I am truly pissed about this Manhunt 2 AO rating. It should be AO and thats it.

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#1 Cornerstore
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I don't get why they are doing this to us. They are forcing R* to change it to an M. They should allow AO ratings on there systems and make people show ID to get the game. If the parents buy it for there kids to bad. There parents should have known better. They should keep it at an AO and keep the level of violence its at. End of discussion.
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Agreed.
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#3 The_Pig_Hostage
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Yeah, I didn't even really want this game and I'm pissed. God I hate censorship... I'm an adult - I don't need Nintendo and Sony making my decisions for me.
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#4 tomarlyn
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Agreed, these type of games are meant for adults to begin with. I don't care how mature little Timmy thinks he is and the parents are fools too, they buy their kids these games thinking the industry is still all about happy clappy Mario type games then complain about the content. Even if a minor still gets his hands on the game and acts mature he'll still go to school and say ''yah I got that *insert mature title*, you can do all this cool stuff, its awesome''. So his friends go home and beg for it because teh kidz at school have it. Thus the cycle grows. Mom: ''There's swearing and killing in this game! Oh Noes! Think of the children'' *then voices opinion to politician or media*. Well hunny you wouldn't let junior see the Exorcist or Kill Bill would you? So stop putting pressure on the watchdogs please. So people like me (24) have to suffer because its banned here. If it was left in the hands of those intended there wouldn't be a problem. Many games in the UK carry 18 certificates (even on Nintendo platforms) just like films and rightly so, this should have been no different.
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#5 cam2009
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Here's my solution: only sell it online, through Rockstar's website. When you go to check out, you get an age verification, warnings, and obviously you have to enter a credit card number. People that don't want to see it won't see it, but it's there if you want it. Kids don't have credit cards. They could steal one from their parents I suppose, but they find out when paying bills sometime. It's ridiculous how if one fifth of the population can't have something, no one can.
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#6 Sonick54
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Sales will be non existant for the game if it's AO. The only way you could possibly get it was through a few online stores or...illegally :S

BTW, like it or not, they're gonna have to change it if they want the game to at least sell a few.

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Sales will be non existant for the game if it's AO. The only way you could possibly get it was through a few online stores or...illegally :S

BTW, like it or not, they're gonna have to change it if they want the game to at least sell a few.

Sonick54

They can't even sell it online: Nintendo won't certify it, or allow it on the system.

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I agree this is a disgrace to the gaming industry that Sony and Nintendo wont even allow such a game to come out. I mean who doesnt? You have to be a complete idiot or fanboy to think otherwise.. Funny how Nintendo is allowing a DS game to be released that lets you touch and arouse underaged girls and boys in their private parts, but Manhunt 2, forget about it, too violent.
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#9 Sonick54
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[QUOTE="Sonick54"]

Sales will be non existant for the game if it's AO. The only way you could possibly get it was through a few online stores or...illegally :S

BTW, like it or not, they're gonna have to change it if they want the game to at least sell a few.

Spelunker

They can't even sell it online: Nintendo won't certify it, or allow it on the system.

Well, there ya go :P

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#10 tomarlyn
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Sales will be non existant for the game if it's AO. The only way you could possibly get it was through a few online stores or...illegally :S

BTW, like it or not, they're gonna have to change it if they want the game to at least sell a few.

Sonick54
18-certified games sell just fine in the UK (even though a percentage of that will be made up by ignorant parents buying for kids).
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#11 Sonick54
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[QUOTE="Sonick54"]

Sales will be non existant for the game if it's AO. The only way you could possibly get it was through a few online stores or...illegally :S

BTW, like it or not, they're gonna have to change it if they want the game to at least sell a few.

tomarlyn

18-rated games in the sell just fine in the UK (even though a percentage of that will be made up by ignorant parents buying for kids).

But it's AO. Not M. They can't sell it in stores. And you'd have to be one hell of a disturbed parent to purchase this for a kid to play :?

