flaw in TP's story??

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#1 Sword-Demon
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Well I was just thinking about the story in Twilight Princess, then something just didn't add up..

As we all know, when OoT ended, Zelda used the Ocarina of Time to send Link back to his childhood. Link then went to Hyrule Castle, found Zelda, and exposed Ganondorf's evil plan. Thus, the Door of Time was never opened, and Ganon never entered the sacred realm. Ganon was then sentanced to death by the sages. The sages attempted to kill him, but the Triforce of Power gave him unexpected strength. He was able to break free and kill one of the sages before he was sent to the twilight realm.

My question is this: How did Ganondorf gain the power of the Triforce if the Door of Time was never opened?

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#2 tommy--F
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I dunno man I'm way too tired to get my head around this. I don't recall Ganondorf having the power of the Triforce in TP? I haven't played it in a long time though...
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I....Don't know...
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I dunno man I'm way too tired to get my head around this. I don't recall Ganondorf having the power of the Triforce in TP? I haven't played it in a long time though...tommy--F

He definitely had a piece of the triforce.

this should refresh your memory: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3pg05K15qJE

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#5 Erebyssial
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I'm not sure how relevant this is to the question since Zelda timeline theories are so confusing, but there's a split timeline. One follows Link back to his childhood and the other after Ganondorf was defeated, trapped inside the Sacred Realm with the Triforce of Power and eventually released.
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#6 SER69
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Because ganondorf is one of the so called "choosen by the gods"?
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#7 Black_Knight_00
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People, stop banging your head on the wall over the Zelda continuum. The truth is: there is no continuum, every game must be considered as a parallel story, except those explicitly labeled as "sequels to..." like Majora's Mask.
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People, stop banging your head on the wall over the Zelda continuum. The truth is: there is no continuum, every game must be considered as a parallel story, except those explicitly labeled as "sequels to..." like Majora's Mask.Black_Knight_00
Of course there is a continuum they all fit toghether in some way but yes it is a bit confusing!
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#10 jomaster007
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if you remember correctly from OoT, whenever you returned to your child slef you still returned only after ganondorf had seized the triforce but had not yet asserted his dominion over the world, perhaps even zelda also sent you to this period and you were merely able to give all the people of hyrule a heads up and they dfeated ganondorf before his fully grasped the power he had
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People, stop banging your head on the wall over the Zelda continuum. The truth is: there is no continuum, every game must be considered as a parallel story, except those explicitly labeled as "sequels to..." like Majora's Mask.Black_Knight_00

im pretty sure that the split timeline has been confirmed by shiggy or someone. TP is confirmed to be part of that split. therefore, it is confirmed that TP is a sequel to OoT.

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if you remember correctly from OoT, whenever you returned to your child slef you still returned only after ganondorf had seized the triforce but had not yet asserted his dominion over the world, perhaps even zelda also sent you to this period and you were merely able to give all the people of hyrule a heads up and they dfeated ganondorf before his fully grasped the power he hadjomaster007

after ganondorf took the triforce, he chases after zelda and impa, so zelda goes into hiding. when link is sent back in time at the end, the final scene is him meeting with zelda at hyrule castle. she wouldnt be there if ganon had already taken the triforce.

but we're probably looking in too deep

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Actually the truth is that the Triforce of Power somehow chose him as it's wielder and saved him from his sentence. He didn't get it from anywhere, it just came to him.
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Considering the Temple of Time is in ruins by the time Twilight Princess takes places,it might be reasonable to assume that the Door of Time is already crumbled away and broken like the rest of the Temple when Ganondorf was suppose to be excecuted; the Door of Time wouldn't be holding anything back anymore,and as such,the power of the Triforce would go to who it was destined for.Unsurprisingly enough,one of those "destined" would be Ganondorf himself.
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Because ganondorf is one of the so called "choosen by the gods"?SER69
Why would the gods choose Ganon?
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I'm guessing when link went back to being a child, ganon already had the triforce of power. Why else would they sentence him to death? Just because some little kid said he was evil?
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[QUOTE="SER69"]Because ganondorf is one of the so called "choosen by the gods"?Litchie
Why would the gods choose Ganon?

