Do you think Zelda PH and ST Are better than OoT 3DS?

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#1 StatusShuffle
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Do you think the Zeldas the DS offered re way better and are much more fun and playale compared to OoT 3DS, or are you one of those people that can't see9fjff45fn5f5 one of those people who think OoT is still the best? Even in portable 3DS form?
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#2 LJChronx
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Not even close. OoT is way better. If you really just like the overhead style of PH and ST, then you should get A Link to the Past. I can never decide which is the better game between OoT and LP. OoT is probably the better game, but I played LP when I was like 12 years old and it just blew me away. It was during the golden age of my gaming (SNES).

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#3 Ghost120x
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Nope, just stop it right now.
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#4 StatusShuffle
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Nope, just stop it right now.Ghost120x
wat...
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#5 StatusShuffle
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Dang gamespot is one glitchy mofo.
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#6 kingjazziephiz
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nope
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No. F*ck no.
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#9 YoshiYogurt
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Hell no. The 3DS version looks great and is an overall better game. PH is still a decent game, and ST is in zelda 2 territory in terms of badness.
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#10 elbert_b_23
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any zelda game is better then the two on the ds
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#11 spike6958
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No, PH and ST are the only Zelda games that OoT is better than.
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#12 ANIMEguy10034
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*Flame Shield On*

Honestly, I had more fun playing PH and ST than I did with OoT3D. PH and ST are not my favorite Zelda games, but both offer completely unique experiences. I'm also one of those few people who enjoyed the stylus controls and didn't mind (much) the central dungeons or the modes of transportation. OoT is a great game, but there's a limit on the amount of times you can play the same game before getting bored of it. I do agree that OoT3D is the superior version of OoT, but it felt too much like the original for its price. Most of my enjoyment came from Master Quest, but it wasn't enough for me to absolutely fall in love with this remake. Having to beat the normal mode, which was basically OoT with better graphics, to unlock Master Quest ruined the experience for me.

TL;DR: If OoT3D felt more like a remake and less like an enhanced port with Master Quest, and gave me the option to start Master Quest from the start, I would have enjoyed it more than PH and ST.

^^^Opinion^^^

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#13 StatusShuffle
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No, PH and ST are the only Zelda games that OoT is better than.spike6958
lol.
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#14 martinX3X
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Yes. I think many people are having their nostalgia glasses on when comparing the OoT. I recently beat ocarina of time for the first time and I found the controls to be incredibly twitchy at times especially with locking on enemies and getting hit by them. Many aspects of the game seemed very unpolished too. Some characters were very memorable like the Zora king and princess but most of the other characters were very underdeveloped.

Zelda PH and ST were incredibly polished with tight controls and addicting dungeons. The temple of the ocean king was a bit annoying but the rest of game had new surprises and had an amazing atmosphere even if it was on DS.

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#15 GreekGameManiac
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No,but Spirit Tracks is a pretty good and underrated game.

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#16 spike6958
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[QUOTE="spike6958"]No, PH and ST are the only Zelda games that OoT is better than.StatusShuffle
lol.

What? OoT is crap compared to pretty much every other game in the series, aside from the 2 DS games. The ONLY reason it gets so much, undeserved, respect is because it was the first 3D Zelda, that's it. I've never once been given a legitimate reason why it's better than any other game in the series, because it's not. The art style is ugly, the story is boring, the overworld is dead, the dungeons are repetitive, the villain's an idiot, the characters are annoying (and I'm not just talking about the Owl). It's not a terrible game when talking of games in general, but it's one of the worst in the Zelda series.

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#17 videog
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[QUOTE="StatusShuffle"][QUOTE="spike6958"]No, PH and ST are the only Zelda games that OoT is better than.spike6958

lol.

