How can people not think twilight princess is a bad game

Sorry edit didnt work. I wanted to add even the songs are horrible, and i mean the sounds they used sound just awful. They just put no effort into this game at all, the list goes on and on for other things horribly wrong with this game. Its not even just the worst zelda game, its a bad game.... I really hoped the zelda series would go back to its roots, sigh, maybe some day...

@littlerain: Yeah sorry, i have to disagree with it ALL. Bad troII is bad. Try not to be so vague in your criticisms. Also would help not being 100% anti something.

It's definitely not the best 3D Zelda. There are many flaws in the game, but overall I thought it was a fantastic game, and I had fun all the way through (after the very slow and boring start). I liked the weirdness of it.

Wind Waker, however, is a masterpiece. It's also on the easy side though, but the Wii U remake has a higher difficulty you can choose. I can tell you that the story is also really cool for a Zelda game, and even cooler if you've played OoT.

Also, your poll options suck, are very immature and just tells us "I hate this game, come and hate it with me, if you don't hate it - go away". Very lame, dude.

Haven't played this game since pulling a massive whitey whilst playing it.. I was just given the HD version for free so I'll get on it again once day, probably after Breath of the Wild. I was very early on in the game but too high to remember it really.

I actually don't remember how far I ever made it into Twilight Princess, but I do remember I stopped playing primarily because I disliked the Wii motion controls - and also because Super Paper Mario and Fire Emblem Radiant Dawn came along not terribly long after I got the Wii.

I thought the animation in the game was nice, and I thought it was kind of cool that Link started the game as a rancher, and gradually obtained his tunic and stuff. I remember I didn't like being wolf link as much, but I thought it was cool how you could see the spirits of Hylian soldiers and stuff in the Twilight realm.

Look im not a troll, im just an old angry passionate zelda fan. You have to understand that i am genuinly sad that zeldas kept getting worse After the 64 then better. I guess I'm glad You guys like it though. but im just curious, have you plAyed the originals and are you guys still kids. I'm a game developer and its really easy to see that they cut alot of corners for this game. I played more last night and it really shows how much less stuff there is in this game then they could of had...

What the devs need to realize is that what made zelda so great is more then just the fighting mechanics, its that there was so many places to explore, the grave yard doesn't even have a grave to go into in this one, i swear oot has a higher polygon count then this game.

I haven't played Twilight Princess. That's how.

I actually liked the art style but there was next to nothing to do in that game. I think Majora's Mask even had more in it and the dungeon puzzles were beyond easy. My biggest disappointment was Zant you'll see why if you play that far. The game has a lot of potential but they didnt try hard enough, the trials of the goddess were lame.

As I've always said about Twilight Princess, my biggest gripe with the game was its obvious untapped potential. I mean, as I play the game, it become so damn obvious that many ideas never got fully developed the way Nintendo was intending when they were drawing it up on the blackboard as many of them got cut short and/or modified in order to fit on GC's tiny disc without turning it into a multi disc adventure. For example, I'm pretty sure Nintendo wanted the interaction between Link's wolf form and the animals throughout that world to play a much bigger role than it actually did. Unfortunately, those segment appear to be cut short. Some horseback segments of the game also seem to have been ditched. Then you got that forest which was shown in trailers and early pictures of the game that ended up canned...

I am NOT saying Twilight Princess is a terrible game. I enjoyed it and thought it was great. It IS without a doubt superior to MM and OoT on a technical level despite all its flaws such as limited weapons to use, a flawed reward system, having many dungeon weapons that serve very little purpose outside of its dungeons, linear side quest that offer up to nothing of what OoT/MM offered (Biggoron Sword, Ice arrows, Golden Zora scale, etc), lack of dungeon depth (OoT and MM dungeons felt just right in size and content. It didn't feel like its just needlessly dragged on and on like many of TP's dungeons), and lack of other race beyond Zora/Goron (where is the Gerudos, Kokiri?). TP has a better storyline, a beyond and away better battle system, bigger hyrule, beautiful graphics, and more harder enemies to deal with. The other two, however, seem to offer the perfect amount of ration for their plate size while Twilight Princess, despite having a plate size twice as big as the other two, offers far less ration for its plate size while having food quality poorer than the other two...

It's the best game in the series to date. I never understood the TP hate.

Some advice: try not to make a troll thread on a system-based forum like the Nintendo Fan Club. This will get you in trouble, especially since you are a new user on this board. The moderators will think you created this thread simply to annoy Zelda or Nintendo fans which is against forum rules.

Another comment that makes you look like a not very nice person. I think most people who have played TP has played the older ones and aren't kids.

"I'm a game developer, so I know what's good or not". LOL

And where the hell did that come from? You should probably go have those eyes checked, Mr game developer.

You come across as someone who has those rose-tinted glasses on too tight.

