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#1 kidrock17xp
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- http://www.gamedaily.com/canvases/gd/_a/feature-who-needs-japan/20070315132609990001
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#2 Tak963
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Whoa, :evil:
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#3 bededog
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Whoa, :evil:Tak963
Ditto, this article is total Bull****!:evil:
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#4 ShakeNBake1491
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"Western developers work to not only make great playing games, but also more attractive ones that appeal to our culture..."

I didn't know our culture was killing and bloodshed :|

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"Western developers work to not only make great playing games, but also more attractive ones that appeal to our culture..."

I didn't know our culture was killing and bloodshed :|

ShakeNBake1491


America Does not have a Culture of it own, its just a bunch of Stuff stolen from other Culture's, with more Bloodshed and FPS's.
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#6 kidrock17xp
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"Western developers work to not only make great playing games, but also more attractive ones that appeal to our culture..."

I didn't know our culture was killing and bloodshed :|

ShakeNBake1491
where did you think all the "I want a fps game" came from lol any game that was ungodly popular like gta or halo is violent and involves shooting people/things
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#7 quetzalcoatl45
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[QUOTE="ShakeNBake1491"]

"Western developers work to not only make great playing games, but also more attractive ones that appeal to our culture..."

I didn't know our culture was killing and bloodshed :|

kidrock17xp
where did you think all the "I want a fps game" came from lol any game that was ungodly popular like gta or halo is violent and involves shooting people/things



its Sad but true.
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I thought it was a good article. It's a debate format and I've seen it done before. Someone asks a question, and two people take opposite positions on the issue and debate it, whether they truly agree with their position or not. Each side makes some good points, but the fact is that great games do indeed come out of Japan and we need them.
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#9 kidrock17xp
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[QUOTE="kidrock17xp"][QUOTE="ShakeNBake1491"]

"Western developers work to not only make great playing games, but also more attractive ones that appeal to our culture..."

I didn't know our culture was killing and bloodshed :|

quetzalcoatl45
where did you think all the "I want a fps game" came from lol any game that was ungodly popular like gta or halo is violent and involves shooting people/things



its Sad but true.

yeh I hate it, and the fact there is an article stating all this stuff just heats me up something terrible. It's not to say that I don't like violent games, but that's not all I want to be playing. That and I have a lot of respect for Japan, what they do and their culture and this is kinda just kicking them all in the face so to speak.
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I haven't gotten around to reading all of it... in fact I haven't gotten around to reading 5 words of it. But in any case, what site is that again? Oh, right. It's AOL, America On Line. They say the 360 has the best controller, where is the 360's homeland? I'm not putting down the US (I live here). I'm just saying, without Japan we wouldn't be as well off in gaming as we are now. In fact we might not even have games (because after the game crash Nintendo started gaming back up. And Nintendo was founded in Japan).
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#11 TNT_Slug
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"Western developers work to not only make great playing games, but also more attractive ones that appeal to our culture..."

I didn't know our culture was killing and bloodshed :|

ShakeNBake1491
Indeed, all the games he listed to tout the greatness of american developpers had one glaring thing in common: mindless, insensible, over-the-top bloodbaths. The epitome of "mature" entertainment indeed.
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#12 jbrittain
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I haven't gotten around to reading all of it... in fact I haven't gotten around to reading 5 words of it. But in any case, what site is that again? Oh, right. It's AOL, America On Line. They say the 360 has the best controller, where is the 360's homeland? I'm not putting down the US (I live here). I'm just saying, without Japan we wouldn't be as well off in gaming as we are now. In fact we might not even have games (because after the game crash Nintendo started gaming back up. And Nintendo was founded in Japan).Arcanine_88
They state exactly what you just said in the article. It's not a one-sided event.. there is actually someone on the Japanese side there.
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#13 yodariquo
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Ironic they have a picture of the DS right there, on which western games competely suck. EDIT: Must comment on blatant stupidity from "Buffa" "Guys like Shigeru Miyamoto, Hideo Kojima and Yuji Naka deserve props, but what have they done for me lately?" as easy as it would be to knock that comment, let's just let the contradiction of this speak for itself: "The Metal Gear franchise is not the epitome of sound game design. Take Metal Gear Solid for PSOne." "The 360 also has the most comfortable controller ever designed ... The Dreamcast controller? Horrible." The Dreamcast controller that the first Xbox clearly ripped off? I didn't see that mentioned... "BioWare already saved us from turn-based RPG hell with Knights of the Old Republic." Never heard of the Tales series I see.
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#14 skingus
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I agree with Workman, and disagree strongly with Buffa. I think both East and west have alot to offer. Buffa sounds like a borderline racist to me, and i'm a white American....Like that matters.
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#15 Terami
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What I find funny is that he's trying to speak for all of us.  While I have enjoyed a few Western developed RPG's(Bioware), I actually prefer JRPG's.
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#16 skingus
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[QUOTE="quetzalcoatl45"][QUOTE="kidrock17xp"][QUOTE="ShakeNBake1491"]