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#12 tomarlyn
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[QUOTE="tomarlyn"][QUOTE="Sonick54"]

Sales will be non existant for the game if it's AO. The only way you could possibly get it was through a few online stores or...illegally :S

BTW, like it or not, they're gonna have to change it if they want the game to at least sell a few.

Sonick54

18-rated games in the sell just fine in the UK (even though a percentage of that will be made up by ignorant parents buying for kids).

But it's AO. Not M. They can't sell it in stores. And you'd have to be one hell of a disturbed parent to purchase this for a kid to play :?

Well maybe in america (why by the way?). But here shelves are filled with them just like adult rated films. Why not just use 18 certificates for these games?
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#13 Sonick54
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[QUOTE="Sonick54"][QUOTE="tomarlyn"][QUOTE="Sonick54"]

Sales will be non existant for the game if it's AO. The only way you could possibly get it was through a few online stores or...illegally :S

BTW, like it or not, they're gonna have to change it if they want the game to at least sell a few.

tomarlyn

18-rated games in the sell just fine in the UK (even though a percentage of that will be made up by ignorant parents buying for kids).

But it's AO. Not M. They can't sell it in stores. And you'd have to be one hell of a disturbed parent to purchase this for a kid to play :?

Well maybe in america (why by the way?). But here shelves are filled with them just like adult rated films. Why not just use 18 certificates for these games?

Not even america. AO are a no show. There are not a lot of games with that rating

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[QUOTE="Sonick54"][QUOTE="tomarlyn"][QUOTE="Sonick54"]

Sales will be non existant for the game if it's AO. The only way you could possibly get it was through a few online stores or...illegally :S

BTW, like it or not, they're gonna have to change it if they want the game to at least sell a few.

tomarlyn

18-rated games in the sell just fine in the UK (even though a percentage of that will be made up by ignorant parents buying for kids).

But it's AO. Not M. They can't sell it in stores. And you'd have to be one hell of a disturbed parent to purchase this for a kid to play :?

Well maybe in america (why by the way?). But here shelves are filled with them just like adult rated films. Why not just use 18 certificates for these games?

If it were such a normal occurance, the UK wouldn't be banning the game unilaterally (which they didn't do in the US).

The UK 18+ rating is the equivalent of the M in the US.

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While I disagree with Nintendo's and Sony's decisions, when I read the latest stuff on this game I sorta understand why they would want it toned down.
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#20 thriteenthmonke
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[QUOTE="Spelunker"][QUOTE="Sonick54"]

Sales will be non existant for the game if it's AO. The only way you could possibly get it was through a few online stores or...illegally :S

BTW, like it or not, they're gonna have to change it if they want the game to at least sell a few.

ThaT-Masta

They can't even sell it online: Nintendo won't certify it, or allow it on the system.

Or will they? Maybe Nintendo wants to show the "Nubs" that they can doother than E, T, and M games.

Nintendo and Sony have both released statements that they will not allow the game on their systems in it's current form
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#21 Cypher_187
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I agree with the thread poster. They are stifling developers creative freedom. I think AO games should definitely be able to have a release on any system, as long as the people selling those games are valiant with checking ID and so forth.
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#22 wiiman555
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Thus far the ESRB have been pretty chill about violent games and been pretty good with keeping them on the shelves. (So the time to reject a game was inevitably sometime soon. I think this whole issue of Manhunt 2 is a ploy to keep the ESRB around and make them look like they are still doing their jobs. I mean they only make sure that a respectable rating is on games (pretty easy job). So by basically restricting this game they are now showing that they are keeping their job and hold somesort of power. It could have been any upcoming game that could have got screwed by the ESRB (Grandtheft, GodFather) Man Hunt unfortunately was the game they picked to flex their controversial iron fist, it coulda been any borderline game.

We should have MANHUNT 2 on PS2 WII...

...shiet...u should put that on the PS3 and make it even more realistic. Like to see someone guy get his balled mangled with pliers on a HDTV 1080p PS3.

