Devs Must Be Clueless

Okay as many people know Wii has had a serious drought of games that are the complete package latey. In many ways it seems that developers are just omitting or changing stuff for no reason otehr than sheer stupidity, than when they discover that their games don't sell they blame it on the audience rather than themselves.

1) Madworld okay I know this is a good game but when there is only 5-6 hours gameplay the dollar to value ratio is very poor. This was a deal breaker for me at least. Everything else was perfectly in place but again another glaring weakness.

2) Deadspace Extraction. I'm not here to debate whether or not on-rails is an inferior genre but rather why they didn't choose to go with a third person shooter; it would of been the most logical choice and would of gone over much better and not gotten a huge amount of backlash.

3) 007 Quantum of Solace. To be honest this game had me drooling when I saw what it all included; great campaign, split screen multiplayer, online multiplayer, Wii Speak appeared to be the only thing missing. When the game was released though Wii owners were left with an unfinished beta product with a choppy framerate and horribly inconsistant graphics (some resembling early GC late N64).

4) Call of Duty W@W also had it's issues. A strip down multiplayer in every sense of the word. No split screen (sorry that on rails thing for player 2 has got to be the cheapest and lamest way out ever) and a strip down online mode.

5) Pro Evolution Soccer 2009. The game itself is solid but when it's released months after it's couterparts people loss interest, the hype dies down, and I'd seriously question if most even knew the game was released in the first place judging by this years sales.

6) No More Heroes had many issues that made it fall flat on it's face, at least for me anyway. First of all the game had a choppy framerate, horrible animations, horrible textures, tons of jaggies (my worst looking Wii game, blurry and unplayable on an HDTV), sloppy controls, and very little replay value. The premise and idea was there but again felt like a rushed beta product.

7) Red Steel 2..... honestly what was Ubisoft even thinking?! No split screen multiplayer, no online multiplayer even?! Whats the deal!? Wii needs a FPS game that includes both split screen and online multiplayer as bad as Operah needs a dietition. Abother massive dissapointment to add to the list.

I'm sorry but I'm honestly dumbstruck at how incompitent devs are and can't beleive how that they keep making one poor choice after another.

CoD WaW on Wii sold 1 million copies and though I don't have it, I heard from people who do, that they enjoy online play.

Their approach has been disasterous, they stalled, they havefailed to commit significent resources into the gamesand are now paying the consequence. Gamers are still here but plenty could have been driven off by all the poor efforts and hopelessly unappealingcrap that's been released.

CoD WaW on Wii sold 1 million copies and though I don't have it, I heard from people who do, that they enjoy online play.

MangaPicture

I actually had a really good time playing CoD:WaW online, so other than that part, I completely agree with the TC

Okay as many people know Wii has had a serious drought of games that are the complete package latey. In many ways it seems that developers are just omitting or changing stuff for no reason otehr than sheer stupidity, than when they discover that their games don't sell they blame it on the audience rather than themselves.

1) Madworld okay I know this is a good game but when there is only 5-6 hours gameplay the dollar to value ratio is very poor. This was a deal breaker for me at least. Everything else was perfectly in place but again another glaring weakness.

2) Deadspace Extraction. I'm not here to debate whether or not on-rails is an inferior genre but rather why they didn't choose to go with a third person shooter; it would of been the most logical choice and would of gone over much better and not gotten a huge amount of backlash.

3) 007 Quantum of Solace. To be honest this game had me drooling when I saw what it all included; great campaign, split screen multiplayer, online multiplayer, Wii Speak appeared to be the only thing missing. When the game was released though Wii owners were left with an unfinished beta product with a choppy framerate and horribly inconsistant graphics (some resembling early GC late N64).

4) Call of Duty W@W also had it's issues. A strip down multiplayer in every sense of the word. No split screen (sorry that on rails thing for player 2 has got to be the cheapest and lamest way out ever) and a strip down online mode.

5) Pro Evolution Soccer 2009. The game itself is solid but when it's released months after it's couterparts people loss interest, the hype dies down, and I'd seriously question if most even knew the game was released in the first place judging by this years sales.

