High Voltage Software Does It Again!

It seems that High Voltage software is staying with the status quo

Astro Boy gets 5's all around (4.5 on Gamespot) and what are the major problems?

Bad combat
Bad graphics
Bad level design

These pop up in their games all the time now. When they make a game from scratch it does poorly and when they make a game from licensed material it does poorly

Now that they've shown their true colors on many occasions is anyone going to fall for their hype anymore?

B-B-But Teh Grinder and teh Gladiator A.D. !!!

This, my friends, is the kind of character you will be playing with in The Grinder:

From Wikipedia:

AJ: An urban explorer who had a very bad experience and is looking for revenge. AJ is the sole survivor of a Slasher attack. She knows that it's only a matter of time before the unkillable monster that slaughtered her sorority sisters on a weekend camping trip catches up with her to finish the job.

B-B-But Teh Grinder and teh Gladiator A.D. !!!

This, my friends, is the kind of character you will be playing with in The Grinder:

From Wikipedia:

AJ: An urban explorer who had a very bad experience and is looking for revenge. AJ is the sole survivor of a Slasher attack. She knows that it's only a matter of time before the unkillable monster that slaughtered her sorority sisters on a weekend camping trip catches up with her to finish the job.

shoryuken_

Oh no! Two more bad games!

Well lets see who also makes bad movie games, Ubisoft, Activision, EA. So of course that means all thier games like AC2 and MW2 could not possibly live up to the hype. Bad games have come from Nintendo as well so we should all not fall for the NSMB hype. Sepewrath

It seems that High Voltage software is staying with the status quo

Astro Boy gets 5's all around (4.5 on Gamespot) and what are the major problems?

Bad combat
Bad graphics
Bad level design

These pop up in their games all the time now. When they make a game from scratch it does poorly and when they make a game from licensed material it does poorly

Now that they've shown their true colors on many occasions is anyone going to fall for their hype anymore?

Jaysonguy

Astroboy did not suck because of HVS, it sucked because it was a MOVIE BASED GAME.

If you didn't already know, 95% (approx.) of games based on Movies sucked regardless of who developed them.

Take TMNT for example. That game was based on a movie and it was really bad. What to know who made it, Ubisoft Montreal, the same guys that made the Rainbow Six Vegas games, which were spectacular.

I don't want to hear about how bad HVS did until the Grinder comes out, and only if the game was bad, and don't even use the Conduit (A game not near as bad as yousay, play it before bashing it) as a reason toassume quality.

But since we haven't seen it in a while, alot of progress must of been made on it.

Since the only co-op monster shooter that I know of are the Left 4 Dead games, and like one mod for Unreal Tournament, it will not have to worry about being "generic."

I wouldn't condemn High Voltage JUST for Astro Boy....

Not to say that I'm still completely unimpressed by High Voltage.

I would never count a licensed game against any company, Most games take longer to make than movies so it's to be expect that most movie based games are not good. When they are normally started after the movie. One of the reasons why Wolverine was a better game movie was because they started the game before the movie, HarlockJC

The problem is that HvS has not delivered on any of their games to date. Obviously, I don't want them (or any developer for that matter) to fail. However, they have yet to prove to me that their games are worth the purchase.

[QUOTE="shoryuken_"]

B-B-But Teh Grinder and teh Gladiator A.D. !!!

This, my friends, is the kind of character you will be playing with in The Grinder:

From Wikipedia:

AJ: An urban explorer who had a very bad experience and is looking for revenge. AJ is the sole survivor of a Slasher attack. She knows that it's only a matter of time before the unkillable monster that slaughtered her sorority sisters on a weekend camping trip catches up with her to finish the job.

Oh no! Two more bad games!

I will not hype for a game from High Voltage. But if it turns out good, I will buy it.

[QUOTE="Sepewrath"]Well lets see who also makes bad movie games, Ubisoft, Activision, EA. So of course that means all thier games like AC2 and MW2 could not possibly live up to the hype. Bad games have come from Nintendo as well so we should all not fall for the NSMB hype. WAIW

They should've just ported Astroboy Omega Factor to the Wii. :)

Now that is a great game.

High Voltage Software joins Obsidian Entertainment as the most overrated developer in my eyes.

Well lets see who also makes bad movie games, Ubisoft, Activision, EA. So of course that means all thier games like AC2 and MW2 could not possibly live up to the hype. Bad games have come from Nintendo as well so we should all not fall for the NSMB hype. Sepewrath

Yeah I think it's afe to not consider this when considering HVS's other titles. If you don't like The Conduit that'slegitimate (I personally love it and am hyped about their next two), but a quick movie adaptation I would think isn't indiciative of their IP efforts.

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[QUOTE="shoryuken_"]

B-B-But Teh Grinder and teh Gladiator A.D. !!!

