FF 4 the after years-the $37 wiiware game

Sorry if this is old, but I just read the nintendolife review of ff 4 the after years and apparently the game is broken into 9 chuncks of one game. The first and last are 800 pts and the middle ones are 300 pts. The total comes out to more than the price of the remake of the original on the DS.

I realize that FFCC MLAaK has dlc that can add up to about that much, but a lot of that was just small trivial things, wheras in this game, you need to shell out 3700 nintendo points just to complete the game. I don't know about you guys, but to me, that's asking too much.

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I essentially payed $50 for Strong Bad (5 episodes = 5000 points), and I have no regrets. If you enjoy the game, why should a number matter?

No DLC in My Life As A King was needed to finish the game, only to enhance it

On the other hand to finish this game you need all the pieces of content

Square has already done this with Space Invaders on Wiiware

Well you could always just not buy it. problem solved.

I laugh at people that complain about this but will go ahead and buy short games like MadWorld/House of the dead: Overkill for 50$.

For 8$ the game is still the longest Wiiware game to date.

I laugh at people that complain about this but will go ahead and buy short games like MadWorld/House of the dead: Overkill for 50$.

For 8$ the game is still the longest Wiiware game to date.

Last time I checked 37 dollars wasn't too bad for a game, especially a FF game.

Since they come out two a month, you only need to save around 6 dollars a month. If you can't do that, you probably shouldn't be spending your money on video games anyway. (in the case that you want to buy them all at once)

I laugh at people that complain about this but will go ahead and buy short games like MadWorld/House of the dead: Overkill for 50$.

For 8$ the game is still the longest Wiiware game to date.

For $37.00, you should get a real game.psychobrew

Square square square...

For $37.00, you should get a real game.psychobrew

I don't know any other Wiiware game that require 5 hours to finish...Stephleref

I do, but they're more expensive than $8. MLaaK took way longer to complete... but it's $15 I think. WoG takes about 10-15 and that's also $15.

For base + Rydia's Tale DLC, you're getting 7 hrs for $11. That works out to $1.6/hr.

A good-sized retail game at a typical price is 20 hrs for $50. That works out to $2.5/hr.

FF3AY + first DLC is over 1.5x cheaper than a retail game.

[QUOTE="psychobrew"]For $37.00, you should get a real game.Michael-Smith

[QUOTE="Stephleref"] I don't know any other Wiiware game that require 5 hours to finish...clicketyclick

I do, but they're more expensive than $8. MLaaK took way longer to complete... but it's $15 I think. WoG takes about 10-15 and that's also $15.

For base + Rydia's Tale DLC, you're getting 7 hrs for $11. That works out to $1.6/hr.

A good-sized retail game at a typical price is 20 hrs for $50. That works out to $2.5/hr.

FF3AY + first DLC is over 1.5x cheaper than a retail game.

There doesn't seem to be any reviews on this game yet, not even from IGN. Probably due to the hectic E3 week...

Anyways, is this game a normal rpg like FF 4 for the DS, its predecessor? Or is it more of a strategy game like My Life as a King or Little King's Story? Because if it's the latter, then I know Square Enix won't be milking my money. But I guess if people are ok with paying that much for a WiiWare game, then nothing will change.

[QUOTE="Michael-Smith"][QUOTE="psychobrew"]For $37.00, you should get a real game.psychobrew

So you didn't answer my question, but this kind of answers it anyway. You think a game that you don't like is not a "real" game. Just because you think it's a bad deal, that makes it so for everyone. I'm not even a fan of FF (In fact I hate the series), but people are going to get a lot of enjoyment out of this, whether you think it's a "rip off" or not.bob_newman

It should be obvious that it was a figure of speach. FF 4 the after years is a low budget "B" game. Would you pay nearly full price for a low budget "B" movie? Would you pay BMW prices for a Kia?

You're being milked and you don't even realize it.