Legend of the Triforce: when the triforce is split, the pieces seek out those who represent forces of power, wisdom, and courage. Ganon represents power more than anyone, so the triforce of power was bound to him. the triforce of wisdom to zelda, and courage to link.
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I'm guessing when link went back to being a child, ganon already had the triforce of power. Why else would they sentence him to death? Just because some little kid said he was evil?michael582

after ganondorf took the triforce, he chases after zelda and impa, so zelda goes into hiding. when link is sent back in time at the end, the final scene is him meeting with zelda at hyrule castle. she wouldnt be there if ganon had already taken the triforce.

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this. and quote from the game: "He was the leader of a band of theives who invaded Hyrule in the hopes of establishing dominion over the sacred realm... In all of his fury and might, he was blind to any danger, and thus he was exposed, subdued, and brought to justice" he was captured before he could enter the sacred realm
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If the legend in ocarina is to be believed, the triforce splits itself when the person who touches it does not have courage, wisdom and power in harmony.  So, for ganondorf to have the triforce of power he must have touched the triforce.  As such, i always assumed TP took place in the timeline where adult link defeats ganon and not in the childs timeline we see at the very end of the game.  I assumed that, after sealing ganondorf away in the sacred realm the sages, the sages held a proper trial for him and found him guilty and punishable by death.

If Tp actually takes place in the child timeline, then i guess the best explanation would be that the triforce came to ganondorfs aid.  Perhaps, like link and zelda were choosen to be the bearers of the other pieces, ganondorf had always been meant to hold the triforce of power.. and maybe he was not meant to be killed by anything but the other triforce bearers and the master sword.. so the triforce of power stopped him from dieing. 

LIke you, i don't find it very believable that after link returns to his youth that ganondorf still reaches the triforce from the sacred realm.

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#20 Black_Knight_00
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im pretty sure that the split timeline has been confirmed by shiggy or someone. TP is confirmed to be part of that split. therefore, it is confirmed that TP is a sequel to OoT.Sword-Demon
Actually, Miyamoto's behavior about every hypothetic timeline sounds more like: "Yeah... uhm... Good guess... that could be right, I don't really know...", because they never thought about a timeline at all.

My opinion, of course. Maybe Miyamoto will phone me tonight to give me some insight.

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wait a minute, in OoT the master sword was in the temple of time... now its in the woods! wait... it was in the woods in ALttP too! maybe OoT doesnt add up!
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wait a minute, in OoT the master sword was in the temple of time... now its in the woods! wait... it was in the woods in ALttP too! maybe OoT doesnt add up!garrett_duffman

The master sword, in TP, was in the temple of time.  It's just that the temple is in ruins and hyrule castle/castle town seemed to have moved.  Perhaps this was their attempt to explain how the master sword whent from being in a large temple to a pedastal in the woods?  That sounds neat.

