Further Proof Wii HD is a far way off, Top Third Party Titles of 2009.

Data from NDP figures for 2009 ... things of particular interest:

- total revenue for games sold on Nintendo platforms was $3.23 billion
- Nintendo games accounted for $1.53 billion/47%.
- 72.4 million games were sold on Nintendo platforms
- 27.5 million games published by Nintendo were sold
- Mario & Sonic at the Olympic Winter Games, EA Sports Active, Lego Star Wars, Madden 10, Tiger Woods 10, Deca Sports, Game Party and Rock Band 2 were the biggest third party games on Wii

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So basically - All this whoo haa about a Wii HD we've been hearing last year - it should end. Why would Nintendo invest in making an HD console when clearly what they have is still selling, and selling damn well.

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On the topic of the top third party titles, its a bit sad games other games weren't able to be big sellers, though thats probably because of the nature of their design (Mostly niche titles).

I think its good to see another company being able to target that part of the Wii audience well with another good fitness game (where Jay swears by) - EA Sports Active.

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I also think its good that Tiger Woods PGA Tour 10 did well on the Wii, it deserves it. It played great (With WM+) and definitely was the definitive version of the game.

Thoughts?

I thought Nintendo fine without HD for a long time until I played Uncharted 2. That area where you fight the snow monster for the first time you could see a bigg temple covered in snow. I then pictured Drake wearing green and holding a sword and almost cried.

A christmas 11 release world wide would stick with tradition and with the big three potentional coming this year those teams would then be done with wii no matter what because, Mario, Metroid and Zelda take a long time. Nintendo is challegend to find away to get those Wii Sporters to buy a new console and HD won't cut it.

Christmas 11 is likely and though I still love my wii I think Nintendo could be in trouble without HD after 11

Its definitely not going to drop in 2010, but 2011 to 2012 is likely. But the next Wii is going to be more than HD. They said this. I think it might also provide a more intuitive storage medium other than discs, and be a competitively lower price than the PS3/360 bundled with their motion controllers.

1. New console every 5 years
2. Nintendo is still losing ground with last holiday being less then what they wanted
3. Nintendo can't afford for it's system to get too dated, the same way they don't wait until the DS is considered old before a new version pops out

We hear of a new console this year and we're able to buy it in 2011

Nintendo did very well this year. I say this becauseNintendo had so much more working against them yet theystill managed to be on top, despite the competitions very strong and aggressive action to redesign consoles and cut prices by huge amount, the economic downturn and changing value of currency, and most of all they did not have that many big big games except for a few.

If anything this shows us Wii is NOT a fad, its not going to fade away. Nintendo will bring a new console when the time is right. I do not think the 5 year plan is in effect anymore. Its more about how the market decides, there should not be a specific set amount of years.

Nintendo did very well this year. I say this becauseNintendo had so much more working against them yet theystill managed to be on top, despite the competitions very strong and aggressive action to redesign consoles and cut prices by huge amount, the economic downturn and changing value of currency, and most of all they did not have that many big big games except for a few.

If anything this shows us Wii is NOT a fad, its not going to fade away. Nintendo will bring a new console when the time is right. I do not think the 5 year plan is in effect anymore. Its more about how the market decides, there should not be a specific set amount of years.

thedude-

Nintendo did awful this year

They hoped that a price reduction and bringing Mario out sooner rather then later would have corrected their slide but they're still going down and need a huge announcement of hardware to correct things

Nintendo's profits are down 25%, what's even worse is that their Wii sales are down 3 million units even with the reduced price (with some retailers offing them for as low as 99 dollars this holiday)

The Wii peaked in 2008 and then started it's slide, so far all of Nintendo's efforts to stop that slide have not worked, if they wait much longer they'll lose the momentum from the Wii entirely.

With the majority having HD sets I expect Nintendo to announce a new console soon (before winter 2011)
I wouldn't be surprised to see the console announced and released the same year. Nintendo's said many times that the only reason we saw the Wii so early is because they wanted people's reactions to the motion controllers, if they didn't need that research we would have seen the Wii much later.