What? OoT is crap compared to pretty much every other game in the series, aside from the 2 DS games. The ONLY reason it gets so much, undeserved, respect is because it was the first 3D Zelda, that's it. I've never once been given a legitimate reason why it's better than any other game in the series, because it's not. The art style is ugly, the story is boring, the overworld is dead, the dungeons are repetitive, the villain's an idiot, the characters are annoying (and I'm not just talking about the Owl). It's not a terrible game when talking of games in general, but it's one of the worst in the Zelda series.

I just played OOT on the 3ds for the first time and it's my favorite zelda game......so don't just say people like it for nostalgia and it being the first 3d zelda.

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#18 StatusShuffle
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[QUOTE="StatusShuffle"][QUOTE="spike6958"]No, PH and ST are the only Zelda games that OoT is better than.spike6958

lol.

What? OoT is crap compared to pretty much every other game in the series, aside from the 2 DS games. The ONLY reason it gets so much, undeserved, respect is because it was the first 3D Zelda, that's it. I've never once been given a legitimate reason why it's better than any other game in the series, because it's not. The art style is ugly, the story is boring, the overworld is dead, the dungeons are repetitive, the villain's an idiot, the characters are annoying (and I'm not just talking about the Owl). It's not a terrible game when talking of games in general, but it's one of the worst in the Zelda series.

I was agreeing with you not laughing at you.
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#19 spike6958
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[QUOTE="spike6958"]

[QUOTE="StatusShuffle"] lol.StatusShuffle

What? OoT is crap compared to pretty much every other game in the series, aside from the 2 DS games. The ONLY reason it gets so much, undeserved, respect is because it was the first 3D Zelda, that's it. I've never once been given a legitimate reason why it's better than any other game in the series, because it's not. The art style is ugly, the story is boring, the overworld is dead, the dungeons are repetitive, the villain's an idiot, the characters are annoying (and I'm not just talking about the Owl). It's not a terrible game when talking of games in general, but it's one of the worst in the Zelda series.

I was agreeing with you not laughing at you.

Well that's alright then :)
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[QUOTE="StatusShuffle"][QUOTE="spike6958"]No, PH and ST are the only Zelda games that OoT is better than.spike6958

lol.

What? OoT is crap compared to pretty much every other game in the series, aside from the 2 DS games. The ONLY reason it gets so much, undeserved, respect is because it was the first 3D Zelda, that's it. I've never once been given a legitimate reason why it's better than any other game in the series, because it's not. The art style is ugly, the story is boring, the overworld is dead, the dungeons are repetitive, the villain's an idiot, the characters are annoying (and I'm not just talking about the Owl). It's not a terrible game when talking of games in general, but it's one of the worst in the Zelda series.

I'm sorry but your a complete idiot. You can't put a score on the story that's a mtter of opinion. To me the story is epic, and the art style is my favorite of all the series. What do you say to that? Are you gonna tell me I have bad tastes?

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#21 meetroid8
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I'd rather play OoT than either of the DS games.
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#22 jedinat
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*Flame Shield On*

Honestly, I had more fun playing PH and ST than I did with OoT3D. PH and ST are not my favorite Zelda games, but both offer completely unique experiences. I'm also one of those few people who enjoyed the stylus controls and didn't mind (much) the central dungeons or the modes of transportation. OoT is a great game, but there's a limit on the amount of times you can play the same game before getting bored of it. I do agree that OoT3D is the superior version of OoT, but it felt too much like the original for its price. Most of my enjoyment came from Master Quest, but it wasn't enough for me to absolutely fall in love with this remake. Having to beat the normal mode, which was basically OoT with better graphics, to unlock Master Quest ruined the experience for me.

TL;DR: If OoT3D felt more like a remake and less like an enhanced port with Master Quest, and gave me the option to start Master Quest from the start, I would have enjoyed it more than PH and ST.

^^^Opinion^^^

ANIMEguy10034
You talk as if OoT 3DS's entire merit comes solely from the few tweaks it underwent in its transition to the 3DS. It's still OoT. And it's madness to consider the DS titles better games than OoT.
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#23 PhazonBlazer
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I really do not like Spirit Tracks or Phantom Hourglass. I just don't find them fun to play.

