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#1 goblaa
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In the latest episode of the bonus round, the panel didn't have very many nice things to say about Epic Mickey. They said after they got some hands-on time with the game it was pretty bad. Is this a flop in the making?

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#2 DJ_Lae
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Everything that's come out about the game recently has gotten progressively worse - I wouldn't be surprised at all if the end product turns out to be garbage. And it wouldn't be far off from what I expected, either - did anyone really expect the game to be good?
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#3 kaze347
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I expected it to be awesome actually.

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[QUOTE="DJ_Lae"]Everything that's come out about the game recently has gotten progressively worse - I wouldn't be surprised at all if the end product turns out to be garbage. And it wouldn't be far off from what I expected, either - did anyone really expect the game to be good?

Yep and still do, just because a couple of people don't like it, doesn't mean a thing. Don't let others do your thinking for you. A Warren Spector game is the last game you should be making judgments on from a 20 minute demo.
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#5 AmayaPapaya
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I'm not sure about the game. I have kind of been on a teeter totter with this. Sometimes it looks great. Other times it looks like a bad game.

I just saw a video on EM, and I think I get what the game is about. The game is more about messing with the environment, finding different outcomes, finding different solutions to a problem, doing small things that affect you as the course of the game goes on and ultimately seeing how it unfolds. Of course the game also revolves around Nostalgia.

The game will only be 8-10. Most likely he did this so a player could experience the many things you can supposedly can do that turns out different. Spector also hinted that there is a lot more to the game than meets the eye.Someone found, I believe he called it a stamp, and when the person asked what it was, he said it was a major part of the game, and that he wouldn't say anything about it. The stamp was of the logo of the game (the painted Mickey Mouse ears), so it has to be of some importance.

Basically if this game is good, it is just because a demo isn't good enough to show its true colors.

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#7 painguy1
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im going to wait and see what happens with the final product

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#8 SapSacPrime
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I haven't been unimpressed with what I have seen so far so this game stays on my want list, if it is as big as we have been led to believe then judging it by a small demo is a huge injustice.

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#9 The_Pig_Hostage
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did anyone really expect the game to be good?DJ_Lae
Yes, many people who have heard of Warren Spector expect it to be good.
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#10 illmatic87
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[QUOTE="Sepewrath"][QUOTE="DJ_Lae"]Everything that's come out about the game recently has gotten progressively worse - I wouldn't be surprised at all if the end product turns out to be garbage. And it wouldn't be far off from what I expected, either - did anyone really expect the game to be good?

Yep and still do, just because a couple of people don't like it, doesn't mean a thing. Don't let others do your thinking for you. A Warren Spector game is the last game you should be making judgments on from a 20 minute demo.

Basically, I think the game is suffering abit from an identity crisis however--people are expecting a full blown platformer, I remember Okami copping similar flack several years ago. I am more keen on its approach to choice and how dynamic of a game epic mickey is and Spectors games have always nailed the more ambiguous and player conscience decisions better than anything Peter Molyneux has done.
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#11 illmatic87
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[QUOTE="Sepewrath"][QUOTE="DJ_Lae"]Everything that's come out about the game recently has gotten progressively worse - I wouldn't be surprised at all if the end product turns out to be garbage. And it wouldn't be far off from what I expected, either - did anyone really expect the game to be good?

Yep and still do, just because a couple of people don't like it, doesn't mean a thing. Don't let others do your thinking for you. A Warren Spector game is the last game you should be making judgments on from a 20 minute demo.

Basically, I think the game is suffering abit from an identity crisis however--people are expecting a full blown platformer, I remember Okami copping similar flack several years ago. I am more keen on its approach to choice and how dynamic of a game epic mickey is and Spectors games have always nailed the more ambiguous and player conscience decisions better than anything Peter Molyneux has done.
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#12 Elian2530
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I terms of hype, it will fail. But I think it will be an okay game. Not like what they make it out to be.
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#13 bobcheeseball
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Whoa....didn't realize all the criticism for this game. This may not end well.
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#14 Crystal-Rush
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I'm long passed my expiry date to be excited about the whole mickey and disney thing, apart from the Kingdom Hearts series.
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#15 chocolate1325
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I wasn't hyped by this game at all. I mean I didn't really like Okami that much and it won't get anywhere near Mario or Zelda. It seems that most games like this look promising but end up being failures but kids will buy it because its Mickey Mouse.

