 6 MB (or more) exclusive for games. If you have more RAM and processor speed to work it, then you can use more of the VRAM without lagging, the question is... how much of the VRAM devs usually use and how much they can use now while keeping the game running smooth?

Keep in mind, i'm just speculating, however we can assume that this scenario, or something nearly similar is what happen with the DS-DSi.

BTW, i believe Nintendo has no intention of making it a new console for now, as they are advertising it as a DS. However, from the announcements of the DSi only stuff. It seems they are not discarding the scenario where the DSi turns itself into the next gen console.

meiaman

Yes. You're right, in every situation the DSi ends up much much more powerful than the DS/

I sold my DS recently, but I still come to the DS boards for these threads, if only to be amused by the same few posters supporting the DSi. Yes its a great handheld device, & more powerful then the DS lite, but apart from DSi-Ware & a handful of unannounced DSi exclusives, the DSi isn't much of an improvement game wise, especially for people that still play classic GBA titles.

I feel I've been through this 100 times, but when its the same people saying the same thing over & over, I feel I should say my part.

I sold my DS recently, but I still come to the DS boards for these threads, if only to be amused by the same few posters supporting the DSi. Yes its a great handheld device, & more powerful then the DS lite, but apart from DSi-Ware & a handful of unannounced DSi exclusives, the DSi isn't much of an improvement game wise, especially for people that still play classic GBA titles.

I feel I've been through this 100 times, but when its the same people saying the same thing over & over, I feel I should say my part.

Twin-Blade

So? God forbid people here post about the video games they like.

thats great you're still playing a 2 gen old console, i enjoyed a lot of GBA games. but i'm past that. and clearly most of the DS consumers are since the DSi outsells the DS lite.

people are really under appreciating DSiware, its delivered 10 good titles in 3 months (the same as the PSP in 7 months actually)

yes, the DSi isn't a huge improvement game wise yet, but it has the best handheld library out there already, and has a brighter future for new games than the GBA slot does, but once nintendo starts releasing its DSi only games you can be sure it will be very compelling software, it will sell even more DSis (if thats possible).

i'm glad you seem to know me posting a lot about this console, hopefully when some of the killer DSi only games come out at stores you and i can battle on WiFi with them

I can't believe these arguements still go on. The PSP Go is out soon, which is a simple life extension to the PSP, designed to compete alongside the DSi for the next year or so. Sony themselves have stated this, saying that the reason they chose not to include a second analogue stick on the PSP Go was because the PSP was so late on into it's existence that to do so would alienate the existing PSP audience. Clearly any major changes or upgrades would be included on a whole new console. The new console does now enable users to download exclusive PSP Go games, which older PSP users will not be able to play. However, it's clear Sony doesn't see the PSP Go as a long term solution and will likely be readying a new handheld for the end of next year.

Similarly, the DSi is a simple life extension to the DS Lite, with an ever-so-slight hardware improvement, camera and an online shop comparable to the Wii. It allows users to download DSi exclusive software and games. However developers are few when it comes to making DSi exclusive games because it alienates the existing DS and DS Lite audience, which still drowns those DSi owners. Considering the DSi takes up such a small share of the DS market, and that once again the majority of owners will be casual, developers will unlikely alienate an entire audience to make use of such a minimal upgrade. Especially when only the core gamer will care about the ever-so-slightly improved graphics anyway.

Like Sony, I suspect Nintendo doesn't see their latest handheld as a long term project. They too will be planning an all-new handheld in the near future. If the DSi really was an all new handheld format, it would already be a big marketing mistake. There was little hype about it for one thing. It's sits in shops next to the Lite, acting as an advanced DS model. Much like the 360 Elite is to the 360 Premium. The console launched with no major software titles and it didn't get anywhere near the same level of promotion as the DS and DS Lite. It's clearly not expected to outsell the DS Lite or DS. It's simply a life extension that's testing new waters for a future handheld console.

I can't believe these arguements still go on. The PSP Go is out soon, which is a simple life extension to the PSP, designed to compete alongside the DSi for the next year or so. Sony themselves have stated this, saying that the reason they chose not to include a second analogue stick on the PSP Go was because the PSP was so late on into it's existence that to do so would alienate the existing PSP audience. Clearly any major changes or upgrades would be included on a whole new console. The new console does now enable users to download exclusive PSP Go games, which older PSP users will not be able to play. However, it's clear Sony doesn't see the PSP Go as a long term solution and will likely be readying a new handheld for the end of next year.

Similarly, the DSi is a simple life extension to the DS Lite, with an ever-so-slight hardware improvement, camera and an online shop comparable to the Wii. It allows users to download DSi exclusive software and games. However developers are few when it comes to making DSi exclusive games because it alienates the existing DS and DS Lite audience, which still drowns those DSi owners. Considering the DSi takes up such a small share of the DS market, and that once again the majority of owners will be casual, developers will unlikely alienate an entire audience to make use of such a minimal upgrade. Especially when only the core gamer will care about the ever-so-slightly improved graphics anyway.

Like Sony, I suspect Nintendo doesn't see their latest handheld as a long term project. They too will be planning an all-new handheld in the near future. If the DSi really was an all new handheld format, it would already be a big marketing mistake. There was little hype about it for one thing. It's sits in shops next to the Lite, acting as an advanced DS model. Much like the 360 Elite is to the 360 Premium. The console launched with no major software titles and it didn't get anywhere near the same level of promotion as the DS and DS Lite. It's clearly not expected to outsell the DS Lite or DS. It's simply a life extension that's testing new waters for a future handheld console.

Raiko101

it has gotten more marketing than the DS itself, and is outselling DS sales numbers, lifetime to date, much faster than DS, DS lite.

you could be right, but theirs one difference. no new games for PSP Go, new games for DSi (and they were high profile games for DSiware Mario vs DK, DrMario, WarioWare, DragonQuest Wars this summer)

yea, i kinda still see a new ninty handheld in 2011, but i would honestly see that even if they said the DSi was a new handheld already, coz thats how nintendo does it. they release a new handheld every 3 years.

lets just hope in 2011 whatever handheld comes out that it isn't 10 years behind tech-wise