Fire Emblem: Radiant Dawn- did Gamespot give a bad review?

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#1 Luigi12901
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Who else thinks that GameSpot underrated Radiant Dawn? I think it's much better than they gave it credit for.

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#2 CuDDKiDD
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No Mii support was inexcusible! It should have been rated lower dammit! 5.0.

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#3 KingBowser91
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it should atleast have an 7.5
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#4 Luigi12901
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I think that the game should be at least an 8, if not higher. Nintendo Power gave it a 9.5, IGN gave it an 8.
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#5 SoraX64
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In my opinion, the game was amazing, and the review was written when the writer was drunk...:lol:

But to be serious, it deserved at LEAST an 8.5.

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#6 flazzle
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I wonder the same about the Lost Winds review. That's why I have been looking elsewhere for reviews, not to mention the lengthy delays for reviews of newer games.
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#7 Nintendo_Ownes7
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Fire Emblem Radiant Dawn is my favorite game this gen. So I would give it a 10.
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#9 Wolblade
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I would say it deserves a 7-8, maybe 8.5 score.

I just want to know what they were really expecting a Fire Emblem game to be like. And Mii support? I hope that the option isn't critical in scoring every Wii game they review.

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#10 _BlueDuck_
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The review did have some valid points, the game was pretty much a gamecube game that did not take advantage of any Wii technology, nor did it move the franchise forward. However, the game also still had the top-notch gameplay, depth, and balance that the series is known for, and the score did not reflect that at all.
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#11 psychobrew
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I didn't find this game all that great, but everybody is different. Too many cut scenes and the action was boring. The battles should have been more fluent as well instead of jumping in and out of the battle scenes, do it all at one time.
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#12 presto7640
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Well, the game wasn't great. The story and characters were incredibly cliche, and the gameplay hadn't really advanced from the previous game. But, regardless of those problems, if you like turn-based tactics, it doesn't get much better than Fire Emblem in general. And I still found the battles to be a lot of fun. So yes, I think their score was a bit too low.
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#13 Dark_Link142
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It's a gamecube game, poorly ported to the Wii. It has widescreen support though, which is nice. But the game itself is fantastic.
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#14 firefox59
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I actually think Mii support would have been quite stupid. And how would you use motion conrols in a game like that. They would have been very frustrating cause most likely it would have had something to do with timing.
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#15 Ultamite-Ninja
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Fire Emblem Radiant Dawn is my favorite game this gen. So I would give it a 10.Nintendo_Ownes7
Same here! Radiant Dawn deserves a 10!!!!! It's fantastic! My favriote Wii game period!
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#16 elbert_b_23
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i don't fully believe most of gamestops wii reviews but this game was good just like every other fire emblem game
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#17 Durhamster
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Gamespot is more critical usually of Games which is good in my opinion.

If you actually READ the review they say why or if you lack the attention span read their list of Cons:

Laughable plot

Frustrating difficulty will alienate newcomers

Doesn't even try to adapt and make use of the Wii

Little to no improvement graphically over its GameCube predecessor.

Sounds like a decent reason to give it a 6.

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#18 Michael0134567
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I haven't even played it,but I think it shouldn't have gotten at least a 7,but that's Gamespot for you.
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#19 SirSpudly
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I don't think the review is off, but I feel the number is wrong.

A lot of what berated the game was the lack of direction from Nintendo to justify the title. In Japan, these SRPG games are just assumed to be sequels, but American versions are usually so butchered that they never fully connect.

Nintendo finally corrected the problem and got belittled for it. No small wonder their new direction is to get as many people playing their games.

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#20 clicketyclick
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Who else thinks that GameSpot underrated Radiant Dawn? I think it's much better than they gave it credit for.

