If the Wii finished up next year, how would you rate it?

Let's say we get our Christmas Wii games this year, and next year get our awesome Zelda, (speculation here) get another couple Nintendo games like Pikmin 3 or F Zero Wii, and some more good 3rd party stuff, nothing major but some fun games.

Then Nintendo releases Wii 2 for Christmas 2011, and drops all support for the Wii.

How would you rate the Wii overall, assuming that was it?

(Don't be offended by the poll options, gotta let the angry people express themselves as well as the happy people :P)

Definitely has a lot of good to it, such as backwards compatability, reliability, motion controls (FPS games rock), some great titles, mainly first party.

Also has many flaws that hold it back, such as awful graphics, non HD, bad online support, bad third party support, motion controls (gimmicks), and other stuff.

I just want to see the next console be more on par in terms of power and features with the other consoles, as well as some better third party support. Great console, but too much gimmicky stuff and not enough power :P.

I would give it a 8 or 3 stars it goes down if theres no successor next year

I give it 4 stars out of 5 overall.

7/10 It's potential in both gameplay and visuals have not been fully utilized by developers--even Nintendo is guilty of that.

I voted "Quite a failure, motion and the console itself promised much, delivered little" mainly because I believed the Wii was a fail, not supporting HD titles and poor graphics, many many poor and cheaply developed games, only a few 1st party games I really enjoyed, the lack of any actual online is a big let down, themotion controlling is terribly off and unnacurate can be very frusterating. It just wasnt worth it to me, and wasnt a win in my book.

10/10 because I have many many games for the Wii:D

I voted "Quite a failure, motion and the console itself promised much, delivered little" mainly because I believed the Wii was a fail, not supporting HD titles and poor graphics, many many poor and cheaply developed games, only a few 1st party games I really enjoyed, the lack of any actual online is a big let down, themotion controlling is terribly off and unnacurate can be very frusterating. It just wasnt worth it to me, and wasnt a win in my book.

SEGAmaniac7

A solid 3 out of 10

Everything attached to the Wii has been a missed opportunity

There's always been a lack of software support but in 2008 Nintendo says they're going to put a halt to new titles to instead focus on Gamecube remakes. The result is that the software for the Wii got worse and it's not surprising that from that point onward the Wii has been a bigger and bigger liability for Nintendo where it's losing more then 40% of it's revenue.

The Wiimote was an inaccurate design and further tweaking of the Wiimotion Plus helped fragment the audience. What's worse is that the Wiimotion Plus tech was never adopted by all software makers for the Wii. Even worse was that Nintendo made everyone pay for how the device should have worked in the first place.

The Virtual Console was a huge plus until we found out that Nintnedo wasn't interested in supporting it as time went by and then further complicated by archaic licensing that helps tie into my next point.

There's black and red consoles and that's usually a way to help spur people into buying new hardware but because the licensing problems means that unless you send 2 consoles to Nintendo none of the games can move from one console to the other.

If Nintendo kept the hammer down in 2008 and didn't let up we would see a more successful Wii
If Nintendo released the Wiimotion Plus at no cost to current Wii owners and then made it mandatory to be used in games we would see a more successful Wii
If Nintendo was dedicated to the Virtual Console we would see a more successful Wii
If Nintendo allowed modern digital rights with their owner's purchases we'd see a more successful Wii

You can't fault Nintendo for what it did right with the console but you also need to see the faults in the console and they're pretty glaring

9 out of 10 the only flaws are 3rd part support is lacking and it also needs better online service like ditching friend codes.

[QUOTE="locopatho"][QUOTE="wiifan001"]10 out of 10. No less. Actually 10/10 is an understatement. This is the best console. Ever. Nintendo's one problem this gen was new play control, a minor software issue. Nintendo is the best. Wii is the best of the best. Of the best.wiifan001

You ignored everything wrong with the console

[QUOTE="wiifan001"][QUOTE="locopatho"] Haha you have a very strong opinion, I like that :PJaysonguy

You ignored everything wrong with the console

[QUOTE="Jaysonguy"]

[QUOTE="wiifan001"] Nintendo has done it all. New IPs (Endless Ocean, the Wii ___ titles, Flingsmash) many sequels of past franchises, sequels of sequels newly out on the Wii (smg2 and endless ocean 2). Many of the Nintendo titles on the Wii are arguably the best in the franchise (Paper Mario, Prime 3, smash bros brawl, smg 1 & 2, Batallion wars 2, etc.) They've published 3rd party developed titles. They let other companies use their licensed franchises. Nintendo dominated the industry. Nintendo spread influence of motion controls to the lesser companies- MS and Sony. The Virtual Console is a huge, huge contribution. The friend codes are under appreciated, and there's nothing to complain about Nintendo's online quality (ok so it's not up to par to PSN but big deal, but it is free) I've never had a dull moment with my wii. It's been all Nintendo this gen. Wii is the best. Period.wiifan001

You ignored everything wrong with the console

That's the thing, they STARTED this gen by offering things and getting the power to do more but in under two years they sat on their laurels and stopped advancing the console.