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#16 kittensRjerks
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I don't know why they would use EPIC in their title? Maybe it's a way for them to hype up CRAP!!!

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#17 locopatho
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I never really got the hype apart from IT'S MICKEY!!! and IT'S WARREN!!! The actual game never seemed that good looking to me. I think it'll an ok-ish platformer, 7/10 kinda material, nothing special.
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I saw that yesterday. All I have to say is that no one on that panel this week, I like. I don't trust any of them. Shane actually picked SMG2 as his game of the year so far (surprising, considering he generally hates the Wii and isn't afraid to say it) -- the other blond hair guy is really weird and says a lot of stupid stuff -- and Tom Russo also works on Reviews On The Run, which is a horrible, horrible gaming TV show.

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As for Epic Mickey, I too haven't seen anything that makes it stand out. We'll see before it's about to come out, but right now it looks like an average platformer with some sort of moral system (a la deus ex.) -- which sounds interesting, if done well. I don't think we've really seen enough of the game to really judge what it'll be like and I certainly don't trust that panel, at all. I mean a guy who says he played a bit of SMG2 and said 'yeah I get it, you jump around as this character' (Tom Russo) is not someone I'm going to listen to when it comes to a platformer.

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meh i seen more good on bad including that adam guy from g4 that hates the wii and the games loves this game and many more so 1 web site said its bad what a joke there's 20 more that say its good no game can please everyone some people just want games to suck that they look for reason for it to be bad, hell the game is still in development wait intel its finished to sate the pointless hate
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#20 meetroid8
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I wasn't hyped by this game at all. I mean I didn't really like Okami that much and it won't get anywhere near Mario or Zelda. It seems that most games like this look promising but end up being failures but kids will buy it because its Mickey Mouse.

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What does that have to do with Epic Mickey? I'm stil interested in this game, the only complaint they had was its camera, and that can be easily fixed before release.

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#21 NaveedLife
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This game is one that reviews will be the deciding factor on (for me). It could be great, but it has not made me go WOW as Zelda, Donkey Kong, metroid, Goldeneye and more have.

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#22 starwarsjunky
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when it was first released and i saw the original concept art, i thought "ZOMG AWESOME!!!!" and it has declined to where i feel its a definite flop. in my book at least.
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#23 DJ_Lae
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[QUOTE="DJ_Lae"] did anyone really expect the game to be good?The_Pig_Hostage
Yes, many people who have heard of Warren Spector expect it to be good.

I know who Spector is, and I still don't expect much from the game. It reeks of Kingdom Hearts somehow - a middling to poor game concept 'saved' with a liberal application of Disney nostalgia. I'd be much more excited if he had a chance to develop another game of his own.
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#24 meetroid8
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Its strange, one negative preview pops up and all the haters come flocking over here to say "I always knew it would terrible!!!". Calm down, the game is months away from release, has had over a dozen positive hands on impressions, and as always Warren Spector. I'm not saying that everyone needs to be excited about this game, but the amount of hate in this thread is unwarranted.
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#25 LegatoSkyheart
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I bet it's going to be under apperciated like Super Mario Sunshine.

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#26 chocolate1325
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[QUOTE="chocolate1325"]

I wasn't hyped by this game at all. I mean I didn't really like Okami that much and it won't get anywhere near Mario or Zelda. It seems that most games like this look promising but end up being failures but kids will buy it because its Mickey Mouse.

meetroid8

What does that have to do with Epic Mickey? I'm stil interested in this game, the only complaint they had was its camera, and that can be easily fixed before release.

Well I thought it took the idea of the painting element out of that game but I still aren't hooked on the game. It's a maybe.

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#27 Cruse34
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it has epic potental we shall see what happens

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#28 psychobrew
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I think Warren made a big mistakes by relying too much on focus groups. The graphics need to be more gothic. The game needs dark and eerie feel. I'm up in the air right now.
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#29 Michael0134567
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I have hopes that this game will be good.When's the last time we had a good game that had Mickey in it?

