Do you think Tales of Graces will live up to the name?

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#1 FooFighter92
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I was just checking some gameplay videos, pictures, and even reading the setting of the story. I have to say: only looking at the art design of the game (pretty much the characters) makes me doubt about it, I mean I guess they're too childish, they just don't go with me. And honestly I thought the plot was kind of stupid too... Who knows maybe it'll be awesome, guess I'll have to wait and see the reviews... what do you guys think?

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#2 GabuEx
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What do we even know about the game that would enable us to make that judgment call?

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#3 bionicle_lover
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i've said this many times, but weird colored haired main characters make me angry > : (

but, one thing that has always bothered me is that all these rpgs, well, console rpgs for japanese consoles like wii and ps3 which are mostly jrpg's all have children (teenagers) or barely adults (early twenties) who cant even drink in some countries going out and kiling people and saving the world.

Hell, where are the people with the real talent and experience? they always end up being the bad guys who suck or the mentor/ sidekick.

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#4 HarlockJC
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It's hard to tell with a Tales game. A number of them did not come out so well. Look at TofS 2 and number of issues Gamespot reviewer had with it.

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#5 OniStrat
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Tales games haven't been good since the PS one days.

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#6 bionicle_lover
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It's hard to tell with a Tales game. A number of them did not come out so well. Look at TofS 2 and number of issues Gamespot reviewer had with it.

HarlockJC

ya i agree with this statement. Tales is one of those game series that you never know what you'll get. I played my first when i played ToS on the GC and it is my favorite RPG. hell, if i even get past half way of the rpg, you know it has to be good in some aspect.

but then i played tales of legendia. i got pretty far and stopped (not too hard on such an easy game) and it wasnt a very good game. I played abyss, which was an evolution of the gameplay style, but the story i did not like. Being so story heavy, Rpg's are really a hit or miss with me in gameplay and story. Its gotta appeal to me in two ways that some other games wont need to.

i like to bring up the digimon video games (for consoles :D) when talking about series that couldnt grasp an identity. though tales games all follow the basic gameplay formula, im still gonna use this example :twisted:

the digimon games were all good on concept, but each iteration, they would change things up to TOTALLY different genres and created whole new storylines that didnt folllow the show, books or each other. If the developers had stuck with perhaps one of the stories or gameplay styles and refined it, it could have been a good game. Now, if we apply that to tales, it will be really a hit or miss because of the story. you know the gameplay isnt gonna be too much different, but unlike call of duty or halo, where you know what you're getting, the story could really throw us off on predicting whether we'll like it or not.

EDIT: also, the change in developing groups throws off what to expect as well. from what i understand, tales of symphonia dawn of the new world was created by the less experienced team and well, playing the game, you could totally tell it was a low budget spinoff.

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#7 Aero5555
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I dunno about any critic but aside from the annoying voice acting and cheesy story I found ToS II to be very enjoyable. So is Graces coming to the US? I thought this thread would hint to that.
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#8 GabuEx
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It's hard to tell with a Tales game. A number of them did not come out so well. Look at TofS 2 and number of issues Gamespot reviewer had with it.

HarlockJC

Of course, the userbase had other thoughts; they rated it over 8 on average, and I would agree with that evaluation.

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#9 OniStrat
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[QUOTE="HarlockJC"]

It's hard to tell with a Tales game. A number of them did not come out so well. Look at TofS 2 and number of issues Gamespot reviewer had with it.

GabuEx

Of course, the userbase had other thoughts; they rated it over 8 on average, and I would agree with that evaluation.

8 and above seems way too high for Tales of Symphonia 2 (if that's the game you're talking about). I managed to play around five hours until I got enough. The main character is among the worst ever in a game, and the voice acting is horrible for each character.

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#10 GabuEx
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[QUOTE="GabuEx"]

[QUOTE="HarlockJC"]

It's hard to tell with a Tales game. A number of them did not come out so well. Look at TofS 2 and number of issues Gamespot reviewer had with it.

