Did Brawl hurt the wii in the end?

Ive noticed an overwhelming amount of players pointing out , as one of nintendos console undercomings, the online factor.To be more specific, that wii has lag in online matches. This struck me as I know wii is not laggier than any other system, in any case(playing constantly online myself). But is then when i realize their online experience is limited to one game, Brawl. Brawl big sales and poor, terrible online service, has caused a bad impression on many of the millions of players who tried it. To the point of neglect and ignore any other game with the online function alltogether. Is easy to see people without much gaming experience or at worse, web researching on the subject, shunning the console alltogether, in fact, rather not buying a better wii version scared of its online service compared to the competition(as in soccer games). EA games for instance, request no fcs, and have the same lagless experience in lots of its games, across all platforms. So the fear caused by a Nintendo game, draws sales from others, for no true reason. Only 2 games are reported as truly laggy and miserably netcoded, Brawl and Tenkaichi 3.

While dozens of other games, Like strikers2, Castlevania judgment, Fifa 09, Battalion wars, Mario Kart , Excitebots, Call of Duty WAW, Medal of Honor 2, Quantum of Solace, etc, show flawless and competent online connections, proving that the wii has no problem lagwise, the impression of Brawl has daunted many. I still am puzzled as why did this happen, given that other fighting games(for 4 players at the same time), over Nintendos service( namely the Bleach games) have so fewer issues lagwise,and how Nintendo was the only one besides Atari to really produce something so counterproductive.

What i want to know, if you agree that Brawl did cause a bad impression regarding Nintendos internet services, and how serious the damage done was.

No I don't think Brawls shoddy online hurt the Wii as much as you believe. I think its unfortunate that a cornerstone game that should have been phenomenal online wasn't hurts peoples' opinions, but seeing as its 1 of many online enabled games, this doesn't affect everyone and thus doesn't hurt the majority of the people who play it.

This being said, Nintendo still hasn't offered or explained why Brawl online is so horrendous. This is infuriating to me personally because I put so much faith into Nintendo to put out an all-around excellent package with their games, and Brawl delivered on every aspect except one glaring spot. This needs to not happen again or it WILL have more of a negative effect on people.

Nintendo isn't the best when it comes to online. This is common knowledge, but they do offer it for free. Now if I was paying for the right to play the game online, my opinion would be completely different. But as it stands, the game as whole is great. Not perfect, but still a lot of fun.

You guys are completely missing the point. Its not that the Wii cant handle online. Its just that the Big N doesnt care about the online. They have always had their own idea of what they want gaming to be. no matter what their customers want they stick by what they think we should have. they have always been this way. from putting a backlight on the gameboy to saying no to cd based games to saying no to harddrive to friend codes. i always stick by them to play the next mario zelda and metriod. i have gotten to the point of saying to hell with nintendo.

So I would say no, peoples problem with the online is not lag, its the friend code system.Sepewrath

[QUOTE="Sepewrath"]So I would say no, peoples problem with the online is not lag, its the friend code system.LordQuorthon

[QUOTE="Sepewrath"]So I would say no, peoples problem with the online is not lag, its the friend code system.LordQuorthon

half the point of on-line is like social interaction . not just playing basically what might as well be "Bots" if there is no communication

Nah

Naaaah, I don't think Brawl's online did any damage to the Wii at all, considering all the inane hype behind Brawl and all the people that went out and bought Brawl probably negates any of the "damage" Brawl's bad online has done to the Wii, if any.

[QUOTE="LordQuorthon"][QUOTE="Sepewrath"]So I would say no, peoples problem with the online is not lag, its the friend code system.Jdog30

half the point of on-line is like social interaction . not just playing basically what might as well be "Bots" if there is no communication

Smash bros online isn't that bad. I just played a few matches last night that started instantly and had no lag at all. The ocassional problem is that the game doesn't bother checking if everyone in the match has a good connection like many online games do. It just randomly throws together oponents and if even one of them is really far away or has crappy internet it ruins it for everyone. It was a stupid choice but its not technically the Wii's fault.