1. New console every 5 years
2. Nintendo is still losing ground with last holiday being less then what they wanted
3. Nintendo can't afford for it's system to get too dated, the same way they don't wait until the DS is considered old before a new version pops out

We hear of a new console this year and we're able to buy it in 2011

Jaysonguy

1- yeah we can see the PS2 follows it strictly. there's no rule on when a new console should arrive. if they're still making enough profit to remain, they won't go "oh no it's been five years, even though we don't need to, we WILL make a new console!". besides, the wii's only 3 years old.

2- you make it sound like the transition from SNES to N64. nintendo's still on top of the charts.

3- from what i'm seeing, the DSi is basically a multimedia DS. they didn't update the hardware, not to the point of being considered something brand new. it's just like the PSP 3000, for example. and it won't be "too dated" if it still sells more than well.

If anything this shows us Wii is NOT a fad, its not going to fade away. Nintendo will bring a new console when the time is right. I do not think the 5 year plan is in effect anymore. Its more about how the market decides, there should not be a specific set amount of years.thedude-

But as for when a new console will come out.... I think they'll play the same game they did with the Wii. Make it affordable. That means they'll wait for their desired hardware costs to come down before they do anything.

What Nintendo has done with the Wii is working for them, but they're going to try to do better. Every successful business knows that there's always room for improvement. One of the obvious obstacles for them is third parties who are unwilling to develop on the Wii because of its weaker hardware. Nintendo knows this, and I think they'll address it sooner rather than later. Probably not this year, but maybe next year.

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Nintendo did very well this year. I say this becauseNintendo had so much more working against them yet theystill managed to be on top, despite the competitions very strong and aggressive action to redesign consoles and cut prices by huge amount, the economic downturn and changing value of currency, and most of all they did not have that many big big games except for a few.

If anything this shows us Wii is NOT a fad, its not going to fade away. Nintendo will bring a new console when the time is right. I do not think the 5 year plan is in effect anymore. Its more about how the market decides, there should not be a specific set amount of years.

Jaysonguy

Nintendo did awful this year

They hoped that a price reduction and bringing Mario out sooner rather then later would have corrected their slide but they're still going down and need a huge announcement of hardware to correct things

Nintendo's profits are down 25%, what's even worse is that their Wii sales are down 3 million units even with the reduced price (with some retailers offing them for as low as 99 dollars this holiday)

The Wii peaked in 2008 and then started it's slide, so far all of Nintendo's efforts to stop that slide have not worked, if they wait much longer they'll lose the momentum from the Wii entirely.

With the majority having HD sets I expect Nintendo to announce a new console soon (before winter 2011)
I wouldn't be surprised to see the console announced and released the same year. Nintendo's said many times that the only reason we saw the Wii so early is because they wanted people's reactions to the motion controllers, if they didn't need that research we would have seen the Wii much later.

Their profits and sales are down, but so is every console on the market, I just listed reasons why it was so hard for Nintendo, most of those apply to the HD consoles as well. You act as if the other consoles are doing better but they are not. Wii outsold them by a lot once again on hardware and softwareand Nintendo still made money. You act as if Nintendo is struggling against a competition that is beating them.

It was a hard year for Nintendo, but they accomplished much on the business side and showed that the Wii is still the most successful out of three even in the toughest of times. And I say this as we come into a software year where Mario, Zelda, and Metroid are all coming out. Nintendo needed more blockbuster software and now they finally woke up and delivered that. If Nintendo makes another console by your date so be it, but it will be because the market is forcing them.

I suggest reading up on how Sony and MS are doing in their gaming divisions.

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[QUOTE="thedude-"]

Nintendo did very well this year. I say this becauseNintendo had so much more working against them yet theystill managed to be on top, despite the competitions very strong and aggressive action to redesign consoles and cut prices by huge amount, the economic downturn and changing value of currency, and most of all they did not have that many big big games except for a few.

If anything this shows us Wii is NOT a fad, its not going to fade away. Nintendo will bring a new console when the time is right. I do not think the 5 year plan is in effect anymore. Its more about how the market decides, there should not be a specific set amount of years.

thedude-

Nintendo did awful this year

They hoped that a price reduction and bringing Mario out sooner rather then later would have corrected their slide but they're still going down and need a huge announcement of hardware to correct things

Nintendo's profits are down 25%, what's even worse is that their Wii sales are down 3 million units even with the reduced price (with some retailers offing them for as low as 99 dollars this holiday)

The Wii peaked in 2008 and then started it's slide, so far all of Nintendo's efforts to stop that slide have not worked, if they wait much longer they'll lose the momentum from the Wii entirely.

