I think nintendo has a pattern in their games.

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#1 marioandlinkfan
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I mean for exampleabout everybody loved the original super mario bros. but many people hate the sequel super mario bros 2.and love the supermario bros 3 more than the original

i made a list of examples that I could think ofbased on how these games are received in the community.

super mario bros=well received. super mario bros 2= badly received. super mario bros 3= well received.

legend of zelda=well recieved.zelda II:adventure of link = badly received. zelda III a link to the past = well received.

super mario 64 = well received. super mario sunshine =badly received.super mario galaxy= well received.

ocarina of time =well received. Majoras mask=badly received. wind waker= well received.

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#2 Crystal-Rush
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It just a case of Nintendo trying something different to see what works and doesn't, and then later improving on the formula. And FYI, i really enjoyed super mario bros 2. It had some of the best level design and some memorable stages.
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#3 Sepewrath
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Lots of people love SMB2, even though it was a just reskinned game, it didn't take nearly the beating that Sunshine got. But of course there was no internet to fuel that like with Sunshine, otherwise it might not have gotten away with the bait and switch. There is no pattern, certainly not in the way your trying to put it.
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#4 wiifan001
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Majora's Mask isn't and shouldn't be badly received :| It's one of the best N64 games I've ever played, 4th to be exact.
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#5 so_hai
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Not a bad deduction there... Not sure how well received the WindWaker was though - I can just remember a hazy, recurring nagging about the cel shading and sailing. Also, there's Wii Sports=well recieved. Wii Music=horrendously received. Wii Sports Resort=well received.
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#6 Raiko101
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As far as i'm aware, none of them were badly received. Majora's Mask was very well received and Sunshine was far from being badly received. Super Mario Bros 2 and The Adventures of Link just happen to be different to their originals, but were well received in their day. SMB2 also happens to be my favourite game of all time. As for the Wii Sports/Music thing. They're completely different series. :/
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#7 pikaby
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A lot of the newer games tend to be badly received simply because lots of people compare them to their personal favorite in the series, which might or might not be better, but gave them a memorable experience they won't forget even 10 years later.

Nostalgia.

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#8 KnightSkull
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If memory serves me right (and I'm sure it does) all the games you listed that were badly received were if fact well received (mostly). There are always games that many love that some also hate, and if a sequel isn't the same as its predecessor then some people are going to bash it. It is normally the ones that don't like a game (especially a game that is radically different from its predecessor) that shout the loudest.

Super Mario Bros. 2 sold 10 million copies and was the 3rd highest-selling game on the NES, if that means it wasn't well recieved then I'm at a loss as to what would mean it was well recieved.

The only reason people say Zelda II wasn't well recieved is because it was completely different from the first Zelda and a lot of people didn't want the change. It did sell over 4 million copies and even though it wasn't as well reseived as the first, was still loved by many.

Super Mario Sunshine... what can I say... it had mixed reactions. The people that bash the game only did so because it, like the others on the list, was so different from its predecessor that they wanted to find things wrong with it. For instance calling the backpack a "gimmic" when the game was based around it and all its functions, if that's a gimmic then any game that trys somthing new is just a "gimmic" (I hate that word :evil: ).

Why you put Majora's Mask on the list is beyond me, if anything it was recieved just as well (if not more so) than Ocarina of Time. If anything Wind Waker was the worst recieved out of those 3 games (because of the Cel Shaded graphics and the sailing).

As I have said afew times, the main reason sequels aren't as well recieved as their predessors is because of how different they are from them. People don't like change, and because Nintendo change so much from game to game you get a small amout of people bash those games just because they are so different from the game they love.

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#9 Litchie
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MM was badly recieved? I've seen nothing but praise for that game. I've seen lots of people complain about WW. Not sure about sales, though..
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#10 Am_Confucius
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This thread was so unnessecary. And Majoras Mask wasn't badly recieved.
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#11 Gamingclone
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Those games werent badly recieved.

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#12 zeldaluff
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MM was badly recieved? I've seen nothing but praise for that game. I've seen lots of people complain about WW. Not sure about sales, though..Litchie

This. I have seen complaints about MM, but I would say I've seen more complaints about WW. Majora's Mask is my personal favourite.

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#13 MonsieurX
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SMG and SMG2 were both praised...explain it! :O
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#14 meetroid8
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That really only applies to SMB2 and Zelda 2. And even then that only really applies to Zelda 2. You could also add Metroid 2 to that list, but that would also be a bit of stretch.
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#15 ZumaJones07
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You might be able to say the same thing for the Prime series. I never beat Corruption, but Prime 1 was the best followed by what people thought was a step down with Echoes, then back to a well received game. I thought Echoes was a great game, felt like a super fleshed out expansion. And I hope that this next Mario Kart for the 3DS follows your pattern too. MKWii is a terrible mess.
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#16 turtlethetaffer
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Alot of the games you mentioned tried something different with varying results.

