I'd rather have a new 2D Zelda than a 3D one

A true successor to Zelda: A Link to the Past. I think the wii-mote would be better suited, similiarly to the DS stylet use. The gameplay footage of the new Zelda doesn't have me as excited as I once was for new Zelda games. Partially because it's another 3D incarnation....and secondly because I don't like their application for the wii-mote/sword use. If I'm going to enjoy another 3D Zelda..I'll just replay Ocarina of time.

Cool story bro. Just buy the DS ones then.

Gameplay wise there's not a big difference between 2D and 3D zeldas

Cool story bro. Just buy the DS ones then.

Zanoh

I perfer 3D Zelda.

I'd like Nintendo to remake the BS Zelda games from the SNES Satalletiview and put them (since there's 2) on Wiiware.

I wouldn't mind another 2D Zelda; Mario still exists in its 2D (well, 2.5D) and its 3D form, so why not Zelda? The last 2D Zelda (Minish Cap) was delightful.

I would cry. Seriously thats why they have the handheld ones. We have seen 2 "2d ones" it is NOW time for a 3d one.

The last 2 Zelda Games were 2.5D

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Cool story bro. Just buy the DS ones then.

elbert_b_23

Yes because 25 hours is short, someone hates the DS I guess cause it uses almost every feature possible

I wouldn't mind another 2D Zelda; Mario still exists in its 2D (well, 2.5D) and its 3D form, so why not Zelda? The last 2D Zelda (Minish Cap) was delightful.

VGobbsesser

Cool story bro. Just buy the DS ones then.

Zanoh

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I wouldn't mind another 2D Zelda; Mario still exists in its 2D (well, 2.5D) and its 3D form, so why not Zelda? The last 2D Zelda (Minish Cap) was delightful.

Sepewrath

Console-wise, I meant; I'd like a new 2D Zelda on consoles. And while the subject is up, I found Phantom Hourglass to be good, but pretty flawed.

I prefer the 2D Zeldas too, but Skyward Sword looks great. If you want to play a 2D Zelda, just replay the old ones. There is also a fan game for PC called TLOZ: Parallel Worlds. Look it up.

Console-wise, I meant; I'd like a new 2D Zelda on consoles. And while the subject is up, I found Phantom Hourglass to be good, but pretty flawed.

VGobbsesser

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Console-wise, I meant; I'd like a new 2D Zelda on consoles. And while the subject is up, I found Phantom Hourglass to be good, but pretty flawed.

Sepewrath

2D and 3D Zelda are quite a bit different, with the way the overworld, puzzles, and dungeons are designed. Sure, they have more in common than 2D/3D Mario, but that doesn't mean they're exactly the same. True 2D and true 3D design are inherently very different, anyway.

We have 11 2D zeldas (not counting CD-i) and 4 3D, I think its time for that 3D one. I do hope though that the 3DS goes back to standard controls and not touch screen for the next zelda. Too easy with touch screen.

2D and 3D Zelda are quite a bit different, with the way the overworld, puzzles, and dungeons are designed. Sure, they have more in common than 2D/3D Mario, but that doesn't mean they're exactly the same. True 2D and true 3D design are inherently very different, anyway.VGobbsesser

2D and 3D Zelda are quite a bit different, with the way the overworld, puzzles, and dungeons are designed. Sure, they have more in common than 2D/3D Mario, but that doesn't mean they're exactly the same. True 2D and true 3D design are inherently very different, anyway.

VGobbsesser

Yeah but that was what the magic of OoT was all about, 2D and 3D design is inherently different, but Nintendo figured out how to take Zelda's exceptional 2D design and bring it to 3D and then add elements that would not work in 2D. Their not different enough to warrant a legitimate reason to go 2D over 3D except the aesthetics. And you lose elements that would only work or work best, in 3D. Sepewrath

And there are elements that don't work in 3D that work in 2D. What's your point?

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I wouldn't mind another 2D Zelda; Mario still exists in its 2D (well, 2.5D) and its 3D form, so why not Zelda? The last 2D Zelda (Minish Cap) was delightful.