This, my friends, is the kind of character you will be playing with in The Grinder:

From Wikipedia:

AJ: An urban explorer who had a very bad experience and is looking for revenge. AJ is the sole survivor of a Slasher attack. She knows that it's only a matter of time before the unkillable monster that slaughtered her sorority sisters on a weekend camping trip catches up with her to finish the job.

nini200

Oh no! Two more bad games!

i agree

im gonna buy the grinder cause im gonna support them for atleast trying to make good games on the wii

This, my friends, is the kind of character you will be playing with in The Grinder:

From Wikipedia:

AJ: An urban explorer who had a very bad experience and is looking for revenge. AJ is the sole survivor of a Slasher attack. She knows that it's only a matter of time before the unkillable monster that slaughtered her sorority sisters on a weekend camping trip catches up with her to finish the job.

shoryuken_

Now that they've shown their true colors on many occasions is anyone going to fall for their hype anymore?

Jaysonguy

Ok...

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Movie game. Who the hell cares?

Funny, people like Jason told them to stop overhyping games, they did, and people like Jasonguy still get mad at them.TheLordMagnus

It seems that High Voltage software is staying with the status quo

Astro Boy gets 5's all around (4.5 on Gamespot) and what are the major problems?

Bad combat
Bad graphics
Bad level design

These pop up in their games all the time now. When they make a game from scratch it does poorly and when they make a game from licensed material it does poorly

Now that they've shown their true colors on many occasions is anyone going to fall for their hype anymore?

Jaysonguy

Coz you know devs are jumping over themselves to make exclusive FPS on Wii,.....

why do you care? I can't believe you're taking so much happiness in them producing a bad movie tie in game.

look Conduit got a 6.5 and has a 69 average, a lot of people enjoy, enuff so SEGA is happy with the 270k or so of sales (which is on par with all Wii FPS except COD and RS)

I get it you don't like HVS, you don't like the Conduit but i still don't know if i've ever heard you say you've played the Conduit extensively and disliked for the things you hear is bad about it, but tried out with your hands. you can rent games for like $5-6 nowadays.

i can understand someone trying their games and not liking them, but all i hear you say is things you can easily hear from others.

Another movie game turns out mediocre...who is surprised by this? Developers know that little kids will see the movie and want the the game, so they put in very little effort. An easy buck is all it's meant to be.

Were you really expecting Astro Boy to get a decent score? Really, Jason, you should know better than that.

And because you obviously knew this game was gonna' get a bad score, why do you bother trying to rub it into peoples' faces that HVS did a bad job. We all knew they would. I don't get why you have to consistently shove your hatred for HVS into other peoples' faces. It's getting pretty ridiculous.

By the way, have you even played The Conduit? I don't get why you bash games like The Conduit when you've never actually played them.

I don't think it is fair to judge them based on a licensed title. Still, none of the High Voltage games appeal to me.

Were you really expecting Astro Boy to get a decent score? Really, Jason, you should know better than that.

HipYoungster42

The last Astro Boy game scored over 9 here

I expected them to at least hit the mid 7's since the formula is right there! lol

The whole "oh it's a movie game so it's got to be bad" doesn't hold any water either

Does anyone seriously think that if Nintendo wanted to make a movie game it would be bad? People have said well look at EA and Activision, they're not devs.

Know who works on movie games?

Heavy Iron Studios and Luxoflux, are either of those studios trying to show that they can do the best work in gaming these days? No, they're just a dev who can put together a Kung Fu Panda, UP, or Wall-E game and make it work right for the most part

High Voltage says they're a real dev, they "understand" this hardware

So then why is every single effort of theirs sub par at best?

[QUOTE="HipYoungster42"]

Were you really expecting Astro Boy to get a decent score? Really, Jason, you should know better than that.

Jaysonguy

The last Astro Boy game scored over 9 here

I expected them to at least hit the mid 7's since the formula is right there! lol

The whole "oh it's a movie game so it's got to be bad" doesn't hold any water either

Does anyone seriously think that if Nintendo wanted to make a movie game it would be bad? People have said well look at EA and Activision, they're not devs.

Know who works on movie games?

Heavy Iron Studios and Luxoflux, are either of those studios trying to show that they can do the best work in gaming these days? No, they're just a dev who can put together a Kung Fu Panda, UP, or Wall-E game and make it work right for the most part

High Voltage says they're a real dev, they "understand" this hardware

So then why is every single effort of theirs sub par at best?

Wasn't the last Astroboy game on a handheld?

Wasn't the last Astroboy game NOT based on a movie?

I had fun playing the Conduit online. Sure there are problems that HVS didn't fix like spawning in a game frozen and unable to do anything but reset the Wii. But when I was actually playing the game, Marathon after Marathon, I had fun blasting foes with the weapons in hand.

I will say this only once more, PLAY THE CONDUIT BEFORE BASHING THE GAME AND IT'S DEVELOPER. You would be surprised to see that it doesn't suck near as much as you think merely because Gamespot callED it "generic."