Luigi12901
Whether or not they gave it a bad review doesn't depend merely on the number value they attached to it. I think it has far more to do with the review itself - did it explain the reasoning and could you figure out how good of a game the reviewer thought it was without looking at the score? Maybe you feel the score itself is low, and I'll admit, that low of a score usually turns me off. But I don't think you need to attack the review or reviewer in order to disagree and get others to try the game. I've seen a lot of people say that they think it's one of the best games - even their favourite - on Wii. I'd check it out on the basis of testimony. Hearing about other people enjoying a game is far more powerful than a number any day. I guess what I'm saying is that you don't have to put down another person's opinion in their review in order to justify disagreeing. You can just say, "oh, I really liked this game for X,Y, Z reasons. Who's with me?"
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As much as I liked PoR, the Wii version felt too rushed. Graphics identical to the GC(which were not that good to begin with) and no IR support turned me off. I know there's a great game there, but I truly can't stand knowing the developer's did not try very hard.
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Gamespot is more critical usually of Games which is good in my opinion.

If you actually READ the review they say why or if you lack the attention span read their list of Cons:

Laughable plot

Frustrating difficulty will alienate newcomers

Doesn't even try to adapt and make use of the Wii

Little to no improvement graphically over its GameCube predecessor.

Sounds like a decent reason to give it a 6.

Durhamster

I've read the review many times, and beaten the game many times as well. And yes, the review gives "reasons" why it got a 6.0, but just because they list things does not automatically mean they are good reasons to dock a game's score.

1. I still hate this, laughable plot? Really? The game made vast leaps over the others in storytelling, with more of the beautiful cutscenes and voice acting additions. If you didn't play Path of Radiance I could see why you would be lost, but if you are reviewing a direct sequel then you should have played the original(which I assume he did), and if you played the original then I honestly can't see what you would be complaining about with the story.

2.You shouldn't be playing the game on medium or hard difficulty then. Easy is incredibly easy, and this is such a moot point that it should never have made it into the review as a con against the game.

3. Other then graphics(which was listed as a con below, so cannot affect this topic) I really don't know what you are asking for here. Mii Support? No thanks. IR pointing? God no(and if you are a Fire Emblem fan you should agree with me on that). The game can be played with a Wiimote, and therefore is a Wii game.

4. This is a real complaint.

When you put it all together the game sounds like a 7.5 or better, but it's the reviewers loss and not mine.

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#23 goblaa
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7-8

It's just like the lost winds review and the tenchu review. Both wayyyyyy off.

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One of my favorite games this gen. I gave it a 9.5, as the only thing I didn't like was how bad Micaiah's group was... I actually only ended up using Micaiah and Soothe in the final chapters because Haar and Mia were already better than Jill and Edward.
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#25 Ultamite-Ninja
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[QUOTE="Durhamster"]

Gamespot is more critical usually of Games which is good in my opinion.

If you actually READ the review they say why or if you lack the attention span read their list of Cons:

Laughable plot

Frustrating difficulty will alienate newcomers

Doesn't even try to adapt and make use of the Wii

Little to no improvement graphically over its GameCube predecessor.

Sounds like a decent reason to give it a 6.

1. The story is good. Nothing compared to Metal Gear Solid or Kingdom Hearts, but still good for a Fire Emblem game. 2. The difficulty is harsh, but thats why I love it! I can't tell you how many times I have seen the game over screen in that game. As for the newcomer thing, there is an easy mode, I think. 3. It doesn't need to make use of the Wii's features. It's still an amazing game. 4. The graphics aren't the best, but they are still good. I have replayed the game a total of 2 times, and working on my third!
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#26 Ultamite-Ninja
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One of my favorite games this gen. I gave it a 9.5, as the only thing I didn't like was how bad Micaiah's group was... I actually only ended up using Micaiah and Soothe in the final chapters because Haar and Mia were already better than Jill and Edward.Andrn
Yeah, the first batch of soldiers you get are nothing compared to the Greil Mercenaries!
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#27 Dark_Link142
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One of my favorite games this gen. I gave it a 9.5, as the only thing I didn't like was how bad Micaiah's group was... I actually only ended up using Micaiah and Soothe in the final chapters because Haar and Mia were already better than Jill and Edward.Andrn
I don't even know who Haar is, yet I've been told he's one of the best characters in the game.
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#28 Ultamite-Ninja
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[QUOTE="Andrn"]One of my favorite games this gen. I gave it a 9.5, as the only thing I didn't like was how bad Micaiah's group was... I actually only ended up using Micaiah and Soothe in the final chapters because Haar and Mia were already better than Jill and Edward.Dark_Link142
I don't even know who Haar is, yet I've been told he's one of the best characters in the game.