[QUOTE="bob_newman"] So you didn't answer my question, but this kind of answers it anyway. You think a game that you don't like is not a "real" game. Just because you think it's a bad deal, that makes it so for everyone. I'm not even a fan of FF (In fact I hate the series), but people are going to get a lot of enjoyment out of this, whether you think it's a "rip off" or not.psychobrew

It should be obvious that it was a figure of speach. FF 4 the after years is a low budget "B" game. Would you pay nearly full price for a low budget "B" movie? Would you pay BMW prices for a Kia?

You're being milked and you don't even realize it.

So you didn't answer my question, but this kind of answers it anyway. You think a game that you don't like is not a "real" game. Just because you think it's a bad deal, that makes it so for everyone. I'm not even a fan of FF (In fact I hate the series), but people are going to get a lot of enjoyment out of this, whether you think it's a "rip off" or not.bob_newman

It should be obvious that it was a figure of speach. FF 4 the after years is a low budget "B" game. Would you pay nearly full price for a low budget "B" movie? Would you pay BMW prices for a Kia?

You're being milked and you don't even realize it.

Get real. People can enjoy a "B" effort. That doesn't mean it's worth paying full price for a "B" effort though. Square is milking their fans. They should do the right thing for their fans and produce a top tier game.psychobrew

Getting "milked" only applies to those who feel as though they are being milked. If people buy the product, they chose to. They aren't being forced to buy it.

It just seems like this is more of a personal thing for you. If you don't like how Square Enix runs their business, that's fine. But don't try to preach your opinions as fact.

i have to agree with bob_newman. i dont see why FF shouldnt be considered a "real game". just because it's released on WiiWare? and saying "you can get a regular title for that kind of cash" makes it clear that you obviously part games into two different genres: regular titles that you can buy in a store and dlc titles. doesnt make much sense for me.ganga_

Wow. In that case, why did anybody upgrade from the SNES? SNES graphics and gameplay are not worth the price of a modern day full featured game. The cost to create these games are much, much lower and the price should reflect that.

Doyou really think that this

is worth jus as much as this?

There's a reason games from 1991 aren't sold at full price anymore.

[QUOTE="psychobrew"]Get real. People can enjoy a "B" effort. That doesn't mean it's worth paying full price for a "B" effort though. Square is milking their fans. They should do the right thing for their fans and produce a top tier game.bob_newman

Getting "milked" only applies to those who feel as though they are being milked. If people buy the product, they chose to. They aren't being forced to buy it.

It just seems like this is more of a personal thing for you. If you don't like how Square Enix runs their business, that's fine. But don't try to preach your opinions as fact.

[QUOTE="ganga_"]i have to agree with bob_newman. i dont see why FF shouldnt be considered a "real game". just because it's released on WiiWare? and saying "you can get a regular title for that kind of cash" makes it clear that you obviously part games into two different genres: regular titles that you can buy in a store and dlc titles. doesnt make much sense for me.psychobrew

Wow. In that case, why did anybody upgrade from the SNES? SNES graphics and gameplay are not worth the price of a modern day full featured game. The cost to create these games are much, much lower and the price should reflect that.

Doyou really think that this

is worth jus as much as this?

There's a reason games from 1991 aren't sold at full price anymore.

[QUOTE="bob_newman"]

[QUOTE="psychobrew"]Get real. People can enjoy a "B" effort. That doesn't mean it's worth paying full price for a "B" effort though. Square is milking their fans. They should do the right thing for their fans and produce a top tier game.psychobrew

Getting "milked" only applies to those who feel as though they are being milked. If people buy the product, they chose to. They aren't being forced to buy it.

It just seems like this is more of a personal thing for you. If you don't like how Square Enix runs their business, that's fine. But don't try to preach your opinions as fact.

Some people buy old games at above current retail games(mostly the rare ones). People buy games by what they deem it is worth. If you don't think it's worth the price, you simply don't buy it or wait for the price to go down. I don't like the pricing structure though so I agree mostly. SE should just give you the whole thing for one solid price. It's not like this game is taking many years and resources to make.