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aonamato or whatever his name is confirmed that there is a split time theory. And he also stated that ocarina of time is the first zelda game in the zelda storyline. As u might know in oot the storyline breaks into two parts the part where link is sendt back in time, and a hyrule in adult timeline with no link. And since there is no link in the adult timeline there is no hero to save them thats why in zelda wind waker at the begining the book tells of a hero, a hero of time that would save hyrule but the hero never showed up, thats because the hero aka link was sendt back in time to childhood timeline. So i guess the gods flowed hyrule thats why hyrule is under water in wind waker, and it tells a story of a new hero. Thats one part of the timeline but as i said it splits after oot, in the other timeline link gets sendt back to childhood and that is when majoras mask comes in.
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aonamato or whatever his name is confirmed that there is a split time theory. And he also stated that ocarina of time is the first zelda game in the zelda storyline. As u might know in oot the storyline breaks into two parts the part where link is sendt back in time, and a hyrule in adult timeline with no link. And since there is no link in the adult timeline there is no hero to save them thats why in zelda wind waker at the begining the book tells of a hero, a hero of time that would save hyrule but the hero never showed up, thats because the hero aka link was sendt back in time to childhood timeline. So i guess the gods flowed hyrule thats why hyrule is under water in wind waker, and it tells a story of a new hero. Thats one part of the timeline but as i said it splits after oot, in the other timeline link gets sendt back to childhood and that is when majoras mask comes in. Darthdaver
was it miyamoto? somebody said that WW was set BEFORE OoT, making IT the first in the series
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[QUOTE="Darthdaver"]aonamato or whatever his name is confirmed that there is a split time theory. And he also stated that ocarina of time is the first zelda game in the zelda storyline. As u might know in oot the storyline breaks into two parts the part where link is sendt back in time, and a hyrule in adult timeline with no link. And since there is no link in the adult timeline there is no hero to save them thats why in zelda wind waker at the begining the book tells of a hero, a hero of time that would save hyrule but the hero never showed up, thats because the hero aka link was sendt back in time to childhood timeline. So i guess the gods flowed hyrule thats why hyrule is under water in wind waker, and it tells a story of a new hero. Thats one part of the timeline but as i said it splits after oot, in the other timeline link gets sendt back to childhood and that is when majoras mask comes in. garrett_duffman
was it miyamoto? somebody said that WW was set BEFORE OoT, making IT the first in the series

WW cant be the first for two reasons. First: at the start the books tells about a hero wearing green, that must mean there was a link before, the book refers the boy in green as "hero of time" and in oot links goes by the name hero of time, so oot must have happend before ww and hyrule is also floded in ww.

Secondly: The boy in WW stabs ganondorf in the head, he could not possibly have surived that he died in ww, he did not die in oot, so that means oot is the first because ganon died in ww.

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[QUOTE="garrett_duffman"][QUOTE="Darthdaver"]aonamato or whatever his name is confirmed that there is a split time theory. And he also stated that ocarina of time is the first zelda game in the zelda storyline. As u might know in oot the storyline breaks into two parts the part where link is sendt back in time, and a hyrule in adult timeline with no link. And since there is no link in the adult timeline there is no hero to save them thats why in zelda wind waker at the begining the book tells of a hero, a hero of time that would save hyrule but the hero never showed up, thats because the hero aka link was sendt back in time to childhood timeline. So i guess the gods flowed hyrule thats why hyrule is under water in wind waker, and it tells a story of a new hero. Thats one part of the timeline but as i said it splits after oot, in the other timeline link gets sendt back to childhood and that is when majoras mask comes in. Darthdaver

was it miyamoto? somebody said that WW was set BEFORE OoT, making IT the first in the series

WW cant be the first for two reasons. First: at the start the books tells about a hero wearing green, that must mean there was a link before, the book refers the boy in green as "hero of time" and in oot links goes by the name hero of time, so oot must have happend before ww and hyrule is also floded in ww.

Secondly: The boy in WW stabs ganondorf in the head, he could not possibly have surived that he died in ww, he did not die in oot, so that means oot is the first because ganon died in ww.

i say look it up.

EDIT: *I* looked it up and i got WW and 4 swords mixed up, my mistake 

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A split timeline was made during the ending of OoT. TP takes place after the child ending. It's implied that Link and Zelda told on Ganondorf and he was sent to the sages. I think he just simply got it after he was sent to the sages. He IS one of the chosen, like Link and Zelda.
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[QUOTE="garrett_duffman"][QUOTE="Darthdaver"]

was it miyamoto? somebody said that WW was set BEFORE OoT, making IT the first in the seriesgarrett_duffman

WW cant be the first for two reasons. First: at the start the books tells about a hero wearing green, that must mean there was a link before, the book refers the boy in green as "hero of time" and in oot links goes by the name hero of time, so oot must have happend before ww and hyrule is also floded in ww.

Secondly: The boy in WW stabs ganondorf in the head, he could not possibly have surived that he died in ww, he did not die in oot, so that means oot is the first because ganon died in ww.

i say look it up.

EDIT: *I* looked it up and i got WW and 4 swords mixed up, my mistake 

Yes, TMC and FS are officially before OoT.
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