He is one of the best! By the time you make him a wyvern lord he will be nearly unbeatable! Haar is the guy with the big black wyvern, black armor, and an eye patch. You can't miss.
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#29 livinitup01
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8.5 would be great. It got lower because people said it was really similar to the Gamecube one. Not comparing them, this one should get an 8.5. I got it for $15 brand new.
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#30 Luigi12901
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I actually found this game at FYE for 10 dollars, used I think, but it runs like new. I bought Shadow Dragon and I got addicted, so I had to get this.

1. I certainly think that the story is not 'laughable', it's definitely enjoyable

2. I'm a newcomer (I've been playing Fire Emblem for a week total) and I don't think that it's too hard...

3. I agree with most of the people who have already posted here, this game doesn't need most of the Wii controls, it's better without them.

4. I actually think the graphics aren't bad. I mean, it's a strategy game, not usually known for incredible graphics.

In my mind, this game deserves at least a 9.0

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#31 deactivated-5b2b34c3a42a1
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I looked at GS's score without even reading the whole review and decided to stay away from this game even though I loved the old one. But when I heard Nintendo Power gave it a 9.5 out of 10 I thoguht I should at least rent it. When I tried it, it was awful. The graphics were ugly, the story was boring and it was just overrall boring.

I'd give it a 5 out of 10. I'm going to get the new DS one though since its just a remake.

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#32 maxgil2
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Should hav gotten this game when I saw it, now hard to find ..the search continue.
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#33 freek666
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The IGN review was probably the best review out there. It's now sad that we have gotten to the stage were games are losing points for being "too hard".
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#34 livinitup01
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Should hav gotten this game when I saw it, now hard to find ..the search continue.maxgil2
It shouldn't be too hard to find. You just have to look for it. It should be in most EBGames/Gamestops. It shouldn't be that expensive anymore either.
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#35 metaknight-ssbb
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I think the Game is 7.9. 6 is much too low of a score. they probably ranked it 6 because the graphics and plot. its not that bad.

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#36 superapo
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i have it and it deserves a8.5 or at least 7.5

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#37 stike22
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It deserves a 7.5. I like it but it ain't the greatest Fire Emblem I have played.
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#38 Rod90
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Yes, I do think that the gamespot score was too low. It's a really good game (I'm not a fire emblem fan, so I don't have it).
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As much as I liked PoR, the Wii version felt too rushed. Graphics identical to the GC(which were not that good to begin with) and no IR support turned me off. I know there's a great game there, but I truly can't stand knowing the developer's did not try very hard.FFCYAN

Graphics identical to Gamecube??

thats should be a PRO since GC had the best graphics last gen and BTW that shouldnt matter too much for a review

we're talking about games notPixar movies lol

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[QUOTE="FFCYAN"]As much as I liked PoR, the Wii version felt too rushed. Graphics identical to the GC(which were not that good to begin with) and no IR support turned me off. I know there's a great game there, but I truly can't stand knowing the developer's did not try very hard.hansolo14

Graphics identical to Gamecube??

thats should be a PRO since GC had the best graphics last gen and BTW that shouldnt matter too much for a review

we're talking about games notPixar movies lol

Alot of Radiant Dawn was copy/pasted as far as presentation goes. Even the dialog portions seemed like I was playing the same game.

As for the graphics, PoR had DECENT GC graphics, so knowingRD looks like a decent GC game comes off as rather lame. Intelligent Systems should have taken more time to give Radiant Dawn a more proper Wii debut.