With the majority having HD sets I expect Nintendo to announce a new console soon (before winter 2011)
I wouldn't be surprised to see the console announced and released the same year. Nintendo's said many times that the only reason we saw the Wii so early is because they wanted people's reactions to the motion controllers, if they didn't need that research we would have seen the Wii much later.

Their profits and sales are down, but so is every console on the market, I just listed reasons why it was so hard for Nintendo, most of those apply to the HD consoles as well. You act as if the other consoles are doing better but they are not. Wii outsold them by a lot once again on hardware and softwareand Nintendo still made money. You act as if Nintendo is struggling against a competition that is beating them.

It was a hard year for Nintendo, but they accomplished much on the business side and showed that the Wii is still the most successful out of three even in the toughest of times. And I say this as we come into a software year where Mario, Zelda, and Metroid are all coming out. Nintendo needed more blockbuster software and now they finally woke up and delivered that. If Nintendo makes another console by your date so be it, but it will be because the market is forcing them.

I suggest reading up on how Sony and MS are doing in their gaming divisions.

Yeah I do, that's why I know you're wrong

Since this is the Wii forum I can't talk about the others but you're going to want to see how those other two are doing, I have no idea why you thnk Nintendo still isn't sliding since I explained they're pulling in 25% less money and selling 3 million fewer consoles

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[QUOTE="Jaysonguy"]

Nintendo did awful this year

They hoped that a price reduction and bringing Mario out sooner rather then later would have corrected their slide but they're still going down and need a huge announcement of hardware to correct things

Nintendo's profits are down 25%, what's even worse is that their Wii sales are down 3 million units even with the reduced price (with some retailers offing them for as low as 99 dollars this holiday)

The Wii peaked in 2008 and then started it's slide, so far all of Nintendo's efforts to stop that slide have not worked, if they wait much longer they'll lose the momentum from the Wii entirely.

With the majority having HD sets I expect Nintendo to announce a new console soon (before winter 2011)
I wouldn't be surprised to see the console announced and released the same year. Nintendo's said many times that the only reason we saw the Wii so early is because they wanted people's reactions to the motion controllers, if they didn't need that research we would have seen the Wii much later.

Jaysonguy

Their profits and sales are down, but so is every console on the market, I just listed reasons why it was so hard for Nintendo, most of those apply to the HD consoles as well. You act as if the other consoles are doing better but they are not. Wii outsold them by a lot once again on hardware and softwareand Nintendo still made money. You act as if Nintendo is struggling against a competition that is beating them.

It was a hard year for Nintendo, but they accomplished much on the business side and showed that the Wii is still the most successful out of three even in the toughest of times. And I say this as we come into a software year where Mario, Zelda, and Metroid are all coming out. Nintendo needed more blockbuster software and now they finally woke up and delivered that. If Nintendo makes another console by your date so be it, but it will be because the market is forcing them.

I suggest reading up on how Sony and MS are doing in their gaming divisions.

Yeah I do, that's why I know you're wrong

Since this is the Wii forum I can't talk about the others but you're going to want to see how those other two are doing, I have no idea why you thnk Nintendo still isn't sliding since I explained they're pulling in 25% less money and selling 3 million fewer consoles

http://www.wired.com/gamelife/2010/01/december-npd-spin/

Nintendo may have seen a temporary drop in profits, but Nintendo almost did nothing this year in comparison to competition which involed redesigning whole consoles, cutting prices majorly, and many more extreme tactics. Nintendo dropped the price and had 3 big games... If they have to do tat little to stay on top what does that mean for 2010 a year that is better for Nintendo in every way.

This is allowed right because I am not comparing them or anything I am just giving information on Wii and such.

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[QUOTE="thedude-"] Awful? Compared to who?

Their profits and sales are down, but so is every console on the market, I just listed reasons why it was so hard for Nintendo, most of those apply to the HD consoles as well. You act as if the other consoles are doing better but they are not. Wii outsold them by a lot once again on hardware and softwareand Nintendo still made money. You act as if Nintendo is struggling against a competition that is beating them.