6) No More Heroes had many issues that made it fall flat on it's face, at least for me anyway. First of all the game had a choppy framerate, horrible animations, horrible textures, tons of jaggies (my worst looking Wii game, blurry and unplayable on an HDTV), sloppy controls, and very little replay value. The premise and idea was there but again felt like a rushed beta product.

7) Red Steel 2..... honestly what was Ubisoft even thinking?! No split screen multiplayer, no online multiplayer even?! Whats the deal!? Wii needs a FPS game that includes both split screen and online multiplayer as bad as Operah needs a dietition. Abother massive dissapointment to add to the list.

I'm sorry but I'm honestly dumbstruck at how incompitent devs are and can't beleive how that they keep making one poor choice after another.

umcommon

I loved No more heroes, I loved the combat, the characters,and the story plus I thought it looked good, interesting at least, although I only played it on an SDTV. The rest I do agree with you, and madworld was more like 3 hours long for me but it does have lots of replay value.

yes stike but when you are shown with a good third party game that everyone and the critics say its good, lets say, little kings story(just picking a name ,here could be Punch Out! or Conduit, Tenchu, Deadly creatures, anything rated 8++), you will say its not your type, or simply is bad in your opinion DESPISE the critics/players. So you want a game 3rd party game specially handcrafted for you, and i think you should call developers and say hey i want this...intro94

See what you don't understand is I have already played Tenchu games the Wii one is not as good as the old ones, Punch out is simple as is Deadly Creatures and Conduit ain't out yet and as for little Kings story its already out here.

Apart from that most of the games you mentioned are short to the point where I would complete them in one day and regret buying them.

What I want is a decent third party game, you seem to think thats just my opinion well it isn't many others have the same view , I don't expect them to handcraft a game especially for me I just want a decent third party game that offers some sense of a challenge that I won't complete in a day...and so far they haven't made one on Wii yet. Actually they did RESI 4 but I clocked that and that was released ages ago.

1:Madworld was critiziced for having 5 hours ratio in normal mode(which is easy mode) not counting deads(that means every hour you played but died is not counted NOR cutscenes). Dead Rising for 360 had 6 hours max gameplay(you had to beat the game under 6 hours, it was mandatory, and it was including deaths).Why wii owners are crybabies about that and 360 owners not?This is trying to find any random reason to bash. 2.The wii graphical capabilities would have shown an unimpressive Dead Space.Unfortunately the game developers know that DS is a Graphics whore so it cant afford to have any kind of downgraded visuals.To match its predecesor it had to be on rails. 3.Yet the wii version sold the same than the ps3 versions and 360.Is not the wiis fault that the game isnt really very good.It was mutliplat, not with wii in mind and its NOT a very good game on any console.Why the wii version had to have extra features? 4.The developers said Wii cant run WAW COD4 engine in split mulitplayer.You want quality fps visuals ,you gotta settle. Conduit developers said the same.Less features are unexcusable, but they had the decency to retain the core game which is the most important. 5.Pro evolution 2009 was not a watered down port, they had to work also harder on the controls, they had to take extra time and i cant blame them for that.Their issue was lack for advertising for wii version. 6: With HD cables NMH looks fine, character textures are fine, the controls really are not an issue for 90% of players(dunno why are you picking the control card here, is something that avoids me).There is enough replay value to challenge yourself in hard mode at least once. Rushed it was, yet still AAA quality here.No game is perfect, on that regard, EVERY game in the world has flaws.Theres no perfect game. 7. Red steel 2...Ubisoft is one of the most retarded developers on earth. I was never hyped for the first because i knew ubisoft is stupid. But even they can manage to create something fun, so i have to wait till RS 2 actually is released to see if maybe theres a quality title. And there are much better games out there already or coming out.so i feel this post is kinda weak.Naming some random games, trying to make up or name their flaws and cry on developers?as random as it gets.intro94

1. Considering games are pretty expensive, it is a very legitimate complaint that they are that short. Maybe 360 owners should be complaining too.

2. I personally don't like on rails shooters that much, but that certainly doesn't mean that it was a bad choice to go that direction.