FFCYAN

A classic game is different. This is a new game using what looks like a 1990 console engine. This isbasically shovelware.

Thanks everyone for responding to my post, I appreciate it. I hope "the after years" become a big hit!

People will pay for it if they feel it's worth their money. Most people who use WiiWare, and most hardcore FF fans, know what they're getting for their money and can make the judgment for themselves. And to your SNES/current games argument, again this just seems like personal preference on the subject. Many people out there are more than willing to spend full price or more for classic games (Earthbound and Chrono Trigger come to mind), simply for the gameplay experience that they offer. In fact, in the case of Chrono Trigger, even though the game is available on the DS for much cheaper, people still want that original experience, SNES controls and all.bob_newman

This isn't a classic game. It's a low effort spinoff of a classic game. If the entire thing was $10, it would be different.

And most people don't know what they are getting because there are no demos.

This isn't a classic game. It's a low effort spinoff of a classic game.

psychobrew

You don't know the quality of the title. But regardless, you seem to be associating what the game looks like with how it will play, or the amount of effort put into it.

Nobody is expecting this to be a graphical showcase. You'd have to be blind to think that. It's about the story and the gameplay, 2 things that Square Enix is renounded for. And that's why people will buy this and not complain. They have reason to trust Square Enix because they have a trustworthy history.

And most people don't know what they are getting because there are no demos.

psychobrew

Sure they do. They know they're getting an oldschool-esque RPG. You don't get demos, but you get to see screenshots from the game. And on the Nintendo Channel, you even get to see gameplay.

You can believe that people are getting ripped off all you want, but it doesn't mean a thing to the people who buy and enjoy the game.

Oh well. I'll wind up buying the game anyway due to me being a fan of FFIV.

It's an RPG with a brand new story continuing from a great game

since it's brand new...$37 isn't bad at all

I can see why people would complain about the price, the graphics are 16 bit and look just like the original. BUT your also getting a follow up to one of the greatest RPGs ever released on the SNES. I'm not a fan, so I'm not worried at all.

I essentially payed $50 for Strong Bad (5 episodes = 5000 points), and I have no regrets. If you enjoy the game, why should a number matter?

bob_newman

Because the number is money. :P

Anyways, it's true. If you like a game, you should get it. Simplistic, eh? :P

A classic game is different. This is a new game using what looks like a 1990 console engine. This isbasically shovelware.psychobrew

[QUOTE="psychobrew"]A classic game is different. This is a new game using what looks like a 1990 console engine. This isbasically shovelware.clicketyclick

[QUOTE="psychobrew"]

This isn't a classic game. It's a low effort spinoff of a classic game.

bob_newman

You don't know the quality of the title. But regardless, you seem to be associating what the game looks like with how it will play, or the amount of effort put into it.

Nobody is expecting this to be a graphical showcase. You'd have to be blind to think that. It's about the story and the gameplay, 2 things that Square Enix is renounded for. And that's why people will buy this and not complain. They have reason to trust Square Enix because they have a trustworthy history.

Once again, it's not a classic game. A classic has to be out for a while before it can even be concidered as one. Besides that, has a spinoff ever reached classic status?

If you honestly believe there was as much money and effort put in to this game as a modern full scale title, you are blind.

A low effort/low budget title being sold atpremium titleprices is shovelware.

if someone buys the first part and feels its a rip off they won't buy the other parts, at least it's not like a retail title where by the time you find out if it sucks you're out 50 bucks

Ok, I need to know what's up with this game. Are you all sure you HAVE TOspend all $38 (or w.e.) to finish the game?
Are they seriously selling people this game piece by piece? I don't get it. What do I get for my $8, and why do I NEED to buy the rest of it?
Can someone please explain?

I'm kind of going on the assumption that $8 gets me the game and the rest of the DLC just = more fleshed out endings for the characters.
Am I wrong?