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#30 iBear-
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Everything that's come out about the game recently has gotten progressively worse - I wouldn't be surprised at all if the end product turns out to be garbage. And it wouldn't be far off from what I expected, either - did anyone really expect the game to be good?DJ_Lae

Yea I'm sure there's lots of people who thought this was going to be a great game. Honestly I've always been pretty skeptical about it but, I haven't lost hope yet

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#31 Legolas_Katarn
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Everything I've seen and heard make this game look like it will be a great idea with horrible execution.

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#32 KBFloYd
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i just want a 20 hour mickey platformer :P

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did anyone really expect the game to be good?DJ_Lae
Yes, I still do, as a matter of fact.
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#34 Sepewrath
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Its strange, one negative preview pops up and all the haters come flocking over here to say "I always knew it would terrible!!!". Calm down, the game is months away from release, has had over a dozen positive hands on impressions, and as always Warren Spector. I'm not saying that everyone needs to be excited about this game, but the amount of hate in this thread is unwarranted. meetroid8
Yeah I always find that hilarious, people these days seem to be incapable of individual thought, they simply wait for validation from the mob or from some random member of media to proclaim their thoughts. Whether they had the thoughts prior to this or not, it certainly looks like letting others do the thinking for you. [QUOTE="elbert_b_23"]meh i seen more good on bad including that adam guy from g4 that hates the wii and the games loves this game and many more so 1 web site said its bad what a joke there's 20 more that say its good no game can please everyone some people just want games to suck that they look for reason for it to be bad, hell the game is still in development wait intel its finished to sate the pointless hate

Pretty much. there never has been a game and there will be a game that everyone will like, that will be safe from periodic bashing. Epic Mickey just makes for an Epic Target.
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#35 intro94
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[QUOTE="Sepewrath"][QUOTE="DJ_Lae"]Everything that's come out about the game recently has gotten progressively worse - I wouldn't be surprised at all if the end product turns out to be garbage. And it wouldn't be far off from what I expected, either - did anyone really expect the game to be good?illmatic87
Yep and still do, just because a couple of people don't like it, doesn't mean a thing. Don't let others do your thinking for you. A Warren Spector game is the last game you should be making judgments on from a 20 minute demo.

Basically, I think the game is suffering abit from an identity crisis however--people are expecting a full blown platformer, I remember Okami copping similar flack several years ago. I am more keen on its approach to choice and how dynamic of a game epic mickey is and Spectors games have always nailed the more ambiguous and player conscience decisions better than anything Peter Molyneux has done.

but okami ended with supremely high scores and reveered by its players as often better than Zelda.Me included.
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#36 Sepewrath
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That's the point Illmatic was making in that post. They were saying that people bash if after a small sample because they had previous misconceptions going in, that weren't met in such a small sample size. And if you work in the gaming media, of all people they should know how Spector is and that you cant judge his games from ten minutes of play time.

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#37 mrfokken
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I don't understand all the critisism of upcomming Wii games. The other console threads don't just rip on upcomming games, but the Wii area seems to do nothing but tear appart yet to be released games.Why?

Metroid Other M, Goldeneye, Conduit 2, Epic Mickey, and even Skyward Sword get more grief on this board than games from any other console. These critisisms are based on nothing more than screenshots, a few minutes of gameplay video, and a handful of previews. How about a little optimism?

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#38 HungryLuma
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I laughed so hard when I heard they were making a game called Epic Mickey.

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#39 pierst179
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I hope not. Being a major fan of Disney animation and of the Wii console, I have high expectations for this game.

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#40 Dark-Star13
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When I first saw the concept art I was hyped to the extreme, then I saw game screens and wanted to puke, it looks horrible, I've seen all the screen shots, watched all the video's, and read the previews and it looks like it has the graphics of the Gamecube and gameplay of the PS1, it could have been epic, but alas, it will fail, Epic Fail.