4.The developers could have created an separate engine and actually had split screen multiplayer, but they clearly didn't think it was worth the time or money. I mean we had pretty good looking FPS with split screen multiplayer on the GC (timesplitters comes to mind) so we know its possible for the wii.

none of the released games you mentioned were bad , and mentioning a unreleased title is a bad decision on your part

wii needs a variety of titles in a variety of generes to do what it is doing now

just think of ps2 ps1 nes snes had they had a wall of fps with little of anything else do you actually think they would have succeeded,

if so look at n64 -that had a wall of fpses ,,, besides nintendo titles

i respect your opinion but thats what happens when you compare wii versions to 360s versions , ,

you should have knwon wii wasnt able to have 360 like visuals,

from day one its sad people still complain this subject has been solved 10000 x before

so has third party support wii has awsome third party support just because you or any one does not like what they put out , -quantum dead rising dead space red steel moh cod no more heroes etc

doesnt mean they aint giving their effort

go get a 360 or ps3 if you think that will be any better

because quite frankly i dont want a wall of fpses that ps3 360 seam to be plagued with, this is why i own all 6 (psp dsi dslite ps3 wii 360) because if i want somthing on one another i can get it i have no need to complain

further more , i knew owning 1 console would be a bad decision , wii is the 2ndary platform it only makes sense

this thread falled flat on its face simply because you compared every wii game to a 360 game and then you also complained about a unfinished title

none of the released games you mentioned were bad , and mentioning a unreleased title is a bad decision on your part mariokart64fan

[QUOTE="stike22"]And you think that everyone likes punch out? seriously we all have different tastes you seem to like games that can be completed within 5mins and I don't especially when they are ridiculously simple and there are enough games like that on Wii already. If that pleases you then good for you but for someone who doesn't care to waste money on a short game they could complete in 5mins I would like some decent third party games as would as lot of people as I said if your happy thats good for you but for me and many other fans we have gone a long time wthout a proper third party game. Rails shooters are cheap and easy thats why they aren't a very impressive genre, whats the point of playing a game if it offers no challenge? for you they may be challenging but for me who has pretty much clocked most of the old ones they are just the same boring thing with only one difference, the Wii remote...which doesn't make one bit of difference I already have guns for my Xbox and dreamcast and PS2, Wii remote isn't gonna be much better then them. intro94

Yes but thats you, if I bought Punch out it the most it would last is a week because its not my type of game for meits not highly replayable its just downright simple, RE4 isn't exactly what I would call the best third party either but at least it offered me a challenge these easy games won't do that for me so not interested. Its not like its the only third party game I tried but it was probably the most challenging.

You mentioned Arc Rise I wanted that game it would have been the first decent RPG for Wii but thats isn't coming to EU and before you start coming up with RPGs I live in EU there are no good RPG games for the Wii here unless you count Alien Syndrome and Baroque which are both crap. Silent Hill ain't coming out for ages and again I have already played all of the ones before but I am interested in getting that...but it still ain't out.

Tenchu as I said played the old ones and liked them better, Broken Sword I already played it on PC and its a point and click....seriously it doesn't get any cheaper then that point and clicks either belong on PC or DS.

You don't seem to understand is I have all consoles and I have either already played the games or they are short and too easy I am not interested in a game like that. I would like a good third party Wii game and there just aren't any out there yet which I haven't already completed.

Wario Shake again I played all Wario games before that...you see I either played em or they are too easy. Seriously the Wii hasn't got that many good third party games and if you think it does well thats your standard and a lot of gamers agree with you but a lot of gamers also agree with me, this is why I'm waiting for E3 to show me some decent third party games.

I guess they're keeping up the awful, awful games because it's still selling so well (why, I will never know). Not much is expected of the wii- it is the cheapest system after all, but I really feel the games they release are even below THAT standard. The "cartoon" graphic games especially are killing me. And waaaay to many games that seem like it's been stripped down to nothing but a mini-game that you'd find in Mario Party.

I hope as the other consoles get cheaper, they'll start to step things up a little to compete.