It was a hard year for Nintendo, but they accomplished much on the business side and showed that the Wii is still the most successful out of three even in the toughest of times. And I say this as we come into a software year where Mario, Zelda, and Metroid are all coming out. Nintendo needed more blockbuster software and now they finally woke up and delivered that. If Nintendo makes another console by your date so be it, but it will be because the market is forcing them.

I suggest reading up on how Sony and MS are doing in their gaming divisions.

thedude-

Yeah I do, that's why I know you're wrong

Since this is the Wii forum I can't talk about the others but you're going to want to see how those other two are doing, I have no idea why you thnk Nintendo still isn't sliding since I explained they're pulling in 25% less money and selling 3 million fewer consoles

http://www.wired.com/gamelife/2010/01/december-npd-spin/

Nintendo may have seen a temporary drop in profits, but Nintendo almost did nothing this year in comparison to competition which involed redesigning whole consoles, cutting prices majorly, and many more extreme tactics. Nintendo dropped the price and had 3 big games... If they have to do tat little to stay on top what does that mean for 2010 a year that is better for Nintendo in every way.

This is allowed right because I am not comparing them or anything I am just giving information on Wii and such.

The Nintendo Wii was the only console in 2009 that did not show growth

This is over a year in the making, the Wii peaked towards the end of 2008 and has been going down since then, even with Mario pulling in huge sales numbers it's numbers are down across the board

The only thing that's going to bring them back up is a new console

The Nintendo Wii was the only console in 2009 that did not show growth

This is over a year in the making, the Wii peaked towards the end of 2008 and has been going down since then, even with Mario pulling in huge sales numbers it's numbers are down across the board

The only thing that's going to bring them back up is a new console

Jaysonguy

And even then, they're still doing well with consoles, just not as well as they were before. It's like going from an A+ on the first test in a class to an A on the next.

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Yeah I do, that's why I know you're wrong

Since this is the Wii forum I can't talk about the others but you're going to want to see how those other two are doing, I have no idea why you thnk Nintendo still isn't sliding since I explained they're pulling in 25% less money and selling 3 million fewer consoles

Jaysonguy

http://www.wired.com/gamelife/2010/01/december-npd-spin/

Nintendo may have seen a temporary drop in profits, but Nintendo almost did nothing this year in comparison to competition which involed redesigning whole consoles, cutting prices majorly, and many more extreme tactics. Nintendo dropped the price and had 3 big games... If they have to do tat little to stay on top what does that mean for 2010 a year that is better for Nintendo in every way.

This is allowed right because I am not comparing them or anything I am just giving information on Wii and such.

The Nintendo Wii was the only console in 2009 that did not show growth

This is over a year in the making, the Wii peaked towards the end of 2008 and has been going down since then, even with Mario pulling in huge sales numbers it's numbers are down across the board

The only thing that's going to bring them back up is a new console

You, sir, are very ignorant. Nintendo is still selling more than double the consoles of their nearest competitior the PS3. Not only that, Nintendo is selling them for a profit while the PS3 is still lose money on every single console.

You are only comparing Nintendo to themselves-- like a stock investor would. You are judging Nintendo by their own success standard, but compared to their competition they are still miles ahead. You also stated that some retailers were selling the Wii for as low as $99. I would like to see proof of that statement. I know Walmart provided $50 gift cards for the Wii, but you act like this is an isolated event. Pretty much every retailer right now is offering $50 gift cards with the purchase of an X-box. I would like to see you quote all of your 'research' in system wars. Did you see the latest Microsoft stock report-- the picture presented of the games division wasn't the rosiest. In terms of Game Industry, Nintendo is utterly dominating their competition and making money at it to. Nintendo's software sales are still very strong-- they utterly dominated 2009 sales charts. What reality are you living in? For a recession year, Nintendo did very good. Their stock values have actually raised slightly based on their latest quarterly report. The only thing tempering their success is that 3rd party developers are so hesitant to develop AAA titles.

