I think that the DS has better graphics than it's been given credit for

My opinion isthat the DS has the potential to have some pretty decent graphics. I think that (most) developers aren't pushing the system to anywhere near it's graphical limits. Some games that have developers who didare: Moon, FF4, MPH, e.t.c.

Agree/disagree?

Agree, this is a problem with the wii too, developers feel they can half ass all of the games that the make. In both cases they have really good platforms to work on, but a large audience that will buy pretty much anything thrown their way so the end result is crappy games that don't utilize the system's potential

The DS has very bad graphics thats why I like 2D games better. The DS can't even handle better graphics than an N64.

The DS has very bad graphics thats why I like 2D games better. The DS can't even handle better graphics than an N64.

ColdP1zza

[QUOTE="ColdP1zza"]

The DS has very bad graphics thats why I like 2D games better. The DS can't even handle better graphics than an N64.

atlanta_guy

Wrong? How? I love the DS but its not going to change the fact that games like conker's bad fur day and Ocarina of time look much better. The DS can have more detail than the N64 but the N64 is much more clean looking compared to the DS's ugly pixelated edges. But I'm justing talking graphics, because the DS does have more proccessing power.

[QUOTE="atlanta_guy"][QUOTE="ColdP1zza"]

The DS has very bad graphics thats why I like 2D games better. The DS can't even handle better graphics than an N64.

ColdP1zza

Wrong? How? I love the DS but its not going to change the fact that games like conker's bad fur day and Ocarina of time look much better. The DS can have more detail than the N64 but the N64 is much more clean looking compared to the DS's ugly pixelated edges. But I'm justing talking graphics, because the DS does have more proccessing power.

[QUOTE="ColdP1zza"]

[QUOTE="atlanta_guy"] Wrong. You have zero credibility when you make statments like that.atlanta_guy

Wrong? How? I love the DS but its not going to change the fact that games like conker's bad fur day and Ocarina of time look much better. The DS can have more detail than the N64 but the N64 is much more clean looking compared to the DS's ugly pixelated edges. But I'm justing talking graphics, because the DS does have more proccessing power.

You have zero credibility when you make statments like that.

Here are some pictures to show you, and again. DS has more polys and detail but it has horrible pixelated edges unlike the N64's clean edges: http://www.touchds.com/forums/debate-board/nintendo-ds-vs-nintendo-64-a-1862.html

Agree, this is a problem with the wii too, developers feel they can half ass all of the games that the make. In both cases they have really good platforms to work on, but a large audience that will buy pretty much anything thrown their way so the end result is crappy games that don't utilize the system's potential

bluemanaston

The DS has very bad graphics thats why I like 2D games better. The DS can't even handle better graphics than an N64.

ColdP1zza

Nope. The DS graphics are the main reason why I hated FF3, while it's not fair to judge the DS based on a really old game/remake, I would've enjoyed FF3 a lot more if they kept the old 8-bit style.siLVURcross

[QUOTE="siLVURcross"]Nope. The DS graphics are the main reason why I hated FF3, while it's not fair to judge the DS based on a really old game/remake, I would've enjoyed FF3 a lot more if they kept the old 8-bit style.bunchofpixels

Agreed, sailing the wild and pirate filled seas of "Legend Of Zelda:Phantom Hourglass", the sun bright and gleaming, the waves many shades of blue, sound effects of the water-There are some impressive games on the DS with phenominal graphics

[QUOTE="atlanta_guy"][QUOTE="ColdP1zza"]

Wrong? How? I love the DS but its not going to change the fact that games like conker's bad fur day and Ocarina of time look much better. The DS can have more detail than the N64 but the N64 is much more clean looking compared to the DS's ugly pixelated edges. But I'm justing talking graphics, because the DS does have more proccessing power.

You have zero credibility when you make statments like that.

Here are some pictures to show you, and again. DS has more polys and detail but it has horrible pixelated edges unlike the N64's clean edges: http://www.touchds.com/forums/debate-board/nintendo-ds-vs-nintendo-64-a-1862.html

Agreed, sailing the wild and pirate filled seas of "Legend Of Zelda:Phantom Hourglass", the sun bright and gleaming, the waves many shades of blue, sound effects of the water-There are some impressive games on the DS with phenominal graphics

XprimeX

Yeah sure the graphics were good for a DS game and I actually own it and really like it as well as other Zelda games, but were still very pixely and there are better looking games on the N64. Look at the first picture on the GS review of phantom hourglass and tell me they are good. (BTW, I was only half serious about the picture thing)

[QUOTE="ColdP1zza"]

The DS has very bad graphics thats why I like 2D games better. The DS can't even handle better graphics than an N64.

Xraydon

and I think you dont have one making comments like that? What do you mean by that? The DS does have somewhat good graphics but its fact that the N64 has much cleaner looking graphics making them look much better IMO.

I believe the ds pushes its graphics more due to the fact that it takes more into effect, such as more complex level designs and textures. The bottom line is, the DS has more detailed graphics, the n64 has smoother graphics.