[QUOTE="bob_newman"]

[QUOTE="psychobrew"]

This isn't a classic game. It's a low effort spinoff of a classic game.

psychobrew

You don't know the quality of the title. But regardless, you seem to be associating what the game looks like with how it will play, or the amount of effort put into it.

Nobody is expecting this to be a graphical showcase. You'd have to be blind to think that. It's about the story and the gameplay, 2 things that Square Enix is renounded for. And that's why people will buy this and not complain. They have reason to trust Square Enix because they have a trustworthy history.

Once again, it's not a classic game. A classic has to be out for a while before it can even be concidered as one. Besides that, has a spinoff ever reached classic status?

If you honestly believe there was as much money and effort put in to this game as a modern full scale title, you are blind.

A low effort/low budget title being sold atpremium titleprices is shovelware.

So then you think No More Heroes is shovelware because of how it looks?

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psychobrew said:

Once again, it's not a classic game. A classic has to be out for a while before it can even be concidered as one.

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No, really?

Chrono Trigger was not a classic when it came out either. But guess what? It was a full-priced game.

Besides that, has a spinoff ever reached classic status?

psychobrew

That's an obvious answer. Have you ever heard of Smash Bros?

Hell, Mario started off in Donkey Kong.

If you honestly believe there was as much money and effort put in to this game as a modern full scale title, you are blind.

psychobrew

Show me where I said anything about the money or effort equaling retail releases. God, you say to Clickety that she's putting words in your mouth, then the very next post in the thread is you putting words in my mouth. Great job there.

I said that people typically trust Square Enix because they know the amount of effort they put into their games. I didn't say that this one has the same amount of effort. And I sure as Hell didn't say jack squat about money.

A low effort/low budget title being sold atpremium titleprices is shovelware.

psychobrew

First of all, it's $13 short of a "premuim title" price. So already, off to a great start with that argument.

Second, you don't have any clue what the definition of "shovelware" is, do you?

You don't even know how much effort went into this game, or really anything about it, yet you announce as fact that little effort was put into the game, and that it is shovelware.

Great job.

[QUOTE="clicketyclick"][QUOTE="psychobrew"]A classic game is different. This is a new game using what looks like a 1990 console engine. This isbasically shovelware.psychobrew

Think about it this way. Nine episodes can hardly be considered shovelware. Shovelware would be a single download of $15 and a quarter of the total length. That's minimal effort for maximum profit. But instead, they're offering a full-length RPG for about $40.... The same price it would be on the DS if they had gone that route. So would you consider this shovelware if the game had been made as a retail game for the DS?

[QUOTE="psychobrew"]

[QUOTE="bob_newman"]

You don't know the quality of the title. But regardless, you seem to be associating what the game looks like with how it will play, or the amount of effort put into it.

Nobody is expecting this to be a graphical showcase. You'd have to be blind to think that. It's about the story and the gameplay, 2 things that Square Enix is renounded for. And that's why people will buy this and not complain. They have reason to trust Square Enix because they have a trustworthy history.

Once again, it's not a classic game. A classic has to be out for a while before it can even be concidered as one. Besides that, has a spinoff ever reached classic status?

If you honestly believe there was as much money and effort put in to this game as a modern full scale title, you are blind.

A low effort/low budget title being sold atpremium titleprices is shovelware.

So then you think No More Heroes is shovelware because of how it looks?

Ok, I need to know what's up with this game. Are you all sure you HAVE TO spend all $38 (or w.e.) to finish the game?

Conjuration

[QUOTE="FFCYAN"]

Some people buy old games at above current retail games(mostly the rare ones). People buy games by what they deem it is worth. If you don't think it's worth the price, you simply don't buy it or wait for the price to go down. I don't like the pricing structure though so I agree mostly. SE should just give you the whole thing for one solid price. It's not like this game is taking many years and resources to make.

psychobrew

A classic game is different. This is a new game using what looks like a 1990 console engine. This isbasically shovelware.