I agree that overall the N64 games from a gameplay perspective are better, especially pacing with Ocarina of Time, then add that the N64 games got fantastic 3DS remakes; but Twilight Princess isn't that bad dood. You're over exaggerating_

You are changing what I said. I said its easy to spot where they cut corners. and Go look at the grave yard in Kakariko village, and then go play Oot, you can see how much detail is really left out. I think that's just another thing what made the originals so amazing, where ever where you went, there was a bunch of interesting stuff to do, they put their love into every corner of the game, where as TP there is so many places which is just an empty void.

ToCool nailed a lot of the things wrong with it. I agree with most of what you said, but...

As for the story, its really all personal preference for which is better. I think the story in Oot was told much better, it had cutscenes that made your mouth drop in awe, and made your imagination flow wild. and same with MM. It was a game that you not only played, you felt it. This game kinda felt emotionless to me, it doesn't allow your imagination to flow. Oot just had so much love put into the game, its really a game I will remember for the rest of my life, and cherish, where as TP is a game I'll play once and forget about it. Twilight just lacks the depth that Oot of did, and when I say depth I don't mean size, I'm talking about personality, style. Sad thing is, it seems to happen to every big game series, if you played Halo 1 and 2, you will know how bad the new ones are. Once the original developers are gone, so was their vision for what the game is supposed to be. I also just kind of felt twilight was made for kids, which is reasonable, since Nintendo is pretty much just making games for kids, but Oot and MM mask was as well, but it still had that mature feeling to it

As for temples, the Lake bed temple was lame... Very short, the frog you can kill in 30 seconds, and once you get the eel out of the ground, you can beat him in 30 seconds with out taking damage either. and I wish I was exaggerating with the 30 second part.

One thing they did a good job on was the fighting mechanics though, they are really top notch. I didn't particularly like the camera angles they chose for walking around though, although looking around with the stick was nice, when you are walking down a hill, like in the cave near lake hylia, it was tricky to see where you were walking on the boards with out having to mess with the camera.

onesiphorus Sorry I know I came off wrong, I literally was in the middle of playing it and was in the heat of the moment, I felt I needed to say something, I should have cooled down first.

People need to speak there mind, if Nintendo doesn't know its not satisfying the old fans, they won't do anything about it. and I know I was a little harsh saying its a bad game, it was just really disappointing to me, the personality of the game I loved so much just isn't there anymore :(

Over the last 12 months, I've been playing though the Zelda series. I started Twilight Princess HD just the other day.

I'm only 2 dungeons deep, but I will admit that of the 3D Zelda games, it's the one I've enjoyed the least. It's not a bad game, but kinda bland. It lacks the charm of the other games. It's still not my least favorite though, that goes jointly to Oracle of Ages and Oracle of Seasons, which did nothing but frustrate me.

I'll hold off on judging it too harshly until I finish this playthough, as I've not played TP since the Wii launched and I don't really remember anything about it, but if this thread is still active, I'll give my full thoughts then.

@onesiphorus: I'd appreciate if users stop calling every thread that's even the tiniest bit negative trolling. The term troll is thrown around so loosely these days. To troll means to dismiss or bad mouth someone or something without stating a good reason behind their opinion for the sole purpose of instigation. Now whether you agree with his opinion is up to you though. Rather than fighting a reasonable discussion is taking place.

@iandizion713: no it wouldn't help if he wasn't 100% against the game. That would be quite off topic. Not to mention there may have been nothing he likes thus far nothing wrong with that

@Celsius765: Yes it would help. Someone comes around claiming Twilight Princess is a 1/10, its laughable.

@iandizion713: its not a 1/10 but it is very close to that. It claimed to have the most side quest out out of any Zelda of its time, it did not. It required no thinking to solve the dungeon puzzles and half the time they pointed things out as if we couldn't look around for ourselves. The goddess trials were identical and nothing more than collect the token quest but with chasers. Even an old game like Majora's Mask had a higher difficulty. The overworld was mostly left barren thanks to hardware limitations. The magic armor drains your wallet to fast to be considered useful. The biggest flaw is Zant who rehashed the attacks of past bosses and is eventually redmdsuced to senseless wailing at you like a fool who can't fight. The only redeeming qualities left are Midna, the art style even if it is glowy and that's it. But hey user experience varies, maybe you might be younger and Zelda puzzles don't come as easily to you. I had no trouble breezing through TP since they held our has through it. If I had to give it a score I'd say 5.5 out of 10.

It's actually a great game, just not the best Zelda game ever. If you play it using Dolphin and make the resolution 1920x1080 u will see how truly beautiful and detailed the game really is.

@vaidream45: can you lower the glowing?

It's a flawed game. Understandably flawed.