Oh sorry I must have missed your part about you got PC andthe rest,but seriously of all games I wanted Arc Rise and it just happens to be the one that doesn't come to EU, Fire Emblem yeh got that feel to replay it again sometime soon and yeh see what E3 brings.

some other clueless devs could give Wii decent ports of these games

Soul Caliber Broken Destiny, Tekken 6, Final Fantasy Dissdia, Tales of VS, Tales of Radiant Mythology, Kingdom Hearts Birth BY Sleep, Army of Two the 40th day, Age of Booty, Rainbow Six Vegas, etc. so many PSP, PS2 ports that could at least add quality to Wii's library, help its sales, but no

they've got to make alot of those games for a platform who is supposedly stealing more copies of a recent big release than buying

Th devs are clueless. They don't really know what works on the wii and what doesn't. Part of the problem is the internet fanbase as well, you people don't even know what you want, so much complaining, like everything should be perfect to even consider buying games. Devs need to use AAA teams for there wii games if they want sales and they needed to have started years ago. Its getting too late now but hey, not really any of our problems if devs like closing down and losing money.

Th devs are clueless. They don't really know what works on the wii and what doesn't. Part of the problem is the internet fanbase as well, you people don't even know what you want, so much complaining, like everything should be perfect to even consider buying games. Devs need to use AAA teams for there wii games if they want sales and they needed to have started years ago. Its getting too late now but hey, not really any of our problems if devs like closing down and losing money.

ActicEdge

By far the best point made in this thread. Developers working on the majority of Wii titles today still don't understand the userbase that the system has. Either they insist on making "Me too" versions of Nintendo's games or they try making Xbox 360 and PS3 titles for the Wii. What third party developers should be doing is looking for ways to fill in the gaps left in by Nintendo and the games it doesn't typically make, while still being titles that resonate with the owners. Only a handful of games have done that so far, and it only looks like a handful more will do it later. While everyone is so concerned about making "hardcore" and "casual" games, the focus should be on making quality and real Wii games. It's a bummer because I believed that the Wii would encourage developers to really come up with some engaging titles, but it's been everything but that for the most part thus far.

[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

Th devs are clueless. They don't really know what works on the wii and what doesn't. Part of the problem is the internet fanbase as well, you people don't even know what you want, so much complaining, like everything should be perfect to even consider buying games. Devs need to use AAA teams for there wii games if they want sales and they needed to have started years ago. Its getting too late now but hey, not really any of our problems if devs like closing down and losing money.

By far the best point made in this thread. Developers working on the majority of Wii titles today still don't understand the userbase that the system has. Either they insist on making "Me too" versions of Nintendo's games or they try making Xbox 360 and PS3 titles for the Wii. What third party developers should be doing is looking for ways to fill in the gaps left in by Nintendo and the games it doesn't typically make, while still being titles that resonate with the owners. Only a handful of games have done that so far, and it only looks like a handful more will do it later. While everyone is so concerned about making "hardcore" and "casual" games, the focus should be on making quality and real Wii games. It's a bummer because I believe that the Wii would encourage developers to really come up with some engaging titles, but it's been everything but that for the most part thus far.

[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

Th devs are clueless. They don't really know what works on the wii and what doesn't. Part of the problem is the internet fanbase as well, you people don't even know what you want, so much complaining, like everything should be perfect to even consider buying games. Devs need to use AAA teams for there wii games if they want sales and they needed to have started years ago. Its getting too late now but hey, not really any of our problems if devs like closing down and losing money.

Madmangamer364

By far the best point made in this thread. Developers working on the majority of Wii titles today still don't understand the userbase that the system has. Either they insist on making "Me too" versions of Nintendo's games or they try making Xbox 360 and PS3 titles for the Wii. What third party developers should be doing is looking for ways to fill in the gaps left in by Nintendo and the games it doesn't typically make, while still being titles that resonate with the owners. Only a handful of games have done that so far, and it only looks like a handful more will do it later. While everyone is so concerned about making "hardcore" and "casual" games, the focus should be on making quality and real Wii games. It's a bummer because I believed that the Wii would encourage developers to really come up with some engaging titles, but it's been everything but that for the most part thus far.

