Houston, we have three Wii problems

There are three little niggling problems that, easily fixable though they may be, still affect the Wii for one reason or another. They are as follows:

1. [COLOR=Red]The Storage Space Problem[/COLOR]

Nintendo has gone from being dismissive - stating that only "geeks and otaku" have a problem with the Wii's 512 MB of storage space not being enough - all the way to perfunctorily tossing a bone to those aforementioned geeks and japan-freaks in the form of the much-anticipated non-solution they announced at the Nintendo Conference on October 2nd.

But let's rewind a bit to when Reggie apparently told us we were in for a solution better than a hard drive. Well, okay that's not exactly what he said and was more of a sloppy mistranslation from Spanish by an anonymous poster on GoNintendo that was then quickly spread around gaming sites as the gospel truth, as I pointed out before, but the hype train had already left the station.

The train then promptly crashed in Tokyo as Iwata revealed the solution to to be that now "you will be able to purchase and download Virtual Console and WiiWare software directly from the Shopping Channel to an SD memory card. [COLOR=LightBlue]We will also make it so that you will need to go through just one process in order to transfer Virtual Console or WiiWare software stored on an SD card to the Wii console and then be able to play it[/COLOR]."

No-one at Nintendo seems to have told Reggie that, who nigh-simultaneously insisted at the North American Conference that "Iwata is addressing the problem of Wii storage. Soon you will be able to download and store virtual console and WiiWare titles directly on your SD card, [COLOR=LightBlue]and play them off your SD card[/COLOR]."

Being able to download games directly to an SD card is good, but hardly sufficient when we still won't be able to play games off of our SD cards. It still requires transferring games from the SD card in order to play them and putting them back on the SD card when we're finished. And so the problem remains.

2. [COLOR=Red]Wii Points Denominations[/COLOR]

It's a matter of constant annoyance to me that I cannot purchase Wii Points in denominations corresponding to the prices they offer their VC and WW games for. If a game is 600 Wii Points, why must I purchase 1000 points to buy it, and then have 400 unusable points left over?

Why is it so difficult to allow us to buy point quantities of 500, 600, 700, 800, and 900 in addition to their 1000, 2000, 3000, and 5000? I understand the limitations of retail cards, but when we're purchasing points online, there is no valid reason why we aren't allowed to choose our own amount, just like you do when you make a withdrawal from the bank.

Additionally, I don't know how it is in Europe, but in Canada, they list the price of Wii Points in American dollars rather than Canadian dollars. Thus, not only does the exchange rate mean you're paying more for them than what Nintendo says you are, but your credit card is charging you a fee for the conversion on top of that. Is it so bloody difficult to offer Wii Points in the user's native currency so they don't get charged extra fees in addition to the exchange rate raising costs and 13% tax?!

This is just part of the larger problem of user-unfriendliness to Nintendo's online experience. From the rampant cheating in MKWii to the notoriouslynon-functional SSBB online and the inability to chat with or write your own messages to people not on your friend list, these are easily fixable problems that remains curiously unfixed, just like the storage problem.

3. [COLOR=Red]Lack of New Core IP[/COLOR]

Here is a comparison of the games Nintendo released for the GameCube and Wii in their first three years of existence, respectively:

As you can see, the first few years of the GameCube's existence brought us new IP from Nintendo like Animal Crossing, Eternal Darkness, and Pikmin. The Wii has brought us Wii Sports, Link's Crossbow Training, and Endless Ocean. Even if you consider the other games in the Wii Series to be new IP, Nintendo's new lineup is still a disappointment. Wii Play is no Pikmin.

Nintendo seems to have a singular focus on very casual titles. There's nothing wrong with casual games; Pikmin might be described as one. The problem is that Nintendo seems to have the idea that core gamers should be content with their regurgitations of old franchises or join the casual crowd in flailing away with Wii Music rather than working on ways to introduce casual gamers to old and new core franchises. By that, I don't mean dumbing down gameplay, making games so easy that a wayward breeze could play (as they said in a recent 1UP Yours podcast), and rereleasing GameCube games with tacked on Wii controls for $35+.

If you haven't gotten the news yet, Iwata announced that Nintendo will be "[COLOR=LightBlue]completely redesigning seven GameCube titles so that, starting from the end of this year, we will launch them as Wii titles[/COLOR]." He means that they'll be taking GC games that are already playable thanks to the Wii's much-touted backwards compatibility and tacking on Wii controls. They'll cost about $35 in Japan, which means they'll be at least $40 in North America, around $70 in Europe, and no less than $150 in Australia.