"Western developers work to not only make great playing games, but also more attractive ones that appeal to our culture..."

I didn't know our culture was killing and bloodshed :|

kidrock17xp

where did you think all the "I want a fps game" came from lol any game that was ungodly popular like gta or halo is violent and involves shooting people/things



its Sad but true.

yeh I hate it, and the fact there is an article stating all this stuff just heats me up something terrible. It's not to say that I don't like violent games, but that's not all I want to be playing. That and I have a lot of respect for Japan, what they do and their culture and this is kinda just kicking them all in the face so to speak.

Hell, I have tremendous respect for Japan. Without them I wouldn't get to play my favorite game (Zelda). To say that they don't deserve any credit or refer to their games in passed tense is a shame. Tp and the Wii in general begs to differ.

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"Western developers work to not only make great playing games, but also more attractive ones that appeal to our culture..."

I didn't know our culture was killing and bloodshed :|

ShakeNBake1491
Only in America!
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#18 skine99
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[QUOTE="Tak963"]Whoa, :evil:bededog
Ditto, this article is total Bull****!:evil:

Ditto and I HATE THAT FRICKING SITE!!!! I have aol and when I enter gamespot.com It goes there then I have to reenter it before I get to the actual gamespot
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#19 skingus
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[QUOTE="ShakeNBake1491"]

"Western developers work to not only make great playing games, but also more attractive ones that appeal to our culture..."

I didn't know our culture was killing and bloodshed :|

TNT_Slug

Indeed, all the games he listed to tout the greatness of american developpers had one glaring thing in common: mindless, insensible, over-the-top bloodbaths. The epitome of "mature" entertainment indeed.

I have no problem with a "bloodbath" every once in a while, but I  certainly don't think that they are the WAY a game is obligated to be. As Buffa states.

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[QUOTE="Arcanine_88"]I haven't gotten around to reading all of it... in fact I haven't gotten around to reading 5 words of it. But in any case, what site is that again? Oh, right. It's AOL, America On Line. They say the 360 has the best controller, where is the 360's homeland? I'm not putting down the US (I live here). I'm just saying, without Japan we wouldn't be as well off in gaming as we are now. In fact we might not even have games (because after the game crash Nintendo started gaming back up. And Nintendo was founded in Japan).jbrittain
They state exactly what you just said in the article. It's not a one-sided event.. there is actually someone on the Japanese side there.

The fact is, the topic is so stupid it shouldn't come up. "OMG Japan's games sucks, we would be better off without them.", any gamer knows that we owe a lot to Japan for gaming. I don't care if it was one sided or not, it shouldn't have come up in the first place.
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#21 kidrock17xp
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[QUOTE="TNT_Slug"][QUOTE="ShakeNBake1491"]

"Western developers work to not only make great playing games, but also more attractive ones that appeal to our culture..."

I didn't know our culture was killing and bloodshed :|

skingus

Indeed, all the games he listed to tout the greatness of american developpers had one glaring thing in common: mindless, insensible, over-the-top bloodbaths. The epitome of "mature" entertainment indeed.

I have no problem with a "bloodbath" every once in a while, but I certainly don't think that they are the WAY a game is obligated to be.

in america it is, or at least that's how we are stereotyped as a whole
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#22 decepticondevil
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Though I actually agree with this "Buffa" guy on the RPG thing (I'm sorry, but he's right... Japanese RPGs follow one formula just like he says, and though they were fun when I was 12, they've become pretty stagnant since) he really seems to just be an Xbox fanboy... and possibly a bit of a xenophobe.