Mario 2- good game, but not for everyone.

LoZII- don't really like it at all.

Super Mario sunshine- I enjoyed the game alot, still play it occasionally.

Majora's Mask- To me, the single greatest game ever made. No game has topped it before or since, that I have played.

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#17 Rod90
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That makes sooooo much sense!
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#18 KBFloYd
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your zelda oot>mm>ww is wrong...people hated ww at first..

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#19 almossbb
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Majora's Mask isn't and shouldn't be badly received :| It's one of the best N64 games I've ever played, 4th to be exact.wiifan001

agreed, it was amazing, but bloody hard when i first played it lol.

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#20 turtlethetaffer
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[QUOTE="wiifan001"]Majora's Mask isn't and shouldn't be badly received :| It's one of the best N64 games I've ever played, 4th to be exact.almossbb

agreed, it was amazing, but bloody hard when i first played it lol.

It's the best game of all time. The challenge is one reason. But, really, the biggest reason is the way the atmosphere, gameplay and story playy off eachother. I wrote a blog entry on it a while back so I won't repeat myself. but let me just say that no other game has ever matched the way MM did it.

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#21 superbuuman
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Wind Wanker - Link with lips stick..do I want to see that?..Hell No! ...Im glad its not popular. Otherwise Nintendo would think yea its ok to have Link wearing lipstick.

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#22 BrunoBRS
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majora's badly received? wind waker well received? what?
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Wind Wanker - Link with lips stick..do I want to see that?..Hell No! ...Im glad its not popular. Otherwise Nintendo would think yea its ok to have Link wearing lipstick.

superbuuman
what? characters in that game don't even have lips.
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#24 pikaby
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Wind Wanker - Link with lips stick..do I want to see that?..Hell No! ...Im glad its not popular. Otherwise Nintendo would think yea its ok to have Link wearing lipstick.

superbuuman

If there is lipstick, you must have better eyes than me because I don't see anything.

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#25 Rod90
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[QUOTE="superbuuman"]

Wind Wanker - Link with lips stick..do I want to see that?..Hell No! ...Im glad its not popular. Otherwise Nintendo would think yea its ok to have Link wearing lipstick.

pikaby

If there is lipstick, you must have better eyes than me because I don't see anything.

He is just a troll, ignore it.

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#26 gulfo
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It's not really a pattern, but Nintendo trying to change an already succesful formula. SMB was great, they tried somehing different with SMB2, it didn't work as well, go back to old formula and release SMB3. Same story with Zelda, Zelda II and ALttP, Metroid, Metroid II and Super Metroid, SM64, SMS and SMG.

Now OoT, MM and WW don't follow that pattern, they tried new things in MM and WW, only being MM the succesful one.

People complains about Nintendo always not doing new things in their IPs, but when they get changed, people complains for changes.

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#27 KnightSkull
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It's not really a pattern, but Nintendo trying to change an already succesful formula. SMB was great, they tried somehing different with SMB2, it didn't work as well, go back to old formula and release SMB3.

gulfo

I just thought I'd point out that the version of SMB2 that was released outside Japan wasn't originally a Mario game,it's a redesign of a Japanese game called "Yume Kojo: Doki Doki Panic" (Dream Factory: Heart-Pounding Panic). The original SMB2 was only released outside of Japan when "Super Mario All Stars" came out on the SNES and was names "Super Mario Bros.: The Lost Levels".The reason Nintendo didn't release it before was because of the close similarities with the first game and because of its difficulty.

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#28 fluffy_kins
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Majora's Mask badly received huh?

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#29 Raiko101
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[QUOTE="gulfo"]

It's not really a pattern, but Nintendo trying to change an already succesful formula. SMB was great, they tried somehing different with SMB2, it didn't work as well, go back to old formula and release SMB3.

KnightSkull

I just thought I'd point out that the version of SMB2 that was released outside Japan wasn't originally a Mario game,it's a redesign of a Japanese game called "Yume Kojo: Doki Doki Panic" (Dream Factory: Heart-Pounding Panic). The original SMB2 was only released outside of Japan when "Super Mario All Stars" came out on the SNES and was names "Super Mario Bros.: The Lost Levels".The reason Nintendo didn't release it before was because of the close similarities with the first game and because of its difficulty.

It's actually a common misconception that SMB2 was not released in the western world because of its difficulty. So much so that even reviewers have claimed this to be the case. In reality, a western equivalent of the Famicom Computer Disk System was never released and was a requirement for Super Mario Bros 2.