Do we know if Pokemon Soul Silver / Heart Gold is going to have DSi benefits?

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#1 rubber-chicken
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I know it will playable on the original DS and DS Lite, but is does anyone know if it's going to have any features that you can only use the DSi for?

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#2 Redonkulous_D
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I don't think anything's been said on the matter...

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#3 Hegna1
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They better not... Well actually, as long as it's not competitive benefits, I'm fine. I really don't want to have to buy a DSi though, so I'd rather this game (and others) not have DSi bonuses. I bet at least one of the games I'm anticipating will though.
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#4 Kiki250
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I think it'll be the same for DS and DSi, but later Pokemon might have games with more access if you have the DSi

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They better not... Well actually, as long as it's not competitive benefits, I'm fine. I really don't want to have to buy a DSi though, so I'd rather this game (and others) not have DSi bonuses. I bet at least one of the games I'm anticipating will though.Hegna1

Ohh ok so just because you don't want DSi features the rest of us DSi owners shouldn't get them?

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#6 Kcdragon8116
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DS users shouldn't be penalized for buying the system at launch, or when the redesigned Lite came out. I am happy with my phat DS and I do not want to upgrade until I absolutly have to, which means when my DS stops working. I do not want to miss out on content for games just because I have an older version of the system. If anything, they should upgrade all of us phat DS owners to DSi's just because they have redesigned the console twice since release.
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#7 Redonkulous_D
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DS users shouldn't be penalized for buying the system at launch, or when the redesigned Lite came out. I am happy with my phat DS and I do not want to upgrade until I absolutly have to, which means when my DS stops working. I do not want to miss out on content for games just because I have an older version of the system. If anything, they should upgrade all of us phat DS owners to DSi's just because they have redesigned the console twice since release. Kcdragon8116

Nintendo should be punished for fixing problems that users had with their hardware? That makes sense...

The extra content is a "Thank You" for upgrading. Why would they spend millions trying to get it to the ones who didn't?

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#8 meiaman
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Centuries of DS board experience tell me how this topic will end. :|

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[QUOTE="Hegna1"]They better not... Well actually, as long as it's not competitive benefits, I'm fine. I really don't want to have to buy a DSi though, so I'd rather this game (and others) not have DSi bonuses. I bet at least one of the games I'm anticipating will though.ACL0V3R

Ohh ok so just because you don't want DSi features the rest of us DSi owners shouldn't get them?

I obviously want what benefits me the most, which DSi features don't. They're probably going to be there anyway, in quite a few games.

Also note that I said I really don't care as long as they don't get competitive benefits later in the post.

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Either way, there will be pros and cons. It's gonna be a hard choice for Nintendo since they want unique gameplay but doesn't want others to be left out. If HG/SS will be DSi exclusive then there will be extra features but non-DSi owners will be missing out on those stuff and will be forced to buy a DSi if they want full potential in their games. If HG/SS doesn't become a DSi exclusive then everyone will have the same game, same features, etc. The only problem is that DS owners upgraded to the DSi for DSi exclusive games with unique features using the camera and stuff and won't be getting a lot of great dsi exclusive games games any time soon. Having HeartGold and SoulSilver as a DSi exclusive games can also bring up the sales of the DSi. Nintendo has to think REAL hard to satisfy everyone.

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#11 Redonkulous_D
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Either way, there will be pros and cons. It's gonna be a hard choice for Nintendo since they want unique gameplay but doesn't want others to be left out. If HG/SS will be DSi exclusive then there will be extra features but non-DSi owners will be missing out on those stuff and will be forced to buy a DSi if they want full potential in their games. If HG/SS doesn't become a DSi exclusive then everyone will have the same game, same features, etc. The only problem is that DS owners upgraded to the DSi for DSi exclusive games with unique features using the camera and stuff and won't be getting a lot of great dsi exclusive games games any time soon. Having HeartGold and SoulSilver as a DSi exclusive games can also bring up the sales of the DSi. Nintendo has to think REAL hard to satisfy everyone.