VGobbsesser

Console-wise, I meant; I'd like a new 2D Zelda on consoles. And while the subject is up, I found Phantom Hourglass to be good, but pretty flawed.

Minish Cap was a Handheld title. If you wanted Console wise 2D Zelda you should have said 4 Sword Adventure.

[QUOTE="Sepewrath"]Yeah but that was what the magic of OoT was all about, 2D and 3D design is inherently different, but Nintendo figured out how to take Zelda's exceptional 2D design and bring it to 3D and then add elements that would not work in 2D. Their not different enough to warrant a legitimate reason to go 2D over 3D except the aesthetics. And you lose elements that would only work or work best, in 3D. VGobbsesser

And there are elements that don't work in 3D that work in 2D. What's your point?

Minish Cap was a Handheld title. If you wanted Console wise 2D Zelda you should have said 4 Sword Adventure.

LegatoSkyheart

Heh, you're right; I did contradict myself.

Not in Zelda there isn't, anything you can do in 2D Zelda, you can do in a 3D Zelda. Sepewrath

You wouldn't make a puzzle or a dungeon in 3D the same way you would in 2D, would you? Likewise, combat is significantly different beast, is it not?

Heh, you're right; I did contradict myself.

[QUOTE="Sepewrath"] Not in Zelda there isn't, anything you can do in 2D Zelda, you can do in a 3D Zelda. LegatoSkyheart

You wouldn't make a puzzle or a dungeon in 3D the same way you would in 2D, would you? Likewise, combat is significantly different beast, is it not?

This guy is right. No game that is 3D (angle, vs a 2d angle) is the same as 2D as it simply cannot be.

Do you know why you often hear people complaining that Zelda is the same, that's because its puzzles and combat is very similar to what was in the 2D games. i.e. doesn't the combat in Skyward Sword look awfully familiar if you played Zelda II? I'll say it again, there is nothing, not a single thing you can do in a 2D Zelda game that you cant do in 3D. Just about everything that has been done in 2D Zelda games have been done in the 3D games. Sepewrath

Your argument is not what you stated at the end. It would have to be, just about anything that is done in the 3D games has been done in the 2D games. Although that is wrong, of course much has been done on both, but it feels completely different. You shoot enemies in metroid prime just as you do in the 2D ones, but the way you do it, is COMPLETELY different.

Do you know why you often hear people complaining that Zelda is the same, that's because its puzzles and combat is very similar to what was in the 2D games. i.e. doesn't the combat in Skyward Sword look awfully familiar if you played Zelda II? I'll say it again, there is nothing, not a single thing you can do in a 2D Zelda game that you cant do in 3D. Just about everything that has been done in 2D Zelda games have been done in the 3D games. Sepewrath

People criticize Skyward Sword for being similar to the other 3D Zelda titles, not the 2D games. 2D and 3D feel and are completely different, and the execution of similar concepts is not the same. With your logic, are you implying that shooting a bow is exactly the same in Minish Cap as it is in Twilight Princess? Or that fighting Dark Link in Ocarina of Time feels similar to the battle in Zelda II? It sure seems like it.

Yes, I am saying that. And I guess you meant to say people criticize Twilight Princess, because we have nothing on Skyward Sword yet outside of the mechanics of combat. The only 2D Zelda I wouldn't compare--yet, is Zelda II, but it even seems like that combat that really couldn't have been done effectively in 3D, now can be done in 3D. So lets see a battle against Dark Link would feel similar. Does shooting a bow in the original Zelda feel similar to what is done in Twilight Princess? Yes. Does lighting up a room in the original Zelda feel the same as in Twilight Princess? Yes. Does a multi level, block puzzle feel the same in 2D as it does in 3D?Absolutely.