Can Nintendo do something other than a) porting games with tacked-on controls (i.e. Twilight Princess and now Donkey Kong & Pikmin), b) regurgitating old franchises/stabbing dead horses (i.e. Mario Super Sluggers, Mario Party 8, My Pokemon Ranch, Pokemon Battle Revolution, SSBB, Animal Crossing) c) releasing non-game software (i.e. DSi face-blending program, DSi sound editing program, DSi picture scrap-booking program, WiiSpeak channel)? Sure, there's been some good stuff (i.e. MP3, Galaxy, Mario Kart) but there's been nothing new besides very casual titles, and there's nothing new on the horizon either.

Nintendo is rolling in the dough, so it shouldn't be much trouble to hire some people and assign task forces to make new IP without the word "Wii" in front of it, address the Nintendo Points problem before it affects the DSi too, and actually fix the storage space problem. So why haven't we seen it? Do you have anything to add to this list?

While I would like a better storage solution, I've realized it won't come untill Wii HD. The new system will make using the SD card easier for VC games, so that's enough for me.

Wii points issue is hardly a problem. I'm constantly sitting at 0 points, as there's always stuff to buy (and I still don't have everything I want yet).

And the new IP argument.... well... what they've done is enough for me. I'll say it: I like established titles I know are good over unkown titles.

While I would like a better storage solution, I've realized it won't come untill Wii HD. The new system will make using the SD card easier for VC games, so that's enough for me.

Wii points issue is hardly a problem. I'm constantly sitting at 0 points, as there's always stuff to buy (and I still don't have everything I want yet).

And the new IP argument.... well... what they've done is enough for me. I'll say it: I like established titles I know are good over unkown titles.

Mike1978Smith

1. This is just specualtion at this point. We don't know what's going on with the SD cards.

2. This isn't really a problem, but it's annoying none the less. I can see the issue if you live in Canada though.

3. This IS a problem. Nintnedo has been pretty lame this year. Thank God for third parties.

I like established titles I know are good over unkown titles.
Mike1978Smith

When it comes from a known entity, and one that is known for quality like Nintendo, you're pretty much guaranteed a good game, even if you've never heard of the characters before. C'mon, their franchises are getting a little tired. They've put on a lot of mileage. This is the company that made Pikmin, Mario, Zelda, Metroid, EarthBound, Kirby, Fire Emblem, etc. Knowing the fruits that came from Nintendo, don't you want to see what else they can come up with?

The Wii Points issue is part of the greater problem of the lack of user-friendliness to Nintendo's online experience, which also encompasses the Friend Code system, how you can communicate with other players, and the way online matches are set up (i.e. poorly). I should probably type more about that but I'm tired right now.

1. This is just specualtion at this point. We don't know what's going on with the SD cards.

goblaa

It's not speculation. I don't know how it can get any clearer than Iwata saying you will now be able to download directly to the SD card, but you need to transfer the game from the SD card to the Wii to play.

But it is specualtion. We've heard from people at Nintnedo and IGN say "download to SD card" and we've heard from people at iGN and Nintnedo say "play directly from SD card".

There's a lot of confusion right now and no one knows what's right and what's wrong.

But it is specualtion. We've heard from people at Nintnedo and IGN say "download to SD card" and we've heard from people at iGN and Nintnedo say "play directly from SD card".

There's a lot of confusion right now and no one knows what's right and what's wrong.

goblaa

Which do you trust more: what Reggie says Iwata is doing, or what Iwata says he's doing?

1. Really? That's the first time I have heard someone say that. I think it's too far away to know specifics for sure

2. No. Just no... Even denominations make it easier to process, that is all.

3. True enough here though. But you gotta run out of ideas eventually I suppose. There are a bunch of good games that you haven't mentioned even if they aren't considered new "franchises"

I disagree with everything you said.

If you look, Wii has more games than Gamecube. Why would i care if they are new franchises or not?

I disagree with everything you said.

If you look, Wii has more games than Gamecube. Why would i care if they are new franchises or not?

