I think the NX will be Nintendo's last chance . .

What the title says.

I'm pretty sure that even their loyal fans who have supported them throughout the years are leaving from being continuously disappointed the last 5 years or so.

Today's Direct was not good. But there has been worse.

If they screw up the NX then they're done for. They better come out at next years E3 with a BALLZ TO THE WALL stage show that excites the entire gaming community.

We still don't know exactly what the NX is. If it's their next home console, which it likely is, then probably. They have enough money to recover from the Wii U, but another colossal failure will put the hurt to them. Nintendo will have to change something.

@YearoftheSnake5: Yeah. I don't mean that they'll be done financially but I really think that they can lose their dedicated fan base if they screw up again. And losing that would be hard to recover from.

Damn right it is.

No region lock, unified account system, good HDD support this time, regular controller + enhanced Wii mote / nunchuck, a much better CPU than Ps4 and a decent GPU or bust.

They don't even have to get all the multiplats, they just have support their own damn console.

The dedicated fanbase isn't the problem, getting the mainstream is.

I think it goes hand in hand. By securing as many multiplats as possible, they're supporting the console indirectly. The Wii U situation proves that they can't prop up an entire console for a full lifecycle very well on their own. Their resources are stretched paper thin and they have nothing to fill in the gaps, aside from indie support.

I think people will look back at 2015 as being an epic year for Nintendo, how do yall not see all the games? Its true they dont have CoD, Metal Gear, GTA, The Witcher, etc, but everybody has those games.

You're right but I never understood why Nintendo hasn't been buying / building more studios with all the cash they made from the Wii / DS, they can still do that really, not every game has to have a 10-20 million dollar budget.

They need multiplats but they're so thickheaded, they might actually just bring over mobile developers / keep bringing indies over instead of the big guys.

The dedicated fan base is the only thing Nintendo has and even that is dwindling. I don't know how any of these fans (myself included) are not pissed after that one hour of b.s.

Absolutely nothing is worse (in terms of competition) than quitting and that's what I saw at their digital E3 presentation.

@Solaryellow: Exactly my point. The next 2 or 3 years will be very interesting. Oh and Nintendo needs to ax Iwata.

@Solaryellow:What did yall want? What was missing? Is what Nintendo has to offer for 2015 not enough?

@mesome713: Nope. It's not enough. They're in great need of a new IP that can attract the masses. Mario Kart and Smash Brothers isn't going to keep carrying their consoles. Just look at the Wii U sales #'s. They also need to fully embrace online and have a fully unified account system.

Me neither. It's unreal how much they blew it this gen. Nintendo was swimming in money last gen, but didn't invest it in preparing adequately for HD development. They didn't listen to 3rd parties. Nintendo basically thought that they could make a box with "Wii" on it, shovel it out into the market, that it would sell based on branding alone, and that 3rd parties would clamor to the crappy hardware because of popularity. Didn't work out too well for them.

I think it's only the ultra-diehards that are trying to defend this. The vast majority, including a lot of Nintendo fans on this site, think the digital event was terrible.

@thebobster92: So they need Splatoon? Well mates i feel sorry for yall, im happy with Yoshi, Mario Maker, Starfox, Xenoblade, and the new Zelda 3DS and 3DS Paper Mario RPG game. Im super happy for 2015.

Ill even check out the other games coming, but ones above are the ones i want to buy, ill keep an eye out on the Fire Emblem, Animal Crossing, Mario Tennis, and Metroid games. Good luck on yalls games for 2015, im sure yall will find something to play for the holidays. Enjoy mates.

@YearoftheSnake5:

Is there a word meaning worse than terrible? if so, I feel it is appropriate.

All I wanted from this presentation were a few reasons to give Nintendo my money this fall/holiday rather than just Microsoft. Apparently I ask for too much. When is the release date for Yoshi because I missed it? What is Nintendo doing for the 30th anniversary of Mario? All I saw was more talk about Super Mario Maker, some book on how to design levels and some crap about submitting your own Mario video. I know I had to miss something about the 30th.

I'll sum up Nintendo's E3 in the following: It's like going to the store and buying a can of coffee and expecting to smell a wonderful smell upon opening it but when you do, it smells like a sick fart that you can not get out of your nasal passages.

@Solaryellow: Did you miss the Super Paper Mario RPG for 3DS? Also got Mario Tennis, and Super Mario Maker.