That's great. You expect AAA scores from a movie game.OreoMilkshake

I don't know, Treasure was able to do MUCH better with Astro boy. If it's a quality developer, they will make a quality licensend game

Others to mention

RARE: Goldeneye, Viva Pinata

Treasure: Both Bleach fighting games

It seems that High Voltage software is staying with the status quo

Astro Boy gets 5's all around (4.5 on Gamespot) and what are the major problems?

Bad combat
Bad graphics
Bad level design

These pop up in their games all the time now. When they make a game from scratch it does poorly and when they make a game from licensed material it does poorly

Now that they've shown their true colors on many occasions is anyone going to fall for their hype anymore?

Jaysonguy

I want the grinder and the conduit 2 to be better, but i just dont know. Im really hoping the grinder is up to snuff. it doesnt have to get a 9, and 8 would be fine

I would rather wait and see how there prenier titles do than their licensed stuff. Not to say that it will be good but most licensed stuff is crap.

A troll thread, nice one, Jason. Hopefully, when Gladiator and Grinder gets great reviews, I'll never see you again here. Its not like anyone was hyping Astro boy.Pices

[QUOTE="OreoMilkshake"]That's great. You expect AAA scores from a movie game.Pikminmaniac

I don't know, Treasure was able to do MUCH better with Astro boy. If it's a quality developer, they will make a quality licensend game

Others to mention

RARE: Goldeneye, Viva Pinata

Treasure: Both Bleach fighting games

[QUOTE="TheLordMagnus"]Funny, people like Jason told them to stop overhyping games, they did, and people like Jasonguy still get mad at them.JordanElek

Lord Magnus' post still is a valid criticism despite the caveat because Jayson ended his OP by asking, "Now that they've shown their true colors on many occasions is anyone going to fall for their hype anymore?"

No-one bought the hype with Astro Boy because there WAS no hype. If a person's aim is to stop others from believing the hype surrounding a dev's games, then surely the sensible thing to do is show them an example of how a hyped game by that dev ended up being bad. This is not the case with Astro Boy.

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[QUOTE="OreoMilkshake"]That's great. You expect AAA scores from a movie game.garrett_duffman

I don't know, Treasure was able to do MUCH better with Astro boy. If it's a quality developer, they will make a quality licensend game

Others to mention

RARE: Goldeneye, Viva Pinata

Treasure: Both Bleach fighting games

[QUOTE="garrett_duffman"][QUOTE="Pikminmaniac"]

I don't know, Treasure was able to do MUCH better with Astro boy. If it's a quality developer, they will make a quality licensend game

Others to mention

RARE: Goldeneye, Viva Pinata

Treasure: Both Bleach fighting games

BrunoBRS

[QUOTE="BrunoBRS"][QUOTE="garrett_duffman"] not to mention capcom, they did just about all of disneys games for the old consolesgarrett_duffman

[QUOTE="BrunoBRS"][QUOTE="garrett_duffman"] not to mention capcom, they did just about all of disneys games for the old consolesgarrett_duffman

Yes, good game makers make good games even if they're licensed characters.

Even not so great developers make good games from movie properties.

Avalanche Software did a great job making one of the best games early in the Wii's life with Chicken Little.

There's no reason a game featuring licensed characters needs to be bad

B-B-But Teh Grinder and teh Gladiator A.D. !!!

This, my friends, is the kind of character you will be playing with in The Grinder:

From Wikipedia:

AJ: An urban explorer who had a very bad experience and is looking for revenge. AJ is the sole survivor of a Slasher attack. She knows that it's only a matter of time before the unkillable monster that slaughtered her sorority sisters on a weekend camping trip catches up with her to finish the job.

shoryuken_

[QUOTE="TheLordMagnus"]Funny, people like Jason told them to stop overhyping games, they did, and people like Jasonguy still get mad at them.JordanElek

I doubt even Miyamoto could make a good license game when he had only 11 months to do it. Sepewrath

I agree with you about time and money constraints, though. But I don't think that's the only problem. Movie-game developers either aren't given the freedom to make a good game because they're required to follow the movie's storyline exactly, or they simply don't have that one good game concept to make a good game. Most movie-games just put the events of the movie into a game, and that doesn't work very well in most cases. Games need to be thought of as games first.... Trying to cram the conventions of a movie genre into the mold of a particular game genre just doesn't work.

My point is that good developers know this and are able to adapt well. But you're right that movie-games have a lot of outside restrictions that independent games don't have, and one of them might be the publisher or movie rights owner telling them exactly how they want the game to be made. I don't really know.

I still think that good developers will be able to work within those constraints to make a good game.... but we rarely see good devs being given the chance to do that these days. Most good licensed games aren't based directly on movies but rather on franchises that also happen to be in the movies, such as Batman Arkham Asylum, The Ghostbusters Game, and The Force Unleashed. Those games are generally more successful, even if they're not amazingly successful, mainly because they're designed as games first.