I agree with you, especially point 2. Only being able to buy wii points 1 000 at a time makes every game cost $10. Sure, after buying a Super Nintendo game, you have 200 points left over, but they aren't good for anything, so to buy another game, you have to spend another $10BuryMe

They know what they're doing......if you have points leftover you're going to be more likely to buy more games.... It's not any oversight they've made. They are just being clever here in making money.

If we are going to speculate about the SD card thing, let's get right into it.

I think Nintendo does have a plan for your SD card. And, you're right about a transfer from the card to the system.

The trick here is how that is done. All Nintendo has to do is change the limit on how much you can store on the system yourself. (I think they are going to set aside something like 120 blocks of what is currently available.)

Why? You should already know that.

Because the system is going to transfer the game you want to play into memory when you play it and delete it when you are done.

What that means is slightly less immediate memory to store your stuff on the console. It also means there will be a slight delay to load your game before you play.

But, the transfer itself will be automated and easy for you--outside of the wait.

It's a workaround and it isn't perfect. But, it's not nearly as awful as you make it sound. It will do what most people really want; it will put an end to constantly clicking through menus to shuttle software onto the console manually. In the end, waiting for an automated process is quicker and easier than managing it yourself.

That's how it's going to work.

1. Really? That's the first time I have heard someone say that. I think it's too far away to know specifics for sure

2. No. Just no... Even denominations make it easier to process, that is all.

firefox59

1. Iwata said it before I did. ;) You cannot play off SD cards. The solution is that you will now be able to download directly to SD cards. That's it.

2. "Easier to process"? How is it easier to process a payment of $10-ish than it is to process a payment of $9-ish? There have recently been advances in technology such that companies can charge amounts for products outside of factors of 10. Credit card companies can process all interactions and are quite happy for it.

If you look, Wii has more games than Gamecube. Why would i care if they are new franchises or not?

jjr10

The Wii has more games than GameCube, but it also has lower quality:

The gap in quality is increasing. You might care about new core IP because overall, the quality of the games they're producing has gotten worse compared to the GC era. And while the Ninty's GC library increased in quality between Year 2 and Year 3, Ninty's Wii library decreased in quality.

The only new IP they're producing is casual and they're not doing much else besides that except endless sequels, non-game software, and ports with tacked-on Wii controls. Many people enjoy fresh, new games rather than just the constant milking of old franchises.

I can't do anything more other than to quote to you Yahtzee Croshaw:

The Wii's game lineup consists of the usual Nintendo staples of Zelda, Metroid, Mario, etc., because Nintendo's policy seems to be that if you beat a dead horse vigourously enough, its constant twitching and juttering will at least give a semblance of activity.

A world without Nintendo would be a far bleaker one than this and yet there's something about them I find incredibly infuriating. They've got enough money to buy the earth and all the heavens and a fanbase so devoted that they can release a game about a sewage-encrusted rapist and it would still sell like billio. And while they sit in this position that game devs worldwide with slews of new and interesting game concepts would happily hack off their wedding-tackle to occupy, all they do is constantly remake the same games.Yahtzee Croshaw

All Nintendo has to do is change the limit on how much you can store on the system yourself. (I think they are going to set aside something like 120 blocks of what is currently available.)

orange808

120 blocks? That's already not enough. Off the top of my head, I can already think of one game that wouldn't work for: Strong Bad, which was about 320 each iteration. I think other WiiWare games exceed 120 blocks as well. Every one I've downloaded has.

So you think the great solution that will make things simpler is to FURTHER limit how much we can store on our systems, and do that regardless of whether we have an SD card or not? That's just adding to the problem.

Sorry for the double-posting, guys. I was wondering why others were doing that. Seems it's a GameSpot glitch, and it says I don't have permissions to delete the first of the double posts. :roll:

For number 1&3, don't kill your chickens before they hatch.Head_of_games

Explain plz

I disagree.bob_newman

^^ This.

Storage solution is fine -- not ideal, but it works.
Wii Point denominations -- doesnt matter really -- Your just being picky
Lack of Core Games -- :lol:

There are three little niggling problems that, easily fixable though they may be, still affect the Wii for one reason or another. They are as follows:

1. [COLOR=Red]The Storage Space Problem[/COLOR]

Nintendo has gone from being dismissive - stating that only "geeks and otaku" have a problem with the Wii's 512 MB of storage space not being enough - all the way to perfunctorily tossing a bone to those aforementioned geeks and japan-freaks in the form of the much-anticipated non-solution they announced at the Nintendo Conference on October 2nd.