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#41 unrealtron
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I don´t have many hopes

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#42 Superzone
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I don't really know what to think of Epic Mickey yet. It looks like it could be an instant classic, or complete garbage. Time will tell...
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#43 Boni
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Right now my expectations for the game have dropped, I'm still hoping for it to be great though.
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#44 Dave_Bonds
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Right now, I'm going to speculate all of my opinion biasedly, without any experience whatsoever.

That should gage the game accurately enough for me to form a deserving and educated opinion on it.

I'm also going to title another thread with the assumption of consensus in a negative connotation. The goal of this will be to reverberate misinformation with alike absent minded individuals like myself.

Yeah.

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I don't understand all the critisism of upcomming Wii games. The other console threads don't just rip on upcomming games, but the Wii area seems to do nothing but tear appart yet to be released games.Why?

Metroid Other M, Goldeneye, Conduit 2, Epic Mickey, and even Skyward Sword get more grief on this board than games from any other console. These critisisms are based on nothing more than screenshots, a few minutes of gameplay video, and a handful of previews. How about a little optimism?

mrfokken
Because the other consoles have a generally higher standard of quality and developer than Wii? Not to get System Warsish but it's pretty much true, it's a lot easier to get hyped for Dragon Age 2 by Bioware than it is to get hyped about by Goldeneye from Eurocom... Not much track record there. Not to mention the freaking Conduit from silly old HVS!!!
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#46 Sepewrath
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Well actually Eurocom would have more of a track record than BioWare, especially on Nintendo consoles. BioWare has only made like 8 games in their history lol and only a single one was for a Nintendo platform. What Eurocom was doing is kind of what they do, they brought over Duke Nukem to the N64, they did the N64 version of The World is Not Enough and of course Nightfire, this is kind of what they do, so in essence they have more of a track record than BioWare, especially in this kind of situation. If it makes people feel better, the Nintendo version of of most games they have done is typically the best version. BioWare had the luxury of working with publishers like EA, Microsoft and LucasArts, so they get a better hype campaign lol.
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#47 locopatho
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Well actually Eurocom would have more of a track record than BioWare, especially on Nintendo consoles. BioWare has only made like 8 games in their history lol and only a single one was for a Nintendo platform. What Eurocom was doing is kind of what they do, they brought over Duke Nukem to the N64, they did the N64 version of The World is Not Enough and of course Nightfire, this is kind of what they do, so in essence they have more of a track record than BioWare, especially in this kind of situation. If it makes people feel better, the Nintendo version of of most games they have done is typically the best version. BioWare had the luxury of working with publishers like EA, Microsoft and LucasArts, so they get a better hype campaign lol. Sepewrath
You're "lol"ing at Bioware while building up Eurocom? Eurocom, who are making crappy licensed games more than anything else? Just so you know, "hype" is not the reason why they are better regarded!!! But this all sidetrack stuff anyway. Go Mickey, make a good game :D
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[QUOTE="mrfokken"]

I don't understand all the critisism of upcomming Wii games. The other console threads don't just rip on upcomming games, but the Wii area seems to do nothing but tear appart yet to be released games.Why?

Metroid Other M, Goldeneye, Conduit 2, Epic Mickey, and even Skyward Sword get more grief on this board than games from any other console. These critisisms are based on nothing more than screenshots, a few minutes of gameplay video, and a handful of previews. How about a little optimism?

locopatho
Because the other consoles have a generally higher standard of quality and developer than Wii? Not to get System Warsish but it's pretty much true, it's a lot easier to get hyped for Dragon Age 2 by Bioware than it is to get hyped about by Goldeneye from Eurocom... Not much track record there. Not to mention the freaking Conduit from silly old HVS!!!

i for one see bioware extremely over hyped in america i played most of there games and the storys are good the gameplay is standard for the games they make they are not a bad company just overhyped with that said i don't think that other consoles have higher standard of quality theres a lot of great quality wii games the problem is that they are all under the radar companys like xseed that bring over great japanese games but they are never advertised most people don't know about them
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#49 bc1391
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This is literally the first bad press I've heard for this game. I think some of you are overreacting.

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#50 chocolate1325
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I would not panic some people aren't sold on the idea of the game but there is time to iron them out.