Its sounds like you two are trying to argue that shooting with Dpad in 3rd person, feels different than shooting first person with the analog stick. And while that is true, obviously. I'm talking about the mechanics and they don't feel drastically different, because they took the 2D gameplay and put it in 3D. So lets go backwards; lets do the obstacle course from Lon Lon Ranch in 2D, lets do the double clawshot platforming in 2D Zelda, how about we just aim up in 2D. Face simple reality, I don't know why your arguing this, I'm not throwing out internet opinion as fact here, you know good and well that you cant simply apply 3D gameplay to 2D. But you can and it has been done plenty of times i.e. Zelda, you can apply 2D gameplay to 3D. You know like bombs, hookshot, spin attack, things like that.

But hey if you want to believe that a 2D Zelda is a universe apart from 3D, knock yourself out.

Yes, I am saying that. And I guess you meant to say people criticize Twilight Princess, because we have nothing on Skyward Sword yet outside of the mechanics of combat. The only 2D Zelda I wouldn't compare--yet, is Zelda II, but it even seems like that combat that really couldn't have been done effectively in 3D, now can be done in 3D. So lets see a battle against Dark Link would feel similar. Does shooting a bow in the original Zelda feel similar to what is done in Twilight Princess? Yes. Does lighting up a room in the original Zelda feel the same as in Twilight Princess? Yes. Does a multi level, block puzzle feel the same in 2D as it does in 3D?Absolutely.

Its sounds like you two are trying to argue that shooting with Dpad in 3rd person, feels different than shooting first person with the analog stick. And while that is true, obviously. I'm talking about the mechanics and they don't feel drastically different, because they took the 2D gameplay and put it in 3D. So lets go backwards; lets do the obstacle course from Lon Lon Ranch in 2D, lets do the double clawshot platforming in 2D Zelda, how about we just aim up in 2D. Face simple reality, I don't know why your arguing this, I'm not throwing out internet opinion as fact here, you know good and well that you cant simply apply 3D gameplay to 2D. But you can and it has been done plenty of times i.e. Zelda, you can apply 2D gameplay to 3D. You know like bombs, hookshot, spin attack, things like that.

But hey if you want to believe that a 2D Zelda is a universe apart from 3D, knock yourself out.

Sepewrath

WRONG...WRONG....WRONG WRONG....WRONG!

I'm happy with Zelda in 3D. I'm excited about Skyward Sword.

Yes, I am saying that. And I guess you meant to say people criticize Twilight Princess, because we have nothing on Skyward Sword yet outside of the mechanics of combat. The only 2D Zelda I wouldn't compare--yet, is Zelda II, but it even seems like that combat that really couldn't have been done effectively in 3D, now can be done in 3D. So lets see a battle against Dark Link would feel similar. Does shooting a bow in the original Zelda feel similar to what is done in Twilight Princess? Yes. Does lighting up a room in the original Zelda feel the same as in Twilight Princess? Yes. Does a multi level, block puzzle feel the same in 2D as it does in 3D?Absolutely.

Sepewrath

Can't say I feel the same way at all. Shooting a bow and a bunch of other stuff the franchise has done in both 2D and 3D don't feel the same to me with each different styIe of gameplay, since they're each radically different.

I'm talking about the mechanics and they don't feel drastically different, because they took the 2D gameplay and put it in 3D. So lets go backwards; lets do the obstacle course from Lon Lon Ranch in 2D, lets do the double clawshot platforming in 2D Zelda, how about we just aim up in 2D. Face simple reality, I don't know why your arguing this, I'm not throwing out internet opinion as fact here, you know good and well that you cant simply apply 3D gameplay to 2D. But you can and it has been done plenty of times i.e. Zelda, you can apply 2D gameplay to 3D. You know like bombs, hookshot, spin attack, things like that.

But hey if you want to believe that a 2D Zelda is a universe apart from 3D, knock yourself out.

Sepewrath

You keep changing what you're talking about; first, it was "2D and 3D feel the same," which I completely disagree with, and then it sometimes turns into "what can be done in 3D can't be done in 2D," which seems to counter the other point.