Every single move forward they made this generation has been counted with a step backward that they caused themselves. It's not like they were beaten to the punch and that's why they started slipping backwards, it's Nintendo causing their own problems by not moving forward during this generation.

For some reason you want to overlook that, you're making it sound like they did a great thing just because it has some games you like and you're ignoring the overall facts of the situation.

Wii

5 Stars

10 outta 10

Siskel and Ebert give it two thumbs up

Rabbids give it two bunny ears up

Comments

NY Times best sellers list for consoles this gen!

Game industry heralds the Wii for changing the way we interact with playing games.

Critics give it praise for Motioning in Motion Controls and paving the way for things like Kinect and Move (which suxs by the way) and what ever else nintendo has in store for us.

Now direct your attention below as we introduce the Wii (CROWD CLAPS)

A solid 3 out of 10

Everything attached to the Wii has been a missed opportunity

There's always been a lack of software support but in 2008 Nintendo says they're going to put a halt to new titles to instead focus on Gamecube remakes. The result is that the software for the Wii got worse and it's not surprising that from that point onward the Wii has been a bigger and bigger liability for Nintendo where it's losing more then 40% of it's revenue.

The Wiimote was an inaccurate design and further tweaking of the Wiimotion Plus helped fragment the audience. What's worse is that the Wiimotion Plus tech was never adopted by all software makers for the Wii. Even worse was that Nintendo made everyone pay for how the device should have worked in the first place.

The Virtual Console was a huge plus until we found out that Nintnedo wasn't interested in supporting it as time went by and then further complicated by archaic licensing that helps tie into my next point.

There's black and red consoles and that's usually a way to help spur people into buying new hardware but because the licensing problems means that unless you send 2 consoles to Nintendo none of the games can move from one console to the other.

If Nintendo kept the hammer down in 2008 and didn't let up we would see a more successful Wii
If Nintendo released the Wiimotion Plus at no cost to current Wii owners and then made it mandatory to be used in games we would see a more successful Wii
If Nintendo was dedicated to the Virtual Console we would see a more successful Wii
If Nintendo allowed modern digital rights with their owner's purchases we'd see a more successful Wii

You can't fault Nintendo for what it did right with the console but you also need to see the faults in the console and they're pretty glaring

Jaysonguy

[QUOTE="wiifan001"][QUOTE="Jaysonguy"]

You ignored everything wrong with the console

Jaysonguy

That's the thing, they STARTED this gen by offering things and getting the power to do more but in under two years they sat on their laurels and stopped advancing the console.

Every single move forward they made this generation has been counted with a step backward that they caused themselves. It's not like they were beaten to the punch and that's why they started slipping backwards, it's Nintendo causing their own problems by not moving forward during this generation.

For some reason you want to overlook that, you're making it sound like they did a great thing just because it has some games you like and you're ignoring the overall facts of the situation.

Nintendo never advanced their consoles. And they never "pushed forward" their consoles. They improved their controllers last year with the wii motion plus. Sure, it's not perfect, but it was a big step forward.

What kinds of steps backwards? That doesn't make sense. Aside new play control. Whatever Nintendo brings to the table it supports what console it is they're working with.

i think its awesome but not perfect. 9/10

1. the graphics could have been 720p
2. if most of the virtual console multiplayer games had online...imagine plaing mario kart64 or smash 64 online with people.... nintendo need to seriously do this for the next console... they have so many ****cs it would totally own.

Nintendo never advanced their consoles. And they never "pushed forward" their consoles. They improved their controllers last year with the wii motion plus. Sure, it's not perfect, but it was a big step forward.

What kinds of steps backwards? That doesn't make sense. Aside new play control. Whatever Nintendo brings to the table it supports what console it is they're working with.

wiifan001

I already said the list

Everything attached to the Wii has been a missed opportunity

There's always been a lack of software support but in 2008 Nintendo says they're going to put a halt to new titles to instead focus on Gamecube remakes. The result is that the software for the Wii got worse and it's not surprising that from that point onward the Wii has been a bigger and bigger liability for Nintendo where it's losing more then 40% of it's revenue.

The Wiimote was an inaccurate design and further tweaking of the Wiimotion Plus helped fragment the audience. What's worse is that the Wiimotion Plus tech was never adopted by all software makers for the Wii. Even worse was that Nintendo made everyone pay for how the device should have worked in the first place.

The Virtual Console was a huge plus until we found out that Nintnedo wasn't interested in supporting it as time went by and then further complicated by archaic licensing that helps tie into my next point.

There's black and red consoles and that's usually a way to help spur people into buying new hardware but because the licensing problems means that unless you send 2 consoles to Nintendo none of the games can move from one console to the other.

If Nintendo kept the hammer down in 2008 and didn't let up we would see a more successful Wii
If Nintendo released the Wiimotion Plus at no cost to current Wii owners and then made it mandatory to be used in games we would see a more successful Wii
If Nintendo was dedicated to the Virtual Console we would see a more successful Wii
If Nintendo allowed modern digital rights with their owner's purchases we'd see a more successful Wii

Jaysonguy

Advancing their controller with Wiimotion Plus isn't a step forward because they never made it the new standard. They essentially made the Wiimote work how it should have worked at launch but then instead of giving everyone who already owned a Wii a Wiimotion Plus add on for their Wiimotes they just pushed them into the marketplace so that some Wii owners had them and some Wii owners didn't and who cares who picked them up because they never told game makers that all games had to work with it.