But let's rewind a bit to when Reggie apparently told us we were in for a solution better than a hard drive. Well, okay that's not exactly what he said and was more of a sloppy mistranslation from Spanish by an anonymous poster on GoNintendo that was then quickly spread around gaming sites as the gospel truth, as I pointed out before, but the hype train had already left the station.

The train then promptly crashed in Tokyo as Iwata revealed the solution to to be that now "you will be able to purchase and download Virtual Console and WiiWare software directly from the Shopping Channel to an SD memory card. [COLOR=LightBlue]We will also make it so that you will need to go through just one process in order to transfer Virtual Console or WiiWare software stored on an SD card to the Wii console and then be able to play it[/COLOR]."

No-one at Nintendo seems to have told Reggie that, who nigh-simultaneously insisted at the North American Conference that "Iwata is addressing the problem of Wii storage. Soon you will be able to download and store virtual console and WiiWare titles directly on your SD card, [COLOR=LightBlue]and play them off your SD card[/COLOR]."

Being able to download games directly to an SD card is good, but hardly sufficient when we still won't be able to play games off of our SD cards. It still requires transferring games from the SD card in order to play them and putting them back on the SD card when we're finished. And so the problem remains.

2. [COLOR=Red]Wii Points Denominations[/COLOR]

It's a matter of constant annoyance to me that I cannot purchase Wii Points in denominations corresponding to the prices they offer their VC and WW games for. If a game is 600 Wii Points, why must I purchase 1000 points to buy it, and then have 400 unusable points left over?

Why is it so difficult to allow us to buy point quantities of 500, 600, 700, 800, and 900 in addition to their 1000, 2000, 3000, and 5000? I understand the limitations of retail cards, but when we're purchasing points online, there is no valid reason why we aren't allowed to choose our own amount, just like you do when you make a withdrawal from the bank.

Additionally, I don't know how it is in Europe, but in Canada, they list the price of Wii Points in American dollars rather than Canadian dollars. Thus, not only does the exchange rate mean you're paying more for them than what Nintendo says you are, but your credit card is charging you a fee for the conversion on top of that. Is it so bloody difficult to offer Wii Points in the user's native currency so they don't get charged extra fees in addition to the exchange rate raising costs and 13% tax?!

This is just part of the larger problem of user-unfriendliness to Nintendo's online experience. From the rampant cheating in MKWii to the notoriouslynon-functional SSBB online and the inability to chat with or write your own messages to people not on your friend list, these are easily fixable problems that remains curiously unfixed, just like the storage problem.

3. [COLOR=Red]Lack of New Core IP[/COLOR]

Here is a comparison of the games Nintendo released for the GameCube and Wii in their first three years of existence, respectively:

As you can see, the first few years of the GameCube's existence brought us new IP from Nintendo like Animal Crossing, Eternal Darkness, and Pikmin. The Wii has brought us Wii Sports, Link's Crossbow Training, and Endless Ocean. Even if you consider the other games in the Wii Series to be new IP, Nintendo's new lineup is still a disappointment. Wii Play is no Pikmin.

Nintendo seems to have a singular focus on very casual titles. There's nothing wrong with casual games; Pikmin might be described as one. The problem is that Nintendo seems to have the idea that core gamers should be content with their regurgitations of old franchises or join the casual crowd in flailing away with Wii Music rather than working on ways to introduce casual gamers to old and new core franchises. By that, I don't mean dumbing down gameplay, making games so easy that a wayward breeze could play (as they said in a recent 1UP Yours podcast), and rereleasing GameCube games with tacked on Wii controls for $35+.

If you haven't gotten the news yet, Iwata announced that Nintendo will be "[COLOR=LightBlue]completely redesigning seven GameCube titles so that, starting from the end of this year, we will launch them as Wii titles[/COLOR]." He means that they'll be taking GC games that are already playable thanks to the Wii's much-touted backwards compatibility and tacking on Wii controls. They'll cost about $35 in Japan, which means they'll be at least $40 in North America, around $70 in Europe, and no less than $150 in Australia.