Nintendo has been profiting this whole time, unlike the competitiors. Do you think this cash will just sit in a vacuum? As long as Nintendo is still selling more than double the consoles of the nearest competitor, they have no need to move to a Wii HD. Meanwhile, they are stacking up cash in R&D for their next system. Nintendo will do just fine. They knew they misfired with the HD graphics thing, but they had to do that because the Wii was such a big risk of them to take and they wanted it to be a profitable venture. Expect them to come out with much better hardware standards in the next generation-- but it won't just be a Wii-HD. Meanwhile, casual games are selling just fine in SD graphics.

The video game industry is a sinking ship right now. Games are simply too risky and expensive to make, with consumers expecting too many features. Nintendo is the only company that has been able to place their feet on solid ground.

If Nintendo is having problems, I would like to have some of their problems too.

[QUOTE="thedude-"]

[QUOTE="Jaysonguy"]

Yeah I do, that's why I know you're wrong

Since this is the Wii forum I can't talk about the others but you're going to want to see how those other two are doing, I have no idea why you thnk Nintendo still isn't sliding since I explained they're pulling in 25% less money and selling 3 million fewer consoles

Jaysonguy

http://www.wired.com/gamelife/2010/01/december-npd-spin/

Nintendo may have seen a temporary drop in profits, but Nintendo almost did nothing this year in comparison to competition which involed redesigning whole consoles, cutting prices majorly, and many more extreme tactics. Nintendo dropped the price and had 3 big games... If they have to do tat little to stay on top what does that mean for 2010 a year that is better for Nintendo in every way.

This is allowed right because I am not comparing them or anything I am just giving information on Wii and such.

The Nintendo Wii was the only console in 2009 that did not show growth

This is over a year in the making, the Wii peaked towards the end of 2008 and has been going down since then, even with Mario pulling in huge sales numbers it's numbers are down across the board

The only thing that's going to bring them back up is a new console

So they had a better holiday than than ever before. They broke the record and in a single month sold almost as much as a competitor did all year. I totally agree that 2009 they lost some momentum but this is clear proof that they are already picking up from that. Software is another indication that the 2009 slump is a thing of the past. You could say thats just holidays, but look at hardware sales for Jan. 2010 in half a months time the Wii has almost sold as much as the entire month of January of 2009.

So Nintendo did awful because......a mere 50 price cut did more than an entire console redesign and major price cut with loads of bundles.

As Jordan said its like going from an A+ to an A. So you are wrong about them doing awful. If anything they did great for surviving such an insurmountable challenge and are already throwing off the dust.

Personally, I think the Vitality sensor is going to be a flop. I just don't see how the Wii sensor will be incorporated into gaming. There are already plenty of good relaxation products out there, so how is Nintendo going to differentiate themselves? I am a skeptic until I see the software.

However, I think Nintendo has a great line-up otherwise for 2010. It should be a good year for them.

"Nintendo's Wii home system sold more than 3.8 million units in December, a new all-time single-month U.S. sales record."

So they had a better holiday than than ever before. They broke the record and in a single month sold almost as much as a competitor did all year.

thedude-

Wait, so you're on my side now?

Nintendo had the biggest month of sales ever and STILL ended up losing ground in 2009

Jordan's also wrong about the whole "A" thing because Nintendo isn't one person, it's a company and losing 25% means fewer things you can work on, fewer employees you can hire, and fewer projects you can spend money on.

At 99 dollars the Wii was going to sell a lot this holiday season but let's talk about Jordan's idea that the market is getting saturated with consoles, he's right. That then brings us to software and the Wii has the worst attach rate this generation so Nintendo is losing money because they just can't sell as many consoles as they want and they're unable to make that money up because they're unable to sell their software as steadily as they want.

It all points to a new console very soon

Nintendo had the biggest month of sales ever and STILL ended up losing ground in 2009

Jordan's also wrong about the whole "A" thing because Nintendo isn't one person, it's a company and losing 25% means fewer things you can work on, fewer employees you can hire, and fewer projects you can spend money on.Jaysonguy

[QUOTE="Jaysonguy"]Nintendo had the biggest month of sales ever and STILL ended up losing ground in 2009

Jordan's also wrong about the whole "A" thing because Nintendo isn't one person, it's a company and losing 25% means fewer things you can work on, fewer employees you can hire, and fewer projects you can spend money on.JordanElek

Bang/Zoom to the moon Alice

Ok, let's say Nintendo makes 100 dollars in 2008 ok?