ANIMEguy10034

No one was talking about exclusives. Enhanced titles- a game that runs on the DS, but has more features when run on a DSi. I don't see what the problem with it is thought. DS owners still get the game, and DSi owners get rewarded for upgrading. Take not that Nintendo is not the only developer for the system. Other devs have the right to handle things however they please.

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#12 ANIMEguy10034
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[QUOTE="ANIMEguy10034"]

Either way, there will be pros and cons. It's gonna be a hard choice for Nintendo since they want unique gameplay but doesn't want others to be left out. If HG/SS will be DSi exclusive then there will be extra features but non-DSi owners will be missing out on those stuff and will be forced to buy a DSi if they want full potential in their games. If HG/SS doesn't become a DSi exclusive then everyone will have the same game, same features, etc. The only problem is that DS owners upgraded to the DSi for DSi exclusive games with unique features using the camera and stuff and won't be getting a lot of great dsi exclusive games games any time soon. Having HeartGold and SoulSilver as a DSi exclusive games can also bring up the sales of the DSi. Nintendo has to think REAL hard to satisfy everyone.

Redonkulous_D

No one was talking about exclusives. Enhanced titles- a game that runs on the DS, but has more features when run on a DSi. I don't see what the problem with it is thought. DS owners still get the game, and DSi owners get rewarded for upgrading. Take not that Nintendo is not the only developer for the system. Other devs have the right to handle things however they please.


Ooooh... oops....I thought we were talking about exclusives.... Sorry guys....it was my bad... :oops:

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#13 awssk8er716
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Hopefully, I doubt they will though.

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#14 Milkncooke
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Hopefully not, I doubt they will though.

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Fixed. I see no benefit in Pokemon having DSi only features.
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#15 Redonkulous_D
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[QUOTE="awssk8er716"]

Hopefully, I doubt they will though.

Milkncooke

Fixed. I see manybenefits in Pokemon having DSi only features.

Fix'd. It depends on what the features are.

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#16 sman3579
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Hope not, because Im not getting a DSi

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#17 Milkncooke
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[QUOTE="Milkncooke"][QUOTE="awssk8er716"]

Hopefully not, I doubt they will though.

Redonkulous_D

Fixed. I see no benefits in Pokemon having DSi only features.

Fixed. It doesn't depend on what the features are, because every pokemon game is practically the same, and pokemon has no features that would benefit from what the DSi offers that other DS's don't.

Fixed. I would explain how every Pokemon game is the same as the last and how Pokemon doesn't have any features that would benefit from the DSi, but you did the work for me.

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#18 Kiki250
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yeah, every Pokemon game is practically the same

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#19 Spade_Crisis
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Centuries of DS board experience tell me how this topic will end. :|

meiaman

Haha, agreed.:P Anyway, if they do have DSi benefits, then I would get a DSi only for that reason. I need money though. -.-

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#20 ACL0V3R
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yeah, every Pokemon game is practically the same

Kiki250

exactly

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#21 Taylor_B
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[QUOTE="Kiki250"]

yeah, every Pokemon game is practically the same

ACL0V3R

exactly

So? Maybe these games will be different from the usual. Just because something has been a certain way doesn't mean it will or should stay that way.
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#22 Yoweeh
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There's a chance they will, because they want money, but there's a chance they won't because they're lazy.

And people who say "Well, they shouldn't, I don't want to buy a DSi" aren't really making much sense.

It's not making you buy a DSi; it would be forcing you to consider.

So you'd just be missing out is all.

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#23 -PuLse
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I hope so.

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#24 Milkncooke
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[QUOTE="Yoweeh"]

There's a chance they will, because they want money, but there's a chance they won't because they're lazy.

And people who say "Well, they shouldn't, I don't want to buy a DSi" aren't really making much sense.

It's not making you buy a DSi; it would be forcing you to consider.

So you'd just be missing out is all.