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I Agree. They should of kept it AO... Kids can trick there parents with M and say its mild or some crap.. But with it being AO they would HAVE TO SHOW I.D.....
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#25 diegofsv
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Bah this game is doomed now! And it seems so great! With so much attention now a lot of twited people will just blame this game to justified their means and this just sucks. We cant, by any means, havea real adult game cos psome arents sucks with their children
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#26 diegofsv
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What really pisses me off is that this game dont have ANY THING that may appeal to kids at all. Its so adult oriented that I cant see any idiot kid that thinks hes the best playing GTA enjoyng a game so relentless and focused on stealth and psycho gruesome killing. However people that played the game said it deserved the AO rate and well, its against both companys publish these kind of games (because this crap rate is most for pornographic content game).
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#27 x_water
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i am also very pissed, and im not evan old enough to buy it! i mean, its not like its anything all that badd anyway, its on a television screen being played virtually. ur not actually doin it, i figure these games as a diffrent form of entertainment from regular rpg's or adventure games. you get the surge of getting scared and fighting for survival in these types of games, way to go ruin it nintendo, sony, and ESRB. i cant belive i thought you guys were cool, lol.

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They dont ban porno from being sold in variety stores, why the **** do they ban games that only ADULTS can get!
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#29 Makedonijo
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dude why are people so obsessed over this game its outrageous violence and you just think that you are cool and a tough guy for playing the game, now you are crying because it got an AO rating, it deserves one the first Manhunt really inspired murders in real life and this game should really not be made, there are a lot of crazy people out in the world today
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I don't get why they are doing this to us. They are forcing R* to change it to an M. They should allow AO ratings on there systems and make people show ID to get the game. If the parents buy it for there kids to bad. There parents should have known better. They should keep it at an AO and keep the level of violence its at. End of discussion. Cornerstore


so true now there going to have to take all of the cool stuff out
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#31 jNerd
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Or you could research wtf you're talkin about a little better. Nintendo doesn't let ANYONE make AO games for there systems! Sooo, your plan sucks.
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I'm not surprised by Sony's decision, but Nintendo should have known better to pass this money making opportunity on. It seems the only way to release this game without stooping to censorship is releasing it for the PC... If they go that route, then with proper advertising and hyping (in other words, having ads embracing its AO rating), I'd say they can still pull it off successfully.

Also, this fiasco might force the ESRB (along with other retailers) toreview/changeits handling of (potentially high-profile) AO rated games without being a bunch of pro-censorship asshats. I'm sure this case is also damaging the reputation of the ESRB as well as Sony and Nintendo.

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I agree this is a disgrace to the gaming industry that Sony and Nintendo wont even allow such a game to come out. I mean who doesnt? You have to be a complete idiot or fanboy to think otherwise.. Funny how Nintendo is allowing a DS game to be released that lets you touch and arouse underaged girls and boys in their private parts, but Manhunt 2, forget about it, too violent.RoyTheSwordsman

i forgot about those. i guess nintendo executives are horny lol

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[QUOTE="RoyTheSwordsman"]I agree this is a disgrace to the gaming industry that Sony and Nintendo wont even allow such a game to come out. I mean who doesnt? You have to be a complete idiot or fanboy to think otherwise.. Funny how Nintendo is allowing a DS game to be released that lets you touch and arouse underaged girls and boys in their private parts, but Manhunt 2, forget about it, too violent.AsadMahdi59

i forgot about those. i guess nintendo executives are horny lol

What's more, they might be thinking about localizing it:

www.dokimajo.com/english

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IM glad im not the onlyone that feels this way about it, I mean atleast rate it M for sales, that way i can play it, but the bad side to it is it will be less violent, i like violent games, it makes me feel pwoerful and strong to know im in control, ripping peoples insidesout and gutting pregnant mothers and killing there babies. I somtimes was i was actually the man in manhunt. I think we should all right a lettter to rockstar that we all feel this way and maby they will somhow find a way to put it as M and keep the violence:DCornerstore
God I hope you're attempting to be funny. Because if you're not - then I'm afraid it is exactly people like you that are creating all the problems for us normal gamers. Non-gamers use you - yes, you - as an example for what the rest of us are like, which isn't fair because most of us are not wannabe sociopathic maniacs. So please shut up before you get us in more trouble.
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[QUOTE="tomarlyn"][QUOTE="Sonick54"][QUOTE="tomarlyn"][QUOTE="Sonick54"]

Sales will be non existant for the game if it's AO. The only way you could possibly get it was through a few online stores or...illegally :S

BTW, like it or not, they're gonna have to change it if they want the game to at least sell a few.