As mentioned, some games have look spectacular. I'm just curious to see if the hardware upgrades the DSi has will include a graphics boost. I'm sure it will make for more accurate visuals on the developers end. (graphic boost in the sense of games created solely using the new hardware)

[QUOTE="atlanta_guy"][QUOTE="ColdP1zza"]

Wrong? How? I love the DS but its not going to change the fact that games like conker's bad fur day and Ocarina of time look much better. The DS can have more detail than the N64 but the N64 is much more clean looking compared to the DS's ugly pixelated edges. But I'm justing talking graphics, because the DS does have more proccessing power.

ColdP1zza

You have zero credibility when you make statments like that.

Here are some pictures to show you, and again. DS has more polys and detail but it has horrible pixelated edges unlike the N64's clean edges: http://www.touchds.com/forums/debate-board/nintendo-ds-vs-nintendo-64-a-1862.html

The DS' textures look more pixelated because it uses a point filter(causes a pixelated effect)and the N64 uses a bilinear filter(creates blurred effect)

Aliasing(jaggies) on the N64 isgreater because of the resolution of the game compared to the size of the screen(the image is stretched, making the jaggies more noticeable). The DS has a much smaller screen and is rendered at the same resolution as it's screen. This results in smaller, less noticeable jaggies.

The DS isincapableof using a bilinear filter to smooth out the textures because it has a slower processor and a weaker GPU. Although, the DS' games being rendered at a lower resolution enables it to render more polygons depending on the game.

Looking at Avalon Code, FFCC, and Dragon Quest, the DS indeed is capable of somewhat impressive graphics and the only thing holding it back from looking better than the N64 is the filter.

[QUOTE="XprimeX"]

Agreed, sailing the wild and pirate filled seas of "Legend Of Zelda:Phantom Hourglass", the sun bright and gleaming, the waves many shades of blue, sound effects of the water-There are some impressive games on the DS with phenominal graphics

ColdP1zza

Yeah sure the graphics were good for a DS game and I actually own it and really like it as well as other Zelda games, but were still very pixely and there are better looking games on the N64. Look at the first picture on the GS review of phantom hourglass and tell me they are good. (BTW, I was only half serious about the picture thing)

[QUOTE="bunchofpixels"][QUOTE="siLVURcross"]Nope. The DS graphics are the main reason why I hated FF3, while it's not fair to judge the DS based on a really old game/remake, I would've enjoyed FF3 a lot more if they kept the old 8-bit style.Master-Thief-09

Agree, this is a problem with the wii too, developers feel they can half ass all of the games that the make. In both cases they have really good platforms to work on, but a large audience that will buy pretty much anything thrown their way so the end result is crappy games that don't utilize the system's potential

bluemanaston

True dat.

I have a PSP and a DS and I think the DS has bad graphics.

I "partially" agree. I do think that the DS should be credited more for its graphics but some games do look quite horrid. If anyone have played Final Fantasy: Crystal Chronicles....the graphics for that are quite decent and the video of the Temple falling looked hectic.simplyBacon

I cannot believe no one has mentioned Dragon Quest: Monsters. That game has graphics so similar to the PS2's Dragon Quest 8's graphics.
And that game alone beats any visuals on the N64. Don't even disagree.

The first cut-scene in FFIV was amazing! And...SuperfastSonic

The DS has very bad graphics thats why I like 2D games better. The DS can't even handle better graphics than an N64.

ColdP1zza

I cannot believe no one has mentioned Dragon Quest: Monsters. That game has graphics so similar to the PS2's Dragon Quest 8's graphics.

And that game alone beats any visuals on the N64. Don't even disagree.riariases

Yup, DQM has pretty good 3D graphics. They still lack emotion through, maybe its because the DS graphics department is still on his base stages and not using their full potential yet?

Wrong. You have zero credibility when you make statments like that.atlanta_guy

Wrong? How? I love the DS but its not going to change the fact that games like conker's bad fur day and Ocarina of time look much better. The DS can have more detail than the N64 but the N64 is much more clean looking compared to the DS's ugly pixelated edges. But I'm justing talking graphics, because the DS does have more proccessing power.

Agree, this is a problem with the wii too, developers feel they can half ass all of the games that the make. In both cases they have really good platforms to work on, but a large audience that will buy pretty much anything thrown their way so the end result is crappy games that don't utilize the system's potential

bluemanaston

I second this

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I cannot believe no one has mentioned Dragon Quest: Monsters. That game has graphics so similar to the PS2's Dragon Quest 8's graphics.

And that game alone beats any visuals on the N64. Don't even disagree.

Yup, DQM has pretty good 3D graphics. They still lack emotion through, maybe its because the DS graphics department is still on his base stages and not using their full potential yet?

I love my DS, but to say it has good graphics (when compared to the competition) is just wishing for something that wasn't there, or trying to defend possibly its only flaw. If someone has a difference of opinion, stop attacking them saying they have no credibility. Terrible.Airek49

I have a PSP and a DS and I think the DS has bad graphics.