Not really, though Nintendo really should of fix the online bug, but if you can over look it's online flaw it's still an excellent game & art. The real problem is how some can get icky picky.

You guys are completely missing the point. Its not that the Wii cant handle online. Its just that the Big N doesnt care about the online. They have always had their own idea of what they want gaming to be. no matter what their customers want they stick by what they think we should have.railroberto2007

As far as online specifically, Nintendo's goal is to get every Wii connected to the internet. This is especially evident in Japan, where they have a special service to help anyone set up the Wii, and they also brag about their online numbers whenever possible. In all honesty, I think this is because if more consoles are online, there will be more purchases from the Shop Channel. But I think Mario Kart Wii also proved to them first-hand that good online functionality in games can boost sales.

Maybe Nintendo didn't care about online before, but they do now.

[QUOTE="railroberto2007"]You guys are completely missing the point. Its not that the Wii cant handle online. Its just that the Big N doesnt care about the online. They have always had their own idea of what they want gaming to be. no matter what their customers want they stick by what they think we should have.JordanElek

As far as online specifically, Nintendo's goal is to get every Wii connected to the internet. This is especially evident in Japan, where they have a special service to help anyone set up the Wii, and they also brag about their online numbers whenever possible. In all honesty, I think this is because if more consoles are online, there will be more purchases from the Shop Channel. But I think Mario Kart Wii also proved to them first-hand that good online functionality in games can boost sales.

Maybe Nintendo didn't care about online before, but they do now.

And maybe you should have quoted my full post.

[QUOTE="JordanElek"]

[QUOTE="railroberto2007"]You guys are completely missing the point. Its not that the Wii cant handle online. Its just that the Big N doesnt care about the online. They have always had their own idea of what they want gaming to be. no matter what their customers want they stick by what they think we should have.railroberto2007

As far as online specifically, Nintendo's goal is to get every Wii connected to the internet. This is especially evident in Japan, where they have a special service to help anyone set up the Wii, and they also brag about their online numbers whenever possible. In all honesty, I think this is because if more consoles are online, there will be more purchases from the Shop Channel. But I think Mario Kart Wii also proved to them first-hand that good online functionality in games can boost sales.

Maybe Nintendo didn't care about online before, but they do now.

And maybe you should have quoted my full post.

not really because the brawl was a learning experiance for nintendo to see what works and what dosen't. Just look how it helped Mario Kart

not really because the brawl was a learning experiance for nintendo to see what works and what dosen't. Just look how it helped Mario Kart

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This. I find that the SSB series itself is going in a constant two-game cycle. First we had SSB64. Did well (a lot better than expected), but not exactly one of the central N64 games. Then came Melee. People went (and are still going) crazy for that game. It was very highly praised.

When the Wii came out, it gave Nintendo an oppurtunity to go into completely new territory with a third SSB. The online possibilities were endless. However, a lot of people still take Melee over Brawl. Brawl is a great game, but it seems that, like it's counterpart SSB64, there was a lot to it that was criticized: a lack of "advanced tactics" and slow online, for instance.

You see, Melee was the second game in the first cycle. Nintendo observed how SSB64 did, and focused on building on that game. The result was Melee. Because so much time had passed after Melee, Brawl was the next experiment. A whole bunch of new ideas were put together. Instead of building on completely from Melee, Brawl got a whole wack of new features. It became the first game in the second cycle.There were good ideas, but they were kind of...raw, i guess. Don't get me wrong; I love all of the SSB games, right down to the original. It just seems that history's repeating itself. SSB64 was criticized; so was Brawl. I, for one, am very hopeful for SSB4. It could be the next Melee, Brawl-style.I'd like that.:) Of course, that leaves concern for SSB5. :(

Back to the topic of online...I find it completely overrated. Honestly, how desperate does someone have to be that they must rely completely on online? Can't you just invite someone over and play with them physically? I like how nintendo(and especially Brawl) doesn't put all of their effort into online. It doesn't force me to play multiplayer with someone miles away.