"Well, they shouldn't, I don't want to buy a DSi" argument makes perfect sense. Those without DSi's shouldn't be punished for not having one, and making DSi specific features is doing just that. I shouldn't be forced to buy a DSi with my own money so that I can do everything in a game I purchased with my own money. Hopefully Nintendo never does this, but they already said they would, so hopefully they keep these DSi only features out of Pokemon at least.
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#25 Taylor_B
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[QUOTE="Milkncooke"][QUOTE="Yoweeh"]

There's a chance they will, because they want money, but there's a chance they won't because they're lazy.

And people who say "Well, they shouldn't, I don't want to buy a DSi" aren't really making much sense.

It's not making you buy a DSi; it would be forcing you to consider.

So you'd just be missing out is all.

"Well, they shouldn't, I don't want to buy a DSi" argument makes perfect sense. Those without DSi's shouldn't be punished for not having one, and making DSi specific features is doing just that. I shouldn't be forced to buy a DSi with my own money so that I can do everything in a game I purchased with my own money. Hopefully Nintendo never does this, but they already said they would, so hopefully they keep these DSi only features out of Pokemon at least.

Seriously? Those without a DSi aren't being punished. They still have Pokemon games in which they can get the full benefits on a phat or lite. Nintendo made a new product (the DSi), and they are damn well entitled to make products for it. No one is forcing you to buy the Pokemon game.
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[QUOTE="Taylor_B"][QUOTE="Milkncooke"][QUOTE="Yoweeh"]

There's a chance they will, because they want money, but there's a chance they won't because they're lazy.

And people who say "Well, they shouldn't, I don't want to buy a DSi" aren't really making much sense.

It's not making you buy a DSi; it would be forcing you to consider.

So you'd just be missing out is all.

"Well, they shouldn't, I don't want to buy a DSi" argument makes perfect sense. Those without DSi's shouldn't be punished for not having one, and making DSi specific features is doing just that. I shouldn't be forced to buy a DSi with my own money so that I can do everything in a game I purchased with my own money. Hopefully Nintendo never does this, but they already said they would, so hopefully they keep these DSi only features out of Pokemon at least.

Seriously? Those without a DSi aren't being punished. They still have Pokemon games in which they can get the full benefits on a phat or lite. Nintendo made a new product (the DSi), and they are damn well entitled to make products for it. No one is forcing you to buy the Pokemon game.

Touche. You're right, I can get the pokemon game, and there are pokemon games out currently that don't have DSi specific features, but that doesn't change anything. Consider the dsi features as the bonus material on a dvd movie. Now if I buy that movie I don't want to go home only to see that I can't access those features because I have the wrong DVD player. Sure, I can still watch the movie, but I didn't get my moneys worth because I can't access everything. This is my beef with DSi only features. If Nintendo releases two different versions of the game, one for DS phat/lite and one for DSi, the second being more expensive, then I would be content at the very least.
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[QUOTE="Milkncooke"] Touche. You're right, I can get the pokemon game, and there are pokemon games out currently that don't have DSi specific features, but that doesn't change anything. Consider the dsi features as the bonus material on a dvd movie. Now if I buy that movie I don't want to go home only to see that I can't access those features because I have the wrong DVD player. Sure, I can still watch the movie, but I didn't get my moneys worth because I can't access everything. This is my beef with DSi only features. If Nintendo releases two different versions of the game, one for DS phat/lite and one for DSi, the second being more expensive, then I would be content at the very least.

You will know up front if there are dsi-exclusive features. If you don't feel you'll be getting your money's worth, don't buy it. Same with a dvd.
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#28 donaldo1989
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meh there is no need to argue anyway since the DSi doesnt have enough new content in order to supply enough bonuses so that DSlite and phat users will feel tooleft out. Correct me if i'm wrong but the only things the DSi has is a bigger screen, camera and download content. Download content won't be an issue since we have mystery gift wifi for download needs. Bigger screen is a given. The only bonus I could imagine is the DSi having a minigame with the camera or something

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#30 Taylor_B
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yeh, its not like dsi well get some crazy features, its probably some lame minigames.