Ragnarok1051

I Have a PSP, DS, laptop, and an overclocked PC and I think the DS has good graphics. Get a better reason, man...

P.S. Your sig is a lie

[QUOTE="Ragnarok1051"]

I have a PSP and a DS and I think the DS has bad graphics.

I Have a PSP, DS, laptop, and an overclocked PC and I think the DS has good graphics. Get a better reason, man...

P.S. Your sig is a lie

And compared to a PSP, the graphic capabilities are almost the same.riariases

[QUOTE="riariases"]And compared to a PSP, the graphic capabilities are almost the same.jedinat

The difference isn't that dramatic. More like lateN64to early PS2.

[QUOTE="jedinat"]

[QUOTE="riariases"]And compared to a PSP, the graphic capabilities are almost the same.Nomoreblasphemy

The difference isn't that dramatic. More like lateN64to early PS2.

I think the DS can do amazing 2D games that rivals some of the best on the other systems but when it comes to 3D it's just plain ugly.

FF3 and FF4 looks awful, they would have looked much better in 2d or 2.5D than the extremely ugly 3D games they are now.
I don't care of they are impressive for the DS they still look bad.

I think the DS can do amazing 2D games that rivals some of the best on the other systems but when it comes to 3D it's just plain ugly.

FF3 and FF4 looks awful, they would have looked much better in 2d or 2.5D than the extremely ugly 3D games they are now.
I don't care of they are impressive for the DS they still look bad.

JLF1

[QUOTE="riariases"]And compared to a PSP, the graphic capabilities are almost the same.jedinat

[QUOTE="JLF1"]

I think the DS can do amazing 2D games that rivals some of the best on the other systems but when it comes to 3D it's just plain ugly.

FF3 and FF4 looks awful, they would have looked much better in 2d or 2.5D than the extremely ugly 3D games they are now.
I don't care of they are impressive for the DS they still look bad.

riariases

I believe the statement renders some degree, if not, a lot of ambiguity. The problem with comparisons is that somehow, in order for something to be considered better or worse, a measuring stick or a general standard rulings must be considered as controls. In this case, NDS graphics as compared to other more broader standards, means a "yes" and a "no". For the sake of the DS as itself, then of course, it has good graphics. You just can't compare an ant to an elephant or the canons (classic writings) to the newspaper articles. Comparing a DS to PSP, to be more cut-throat, is a losing battle. Of course, it won't. And that's obvious. Even comparing a DS to a console N64 would even raise some eyebrows. Certain literary criticism dictates to evaluate text based on its text and the content it conveys. The NDS has slants that are different from that of others and so goes the same with others handhelds for that matter. So does NDS have better graphics? The answer is a big YES, if you put it into perspective.

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[QUOTE="JLF1"]

I think the DS can do amazing 2D games that rivals some of the best on the other systems but when it comes to 3D it's just plain ugly.

FF3 and FF4 looks awful, they would have looked much better in 2d or 2.5D than the extremely ugly 3D games they are now.
I don't care of they are impressive for the DS they still look bad.

JLF1

In my opinion, FF3 and FF4 DS looked great. Your opinion is yours. And my opinion is mine. But thats not the point. We're talking about the DS's graphic capabilities. Not the average. Because basically you're saying because most of the DS' games have bad 3D graphics, the DS is incapable of good 3D graphics. We're talking about the best possible graphics to the limit. Which very well compares to PSP graphics. And Valhalla Knights has some of the best graphics for the PSP. And its still laggy. God Of War: COO has the best graphics i've played for the PSP. It lags alot through the game. So game developers are often pushing the limits. If they actually tried to push the limits with the DS, it would look alot similar to some of the best graphics for the PSP.

riariases

The DS doesn't come close too the PSP in graphics.

EDIT: And that is a fact not an opinion.

God Of War: COO has the best graphics i've played for the PSP. It lags alot through the game. So game developers are often pushing the limits. If they actually tried to push the limits with the DS, it would look alot similar to some of the best graphics for the PSP.riariases

[QUOTE="riariases"]God Of War: COO has the best graphics i've played for the PSP. It lags alot through the game. So game developers are often pushing the limits. If they actually tried to push the limits with the DS, it would look alot similar to some of the best graphics for the PSP.Icemael

[QUOTE="riariases"]

In my opinion, FF3 and FF4 DS looked great. Your opinion is yours. And my opinion is mine. But thats not the point. We're talking about the DS's graphic capabilities. Not the average. Because basically you're saying because most of the DS' games have bad 3D graphics, the DS is incapable of good 3D graphics. We're talking about the best possible graphics to the limit. Which very well compares to PSP graphics. And Valhalla Knights has some of the best graphics for the PSP. And its still laggy. God Of War: COO has the best graphics i've played for the PSP. It lags alot through the game. So game developers are often pushing the limits. If they actually tried to push the limits with the DS, it would look alot similar to some of the best graphics for the PSP.

JLF1

The DS doesn't come close too the PSP in graphics.

EDIT: And that is a fact not an opinion.