Sonick54

18-rated games in the sell just fine in the UK (even though a percentage of that will be made up by ignorant parents buying for kids).

But it's AO. Not M. They can't sell it in stores. And you'd have to be one hell of a disturbed parent to purchase this for a kid to play :?

Well maybe in america (why by the way?). But here shelves are filled with them just like adult rated films. Why not just use 18 certificates for these games?

Not even america. AO are a no show. There are not a lot of games with that rating

I can't even think of one

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Yeah, I didn't even really want this game and I'm pissed. God I hate censorship... I'm an adult - I don't need Nintendo and Sony making my decisions for me.The_Pig_Hostage

Nintendo and Sony arent trying to control what you play, its simply that the retailers refuse to carry AO games. There not going to put out a game that wont sell, and at the same time take heat in the media. Rockstar simply needs to find a way to get this game rated M. Whether that means toning it down, or appealing. This game seems like it was going to be a solid use of the Wii. I would like this game to be released, and its not going to happen as an AO title.

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[QUOTE="The_Pig_Hostage"]Yeah, I didn't even really want this game and I'm pissed. God I hate censorship... I'm an adult - I don't need Nintendo and Sony making my decisions for me.Sepewrath

Nintendo and Sony arent trying to control what you play, its simply that the retailers refuse to carry AO games. There not going to put out a game that wont sell, and at the same time take heat in the media. Rockstar simply needs to find a way to get this game rated M. Whether that means toning it down, or appealing. This game seems like it was going to be a solid use of the Wii. I would like this game to be released, and its not going to happen as an AO title.

Nintendo and Sony aren't the ones who'd be 'putting it out', so what concern is it of theirs? I've never seen them refuse to license a game simply because it won't sell - that's the publisher's problem, not Nintendo's or Sony's. If Rockstar wants to keep the game the way it is and sell it exclusively online, they should be able to do that; if they'd rather tone it down to make it sell more, they can do that too - it's their game; but for the console manufacturers to say that it CAN'T be made available in its current form, even to a limited audience, is pure censorship.

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#41 Dr_Corndog
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They should? Where do you get off saying they should allow anything on their system? It's not censorship. The reason they won't allow this game is because it will hurt their public image, which will hurt sales. Purely business.
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#42 PyroPice
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They should? Where do you get off saying they should allow anything on their system? It's not censorship. The reason they won't allow this game is because it will hurt their public image, which will hurt sales. Purely business.Dr_Corndog
to be quite honest this would help nintendos image much mopre then it would hurt it...remebr it being called a kiddie system? well what if it were to get the only console rated AO game on it?......VISIT THIS THREAD AND DO somehthing about it please

http://www.gamespot.com/pages/forums/show_msgs.php?topic_id=25716040&msg_id=289607784#289607784

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#43 jeff16950_demon
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i made a whole blog post about this-feel free to check it out.
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#44 monkey304
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I agree this is a disgrace to the gaming industry that Sony and Nintendo wont even allow such a game to come out. I mean who doesnt? You have to be a complete idiot or fanboy to think otherwise.. Funny how Nintendo is allowing a DS game to be released that lets you touch and arouse underaged girls and boys in their private parts, but Manhunt 2, forget about it, too violent.RoyTheSwordsman

Arouse what?! Oh, those wacky Japanese... Seriously, what game are you talking about? Pedophile > (worse than) Violence

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#47 Brain3000
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The amount of people complaining and ******** about this is too staggering.

People, admit that maybe Rockstar has crossed a moral line with what they've done with the game. That maybe they made it too violent.