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#23 tomarlyn
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Japan has no innovation? Try Shadow Of The Colossus, Okami or Viewtiful Joe.
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#24 Terami
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Though I actually agree with this "Buffa" guy on the RPG thing (I'm sorry, but he's right... Japanese RPGs follow one formula just like he says, and though they were fun when I was 12, they've become pretty stagnant since) he really seems to just be an Xbox fanboy... and possibly a bit of a xenophobe.

decepticondevil
That's like me saying  FPS games follow the same formula, they were fun back when I played Doom but they've become pretty stagnant since.  You're as ignorant as the guy in the article if you think they all follow one formula.
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#25 StrikerGold
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I haven't gotten around to reading all of it... in fact I haven't gotten around to reading 5 words of it. But in any case, what site is that again? Oh, right. It's AOL, America On Line. They say the 360 has the best controller, where is the 360's homeland? I'm not putting down the US (I live here). I'm just saying, without Japan we wouldn't be as well off in gaming as we are now. In fact we might not even have games (because after the game crash Nintendo started gaming back up. And Nintendo was founded in Japan).Arcanine_88


If it weren't for AIM, I doubt AOL would even still exist.  I would trust their opinion of video games in the slightest, pro or con.  The funny thing is, this is entirely from the console point of view.  We only see PC games from American and European companies in the US. 

I would quit console gaming altogether if there weren't any Japanese developers because the only games that would exist would be sports (need more variety than then endless Madden and 2K# clones) and FPS (enough is enough already, its boring).  You'd get the occasional Rayman and SSX, but that's all.  The RPG market would completely dry up.  Games like Oblivion and KoTOR are the rare exceptions of good western RPGs (on consoles that is).  And fighting games too.  Unless Rare rezzes Killer Instinct, we'd be at the mercy of unending Mortal Kombat clones.   
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#26 decepticondevil
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[QUOTE="decepticondevil"]

Though I actually agree with this "Buffa" guy on the RPG thing (I'm sorry, but he's right... Japanese RPGs follow one formula just like he says, and though they were fun when I was 12, they've become pretty stagnant since) he really seems to just be an Xbox fanboy... and possibly a bit of a xenophobe.

Terami

That's like me saying  FPS games follow the same formula, they were fun back when I played Doom but they've become pretty stagnant since.  You're as ignorant as the guy in the article if you think they all follow one formula.

And you'd be right... most FPS do follow a formula, and they've gotten a bit boring too. Just because you like RPG's doesn't make it untrue. If you enjoy them, great... good for you. But they are pretty much all the same and interchangeable.

And by the way, why is it that any time someone points out a flaw in something that someone else likes in this forum they're called "ignorant"? To me it seems much more ignorant to pretend that something you like is flawless just because you like it.

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#27 LINKloco
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How is this article bs when it shows both sides of the arguement? It was a good article to read to get both points of view.
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#28 helium_flash
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That guy sounds like one of the lemmings on these boards.  Someone should take this to SW and see how it explodes.

To say Japan isn't needed anymore is plan ignorance and idiotic.  That guy should be fired.  Also, he fails to mention Capcom, a Japanese based developer, that lemmings like him seem to love.

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#29 alayeesquire
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While everyone is entitled to their own opinion, I respectfully disagree with Buffa. All cultures bring something to gaming, it is not just U.S.A. and Japan.

While I agree that there are cultural differences (and understandibly so) that translate into games, those games do not suffer for it. If you actually get a chance to play these so-called "games from the East" you'll see that you enjoy some games and dislike others just like "non-East" games.

Bottom line: All cultures benefit from experiencing each others' differences and working together to create better systems and experiences (note: this does not only apply to gaming but to life as well).
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#30 Litchie
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I usually don't read articles written by morons. I think I wont make an exception this time.
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#31 lzorro
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Sounds like he doesn't like Japan :| He must be an American auto fan.
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#32 chris3116
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I read this. I'll go with Workman over Buffa.

Japanese did a pretty good job by revolutionize the video games industry. Nintendo did save the industry in the video game crash in the 80s. I think it's them who make the most innovative games ever and will always be. I don't remember an American developers making a game that is not what's called epic.

Buffa is the perfect stereotype of an american hardocre gamer: FPS, online, HD graphics gamer. If something is wrong in these characteristics, the game or the entire console suck. I made this assumption when people are annoyed with the online gaming. Japanese are not that kind of gamer. They are more RPG, anime and portable gamers.