@mesome713:

What I saw was more of the same ole, same ole. Another Paper Mario for the 3DS. Even more Zelda games for the 3DS. Another tennis game. A Star Fox looking as if it was made for a previous console. The Metroid looked half-assed all the way. The way Nintendo is pushing Maker makes me believe this is the KILLER app three years removed although the competition this fall won't be kind to it.

@mesome713: I'm totally fine with all the 3DS games, I think that console is doing great . . . for the most part. This thread is basically only about their home console missteps.

The Nintendo NX is Nintendo's last chance. I really hope that it is a console that has up to date hardware so third parties will return to publish games on NX. Nintendo should just make a traditional console. Without any Gimmicks. The Wii U mistakes must be corrected with the Nintendo NX, Since Nintendo cannot support a console by themselves. This years E3 2015 was very sparse for 3rd party support. 7 games for Wii U were shown by all were published by Nintendo themselves and second party studio. Just dance 2016 was the only 3rd party game along with Skylanders 3.0

So just 9 Wii U games compared to many for Xbox one, PlayStation 4 and PC. Nintendo has almost no third party support. The NX has to bring third party developers back to Nintendo. Even indie support is barren on Wii U compared to PC, Xbox One and PlayStation 4.

NX really is Nintendo last chance in the home console market. The Wii U has only sold 9.5 million. It is doubtful the Wii U will reach 10 million sold by it's third birthday. The NX has to turn the dismal 3rd party support around.

@Megavideogamer: I agree, Honestly the Wii U will reach 13 or 14 million sold at the most which is obviously reallllllly bad. Someone needs to smack them across the face.

Nah. Nintendo can weather another Wii U-level catastrophe and still have enough money to enter another generation.

Of course Nintendo can financially weather a failure but that isn't the point. The point is whether or not anyone will stick by Nintendo after continuous blunder. The fan base from the days of the NES is down to hardly anything and nothing is being done to create a new base to go along with the old.

@Solaryellow: Thank you for clarifying that to the poster.

Actually, i hope they just go third party and stick to handhelds and tablets.

OK, let's talk about that. I hated this E3, but I still love my Wii U (to be specific, the games on it) and I do not regret my purchase. I own more games on my Wii U than I do on my PS4 (though my PC still has them both beat by miles). On my PS4 the only non-indie exclusives I own are Bloodborne and TLoU Remastered.

And so while I can say without a doubt that I could have waited a little longer to get a PS4, my Wii U was certainly a good purchase. Yet just because this year's E3 was absolutely dreadful, we are to quickly jump on the Nintendoomed bandwagon? Again?

If Nintendo abandons the Wii U, it was still chock-full of top-quality exclusives that you could not have gotten anywhere else. It's like a GameCube in that regard... and I have fond memories of my GCN. I certainly didn't regret that purchase either.

@Random_Matt: I made a post about 10 years ago here saying that Nintendo should stick to handhelds only because they do 'em right. I don't think that anymore because they would have to much to lose on the home console side.

I'm just going to say it! Nintendo is officially Dead! I am so glad I sold my wii u; in fact, it will be my last product I ever waste money on from nintendo. I grew up with nintendo...snes and n64 will probably be the only consoles when nintendo had life....and now teaming ammibos (used to have 26 of them until I sold them) up with skylanders!!?? Now there just being sellouts....nothing but spin-offs at e3! Sorry fanboys, but after 17 years of playing nintendo, I will officially say it's game over for nintendo! They are better off doing what sega did, kill their consoles and just make games for the better companies!

The Wii U has been DOOMED for a few years now and this E3 proved to me Nintendo can read the writing on the wall concerning this console. No one is buying the damned thing. Yes my friend, it is doomed. Future home consoles are in danger as well if consumers look back on what Nintendo has and has not done in the home market.

In another topic I made mention how Nintendo still has a few ip's they can work with but it wouldn't be worth the time, money and R&D on the Wii U. A few people actually said it would be worth releasing these games......even though the console doesn't sell and the the future is apparently in development. The competition was ready and all Nintendo can counter with are three Guy Smiley's turning into Star Fox toons?

I've got a few minutes to write this before I head off to work, so sorry for my brevity. My point is that the NX is not Nintendo's last chance... not financially and not in terms of pleasing the fanbase. Even if the Wii U is abandoned like the GameCube, it still got a lot of quality games on it within its short lifespan like the GameCube.