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#24 ANIMEguy10034
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You talk as if OoT 3DS's entire merit comes solely from the few tweaks it underwent in its transition to the 3DS. It's still OoT. And it's madness to consider the DS titles better games than OoT.jedinat

Even if it's still OoT, I was annoyed because I couldn't start Master Quest from the start, the normal quest lacked new content, the combat was still clunky, and the save system was still dated. These annoyances hindered my experience with the remake which is why I had more fun playing PH and ST.

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#25 GreekGameManiac
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[QUOTE="jedinat"]You talk as if OoT 3DS's entire merit comes solely from the few tweaks it underwent in its transition to the 3DS. It's still OoT. And it's madness to consider the DS titles better games than OoT.ANIMEguy10034

Even if it's still OoT, I was annoyed because I couldn't start Master Quest from the start, the normal quest lacked new content, the combat was still clunky, and the save system was still dated. These annoyances hindered my experience with the remake which is why I had more fun playing PH and ST.

You're not exactly right.

PH & ST can't compare,in general.

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#26 spike6958
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[QUOTE="spike6958"]

[QUOTE="StatusShuffle"] lol.mariokart97

What? OoT is crap compared to pretty much every other game in the series, aside from the 2 DS games. The ONLY reason it gets so much, undeserved, respect is because it was the first 3D Zelda, that's it. I've never once been given a legitimate reason why it's better than any other game in the series, because it's not. The art style is ugly, the story is boring, the overworld is dead, the dungeons are repetitive, the villain's an idiot, the characters are annoying (and I'm not just talking about the Owl). It's not a terrible game when talking of games in general, but it's one of the worst in the Zelda series.

I'm sorry but your a complete idiot. You can't put a score on the story that's a mtter of opinion. To me the story is epic, and the art style is my favorite of all the series. What do you say to that? Are you gonna tell me I have bad tastes?

Yes, quite frankly, I will. Just as I have told the one person in real life I know who thinks OoT is the best Zelda game, you're a nostalgia drunk fool. As I said, as a stand alone game it's fine, but when put against the rest of the Zelda series, it cannot compare to the likes of the original LoZ, ALttP, Wind Waker or Twilight Princess.
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#27 ANIMEguy10034
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You're not exactly right.

PH & ST can't compare,in general.

GreekGameManiac

No one is right or wrong. We all experience games differently, some enjoy them more than others. I enjoyed PH and ST more than OoT3D. Simple as that. I already gave my reasons and I don't need to repeat myself.

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#28 Spinnerweb
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I liked Phantom Hourglass and Spirit tracks more, really. I didn't mind the stylus controls and I had more fun with them.
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#29 REVOLUTIONfreak
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any zelda game is better then the two on the dselbert_b_23
This. I actually tried playing Spirit Tracks just yesterday, and the control scheme felt so unnatural. Bless 'em for trying, but neither game is very easy to pick-up and play. With that being said, Phantom Hourglass is infinitely superior to Spirit Tracks.
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#30 REVOLUTIONfreak
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[QUOTE="mariokart97"]

[QUOTE="spike6958"]

What? OoT is crap compared to pretty much every other game in the series, aside from the 2 DS games. The ONLY reason it gets so much, undeserved, respect is because it was the first 3D Zelda, that's it. I've never once been given a legitimate reason why it's better than any other game in the series, because it's not. The art style is ugly, the story is boring, the overworld is dead, the dungeons are repetitive, the villain's an idiot, the characters are annoying (and I'm not just talking about the Owl). It's not a terrible game when talking of games in general, but it's one of the worst in the Zelda series.

spike6958

I'm sorry but your a complete idiot. You can't put a score on the story that's a mtter of opinion. To me the story is epic, and the art style is my favorite of all the series. What do you say to that? Are you gonna tell me I have bad tastes?