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#41 intro94
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well yes and no, gc had last gen best graphics along with the box, but path of radiance didnt really have the best visuals gc could offer.Not to mention Wii can process a load more. Although for a strategy game isnt really that graphically nessesary,subtracting points for that is kinda harsh.But yes, id have liked to see better animation and visuals.The fighting visuals were improved tho, but overall, this was a little bit of my downs regarding this game, just as retro with mprime3, seeing that they recycled the same engine for a new console in both cases is just a tad lazy.
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#42 hansolo14
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[QUOTE="hansolo14"]

[QUOTE="FFCYAN"]As much as I liked PoR, the Wii version felt too rushed. Graphics identical to the GC(which were not that good to begin with) and no IR support turned me off. I know there's a great game there, but I truly can't stand knowing the developer's did not try very hard.FFCYAN

Graphics identical to Gamecube??

thats should be a PRO since GC had the best graphics last gen and BTW that shouldnt matter too much for a review

we're talking about games notPixar movies lol

Alot of Radiant Dawn was copy/pasted as far as presentation goes. Even the dialog portions seemed like I was playing the same game.

As for the graphics, PoR had DECENTGC graphics, so knowingRD looks like a decent GC game comes off as rather lame. Intelligent Systems should have taken more time to give Radiant Dawn a more proper Wii debut.

did you expected waggle?? if the game works well it should stay the same

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#43 snowman6251
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I think it should probably be around 8. at least 7.5 I'm currently playing through it now (backloggery motivated me to go back and finish it). Its an epic game and well worth the money with the amount of time it takes. and I have to play on easy due to massive sucking issues. I can't imagine the length on hard. also the story is great. GS is way off there. IR support would be bad. Could they include it as an option? sure for weird people but it would be frustrating. and who cares about the graphics. gameplay over graphics man
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#44 Hungry_Jello
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[QUOTE="Durhamster"]

Gamespot is more critical usually of Games which is good in my opinion.

If you actually READ the review they say why or if you lack the attention span read their list of Cons:

Laughable plot

Frustrating difficulty will alienate newcomers

Doesn't even try to adapt and make use of the Wii

Little to no improvement graphically over its GameCube predecessor.

Sounds like a decent reason to give it a 6.

dragonball3900

I've read the review many times, and beaten the game many times as well. And yes, the review gives "reasons" why it got a 6.0, but just because they list things does not automatically mean they are good reasons to dock a game's score.

1. I still hate this, laughable plot? Really? The game made vast leaps over the others in storytelling, with more of the beautiful cutscenes and voice acting additions. If you didn't play Path of Radiance I could see why you would be lost, but if you are reviewing a direct sequel then you should have played the original(which I assume he did), and if you played the original then I honestly can't see what you would be complaining about with the story.

2.You shouldn't be playing the game on medium or hard difficulty then. Easy is incredibly easy, and this is such a moot point that it should never have made it into the review as a con against the game.

3. Other then graphics(which was listed as a con below, so cannot affect this topic) I really don't know what you are asking for here. Mii Support? No thanks. IR pointing? God no(and if you are a Fire Emblem fan you should agree with me on that). The game can be played with a Wiimote, and therefore is a Wii game.

4. This is a real complaint.

When you put it all together the game sounds like a 7.5 or better, but it's the reviewers loss and not mine.

Difficulty can be a con for a game. *coughOriginalDevilMayCry3DMDmodecough*. There is such a thing as too hard.

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#45 parmesanhorn
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Laughable plot

Frustrating difficulty will alienate newcomers

Doesn't even try to adapt and make use of the Wii

Little to no improvement graphically over its GameCube predecessor.

Sounds like a decent reason to give it a 6.

Durhamster

The first one, ok. but SMG had a laughable plot and was game of the year, wasn't it?

Second, I loved the "frustrating difficulty" (damn noobs). And if I remember correctly, wit most other Nintendo games for Wii they critizised it was to easy.

