HM moves Yay or Nay?

I have always detested Hidden Machine moves since Pokemon Blue. I mean sure now these days in Pokemon versions Dmd/Prl/Plm the majority of them are good moves to utilize such as Waterfall(the only water type move dealing a good 80 points of damage on one opponent with a 100% accuracy that I know of), Rock Smash (lowers defenses). But the fact that you have to waste your time to go to some old farts house to delete them to teach new moves is such aheadache. The creators of Pokemon should list them as natural abilities, much like how all Pokemon have special abilities (Chimchar has Blaze, Piplup has Torrent and so forth). I mean come on, its a given that a Pidgeot or Staraptor can fly you to another city and that a Blastoise or Gyarados can surf you to another city or area. A Hitmonchan and Medicham can smash rocks out of your way and a Snorlax or Ursaring can sure as hell use their strength to moves boulders. These HMs are the mostinconvenient moves and are a complete waste of space!!!!

for the most part, i dont like them. surf and waterfall are commonly used however. they arent all bad.

surf and fly are good, but the others mmm nay

Then you can just put fly and defog on some flying type if you think you need them (defog is for noobs XD). Hegna1

surf and fly are good, but the others mmm nay

TIGERLIONX

against a real opponent, fly is horrible, as it gives them a free turn to do whatever they please.

as far as HM slaves go, you can get all 8 on just two pokemon. bibarrel and chatot.

[QUOTE="Hegna1"]Then you can just put fly and defog on some flying type if you think you need them (defog is for noobs XD). bullet189

I'd just like to state that Bibarel makes the best HM mule ever. Seriously if you have a Bibarel it learns 4 HMS by itself (though it can learn all 6 that are actually needed). Then you can just put fly and defog on some flying type if you think you need them (defog is for noobs XD). Anyway Waterfall and Surf are actually used in Competitive battling as Waterfall is one of the best physical water moves. Surf is a reasonable special water move. HMs aren't really that bad in the end. Hegna1

That's what I always did.

In battles Surf was the only good HM. Fly was also pretty good too, imo.

yep bibarel hm slave for the win :lol:

[QUOTE="Hegna1"]Then you can just put fly and defog on some flying type if you think you need them (defog is for noobs XD). bullet189

Well those who guessed their way through the cave are lucky. All in all those effin HM moves made it super difficult to defeat the Pokemon league. All of those people who had Blue andRed know exactly how HARD the original Pokemon league was!!!! WTF!

Putting a physical water move on pokemon like Gyrados, or Feraligatr is awesome, i would say waterfall is more usefull then surf in most cases O_O.

Yeah, most HM moves are annoying. I don't play Pokemon competitively, so I just want to load my Pokemon with attack moves, not some stat debuffers or weak moves like Rock Smash and Defog. At least you can delete them if you want, but it is still a pain. There should be a better way to deal with this. Either put them all as TMs that can be bought in stores (and are made available once you unlock it initially), or be natural moves like the TC said. Still doesn't change my undying love for Pokemon though.

Man, That idea of the natural abilities is awesome.

I bet they made bibarel just for the purpose of HM muling.

And yeah, gamefreak needs to think harder about their stuff if they want to keep these games in the market, i mean seriously. I`m not complaining about reclycling the system and stuff, i`m talking about a lot of stuff that is unecessary (HMs for example) and only makes the games annyoing. If they stop being lazy and put their head to work, i bet they can get out some pretty good ideas.

The pokeradar is quite useful, but that thing of having to walk to recharge it, its annyoing. And why the hell cant you use it on your bike?

Fishing rods... why the hell you need to press A once to land a pokemon? This is extremamely annoying when you are trying to find a Feebas They should had kept it like it was in G/S/C when you just had to use the rod and watch the pokemon bite the bait.

Edit: I just had this idea. Instead of having an especific pokemon with the especific stuff... why not a ballon for flying and a boat for surfing? If you can keep a bike inside your bag, you can very well keep those. It saves people from the trouble of having to switch to a flying pkmn every time they want to fly somewhere.

surf and fly are good, but the others mmm nay

TIGERLIONX

Well those who guessed their way through the cave are lucky. All in all those effin HM moves made it super difficult to defeat the Pokemon league. All of those people who had Blue andRed know exactly how HARD the original Pokemon league was!!!! WTF!

Don_Rafaelo

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surf and fly are good, but the others mmm nay

the_wet_mop

against a real opponent, fly is horrible, as it gives them a free turn to do whatever they please.

as far as HM slaves go, you can get all 8 on just two pokemon. bibarrel and chatot.

Nay, they close down so many options.

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[QUOTE="TIGERLIONX"]

surf and fly are good, but the others mmm nay

rin_risque19

against a real opponent, fly is horrible, as it gives them a free turn to do whatever they please.

as far as HM slaves go, you can get all 8 on just two pokemon. bibarrel and chatot.

fly is also good in a 2 vs 2 battle and if you have a flying pokemon and another with surf or earthquake

[QUOTE="rin_risque19"]

[QUOTE="the_wet_mop"]

against a real opponent, fly is horrible, as it gives them a free turn to do whatever they please.

as far as HM slaves go, you can get all 8 on just two pokemon. bibarrel and chatot.

zagert

fly is also good in a 2 vs 2 battle and if you have a flying pokemon and another with surf or earthquake

I dont much like them, but there a nessesity. I'd rather have a team rocket ballon, brings back nostalgia from my days of watching the show.