Yes, quite frankly, I will. Just as I have told the one person in real life I know who thinks OoT is the best Zelda game, you're a nostalgia drunk fool. As I said, as a stand alone game it's fine, but when put against the rest of the Zelda series, it cannot compare to the likes of the original LoZ, ALttP, Wind Waker or Twilight Princess.

Ocarina of Time is more effortlessly charming than all of the other Zelda games. It doesn't feel like it's trying as hard as the others, and that will always make OoT superior from my perspective. Wind Waker does deserve more credit than it gets, however. (I also don't know why you didn't list Majora's Mask in your enumeration...)
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#31 GreekGameManiac
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[QUOTE="elbert_b_23"]any zelda game is better then the two on the dsREVOLUTIONfreak
This. I actually tried playing Spirit Tracks just yesterday, and the control scheme felt so unnatural. Bless 'em for trying, but neither game is very easy to pick-up and play. With that being said, Phantom Hourglass is infinitely superior to Spirit Tracks.

I third this.....except your last sentence.

WTF?

ST is longer,harder,and better.

:S

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#32 spike6958
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[QUOTE="spike6958"][QUOTE="mariokart97"]

I'm sorry but your a complete idiot. You can't put a score on the story that's a mtter of opinion. To me the story is epic, and the art style is my favorite of all the series. What do you say to that? Are you gonna tell me I have bad tastes?

REVOLUTIONfreak

Yes, quite frankly, I will. Just as I have told the one person in real life I know who thinks OoT is the best Zelda game, you're a nostalgia drunk fool. As I said, as a stand alone game it's fine, but when put against the rest of the Zelda series, it cannot compare to the likes of the original LoZ, ALttP, Wind Waker or Twilight Princess.

Ocarina of Time is more effortlessly charming than all of the other Zelda games. It doesn't feel like it's trying as hard as the others, and that will always make OoT superior from my perspective. Wind Waker does deserve more credit than it gets, however. (I also don't know why you didn't list Majora's Mask in your enumeration...)

Eh, the main reason I didn't mention Majora's Mask is because, while I do believe it's a much better game than OoT, for me it suffers from many of the same problems that OoT does.
It's recycles the graphics/art style, which I really do hate (both games just look ugly, even back when they first launched), the dungeons are again pretty boring (with the exception of the Stone Tower Temple, which is amazing), but my biggest problem with Majora's Mask is that Majora isn't an interesting Villain.
The Skull Kid is, I loved learning his backstory, but he was never the villain, he's just a kid who Majora used. Same with the Moon, the threat of the Moon falling and killing everyone, was awesome and was made even better by the fact that the NPC's are probably the best any Zelda game has had (though the timelimit also helped with that because it made it so they could react differently depending on how each 3day cycle played out). But all that falls apart for me when there was never really any explination of who Majora was and why she was doing any of this. Now don't get me wrong, I love to have villains that are wrapped in mystery, but usually as you progress though the game you find out a bit more about who they are, and why they want to do what there doing, with Majora you got a tiny ammount of info stating that she was used in Hexing rituals and was hidden away because the "ancient ones"feared it, but then we're told nothing more, which is really dissapointing when you think about how much detail they put into characters that, to be honest, didn't matter.

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Oh gosh no. They were great games but just no.
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i like ST more than OoT, so yeah.
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i like ST more than OoT, so yeah.BrunoBRS
Really? ST is probably the worst zelda ever made.
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#36 GreekGameManiac
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[QUOTE="BrunoBRS"]i like ST more than OoT, so yeah.YoshiYogurt
Really? ST is probably the worst zelda ever made.

Oh?

So it's worst than Zelda II?

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#37 YoshiYogurt
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[QUOTE="YoshiYogurt"][QUOTE="BrunoBRS"]i like ST more than OoT, so yeah.GreekGameManiac

Really? ST is probably the worst zelda ever made.