The developers had to radically adapt the mechanics to make them work in 3D. The basic ideas are the same, but the means of making them work and fit in context are different. Combat had to be altered because the way it functioned in 2D space wouldn't work in a 3D world. Hence Z-targetting. Dungeons had to be designed differently in order to be more organic and feel natural, so they couldn't be laid out like in 2D space. Aiming is different, as well.

I find it very hard to follow your argument, as like I said before, you keep changing exactly what you're discussing, and you seem to contradict yourself a few times.

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Yes, I am saying that. And I guess you meant to say people criticize Twilight Princess, because we have nothing on Skyward Sword yet outside of the mechanics of combat. The only 2D Zelda I wouldn't compare--yet, is Zelda II, but it even seems like that combat that really couldn't have been done effectively in 3D, now can be done in 3D. So lets see a battle against Dark Link would feel similar. Does shooting a bow in the original Zelda feel similar to what is done in Twilight Princess? Yes. Does lighting up a room in the original Zelda feel the same as in Twilight Princess? Yes. Does a multi level, block puzzle feel the same in 2D as it does in 3D?Absolutely.

VGobbsesser

Can't say I feel the same way at all. Shooting a bow and a bunch of other stuff the franchise has done in both 2D and 3D don't feel the same to me with each different styIe of gameplay, since they're each radically different.

I'm talking about the mechanics and they don't feel drastically different, because they took the 2D gameplay and put it in 3D. So lets go backwards; lets do the obstacle course from Lon Lon Ranch in 2D, lets do the double clawshot platforming in 2D Zelda, how about we just aim up in 2D. Face simple reality, I don't know why your arguing this, I'm not throwing out internet opinion as fact here, you know good and well that you cant simply apply 3D gameplay to 2D. But you can and it has been done plenty of times i.e. Zelda, you can apply 2D gameplay to 3D. You know like bombs, hookshot, spin attack, things like that.

But hey if you want to believe that a 2D Zelda is a universe apart from 3D, knock yourself out.

Sepewrath

You keep changing what you're talking about; first, it was "2D and 3D feel the same," which I completely disagree with, and then it sometimes turns into "what can be done in 3D can't be done in 2D," which seems to counter the other point.

The developers had to radically adapt the mechanics to make them work in 3D. The basic ideas are the same, but the means of making them work and fit in context are different. Combat had to be altered because the way it functioned in 2D space wouldn't work in a 3D world. Hence Z-targetting. Dungeons had to be designed differently in order to be more organic and feel natural, so they couldn't be laid out like in 2D space. Aiming is different, as well.

I find it very hard to follow your argument, as like I said before, you keep changing exactly what you're discussing, and you seem to contradict yourself a few times.

I didn't change anything, I said 2D and 3D Zelda feels the same, i say again. 2D and 3D Zelda feels the same. Are the controls different yes, but does dropping a bomb in a dondongo in the original feel different from OoT? No it doesn't. There is no contradiction, there is nothing to follow, 2D Zelda and 3D Zelda share the same basic mechanics, that's all I've said and I simply tried to make it easier for you to understand. PoindeJ seems to get it. If anyone is changing its you, first you were talking like there is an advantage to 2D gameplay because it can do things that cant be done in 3D, which would have been true a few weeks ago before seeing Skyward Swords combat, but that's true. Then your saying that the games, I guess are mechanically different, which is also not true.

So to make it perfectly clear, so there is no confusion, here is where I stand. Starting with OoT, the Zelda games adopted the mechanics of the 2D Zelda's and brought them to 3D. Then Nintendo added on top of that elements that could not be done in 2D. Therefore moving back to 2D would only have the benefit of losing those elements. So what's your stand?

I would like and example, just one puzzle (it can be from past zeldas) that only can be done in 2D, please

Likewise, combat is significantly different beast, is it not?

VGobbsesser

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Can't say I feel the same way at all. Shooting a bow and a bunch of other stuff the franchise has done in both 2D and 3D don't feel the same to me with each different styIe of gameplay, since they're each radically different.