OniStrat

Of course, the userbase had other thoughts; they rated it over 8 on average, and I would agree with that evaluation.

8 and above seems way too high for Tales of Symphonia 2 (if that's the game you're talking about). I managed to play around five hours until I got enough. The main character is among the worst ever in a game, and the voice acting is horrible for each character.

To each their own, I guess; I personally found that by the end of the game I cared more about Emil and Marta than any other characters in a long time.

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#11 Aero5555
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I personally found that by the end of the game I cared more about Emil and Marta than any other characters in a long time.

GabuEx
I completely understand how you feel having beat the game a couple of days ago myself. But you can't deny that the horrid cheesiness of the delivery (voice work/conversations) completely destroyed the plot's chances of being a classic of romance in RPGs. Though I gotta admit, some of the "c" button conversations were hilarious and well done. I'm very disappointed with the critics' views on the game, they set the expectation bar too high thanks to the first ToS and did not give it a chance.
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#12 GabuEx
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[QUOTE="GabuEx"]

I personally found that by the end of the game I cared more about Emil and Marta than any other characters in a long time.

Aero5555

I completely understand how you feel having beat the game a couple of days ago myself. But you can't deny that the horrid cheesiness of the delivery (voice work/conversations) completely destroyed the plot's chances of being a classic of romance in RPGs. Though I gotta admit, some of the "c" button conversations were hilarious and well done. I'm very disappointed with the critics' views on the game, they set the expectation bar too high thanks to the first ToS and did not give it a chance.

Of course I can't deny that it was cheesy in delivery. But at the same time, I honestly didn't care. Even as things were, I was honestly rooting for the good guys in the end in a heartfelt manner, and when I accidentally got the bad ending, I was literally depressed by it because I wanted so much for Emil and Marta to be happy. Games are very few and far between that make me forget so utterly that I'm playing a game and that the people before me are just pixels on a screen, but ToS2 did it for me. I thought Emil and Marta's relationship was just so beautifully done.

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#13 Aero5555
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I thought Emil and Marta's relationship was just so beautifully done.

GabuEx
Yes their chemistry was great (minus the delivery) except for one minor issue I just recalled. I didn't like how they made Marta completely inlove with Emil within the second they got to fight together. Yes the frustration Emil expressed over her views of him were a nice twist but I still would rather have preferred their relationship start shallow and grow close as you progressed. I'll be dead-pan here and say I found it kinda stupid actually.
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#14 Bass7
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Tales games haven't been good since the PS one days.

OniStrat

You didn't even like Tales of Symphonia? :(.

I for one...hope and pray that Tales of Graces will be good. Tales games are...iffy, some are good, some you just....forget about. I believe Tales of Symphonia is the best in the series (not ToS2, that was just a fanservice game) and is still in my Top 5 games.

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#15 yokofox33
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I have no doubt that I'll love it. I'm a fan of the Tales series, so I should enjoy it. I was impressed with the little bit I've seen of it. Apaprently the Japanese version is full of bugs though, so hopefully a localized version will see some corrections.

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#16 roboccs
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Graces looks amazing and Ihave no doubt it will be. I love the Tales series. Say what you will about the TOS2 reviews but to me it was one of my favorite wii games.

Also, I've read around and those that imported it say it's really good.

Now it just need localization.

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#17 Elwenwe
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Well, I dunno... as I've been pretty disappointed by the Tales of Symphonia 2. I don't even know if it's going to come out in America.
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#18 Boomarley
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I think that a crucial thing people seem to miss is that Emil and Marta are supposed to come off as annoying at first, as the game is about showing how they grow out of it. Sounds cliched, but personally, I thought the way the story played with our perceptions of stock character archetypes was pretty intriguing. As much as everyone hates hearing this, Tales Of Symphonia 2 is a game that gets better later on, at least story-wise.

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#19 GabuEx
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Well, I dunno... as I've been pretty disappointed by the Tales of Symphonia 2. I don't even know if it's going to come out in America. Elwenwe

This thread's from 2009, dude. Please create a new thread if you want to discuss the topic in the opening post.