Oh yeh dsi users here, dont get all defensive, buying the new system doesnt mean you are special. Lmao

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If you're referring to me, I haven't bought a dsi and I don't plan on it. I just find it ridiculous that people are saying Nintendo "better not" give games extra stuff for the dsi.
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#31 Sword-Demon
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so DSi users wont be able to migrate from the GBA games, and DS phat/lite users wouldnt be able to get the new benefits...

it would be so much easier if they didnt make upgrades.

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#32 darth-pyschosis
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[QUOTE="Redonkulous_D"]

[QUOTE="Milkncooke"] Fixed. I see no benefits in Pokemon having DSi only features.Milkncooke

Fixed. It doesn't depend on what the features are, because every pokemon game is practically the same, and pokemon has no features that would benefit from what the DSi offers that other DS's don't.

Fixed. I would explain how every Pokemon game is the same as the last and how Pokemon doesn't have any features that would benefit from the DSi, but you did the work for me.

Fail. Downloadable Gyms and Downloadable Badges that are free that your friends send you. They draw the badge, they select Gym lay out, select the four trainers and gym master, and pick their pokemon, moves, lvls, and send it to you.

There. Benefit of the DSi, it has internal memory and expandable memory to keep these Gyms and Badges, therefore when you're playing online it shows you have X amount of user generated Badges.

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#33 darth-pyschosis
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so DSi users wont be able to migrate from the GBA games, and DS phat/lite users wouldnt be able to get the new benefits...

it would be so much easier if they didnt make upgrades.

Sword-Demon

so it'd be better if they never fixed problems with their console? No point in expanding upon the platform by adding a new way for smaller devs to get their games on to it avoiding retail costs (DSiware) just because fanboys will be upset that a slot was removed from it that support a few periphels and games from 2001-2004, and its the year 2009?

In a time where portable devices can't just be stand alone cameras, Game consoles, media players, they must be multi-purpose devices Nintendo can't keep with the times, heck catch up to 2005 by attempting to make their leading console more of a all around great portable product outside of its already secure and stellar gaming library?

It'd be so much easier if time stood still forever, everyone who is sick stayed in their pain, and no more years passed and technology didn't evolve so we couldn't buy new products just coz their trying to force features we want anyway at a higher price to us even if it is a good value.

(I by no means want you to think this is purely aimed at Sword Demon, just at people who don't like new upgrades, consoles, revisions, patches, fixes)

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#34 donaldo1989
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[QUOTE="darth-pyschosis"]

[QUOTE="Milkncooke"]

[QUOTE="Redonkulous_D"]

Fixed. It doesn't depend on what the features are, because every pokemon game is practically the same, and pokemon has no features that would benefit from what the DSi offers that other DS's don't.

Fixed. I would explain how every Pokemon game is the same as the last and how Pokemon doesn't have any features that would benefit from the DSi, but you did the work for me.

Fail. Downloadable Gyms and Downloadable Badges that are free that your friends send you. They draw the badge, they select Gym lay out, select the four trainers and gym master, and pick their pokemon, moves, lvls, and send it to you.

There. Benefit of the DSi, it has internal memory and expandable memory to keep these Gyms and Badges, therefore when you're playing online it shows you have X amount of user generated Badges.

While it would be awesome if nintendo did this or rather started doing things like this, I seriously doubt it. nintendo and download content are like complete polar opposites. I mean even the wii should be more capable of download content for games but...you get the point
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#43 Taylor_B
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Did I say it was you? If you actually read my post, it refers to DSI users. If you do not own one, then I obviously wasn't referring to you. Oh yes, thanks for reporting me. lmao.