Exactly and even more than that, its not about filling in what nintendo hasn't its about making those games competitive against any other game and for a multitude of people to enjoy. Games like Madworld and House of the Dead are great, but they are not for the majority of people and thus you aren't going to get massive sales out of them. Its not about being casual or hardcore like devs think, its about being competitive, appealing and of high quality. I am still in awe as to why some devs release what they do on the wii, so much potential being wasted when the consoles first original RTS is going to be a wii ware title 3 years down the line.

they were complete packages ,

[QUOTE="Madmangamer364"]

[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

Th devs are clueless. They don't really know what works on the wii and what doesn't. Part of the problem is the internet fanbase as well, you people don't even know what you want, so much complaining, like everything should be perfect to even consider buying games. Devs need to use AAA teams for there wii games if they want sales and they needed to have started years ago. Its getting too late now but hey, not really any of our problems if devs like closing down and losing money.

ActicEdge

By far the best point made in this thread. Developers working on the majority of Wii titles today still don't understand the userbase that the system has. Either they insist on making "Me too" versions of Nintendo's games or they try making Xbox 360 and PS3 titles for the Wii. What third party developers should be doing is looking for ways to fill in the gaps left in by Nintendo and the games it doesn't typically make, while still being titles that resonate with the owners. Only a handful of games have done that so far, and it only looks like a handful more will do it later. While everyone is so concerned about making "hardcore" and "casual" games, the focus should be on making quality and real Wii games. It's a bummer because I believed that the Wii would encourage developers to really come up with some engaging titles, but it's been everything but that for the most part thus far.

Exactly and even more than that, its not about filling in what nintendo hasn't its about making those games competitive against any other game and for a multitude of people to enjoy. Games like Madworld and House of the Dead are great, but they are not for the majority of people and thus you aren't going to get massive sales out of them. Its not about being casual or hardcore like devs think, its about being competitive, appealing and of high quality. I am still in awe as to why some devs release what they do on the wii, so much potential being wasted when the consoles first original RTS is going to be a wii ware title 3 years down the line.

Bingo! I agree wholeheartedly. You, my friend, have officially won this thread in my book. It just saddens me when I see a system that has a lot of potential and has already shown that it can provide some great games be so misunderstood by developers and even by some gamers that have actually purchased the system. I believe that the entire Wii developing mentality has to make some significant changes still in the near future in order for the system to evolve into what it could and probably should be. One can only hope that some of the things you've pointed out in this thread comes to pass.

4) Call of Duty W@W also had it's issues. A strip down multiplayer in every sense of the word. No split screen (sorry that on rails thing for player 2 has got to be the cheapest and lamest way out ever) and a strip down online mode.

5) Pro Evolution Soccer 2009. The game itself is solid but when it's released months after it's couterparts people loss interest, the hype dies down, and I'd seriously question if most even knew the game was released in the first place judging by this years sales.

6) No More Heroes had many issues that made it fall flat on it's face, at least for me anyway. First of all the game had a choppy framerate, horrible animations, horrible textures, tons of jaggies (my worst looking Wii game, blurry and unplayable on an HDTV), sloppy controls, and very little replay value. The premise and idea was there but again felt like a rushed beta product.

umcommon

WTF??!?!?! i love the call of duty multiplayer, and i believe many do. I will not say that PES09 didnt lost hype, but im a soccer fan, and i did not lost any hype, it is a good game; its not relevant, at my point of view, when it was released, because, it is an awesome game. Finally, No more heroes... u said it is a rushed beta product?? well that does not explain the many good reviews the ppl worte on this, the next sequel that suda51 is going to make and why i loved playing this game.

I agree 100% with the author. My Wii has been collecting dust since Mario Galaxy. I'm not sure if devs are just clueless or they're not taking the system serious. It's seems like they're just trying to cash in for a quick $$$. I could care less about resident evil on rails or other rail games. To me as an adult madworld just looks like a game trying to cash in on being voilent.

1) Madworld okay I know this is a good game but when there is only 5-6 hours gameplay the dollar to value ratio is very poor. This was a deal breaker for me at least. Everything else was perfectly in place but again another glaring weakness.

7) Red Steel 2..... honestly what was Ubisoft even thinking?! No split screen multiplayer, no online multiplayer even?! Whats the deal!? Wii needs a FPS game that includes both split screen and online multiplayer as bad as Operah needs a dietition. Abother massive dissapointment to add to the list.

I'm sorry but I'm honestly dumbstruck at how incompitent devs are and can't beleive how that they keep making one poor choice after another.