Without Japanese, there were no video games at all other than on PC.   

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#33 Libralesso
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[QUOTE="Tak963"]Whoa, :evil:bededog
Ditto, this article is total Bull****!:evil:



i third that the only game i like that they mentioned was god of war the other two dont interest me at all (for me its all about the japanese games)
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#34 ikwal
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Oh my god this article really pissed me off, I don't know if that guy really believes what he is writing or just exaggerates but man he has no idea what he's talking about. The way he puts up reverence for nature as a bad thing is just sick, what's so bad about showing respect for the nature. And like there has been any inovative game from the West EVER, go MS go steal some more stuff from some other companys. He's like that guy I've always despised, that playstation nerd who can't appreciate good games and sits there playing Tomb Raider or Tony Hawk.
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Thats actually made me quite angry

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[QUOTE="ShakeNBake1491"]

"Western developers work to not only make great playing games, but also more attractive ones that appeal to our culture..."

I didn't know our culture was killing and bloodshed :|

quetzalcoatl45


America Does not have a Culture of it own, its just a bunch of Stuff stolen from other Culture's, with more Bloodshed and FPS's.

Sure and were the most powerful country in the world and we did it what 250 years not to bad!
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#37 WR_Platinum
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Well this doesn't surprise me for a typical American guy who prefers the American way of video gaming over Japanese. What that guy Buffa don't realize is that if it wasn't the Japanese's creativity and art, the video gaming industry wouldn't be were its at now. This article didn't anger me but made m laugh at how stupid his comments were.
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#38 nazaric
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pretty crappy article only true fact was "No question about it -- Japan's Nintendo has dominated the portable arena with the Nintendo DS."
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#39 Crisis_Eye
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Haha they are funny! They said something about not being able to sit on a couch or the floor when you play? I do all the time! They are just bunch of idiots...
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#40 RyanWare
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Buffa's argument is that Japan is stuck in a rut, so to speak. That all they can produce anymore are tired turn-based RPGs and that Western developers are leading the way. In some ways, I can see where he's coming from. But many of his comments sound like something you'd find in System Wars.

"Western developers work to not only make great playing games, but also more attractive ones that appeal to our culture." Oh, wow. Western developers make games that appeal to their own culture? How impressive. No, really. Let's all give them a round of applause... *cough* Meanwhile, Japanese developers not only make games that appeal to their own culture, but to the West as well. Let me know when Western developers can make games with worldwide appeal.

"Do we really need Animal Crossing when we have Viva Pinata?" I think a better question is, "Would we even have Viva Pinata if we never had Animal Crossing?" And the answer would be no, sir, we would not. Japan still influences developers around the globe with their innovative ideas. So while he may prefer the Western take on most genres, I hope he remembers that many of them are based on Japanese games that came before them. Japan obviously still has a significant impact on the industry.

"Mass Effect, Elder Scrolls IV: Shivering Isles, Halo 3, NBA 2K8 and numerous others will make Mario Party 8, Armored Core 4 and other bland, uninspired games look foolish." The fact that a sports game is included in his list makes me a bit queasy, but even worse is his apparent claim that Mario Party 8 and Armored Core 4 are the best Japan has to offer. I've heard better arguments in System Wars. Japan's influence on the West may be declining, but it's only a result of a recent influx in Western developers who shamelessly pander to our "culture," and is no fault of the Japanese developers themselves. They will continue to make some of the best and most innovative games in the world.

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#41 Legolas_Katarn
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But with games like Gears of War, Grand Theft Auto: Vice City Stories and God of War 2, does Japanese influence matter?

I hate Gears of War, I hate Grand Theft Auto, and I have not played any God of War games yet.

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Thats just wrong!
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#43 ReeceBrown
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i couldnt read the first paragraph i was about to punch my computer screen:evil:
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I haven't gotten around to reading all of it... in fact I haven't gotten around to reading 5 words of it. But in any case, what site is that again? Oh, right. It's AOL, America On Line. They say the 360 has the best controller, where is the 360's homeland? I'm not putting down the US (I live here). I'm just saying, without Japan we wouldn't be as well off in gaming as we are now. In fact we might not even have games (because after the game crash Nintendo started gaming back up. And Nintendo was founded in Japan).Arcanine_88
everyone forgets that -.-
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#45 Brainy142
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geeze how could they JAPAN STARTED THE GAMING CRAZE