They say "Hey let's put 50 dollars into games, 20 into workers, 20 into advertising, and 10 in the bank

Now 2009 rolls around with 25% less money, well they wont put money in the bank, that'll hurt their ability to gain leverage for certain deals but now they have to cut another 15 dollars from games, people, and advertising.

Also when they look forward if they are hitting the saturation point like you say then they can't plan to come back to the 100 dollar a year lifestyle. In order to reclaim that 100 dollar a year lifestyle they need the kind of jump that's only caused by a new console.

[QUOTE="Jaysonguy"]Nintendo had the biggest month of sales ever and STILL ended up losing ground in 2009

Jordan's also wrong about the whole "A" thing because Nintendo isn't one person, it's a company and losing 25% means fewer things you can work on, fewer employees you can hire, and fewer projects you can spend money on.JordanElek

They say "Hey let's put 50 dollars into games, 20 into workers, 20 into advertising, and 10 in the bank

Now 2009 rolls around with 25% less money, well they wont put money in the bank, that'll hurt their ability to gain leverage for certain deals but now they have to cut another 15 dollars from games, people, and advertising.

Also when they look forward if they are hitting the saturation point like you say then they can't plan to come back to the 100 dollar a year lifestyle. In order to reclaim that 100 dollar a year lifestyle they need the kind of jump that's only caused by a new console.

Jaysonguy

Okay... So how is this a horrible thing again? They'll still budget their money accordingly. Sure, they have less profit money to work with, but it's still profit. That means that whatever is counted as profit this year is ABOVE the $100 that they spent last year. Those expenses become part of the day-to-day operational cost. They're not still counted as profit once they go towards expenses in the company.

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[QUOTE="Jaysonguy"]

Yeah I do, that's why I know you're wrong

Since this is the Wii forum I can't talk about the others but you're going to want to see how those other two are doing, I have no idea why you thnk Nintendo still isn't sliding since I explained they're pulling in 25% less money and selling 3 million fewer consoles

Jaysonguy

http://www.wired.com/gamelife/2010/01/december-npd-spin/

Nintendo may have seen a temporary drop in profits, but Nintendo almost did nothing this year in comparison to competition which involed redesigning whole consoles, cutting prices majorly, and many more extreme tactics. Nintendo dropped the price and had 3 big games... If they have to do tat little to stay on top what does that mean for 2010 a year that is better for Nintendo in every way.

This is allowed right because I am not comparing them or anything I am just giving information on Wii and such.

The Nintendo Wii was the only console in 2009 that did not show growth

This is over a year in the making, the Wii peaked towards the end of 2008 and has been going down since then, even with Mario pulling in huge sales numbers it's numbers are down across the board

The only thing that's going to bring them back up is a new console

They did have slightly increased sales (SLIGHTLY!!!!!) and they broke a world record with NSMBW. Did the other 2 do that? I dont know what you are talking about Jaysonguy? This is a business and in a business you aim to sell the most. Nintendo has sold the most hardware compared to the PS3 and 360. Taking that into consideration from a business standpoint Nintendo wins. Whether you personally enjoy their current line up of games and strategy is a whole other story. Correct me if im wrong but the wii has a total worldwide sale of 67million does it not?(somewhere around there) The 360 and PS3 are around 35 million. Combine the two together and the wii barely beats the two in number of sales. If thats not succesfull then your expectations for hardware sales are a bit too high IMO. Once again this pertains to only to hardware. Whether you like the games and nintendos direction is a whole different story and slightly off topic.

[QUOTE="thedude-"]

"Nintendo's Wii home system sold more than 3.8 million units in December, a new all-time single-month U.S. sales record."

So they had a better holiday than than ever before. They broke the record and in a single month sold almost as much as a competitor did all year.

Jaysonguy

Wait, so you're on my side now?

Nintendo had the biggest month of sales ever and STILL ended up losing ground in 2009

Jordan's also wrong about the whole "A" thing because Nintendo isn't one person, it's a company and losing 25% means fewer things you can work on, fewer employees you can hire, and fewer projects you can spend money on.