[QUOTE="Sepewrath"]

I'm talking about the mechanics and they don't feel drastically different, because they took the 2D gameplay and put it in 3D. So lets go backwards; lets do the obstacle course from Lon Lon Ranch in 2D, lets do the double clawshot platforming in 2D Zelda, how about we just aim up in 2D. Face simple reality, I don't know why your arguing this, I'm not throwing out internet opinion as fact here, you know good and well that you cant simply apply 3D gameplay to 2D. But you can and it has been done plenty of times i.e. Zelda, you can apply 2D gameplay to 3D. You know like bombs, hookshot, spin attack, things like that.

But hey if you want to believe that a 2D Zelda is a universe apart from 3D, knock yourself out.

You keep changing what you're talking about; first, it was "2D and 3D feel the same," which I completely disagree with, and then it sometimes turns into "what can be done in 3D can't be done in 2D," which seems to counter the other point.

The developers had to radically adapt the mechanics to make them work in 3D. The basic ideas are the same, but the means of making them work and fit in context are different. Combat had to be altered because the way it functioned in 2D space wouldn't work in a 3D world. Hence Z-targetting. Dungeons had to be designed differently in order to be more organic and feel natural, so they couldn't be laid out like in 2D space. Aiming is different, as well.

I find it very hard to follow your argument, as like I said before, you keep changing exactly what you're discussing, and you seem to contradict yourself a few times.

we won't see a proper 2d zelda for a while. nintendo is stuck on gimmicky irritating touch controls on ds version (thank god for d-pad/button AR code, made hourglass slightly more enjoyable), as well as dumb features (looking at spirit tracks).

i'm currently playing links awakening, ooa and oos and having fun.

In my opinion the best chance a 2D Zelda game has of life is a wiiware release.

I'm up for a 2D Zelda as long as they let me move with the Control Pad and swing my sword with the A or B Button. Nintendo, this is really all you have to do to make the next 2D Zelda good, like Link to the Past or the Oracle games.Charpig

I agree, as ALtTP is my favorite 2D zelda followed closely by the Oracle games. I am happy they are making a 3D one though. They should make an amazing 2D one either on the 3DS or Wiiware.

2d mario. sweet. 2d dk, holy poop hopefully awesome. 2d zelda? Are you kidding me? And I thought TP was a step back...lol.

2d mario. sweet. 2d dk, holy poop hopefully awesome. 2d zelda? Are you kidding me? And I thought TP was a step back...lol.

knuckl3head

haha yeah I am glad they didnt go back to 2D with zelda. I like both, but I prefer 3D for zelda. Donkey kong was much better in 2D and metroid is amazing in both but it was time for a throw back (even though it is not completely old feeling, rather unique actually), but zelda gets 2D and 3D often.

I wouldn't mind a WiiWare 2d Zelda. With the maximum WiiWare limit, you could roughly make a game about 8 times the size of aLttP. Could you imagine that? You could have like 30 dungeons lol.

Even if it wasn't a WiiWare game, I'd probably pay $30 for that. It would keep me busy for quite awhile

I wouldn't mind a WiiWare 2d Zelda. With the maximum WiiWare limit, you could roughly make a game about 8 times the size of aLttP. Could you imagine that? You could have like 30 dungeons lol.

Even if it wasn't a WiiWare game, I'd probably pay $30 for that. It would keep me busy for quite awhile

redlightstudios

Although the amount of dungeons does not directly link to the size of the game, it would be more like 96 :P

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I wouldn't mind a WiiWare 2d Zelda. With the maximum WiiWare limit, you could roughly make a game about 8 times the size of aLttP. Could you imagine that? You could have like 30 dungeons lol.

Even if it wasn't a WiiWare game, I'd probably pay $30 for that. It would keep me busy for quite awhile

NaveedLife

Although the amount of dungeons does not directly link to the size of the game, it would be more like 96 :P

lmao yeah I totally just came back realizing that my math was off big time. I was hoping I caught it lol.

Now further thinking into it, doesn't 40MB=320Mb (roughly) Everything I see says that a 1 MB= 8 Mb. Who knows though, I am still a little tired lol. EIther way, it would be way bigger than the original