The difference between the Wii U and the GameCube was that its main competition, the PS2/PS4 and Xbox/Xbox One, is that now the competition doesn't have a ton of exclusives. The PS2 had WAY more games, and all three consoles that generation had exclusives upon exclusives because multiplats only just started becoming a thing. Compare that to now, where if you can get it on either the XBO or PS4, you can get it on the other and PC. The Wii U is the only dedicated gaming console that you need to have, and boy has it delivered on games.

We can look at the Dreamcast as an extreme example. It lost financially, but within its short life and quick abandonment, it had fantastic exclusives. Even better than the Wii U in comparison. It's an extreme example, but we can look back on it and admit that it would not have lost us as gamers if Sega still had the money in the coffers to make another. Nintendo still has the money, and plenty of it.

People say this ever time there's a new Nintendo console on the horizon.

Nintendo makes games people want to play, they'll continue to sell consoles and make consoles with amazing software.

@mesome713: I mean they're competing against Metal Gear Solid, Battlefront, Halo, Black Ops 3, Rise of the Tomb Raider...how can Nintendo really compete? All they have is a 2d platformer in Yoshi's Wooly World, a niche title in Xenoblade, and a Star Fox game that no one is really 100% sure of yet.

Sorry but this really isn't true. The Wii U is great for Nintendo fans who love what Nintendo has always done; not many people are interested in their style of games anymore. They have the tried and true Smash and Mario Kart. And then some cartoony platforming games in New Super Mario Bros U, Super Mario 3D World, Pikmin 3, Donkey Kong Country, Shovelknight, Rayman Legends, Yoshis Wooly World, etc the Wii U has been out for 3 years and is just now getting an open world rpg style game (Xenoblade) at the end of the year. Wii U has no variety, except for a few games like Bayonetta or Hyrule Warriors, to appeal to people who like games other than the same Mario platforming style ones.

The direct proved what I'm saying- Mario Maker, Mario Tennis, Paper Jam, it's just more Mario with a few knock off games sprinkled in. If you dont like those style of games, you're not going to like WII U. Meanwhile, Sony is coming out with Uncharted 4, Until Dawn, Ratchet & Clank, new games like Horizon and Dreams. Microsft has their Gears, Halo, Forza but also three new really cool looking games in Ashen, Sea of Thieves, and Recore. Plus some of the third party new franchises coming out looked great too- The Division and For Honor are definitely worth looking into. "Wii U has the best exclusives" is very subjective.

@jcrame10: Who would have thought, in order to enjoy and be happy with a Nintendo console would require you to enjoy Nintendo games. I thought this was clear since the N64, but i guess people still cling to that pipe dream that Nintendo needs to copy Sony and Microsoft, sorry, if you want Sony and Microsoft games, then go get a Sony or Microsoft system, its really that simple. Its not like Nintendo lied and promised you a castle on a mountain and in turn delivered you a house on the hill. Nintendo games are for people who like Nintendo games. You dont like Wooly World, well guess what, majority of Nintendo fans do. Nintendo has more to cater to then just Zelda and Metroid fans. I think Wii U has an epic lineup for 2015, even though its only sold 10 million. 3DS should have got more, but im guessing they have some surprises for 3DS fans in 2016.

@mesome713: wow your ignorance is crazy, just like nintendos. You know nothing about business if you think a game maker should appeal to only one demographic- sony and Microsoft consoles continuously win because they appeal to a wider audience, and offer more than the same franchises each gen. Sure Sony may put out a lot of gran Turismo or ratchet and clank, and Microsoft does the same with halo, forza and gears, but compared to the same mario, Zelda, animal crossing, platforming and party games every gen? Nahh

True. But I'll list the top exclusives on Wii U omitting indies:

Super Mario 3D World, Super Smash Bros. U, Bayonetta 2, Wind Waker HD, Mario Kart 8, Pikmin 3, Donkey Kong Country: Tropical Freeze, Monster Hunter 3 Ultimate, Captain Toad Treasure Tracker, Splatoon, Wonderful 101, Hyrule Warriors, and Kirby and the Rainbow Curse. Then there's the exclusives of questionable quality such as Nintendo Land, Zombie U, Mario Party 10, Lego City Undercover, Sonic Lost World, and Game & Wario.

The PS4 exclusives also omitting indies:

Bloodborne, The Last of Us Remastered, Guilty Gear Xrd, Samurai Warriors 4, Killzone Shadowfall, inFamous First Light, Drive Club, The Order 1886, Knack and... no that was it.