Can Nintendo do something other than a) porting games with tacked-on controls (i.e. Twilight Princess and now Donkey Kong & Pikmin), b) regurgitating old franchises/stabbing dead horses (i.e. Mario Super Sluggers, Mario Party 8, My Pokemon Ranch, Pokemon Battle Revolution, SSBB, Animal Crossing) c) releasing non-game software (i.e. DSi face-blending program, DSi sound editing program, DSi picture scrap-booking program, WiiSpeak channel)? Sure, there's been some good stuff (i.e. MP3, Galaxy, Mario Kart) but there's been nothing new besides very casual titles, and there's nothing new on the horizon either.

Nintendo is rolling in the dough, so it shouldn't be much trouble to hire some people and assign task forces to make new IP without the word "Wii" in front of it, address the Nintendo Points problem before it affects the DSi too, and actually fix the storage space problem. So why haven't we seen it? Do you have anything to add to this list?

clicketyclick

wii has more games new then gc ,, secondly gc games play on the wii so whats the problem ,, they are/did come with new games disaster day of crisis , , wii series and big brain acadamy also endless ocean

plus all the other good ips

and you can play games off sd card lol you just said so lol then you go and say you cant? that does not make sense in fact half that post didnt quite add up ,

wii is better then gc because it has more good games more of them and it has already sold more then the gc could ever sale ,

so ya we completely disagree all those problems were already had a solution to along time ago , except the wii storage which will in spring 09

so ya practically , you wasted gamespots forums just to post wii hate topics, lol i dont know how many of these complaints are posted before gamestop finally steps in to take action and start one thread and lock all the others or just lock the others , all wii hate threads or complaint threads belong in one forum. that is system wars now good day dont be suprised if they lock this

i agree with every thing you said. this past conference was a joke.nintendorulez13

:shock: -- what? How damn spoilt are people. There is a ton of software coming out, Calm the hell down.

I agree for the 2nd part.I bought 1000 points directly with my credit card last winter and it actually cost me like 14$. Considering in that time can dollar was close to usa dollar,it should have cost me like 10 and few cents. Can't imagine now how much it would cost to buy points now with a lower dollar,bleh.

I guess i'll check on eBay for cheap 2000 points card instead.

Storage solution is fine -- not ideal, but it works.
Wii Point denominations -- doesnt matter really -- Your just being picky
Lack of Core Games -- :lol:

Haziqonfire

It was lack of NEW core IP. Reading is fun. ^____^

The storage "solution" does nothing significantly different from what we have already. If it "works" for you, then it worked for you already before they announced their "solution".

And point denominations do matter. As a few people have noted already in this thread, it assures that you will effectively be paying $10 for a $5 game, and for Canadians it will be more like $14 dollars for a $5 game. Just because it doesn't affect you personally doesn't mean it doesn't affect others; just because you yourself don't suffer from it doesn't mean it isn't a problem.

and you can play games off sd card lol you just said so lol then you go and say you cant? that does not make sense in fact half that post didnt quite add up ...you wasted gamespots forums just to post wii hate topics, lol i dont know how many of these complaints are posted before gamestop finally steps in to take action and start one thread and lock all the others or just lock the others , all wii hate threads or complaint threads belong in one forum. that is system wars now good day dont be suprised if they lock this

mariokart64fan

How is this system wars? I am not comparing the Wii to other companies' platforms. Instead of demonising anyone who is not wholly satisfied with Nintendo products, you should recognise that voicing criticism of the Wii is not "wii hate". Criticism isn't hate.

I never said that you could play off SD cards. Judging from your complete mischaracterisation of my thread and the things I said in it, I would suggest you actually try reading it this time.

Oh, and by the way, Eternal Darkness is a second-party title. ;)

:shock: -- what? How damn spoilt are people. There is a ton of software coming out, Calm the hell down.

Haziqonfire

You're the only one who is so irate that you have to insult people as being "spoilt" and tell them to "calm the hell down" instead of actually responding calmly and rationally to their points. :)

[QUOTE="Haziqonfire"]

Storage solution is fine -- not ideal, but it works.
Wii Point denominations -- doesnt matter really -- Your just being picky
Lack of Core Games -- :lol:

clicketyclick

It was lack of NEW core IP. Reading is fun. ^____^

The storage "solution" does nothing significantly different from what we have already. If it "works" for you, then it worked for you already before they announced their "solution".