It was Nintendo's response to all the backlash from Wind Waker for being too "kiddy" and short. It tried to gain back the fanbase by tapping into the OoT nostalgia and giving us a world similar to it but larger. Hell, it would have made more sense if Ganondorf was not in the game, but they somehow managed to shoehorn him into the story at last minute as a callback to OoT. It tried to outdo previous Zelda games in size and length, which only led to all the unnecessary padding and empty fields. Many ideas and potential held back by technical limitations, and all development was delayed for a Wii port with subpar motion controls. I would not even be surprised if they made the game easy for the sake of making it accessible to everyone.

However, I can't deny how much fun I had with Twilight Princess. I spent countless hours doing laps around Hyrule on Epona, watching the sun rise and set and looking up at the stars. I loved going back to the fishing hole to relax. Although the light tears fetch quests were annoying, being able to play as a wolf felt fresh and was lots of fun. Those bosses were laughably easy, but oh man did they deliver hype and grandeur. The character design is so good, Smash still uses them. Midna is still the most fleshed out companion in any Zelda game. The music was absolutely amazing, felt more orchestral than Skyward Sword's actual orchestrated soundtrack.

A flawed game? Absolutely. Best Zelda game? Not quite. A bad game? Not even close.

@Celsius765: I guess we figured out whos alt account this is. But sorry, the world disagrees. Twilight Princess is one of the best Zelda's and one of the best games ever made.

Imo it has the best story and characters of all Zelda games. Sometimes you see people write off Zelda's stories as 'you have to save the princess big surprise' but I was genuinely emotionally touched by it. There was also quite a bit of humor in the game. Way more than other Zelda's. Something very rare in the gaming industry because it is so tough to pull off.

I don't know why exactly but when I played it originally it didn't grab me so much... yet when I played the HD remake it kinda blew me away. Hero mode made it the hardest Zelda of all the 3D ones, in the ways that I play them (I don't do 3 heart runs), and not in a frustrating way. Everything from unlocking the fairy fountains to buying potions suddenly makes total sense when you don't get hearts from the pots and grass and take double damage. I died a couple times and I went through pretty much all Zelda's without ever seeing a game over screen. And they really fixed the pacing. If you didn't like the original TP I would strongly suggest checking out the remake because you may have the same experience. It definitely definitively changed the way I look at TP. It is now one of my favorite or maybe even my favorite Zelda game ever.

In the end I felt a little worse about myself for not liking it so much the first time around. Oh well. I remember being bummed out about the slow start and Kakariko village on the Gamecube. I suppose, given how much Hero Mode adds to the experience, you are right that it was too easy. I honestly can't remember how hard it was originally. With the remake, Kakariko still bummed me out, but I thought the start was actually pretty fun. Also the way you describe the open world feeling empty is the way I remember the original. In the remake I was actually surprised to see there were quite a few secrets to find in the world. I don't know if they added stuff to the open worlds but it felt fine to me.

These games take them so much money and time to make for a relatively small audience. they are nothing but projects of love. I cannot look at any of the mainline Zelda games and say with a straight face that they just put something out there to cash in on it. Especially compared to the standards in the gaming industry, a new Zelda is always something special.

Actually, a take away from my experience with TP is that I hope that the new Zelda will feel a little like TP in Hero Mode when it comes to health. Because some portions of that game became TENSE due to limited health restoration and I never experienced that before in 3D Zelda's and it was kinda cool, made the whole experience more epic, and every fight and every heart gained felt significant. It was a surprising lesson, how much a change in difficulty can change a game's mechanics.

TLDR Give the remake a shot one day, if you ever get the opportunity. It might change your mind.

@iandizion713: you're not the world and this is no alt account. Who ever you're referring to,I'm assuming the TC, was probably in middle school or elementary school when this account was made. I've been a user of this site longer than I suppose necessary. >u>' this account is 12 years old. I've been gaming since the Snes and have played Zelda games that have given me a much harder time than TP ever could. I played the gamecube version and I breezed through it quickly because the game was always pointing stuff out and there weren't enough side quest to lengthen the game. Some were more like required quest like the iron boots retrieval. The most I enjoyed was the art style of the characters. But I always wanted more out of the game. I just wasn't expecting Zant to be so weak after he wounded Midna so badly and at the time I thought he was the final boss since he'd done so much to Hyrule. TP is an average game at best. I dunno maybe back then was the wrong time to release it. At the very least I didn't have to force myself to finish it like Skyward Sword with its motion controls that kinda reduced fights to tutorial speeds and Link's fish lips. I'm hoping BOTW blows them both away atleast

@KungfuKitten: I didn't hate it person I just had some disappointments and it left me wanting more than it could offer for its time. And I'm not sure I will I never got a wii u. I can afford to get one now but Switch is on the way and I'm feeling impatient for it. I admit it might be smarter to let Switch grow tho and play a wii u for awhile.it's why I was wishing nintendo would give us the necessary switch info sooner than this.