Nintendo's E3 this year was hot garbage. The lineup was bleak and the games were not the ones we were asking for. But Nintendo's done this before many a times, and they've both survived it financially and the fanbase that supports them have stuck because the offerings they did have were still enough to warrant the purchase of the hardware. The N64 was worth it just for the few fantastic games it had, the same can be said for the GCN, and even the Wii had enough great Nintendo exclusives to justify its purchase. None of those depended on multiplatorm games to survive.

This topic is Nintendoomed speak, once again, for like the 6th generation in a row. I'm not buying in because of a very bad E3.

@jcrame10: Amen mate, cant wait to play the new CoD or what ever other rehash game they are deciding to make. Assassin Creed 10, i cant wait, them mechanics are all the same in the series, i love it. Uncharted 4, omg, this game runs just like Uncharted 2, so hyped, Uncharted 2 was epic, so Uncharted 4 should be also, they bout the same. What would we do without the great rehashed Sony and rehashed Microsoft, you ready for Halo 5, them new mechanics are going to be off the chain, just like Halo 2. Come on Nintendo, give us some rehashed mechanics. Cant wait for GTA 6, im sure will play just like Vice City.

@mesome713: see this is what I love about nintendo fans: your weak arguments! Quit talking about assassins creed and call of duty. SONY/MICROSOFT DO. NOT. MAKE. THOSE. GAMES. Your sarcasm is pretty pathetic too lol. Seriously call me when RIVAL CONSOLE MAKER also produces dozens of the same game milk for decades.

I'm just going to assume you really are ignorant so I'll try my best to explain for you. Just because a game is featured on a console, doesn't mean the console manufacturer produced it. I know you may find this hard to understand since you've dooped by nintendo for so long, but it's actually true: there's a wide variety of games and developers on competing platforms.

However we can compare nintendo to activision, since both companies are incredibly lazy and unispired. Both companies milk their fanbase. It's really a question of who does it more. How many mario spin offs were announced at e3 again? LOL

For the love of god, stop mentioning the financial situation because no one is disagreeing or even using this as a reason why Nintendo is in trouble with home consoles.

Humans tend to pick up and become aware of trends and we are seeing it in how Nintendo seems to lose support in terms of who is buying their console. All of us saw how the Wii was abandoned a few years after release and we all thought that was because Nintendo was going full force with the Wii U. We saw what transpired. Nintendo clearly looks at the Wii U as a dead system and one that is being kept on life support until the immediate family can make it to the hospital for one last visit. I'm not naive enough to believe Nintendo is going to put everything into a new system. Are you? Based on the track record of this company I can not be fooled again. I refuse to let it happen. Maybe I'll be pleasantly surprised but I will have to see it first.

People do not want this system and yesterday's presentation will not improve the doom and gloom. The current state of the Wii U will not instill any confidence in the future of home consoles from this company.

One does not need to enjoy Sony or MS games in order to enjoy their respective consoles because there is variety with the software. Too bad this isn't the case with Nintendo since all it has going are first party offerings with a few exceptions.

To the guy above me, Nintendo did lie by claiming the Wii U was going to have ample third party support. They bailed like rats on a sinking ship.

@jcrame10: O my bad, i should have talked about rehash Ratchet and Clank, rehash MLB the Show, rehash Killzone, rehash LittleBigPlanet, rehash Uncharted, and rehash God of War, there, is that better.

@mesome713

PS1: Crash Bandicoot, Spyro, Legend of Dragoon, Tomb Raider, Medievil, Twisted Metal, Parappa, Ape Escape, Jet Moto, Coolboarders, Gran Turismo, Tekken

PS2: Jak, Ratchet, Sly, God of War, Shadow of the Collossus, Devil May Cry, Kingdom Hearts, Killzone,

PS3: Uncharted, Infamous, Littlebigplanet, Motorstorm, Heavy Rain, Beyond Two Souls, Ni No Kuni, Valkyria Chronicles, Tales of Xillia, Resistance,

PS4: sucks ass in first party but has a variety of third party at least. still sucks ass though.

N64: Mario, Zelda, Smash Bros, Mario Kart, Goldeneye, Donkey Kong, Pokemon,

Gamecube: Mario, Zelda, Smash Bros, Mario Kart, Metroid, Pokemon, Donkey Kong, Pikmin, Animal Crossing

Wii: All the above plus Last Story, Xenoblade, Pandora's Tower, Wii Sports?

Wii U: Mario 2D, Mario 3D, Mario Party, Mario Kart, Smash Bros, Donkey Kong, Pikmin,

Bolded ones are new, too bad we will probably never see another Last Story though. Yeah who's milking who?