And point denominations do matter. As a few people have noted already in this thread, it assures that you will effectively be paying $10 for a $5 game, and for Canadians it will be more like $14 dollars for a $5 game. Just because it doesn't affect you personally doesn't mean it doesn't affect others; just because you yourself don't suffer from it doesn't mean it isn't a problem.

and you can play games off sd card lol you just said so lol then you go and say you cant? that does not make sense in fact half that post didnt quite add up ...you wasted gamespots forums just to post wii hate topics, lol i dont know how many of these complaints are posted before gamestop finally steps in to take action and start one thread and lock all the others or just lock the others , all wii hate threads or complaint threads belong in one forum. that is system wars now good day dont be suprised if they lock this

mariokart64fan

How is this system wars? I am not comparing the Wii to other companies' platforms. Instead of demonising anyone who is not wholly satisfied with Nintendo products, you should recognise that voicing criticism of the Wii is not "wii hate". Criticism isn't hate.

I never said that you could play off SD cards. Judging from your complete mischaracterisation of my thread and the things I said in it, I would suggest you actually try reading it this time.

Oh, and by the way, Eternal Darkness is a second-party title. ;)

:shock: -- what? How damn spoilt are people. There is a ton of software coming out, Calm the hell down.

Haziqonfire

You're the only one who is so irate that you have to insult people as being "spoilt" and tell them to "calm the hell down" instead of actually responding calmly and rationally to their points. :)

Wrong.

[QUOTE="bob_newman"]I disagree.Haziqonfire

^^ This.

Storage solution is fine -- not ideal, but it works.
Wii Point denominations -- doesnt matter really -- Your just being picky
Lack of Core Games -- :lol:

I'm with them.

Well I'm just fine with the storeage solution, since I'm sure if this doesn't seem to do the trick they can go back and actually refine the system so we can play games and use data stored on the SD cards, so I'm not overly bothered by it (especially since most games I want to buy for the VC I already own lol). The Wii Points (or Nintendo Points) issue is meh to me at this point, so what if you have 400 left over points when you buy 1,000 points? Next time you buy another 1,000 and spend 600 you'll have 800 left over, its not like those points are going anywhere right? I can see the the whole thing about being in Canada and paying more being an issue for you, but it doesn't affect all Wii owners though so its not a major issue. However I do think Nintendo should fix that though.

The last issue regarding games I think is rather pointless, especially when you claim that the Gamecube introduced new IPs like Animal Crossing when in fact Animal Crossing had been around since the N64 (just never made it to the states). Nintendo has done a great job getting most of its key franchises out and already assured us that more is to come in the next year or so. There are a few that haven't made an appearance yet like Star Fox or Pikmin but we have heard that they are in the works and all we can do now is just wait and see. Nintendo's Press Conference was great this year, they announced 4 new IPs (I believe its 4) brought back Sin and Punishment 2 (still need to get that on the VC actually) and Punch Out! I think the major issue for the Wii when it comes to game is the terrible third party support and the fact that most developers for awhile there were content to throw random shovelware onto the console and call it good. As of late though we've all seen a change and noticed plenty of good games coming out from companies other than Nintendo and its only going to get better.

The only thing Nintendo's latest console has going against it is its graphical abilities at this point, however that's slowly becoming a nonissue since more developers are taking the platform seriously and starting to give it its own development team to make sure the game is well done on the console (see Call of Duty: World at War and Star Wars: The Force Unleashed). I'd say by the end of next year we'll be sitting alot better in terms of games and we'll have more news (if not launch dates or the games themselves) on those key franchises from Nintendo as well as a large amount of great third party games.

You're the only one who is so irate that you have to insult people as being "spoilt" and tell them to "calm the hell down" instead of actually responding calmly and rationally to their points. :)

clicketyclick

I agree with Bob_Newman.

[QUOTE="clicketyclick"]

You're the only one who is so irate that you have to insult people as being "spoilt" and tell them to "calm the hell down" instead of actually responding calmly and rationally to their points. :)

Haziqonfire

I agree with Bob_Newman.

I can agree with that.

About the points-Nintendo can't be held responsible for exchange rates but some investigation into how and why people in different regions end up paying more for both VC and disc games would be fair enough.

Storage was NEVER gonna satisfy unless they managed to encompass a better external solution than merely messing with the SD cards and they aren't going to as they don't feel enough Wii owners want it-majority straightjackets are something Ninty has been handing out to serious gamers recently.