Oh?

So it's worst than Zelda II?

It's pretty much that bad.
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#38 GreekGameManiac
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It's pretty much that bad.YoshiYogurt

I don't see your logic,explain?

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#39 YoshiYogurt
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[QUOTE="YoshiYogurt"]It's pretty much that bad.GreekGameManiac

I don't see your logic,explain?

It's just personal opinion. I could actually play through zelda 2, but ST bored me to death and I still haven't finished it.
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#40 GreekGameManiac
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It's just personal opinion. I could actually play through zelda 2, but ST bored me to death and I still haven't finished it.YoshiYogurt

Bored you to death?

It was more refreshing and better than PH.

The items and the bosses were fun.

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[QUOTE="REVOLUTIONfreak"][QUOTE="spike6958"] Yes, quite frankly, I will. Just as I have told the one person in real life I know who thinks OoT is the best Zelda game, you're a nostalgia drunk fool. As I said, as a stand alone game it's fine, but when put against the rest of the Zelda series, it cannot compare to the likes of the original LoZ, ALttP, Wind Waker or Twilight Princess.spike6958

Ocarina of Time is more effortlessly charming than all of the other Zelda games. It doesn't feel like it's trying as hard as the others, and that will always make OoT superior from my perspective. Wind Waker does deserve more credit than it gets, however. (I also don't know why you didn't list Majora's Mask in your enumeration...)

Eh, the main reason I didn't mention Majora's Mask is because, while I do believe it's a much better game than OoT, for me it suffers from many of the same problems that OoT does.
It's recycles the graphics/art style, which I really do hate (both games just look ugly, even back when they first launched), the dungeons are again pretty boring (with the exception of the Stone Tower Temple, which is amazing), but my biggest problem with Majora's Mask is that Majora isn't an interesting Villain.
The Skull Kid is, I loved learning his backstory, but he was never the villain, he's just a kid who Majora used. Same with the Moon, the threat of the Moon falling and killing everyone, was awesome and was made even better by the fact that the NPC's are probably the best any Zelda game has had (though the timelimit also helped with that because it made it so they could react differently depending on how each 3day cycle played out). But all that falls apart for me when there was never really any explination of who Majora was and why she was doing any of this. Now don't get me wrong, I love to have villains that are wrapped in mystery, but usually as you progress though the game you find out a bit more about who they are, and why they want to do what there doing, with Majora you got a tiny ammount of info stating that she was used in Hexing rituals and was hidden away because the "ancient ones"feared it, but then we're told nothing more, which is really dissapointing when you think about how much detail they put into characters that, to be honest, didn't matter.

I generally find the ambiguity of Zelda game plots to be charming, but I see your point. I do feel like they throw in these side stories without realizing that if they're going to do them, they need to flesh-out their story more, as they aren't built-upon villains like Ganon is.
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#42 JustPlainLucas
Member since 2002 • 80441 Posts
Those two were some of the WORST Zeldas I ever played. Hell, I'd even play A Link to the Past or Link's Awakening before I ever touch those two Zeldas again.
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#43 YoshiYogurt
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Those two were some of the WORST Zeldas I ever played. Hell, I'd even play A Link to the Past or Link's Awakening before I ever touch those two Zeldas again.JustPlainLucas
Um, do you think a link to the past is bad? It's the best zelda IMO, and is probably my all time favorite game.
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#44 nintendofreak_2
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Spirit Tracks is about the only Zelda game that's worse than OoT. Neither one is close to the others, including PH.

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#45 tocool340
Member since 2004 • 21695 Posts

No....no no no no.....NOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!

I'll take OoT open world, how Zelda should be IMO, over Spirit Tracks trains and Phantom Hourglasses sailing (....ugh PH sailing was such a nuisance looking back at it) any day....

Both had more unique dungeon and gameplay than OoT, but I still enjoyed OoT a hell of a lot more...