Developer Gimmicks: wii's current downfall

A thought that's been on my mind since I got my wii a little after launch day, born from twilight princess, and cemented in by a dual rentals of sonic: secret of the rings and SSXblur

the real problem with the wii is the controller

yes, I know...the controller is also the systems greatest strength, and I dont need to elaborate why, but the thing that's ruining the wii in this stage of it's life is it's controller.

Developers are in the middle of some controlgasm when developping for the wii, convinced that everything you do need to be motion-centric, and making HUGE sacrifices in the game for it. Jerking my wrist around to swing my sword in zelda is hardly nescsarry, and very tireing without adding any extra depth, but worse still, SSXblur is completly destroyed by the motion based trick system.

The DS suffered a similar fate at launch and in the year following, and both the wii and the DS have some diamonds really using the new controls well, but it'll take a while before developers settle into the fact that the wii is a game system, not some fad-driven toy, and start making games that revolve around solid gameplay, with the intuitive additions of the remote enhancing a solid product, rather than providing gimmick.

I reckon it'll take about a year, and we'll be treated to a couple of gem titles along the way. We've already got trauma center and warioware, and hopefully SMgalaxy and other titles to follow will keep the system afloat while the developers try their hardest to drown the system in their lust for a gimmick driven quick buck.

any thoughts?

maybe, but since its just some thoughts on the wii itself, I figured Id stick it here *thoughts* yeah, your rightfelbunny

Yeah but in the Wii forums any hint of "Downfall" or basically anything bad stated about the Wii in a topic will usually belong in the System Wars. 

[QUOTE="felbunny"]maybe, but since its just some thoughts on the wii itself, I figured Id stick it here *thoughts* yeah, your rightDuckman5

Yeah but in the Wii forums any hint of "Downfall" or basically anything bad stated about the Wii in a topic will usually belong in the System Wars. 

The developers need to put out more complete games. Right now Zelda is the only one that isn't some sort of mini game extravaganza and has an actual unfolding story. Meanwhile mediocre games like the GodFather are seen as the second coming of Jesus because there's nothing else coming out worthwhile except Super Paper Mario, and even that hardly pushes the boundaries of what the Wii is capable.TheLordMagnus

1. The Godfather is a great game. Have you played it? It proves that the Wii CAN be used for some Hardcore games. I know The Godfather isn't exactly "Hardcore" but it proves the concept. I actually improves the gamplay very nicely.

2. I find what you posted offensive because some of us have religions and would appreciate it if people like you did not think of us or what we believe in and take it lightly and post it in these forums.  

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[QUOTE="felbunny"]maybe, but since its just some thoughts on the wii itself, I figured Id stick it here *thoughts* yeah, your rightStaccat0

Yeah but in the Wii forums any hint of "Downfall" or basically anything bad stated about the Wii in a topic will usually belong in the System Wars.

That is exactly what the mods told me when I posted something similar to this a while back. It doesn't make much sense but it does get old having these topics in the Wii forums over and over again. 

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[QUOTE="TheLordMagnus"]The developers need to put out more complete games. Right now Zelda is the only one that isn't some sort of mini game extravaganza and has an actual unfolding story. Meanwhile mediocre games like the GodFather are seen as the second coming of Jesus because there's nothing else coming out worthwhile except Super Paper Mario, and even that hardly pushes the boundaries of what the Wii is capable.TheLordMagnus

1. The Godfather is a great game. Have you played it? It proves that the Wii CAN be used for some Hardcore games. I know The Godfather isn't exactly "Hardcore" but it proves the concept. I actually improves the gamplay very nicely.

2. I find what you posted offensive because some of us have religions and would appreciate it if people like you did not think of us or what we believe in and take it lightly and post it in these forums.

The Godfather is a great game. Have you played it? It proves that the Wii CAN be used for some Hardcore games. I know The Godfather isn't exactly "Hardcore" but it proves the concept. I actually improves the gamplay very nicelyDuckman5

I'd say you're pretty much right. I hate to fall into the standard Wii fan defense of "look at the DS", but it rings true. Developers still aren't used to this kind of thing, so it shocked them again. We'll still have crappy ports in a year, but we'll also have quality titles.

I disagree, while devs having fully tapped into what the controller can do, its to be expected they cant just have something new handed to them and know exactly what to do. Also all games should be striving to incorporate as much motion into games, thats what the Wii is about, if you cant physically handle it well thats your problem not the devs. Not putting motion controls in is like making a PS3 game that doesnt support HD, your going completely against what the system is intended to do. Also I really despise the fans who shoot down a game simply because its a port, you are worst than those pathetic people signing a petition to keep Devil May Cry 4 a PS3 exclusive.Sepewrath

People don't hate games because they're ports, they hate them because they're shoddy ports with tacked-on controls to make a quick bit of cash.

For example, Dragon Ball Z: Budokai Tenkaichi 2 is technically a port of sorts. However it controls excellently. The Godfather is also a port, but it has received good reviews.

Games like Farcry that are just terrible are the reason why ports get a bad rep. 

[QUOTE="Duckman5"] The Godfather is a great game. Have you played it? It proves that the Wii CAN be used for some Hardcore games. I know The Godfather isn't exactly "Hardcore" but it proves the concept. I actually improves the gamplay very nicelyfelbunny

Yes they're good. You use them for like special executions and for like strangling people or snapping their neck or even just beating them up senselesslly. It's great. 

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[QUOTE="felbunny"]maybe, but since its just some thoughts on the wii itself, I figured Id stick it here *thoughts* yeah, your rightStaccat0

Yeah but in the Wii forums any hint of "Downfall" or basically anything bad stated about the Wii in a topic will usually belong in the System Wars.

I disagree, while devs having fully tapped into what the controller can do, its to be expected they cant just have something new handed to them and know exactly what to do. Also all games should be striving to incorporate as much motion into games, thats what the Wii is about, if you cant physically handle it well thats your problem not the devs. Not putting motion controls in is like making a PS3 game that doesnt support HD, your going completely against what the system is intended to do. Also I really despise the fans who shoot down a game simply because its a port, you are worst than those pathetic people signing a petition to keep Devil May Cry 4 a PS3 exclusive.Sepewrath