Back on topic:

Seriously, look at the PSP, there have been 3 versions and NONE of which have recieved any extra benefits from games, however their upgrades were not completely useless as well.

suntaice
Uhm, I didn't report anyone. I don't think you posted anything reportable, did you? I don't understand why everyone thinks that just because the Pokemon games have never been very different that things won't be changed this time around. Of course, they might not be, too. The point is we don't know and it's sort of useless to speculate on it.
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#44 Yoweeh
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Did I say it was you? If you actually read my post, it refers to DSI users. If you do not own one, then I obviously wasn't referring to you. Oh yes, thanks for reporting me. lmao.

Back on topic:

Seriously, look at the PSP, there have been 3 versions and NONE of which have recieved any extra benefits from games, however their upgrades were not completely useless as well.

suntaice

That's why we're talking about the DS, not the PSP.

And remember the GBC and the GB Printer? You could print your Pokedex and pictures of your Pokemon. I didn't know anybody that had one of the Printers, and sure I could have been "missing out on some of the game I paid full price for" but it didn't really matter.

Point is, DSi or not, it won't effect the main gameplay at all.

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I agree that it won't have a big impact on gameplay because that would be terrible for all people, some may not like the new feature but have to play on a DSi and others that don't have a DSi would miss out.

But, it would be a neat little feature, plus nothing would promote your new handheld (or rather newest handheld by that time) than a pokemon game holding exclusives to that specific one. I think all of you are to caught up in your heads to realize that at the end of the day Nintendo is nothing more than a company. They don't care about what is fair or what is nice to the people with older consoles. They saw the DSi before anybody and said yes to it not because they wanted to be true to the fan base, but because it would bring them huge amounts of money. They have even admitted to this plenty of times and people just accept it because it is Nintendo. They are brilliant and nobody cares that they do this. Now, me personally, I love my new DSi I've said it time and time again. And to the people who don't view it as neccessary, what exactly do you have to prove this? The DS Lite was not neccessary if you ask me. All they did for that system was put the Phat in a new case, slightly increased the screen size, and sent it on its way. The DSi at least has multiple hardware upgrades, and a BIG new feature, the camera. So please stop complaining and just go with the fact that if you had the money you would have a DSi, and if you had it you would agree that it would be at least an ok idea for some exclusives as a little treat.

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Actually I'm expecting there might be a DSL or original DS only feature, since the GBA slot might influence the game (migrating may be available, some pokemon might only be catchable if X game is in GBA slot), I guess they would need some DSi only features to make up for those DSL and original DS features, if they put them in.
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Actually I'm expecting there might be a DSL or original DS only feature, since the GBA slot might influence the game (migrating may be available, some pokemon might only be catchable if X game is in GBA slot), I guess they would need some DSi only features to make up for those DSL and original DS features, if they put them in.Hegna1

If Nintendo is as sneaky as I think they are, that might not be the case. If they didn't put migrating in HG/SS they'd be making more money. If you had the GBA Poke games and wanted the Pokes in your HG/SS then you'd have to buy P/D/Pt and/or not a DS Lite. Then they could trade from D/p/Pt into HG/SS.

They'd be making lots of money if they didn't put migrating in the remakes because that might also be another reason for people to decide to upgrade to the DSi.

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#48 Hegna1
Member since 2007 • 6118 Posts
Meh, I already have everything I need for Migrating anyway, and I could always use my brother's DS to trade. Doesn't matter to me if I can migrate straight to HG/SS or not, but I do see your point. I did like the small things from having a GBA game in the second slot though.
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#49 xabu1
Member since 2007 • 2590 Posts
I'd rather no DSi bonus, but as long as it's not a real competitive bonus I might be able to live with others having it.
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#50 freakbabyblues-
Member since 2009 • 665 Posts
Actually I'm expecting there might be a DSL or original DS only feature, since the GBA slot might influence the game (migrating may be available, some pokemon might only be catchable if X game is in GBA slot), I guess they would need some DSi only features to make up for those DSL and original DS features, if they put them in.Hegna1
Having all pkmn that need to be migrated in the game for the DSi would be a good feature... I could think of a few other things they could do as well.