Third, the graphics where outdated, but that can't take away much from the score with a game like FE, that's just so much not about eye candy

So overall, 6 is as low as I think anyone can rate this game. but than, their review is in no way at least attemping to be representative or an average of how gamers might feel about it or whatever. But why do waste all these words when it's already been said so well:

The review did have some valid points, the game was pretty much a gamecube game that did not take advantage of any Wii technology, nor did it move the franchise forward. However, the game also still had the top-notch gameplay, depth, and balance that the series is known for, and the score did not reflect that at all._BlueDuck_

But than, bad reviews (actually, it's not so much the review than the score, which is a good thin) happen to anybody, don't they? I mean, it's called Gamespot not the freakin Bible...

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#46 FFCYAN
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[QUOTE="FFCYAN"]

[QUOTE="hansolo14"]

Graphics identical to Gamecube??

thats should be a PRO since GC had the best graphics last gen and BTW that shouldnt matter too much for a review

we're talking about games notPixar movies lol

hansolo14

Alot of Radiant Dawn was copy/pasted as far as presentation goes. Even the dialog portions seemed like I was playing the same game.

As for the graphics, PoR had DECENTGC graphics, so knowingRD looks like a decent GC game comes off as rather lame. Intelligent Systems should have taken more time to give Radiant Dawn a more proper Wii debut.

did you expected waggle?? if the game works well it should stay the same

I was not debating the core aspects of Fire Emblem. Mearly that lack of anything new or done with the Wii's hardware in mind. The game was essentially unchanged from a system to system point of view in every way(maybe the CG was better, but that's about it). Asking if I expected waggle is clearly a trolling answer.

Basically, simply because a series works well does not gives developers an excuse to not improve on said series.

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#47 ShuichiChamp24
Member since 2009 • 5014 Posts

Gamespot is more critical usually of Games which is good in my opinion.

If you actually READ the review they say why or if you lack the attention span read their list of Cons:

Laughable plot

Frustrating difficulty will alienate newcomers

Doesn't even try to adapt and make use of the Wii

Little to no improvement graphically over its GameCube predecessor.

Sounds like a decent reason to give it a 6.

Durhamster

That ruined the game for me. The game is great and I like it. The plot though, not so great, it actually got me bored of the game. I would have given it a 7.5 or something.

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#48 gamenerd15
Member since 2007 • 4529 Posts

The game is good, it does nothing new at all. It does what any SRPG is supposed to be. Graphics aren't important in a game like this. Disgaea 3 got knocked for having graphics like the PS2. SRPG's are commonly harder than other games, it's the way they are made. It is like saying a platform has too much jumping in it. The game should have got at least a 7.

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#49 riou7  Moderator
Member since 2007 • 10842 Posts

yea this game is underated, they should give this game at least 8.0

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#50 hansolo14
Member since 2003 • 976 Posts

[QUOTE="hansolo14"]

[QUOTE="FFCYAN"]Alot of Radiant Dawn was copy/pasted as far as presentation goes. Even the dialog portions seemed like I was playing the same game.

As for the graphics, PoR had DECENTGC graphics, so knowingRD looks like a decent GC game comes off as rather lame. Intelligent Systems should have taken more time to give Radiant Dawn a more proper Wii debut.

FFCYAN

did you expected waggle?? if the game works well it should stay the same

I was not debating the core aspects of Fire Emblem. Mearly that lack of anything new or done with the Wii's hardware in mind. The game was essentially unchanged from a system to system point of view in every way(maybe the CG was better, but that's about it). Asking if I expected waggle is clearly a trolling answer.

Basically, simply because a series works well does not gives developers an excuse to not improve on said series.

"Asking if I expected waggle is clearly a trolling answer"

Im just tired of people arguing about waggle if it use motion, or poor development if they dont use it

it really doesnt change the hole experience

I loved "waggle" in Madworld and no pointer in LKS

thats all, both are excellent games that shouldnt be judged by its controls