But , to me , the real problem right now is the quality of the new software where games are concerned and to tack on Wii controls to GC games that we can already play is really cheap, imo, even if the games retail at around £10(which they wont). Maybe it's just that I wasn't impressed by the news last week but I don't think I'm being "spoilt" because I can't see much worth playing on the horizon.OK it doesn't help that it feels like outside devs gimp on Wii versions of multi platform games(just look at the way the features are receding on COD:WaW for a bad example of selling Wii owners short)but if Nintendo want to continue reissues rather than back new ideas then the best we can hope for is revived franchises from them-a la Punchout and Sin and Punishment. For me , though, it doesn't feel nearly enough when PS360 are getting some really good versions of the multi plat games plus their exclusives-what do we have to compare at the moment? I'm not bothered too much by graphics, but Ninty do the best on wii and without new games from them it can look bleak.

Sorry about the moan- I just feel that if the solution for core gamers from Nintendo is more GC updates then it's pretty slim pickings.

[QUOTE="clicketyclick"]

You're the only one who is so irate that you have to insult people as being "spoilt" and tell them to "calm the hell down" instead of actually responding calmly and rationally to their points. :)

Haziqonfire

I agree with Bob_Newman.

I disagree.

-I'm fine with the SD cards. What you are talking is lazyness. I'm not lazy at all to transfer my games from the card to the flash memory. If Nintendo said which you say on your rant you'll be able to play through the SD card, why are you complaining?

-As for the price of the Wiipoints, I pay for 2000 Wiipoints around 22.50$ Canadian with my credit card. It's 20$ + taxes (GST and TVQ since I live in Quebec). I don't complain at all.

-As for the new IP, Dynamic Slash (the game from Nintendo and Sandlot) and Disaster are new Nintendo IPs. I want more 3rd party games than 1st party. Am I the only one to have more 3rd party games than 1st party on all Nintendo consoles? Also, you say quality games in a post, how about you take out every shovelware like the Data Design Interactive games and you'll see better games.

I guess its not just Bob and Me -- Chris3116 ftw.Haziqonfire

It's me, too, but other people have already stated my view at various points. I'd rather let them argue in this case.

Didnt Nintendo just announce some new IP's like Moon Walker, Dynamic Slash, and Watch that Yellow Blob Thing Bounce Around.

I dont necesarily agree with #1 & #2. I dont see as #3 being a problem just yet.

[QUOTE="Haziqonfire"][QUOTE="clicketyclick"]

You're the only one who is so irate that you have to insult people as being "spoilt" and tell them to "calm the hell down" instead of actually responding calmly and rationally to their points. :)

JLF1

I agree with Bob_Newman.

[QUOTE="Haziqonfire"]I guess its not just Bob and Me -- Chris3116 ftw.JordanElek

It's me, too, but other people have already stated my view at various points. I'd rather let them argue in this case.

This.

-As for the price of the Wiipoints, I pay for 2000 Wiipoints around 22.50$ Canadian with my credit card. It's 20$ + taxes (GST and TVQ since I live in Quebec). I don't complain at all.chris3116

Or you're just buying point card?

This.

bob_newman

[QUOTE="bob_newman"]

This.

JLF1

Because I know how he works. Disagree with his points, and he'll spend the next few days telling me why my opinion is wrong.

[QUOTE="JLF1"][QUOTE="bob_newman"]

This.

bob_newman

Because I know how he works. Disagree with his points, and he'll spend the next few days telling me why my opinion is wrong.

only two actual games coming to the wii nintendorulez13

Whats all of this "They only announced two games!" thing? What about:

Kensax

Cosmic Walker

Spawn Smasher

Dynamic

Takt of Magic

Line Attack Heroes

Trace Memory: R, Gateway of Memory?

EDIT: Plus Sin and Punishment 2 and Punch-Out...

[QUOTE="bob_newman"][QUOTE="JLF1"][QUOTE="bob_newman"]

This.

JLF1

Because I know how he works. Disagree with his points, and he'll spend the next few days telling me why my opinion is wrong.

Just to let him know that someone thinks he's wrong. There's no point in arguing with him, so it's just better to leave it at that.

[QUOTE="nintendorulez13"]only two actual games coming to the wii Jakendo

Whats all of this "They only announced two games!" thing? What about:

Kensax

Cosmic Walker

Spawn Smasher

Dynamic

Takt of Magic

Line Attack Heroes

Trace Memory: R, Gateway of Memory?