At 99 dollars the Wii was going to sell a lot this holiday season but let's talk about Jordan's idea that the market is getting saturated with consoles, he's right. That then brings us to software and the Wii has the worst attach rate this generation so Nintendo is losing money because they just can't sell as many consoles as they want and they're unable to make that money up because they're unable to sell their software as steadily as they want.

It all points to a new console very soon

Nintendo having the biggest month ever shows that they are already getting out of this slump which was the whole point of this arguement. It started in November and even in January 2010 the trend continues. If were on an upward slope back to or exceeding the months of 2008 what does that mean Jasonguy?

You are completely ignoring the fact that the Wii was in this slump to begin with,for reasons that will not be reasons in 2010 or will be better combatted by Nintendo. I honestly do not knowhow clear I could be on that.

Also Jordan is not wrong because they have spared no expense on 2010's offerings, so that means not fewer projects. There are AAA titles across the board. If anything Nintendo forcasted the slump in 2009 which was not awful. The only way you can claim Wii had an awful year is by saying you have some insane standard in which case the competing consoles did beyond awful as they sold a fraction of the units.

Edit: Guess what, the Wii did not lose 25% of its revenue. You are using extremely old data. The Wii was 5.7% lower than last year. http://www.gamasutra.com/view/feature/4247/npd_behind_the_numbers_december_.php?page=3

Sorry but the Wii did not sell at $99. Please provide proof of a signifcant number of Wii's selling at $99. The console still had big profits which could not be achieved at $99, unless you actually give us proof.

The Wii recently has a lower attach rate but attach rates fluctuate up and down so to say it has the worse attach rate this generation is also incorrect. Wii's attach ratehas been second place most of this generation. You also cannot twist attach rates with software sales. Almost naturally the console withthea huge lead in hardwareis going to have a much harder time keeping the same attach rates as consoles with much smaller ratios. Regardless of the tie ratio Nintendo had a bigger software year than the both of the competition combined. Wii also sold more software Life to Date than the previously leading competition. All your information on Wii selling bad is from the begining of the year. Look at the year end data which is the truth. Wii picked up momementum during the holidays and END UP SELLING MORE SOFTWARE IN 2009 than in 2008. Literally the more I look into this the more information points to momentum speading up rapidly.

http://www.gamasutra.com/view/feature/4247/npd_behind_the_numbers_december_.php?page=4

Total sales are what matter which means they are fully capable of selling software still. I am not disputing whether they will have a new console soon. It may or may not I do not know. What I am disputing is your analyzation of Wii sales. You pick and choose information that caters to what you want to believe but its entirely different from the reality, which is Wii hit a slump but still managed to be extremely successful which only speaks highly of their performance. You also gave wrong information and have not proven some big points like Wii selling at 99 dollars in an amount that actually matters.

Nintendo will never support HD, or 360-like power.

By the time they think it's cheap enough to produce a console that rivals the 360 (basically, they need to make at least $100 profit on a $250 system), it'll be 2016 and we'll all (err, I mean everyone else) be playing 3D games that make Crysis look like crap. Nintendo will say to themselves, "What's the point in making the Wii 2 more powerful when it'll look like crap compared to the competition anyway?" and they'll just stick with Gamecube power and 480p for another ten years. Miyamoto doesn't think there's a difference between the graphics of Twilight Princess and a 360 game anyway. Besides, Wii games have bettar art stylez than poop brown and gray like Halo and Uncharted.

I thought Nintendo fine without HD for a long time until I played Uncharted 2. That area where you fight the snow monster for the first time you could see a bigg temple covered in snow. I then pictured Drake wearing green and holding a sword and almost cried.

A christmas 11 release world wide would stick with tradition and with the big three potentional coming this year those teams would then be done with wii no matter what because, Mario, Metroid and Zelda take a long time. Nintendo is challegend to find away to get those Wii Sporters to buy a new console and HD won't cut it.

Christmas 11 is likely and though I still love my wii I think Nintendo could be in trouble without HD after 11

they don't need it. I'm with Iwata.

is it possible to just make some sort of HD addon that you connect by USB to make 720p graphics? that would be great instead of a new console.

From what I've seen, there won't be an HD console soon coming from Nintendo, it would of been nice, but it looks like the 5 year, new console trend is gone. Lets see what happens this year.