@Solaryellow: Sorry I mentioned financials. The topic was about the NX being Nintendo's last chance so I thought it was fair game. But I also did mention the fanbase, and they've stuck through despite the low lack of third party support on the N64, the GCN, the Wii, and even the Wii U. Why? Because Nintendo keeps making fantastic games, and if they decide to only make games on a potato, those games would somehow still be great enough to maintain a minimum fanbase to continue supporting Nintendo future systems.

@mesome713: Already covered Ratchet & Clank and Gran Turismo. Littlebigplanet has 4 console games, God of War has 4 console games, Uncharted has 4 console games. I don't really see how that is milking compared to say a 2D Mario game in 2012, a Mario 3D game in 2013, and oh look a mario level maker game (which is a feature in LBP since day 1) in 2015. I'm even giving you a break and not mentioning all the spin offs when you honestly could.

Exactly, who cares about financials when it comes to their next console honestly. They could have a billion in the bank or 100 billion, doesnt matter when they've lost consumer faith over the last 2 gens. Financials aren't really a factor in their future success.

PS3 Ratchet and Clank Series

Ratchet & Clank Collection

Ratchet & Clank: All 4 One

Ratchet & Clank: Full Frontal Assault

Ratchet & Clank: Into the Nexus

Ratchet & Clank Future: A Crack in Time

Ratchet & Clank Future: Tools of Destruction

PS3 Uncharted Series

Uncharted

Uncharted 2

Uncharted 3

PS3 LittleBigPlanet Series

LittleBigPlanet

LittleBigPlanet 2

LittleBigPlanet 3

" Yeah who's milking who? "

Your a big boy, im sure you can figure that one out.

@mesome713: why do you keep mentioning ratchet and clank when I already said they milk ratchet and gran turismo? Do you have anything else besides those 2 to say? Oh and a baseball series

Also, according to you 3 uncharted games is milking. So I'm assuming if nintendo had made mario galaxy 3, they'd be in the same boat.

Most of us here know Nintendo has deep pockets and is not in financial disarray. The company could make another or so dud of a system and still have cash. People just aren't on board these days because Nintendo is not changing and adapting to the wants of gamers. Yesterday was just another example of the same crap, different day. Mario is the spotlight.........again! if this company wanted a GTA or Bioshock on its system it would be done but Nintendo does not want to take the risk and hell, why should they? They seem to think Mario will be the knight in shining armor although the armor has been tarnished for a long time.

The fan base, while there, is shrinking. How else can less than 10 mil units sold be explained? That number makes it painfully obvious that even objective Nintendo fans fans are moving on to greener pastures. In Star Trek: The Wrath of Khan, Dr. Marcus tells Kirk there is enough food in the Genesis cave to last a lifetime. That's how I feel already with Nintendo always running back and pushing a Mario (or other familiar name) game. I've had enough of Mario where I can survive for a few years w/o another. There are four Zelda games on the 3DS with two more in development! That's asinine. Looking at the company though, it makes perfect sense.

@jcrame10: I was just wanting to show how bad they milk their games. And you know whats worst of all, bout all of them play exactly the same, they cant even switch up mechanics like Nintendo does, atleast Nintendo changes things to spice their games up, Sony and them just increase graphics and feel thats enough to justify a purchase, which i guess for Sony fans, but that shat would never fly with Nintendo fans. If Nintendo rehashed games like that, Nintendo fans would riot, Nintendo fans cant stand games adding nothing new to the series.

A long time ago, back in 2012...

@mesome713: that's funny, considering mario 3d platformers don't really change at all. Adding a cat suit isn't really grounds for progression. You can say the same with ratchet and clank though, new game mechanics, weapons and stuff to do in them. Ratchet has had too many games though, no doubt about it. I was happy when Insominac announced Sunset Overdrive, which I think is one of the best next gen games out right now.

At least Sony gives developers freedom to be creative though. You can't really say that about Nintendo/Retro or Microsoft/343 Studios. When will Retro be allowed to make an original game, not an existing franchise?

I think Nintendo did their job, they created a nice base for Third Party to join, its not Nintendos fault Third Party bailed. Its clear why Third Party bailed this time, Sony and Microsoft arent producing 1st party games like they use to and have most likely worked deals with Third Party to keep competition sparse. What Third Party Developer in their right mind would come to Wii U and compete with Nintendo 1st party sales? Third Party would much rather produce games for systems with less competition.