@Celsius765: Feel however you want, majority just disagrees. Twilight Princess is one of the best.

@iandizion713: and again you don't know the majority since there are millions who've played this and you dont know what they thought of it. You can only speak for yourself. We each had our own experience with this game. You can't deny it had the potential to do more than it did I will say that.

@Celsius765: I can speak for the user ratings on Nintendo eShop and WiiWare. You have to buy the game to rate it and the ratings are outstanding. Critics also agree, Twilight Princess is one of the best in gaming.

@Celsius765:

Glowing?

@vaidream45: I think it's called the bloom effect it's been awhile but I do remember the characters had this brightness to them

OP is trying a little too hard.

The game has its flaws, but this is a nonsense post

I've played the game through on GAmeCube back when it launched, and on Wii some years back.

In both occasions I was sorely disappointed.

I did not enjoy the wolf form, or the cleansing missions on every area. Not one bit.

Also, the map felt badly designed. Just did not work as well as OoT map. And the central town had rather bad design too and did not feel as fun as Hyrule town in OoT.

Gameplay was ok, and looks on GC were good, but the game just was not all that fun. Not even the fishing.

And on Wii, further disappointment was that the Wii version looked identical to the GC version, apart from the swap thingys.

@littlerain:I think you have some valid points. (the poll options were quite childish though.)

We're all entitled to our own opinions. You dislike TP, bit your favorite Zelda is (I think) OOT. @spike6958: thinks Oracle of Seasons and Ages were frustrating. A lot of people list A Link to the Past as being the best Zelda game of all time. I think when it comes to games/movies/albums/etc, no two people usually agree 100%.

Twilight Princess isn't my least-favorite Zelda game, but then it's not like I've sat down and played all of them around the same time to form deep opinions about them.

Personally, I thought ALTTP was okay, but I think it is far from being the best Zelda game. I love all three of the GBC Zelda games, I enjoyed Windwaker, OOT and Majora's Mask, and I didn't mind TP much. I never really got into the two NES games, never had the desire to play Skyward Sword, and I also kind of shrugged off most of the other games that seemed like spin-offs, such as Triforce Heroes and Four Swords. I didn't really get to play Minish Cap, but it seemed clever.

Phantom Hourglass and Spirit Tracks might just be some of the worst Zelda games I've ever played, personally. By contrast, I think Breath of the Wild will be one of the very best Zelda games ever made.

Probably a better topic for System Wars, as you're going to get flamed on this board. I'm not a big fan of Zelda, as I think it has been slow to adapt to changes in the industry from the Gamecube era forward.

Breath of the Wild will hopefully renew the series and make it interesting again.

Wow what a loaded poll.

Different strokes for different folks, I guess. I was very happy with the game we got, the music, story, and gameplay all did it for me.

OP, which version are you playing?

I disliked the Wii version, but multiple people told me the Gamecube one was good...but it was no longer available by the time I learned that. (Don't know anyone who liked the Wii version in real life.)

The Wii U version is obviously the best, and IMO a pretty strong game. It's a little annoying in places, and IMO Wind Waker is much better, but I'd still recommend it.

As for the graphics, I thought they looked not-super-great even back on the Gamecube/Wii. They have their moments, but they're clearly using an upgraded version of the art style from Ocarina of Time. It looks better than that, but it's still too much "hey, it's 3D!" rather than having an actual art style like most of the Zelda games. But I don't know how anyone can think it looks WORSE than OOT since it's quite obviously going for that but better, and IMO pulls that off.

I take back alot of what I said, the first half of the game definitly deserves a thrashing, but last half i was actually really impressed. Still not as good as oot, although fighting mechanica were wicked. It would be cool to see fightinf like that in the unreal remake.

And like said above, dungeons puzzles weren't even puzzles really, and boss fights were waaay to easy. Man this game had so much potential, nintendo should really think of putting in 2 difficults, one like this and another with more difficult puzzles and bosses.

Then there is the fact I don't think ive seen a single side quest.

And im playing On dolphin dont know if what version it is. The reason they made wind waker the art style it is, was because nintendo's systems lack graphical capability, you can get a way nicer looking game that ages alot better. By the time the next next gen comes out, twilight will look like udder shit, where wind waker will still look decent. I havent played it yet, just beat twilight but gunna play that next. I personally would rather go back to N64 graphics then wind waker, i remember when it just came out i was so dissappointed in the art style...

@littlerain: Were not allowed to talk about stealing games mate. Kept that greedy shit to yourself. Also, had you played the real version, Twilight Princess HD, youd have gotten to experience an insane Hero mode which makes the game very difficult. Plus with Ganondorf Amiibo would have made even harder.