Nintendo had great chances to build up the Wii and instead they rested. It's not like they started this generation in the hole, from day one they have been leading and have had the resources to do whatever they wanted and they didn't. In my book it's a bigger sin to have the power to act and do nothing then to never be in the position to do anything.

The Wiimotion Plus should have never been optional for anyone, users or devs. Every Wii owner should have one and every dev should have to plan around it. The fact that Nintendo fragmented their userbase themselves is one of the biggest mistakes in the history of gaming.

Things like the Virtual Console that they gave up and digital rights that aren't anywhere close to modern usage.

Nintendo had all the cards this gen with the Wii and could have turned it into the biggest powerhouse in the history of gaming and instead they held themselves back and there was no reason to.

Yes it's a great console and Nintendo has done great things but the mistakes have also been great in size

1. NES

2. N64

3. Wii

4. Gamecube

5. SNES (I don't hold the SNES as high as some people do)

The Wii was solid, with some fantastic games. And I think by the end of it's lifespan it'll surpass the N64 on my persona list. The NES will always reign supreme.

[QUOTE="SEGAmaniac7"]

I voted "Quite a failure, motion and the console itself promised much, delivered little" mainly because I believed the Wii was a fail, not supporting HD titles and poor graphics, many many poor and cheaply developed games, only a few 1st party games I really enjoyed, the lack of any actual online is a big let down, themotion controlling is terribly off and unnacurate can be very frusterating. It just wasnt worth it to me, and wasnt a win in my book.

elbert_b_23

[QUOTE="wiifan001"]

Nintendo never advanced their consoles. And they never "pushed forward" their consoles. They improved their controllers last year with the wii motion plus. Sure, it's not perfect, but it was a big step forward.

What kinds of steps backwards? That doesn't make sense. Aside new play control. Whatever Nintendo brings to the table it supports what console it is they're working with.

Jaysonguy

I already said the list

Everything attached to the Wii has been a missed opportunity

There's always been a lack of software support but in 2008 Nintendo says they're going to put a halt to new titles to instead focus on Gamecube remakes. The result is that the software for the Wii got worse and it's not surprising that from that point onward the Wii has been a bigger and bigger liability for Nintendo where it's losing more then 40% of it's revenue.

The Wiimote was an inaccurate design and further tweaking of the Wiimotion Plus helped fragment the audience. What's worse is that the Wiimotion Plus tech was never adopted by all software makers for the Wii. Even worse was that Nintendo made everyone pay for how the device should have worked in the first place.

The Virtual Console was a huge plus until we found out that Nintnedo wasn't interested in supporting it as time went by and then further complicated by archaic licensing that helps tie into my next point.

There's black and red consoles and that's usually a way to help spur people into buying new hardware but because the licensing problems means that unless you send 2 consoles to Nintendo none of the games can move from one console to the other.

If Nintendo kept the hammer down in 2008 and didn't let up we would see a more successful Wii
If Nintendo released the Wiimotion Plus at no cost to current Wii owners and then made it mandatory to be used in games we would see a more successful Wii
If Nintendo was dedicated to the Virtual Console we would see a more successful Wii
If Nintendo allowed modern digital rights with their owner's purchases we'd see a more successful Wii

Jaysonguy

Advancing their controller with Wiimotion Plus isn't a step forward because they never made it the new standard. They essentially made the Wiimote work how it should have worked at launch but then instead of giving everyone who already owned a Wii a Wiimotion Plus add on for their Wiimotes they just pushed them into the marketplace so that some Wii owners had them and some Wii owners didn't and who cares who picked them up because they never told game makers that all games had to work with it.

Nintendo had great chances to build up the Wii and instead they rested. It's not like they started this generation in the hole, from day one they have been leading and have had the resources to do whatever they wanted and they didn't. In my book it's a bigger sin to have the power to act and do nothing then to never be in the position to do anything.

The Wiimotion Plus should have never been optional for anyone, users or devs. Every Wii owner should have one and every dev should have to plan around it. The fact that Nintendo fragmented their userbase themselves is one of the biggest mistakes in the history of gaming.

Things like the Virtual Console that they gave up and digital rights that aren't anywhere close to modern usage.

Nintendo had all the cards this gen with the Wii and could have turned it into the biggest powerhouse in the history of gaming and instead they held themselves back and there was no reason to.

Yes it's a great console and Nintendo has done great things but the mistakes have also been great in size

1. Wii Motion+ for free? Are you kidding? That's bad business. And if Nintendo could've put Wii Motion+ in at launch, they would have.

2. The Virtual Console is still releasing, and for the first of it's kind, is doing a fairly impressive job. Sure, there's a few games I'd still like to see, but so far it's been solid.

3. You don't make any specific points to how the Wii could've been this "powerhouse." Over 70+million in counting installed, and of course they're going to lose 40% of their revenue when they've saturated the market. The room for growth is limited. Otherwise, sounds like a powerhouse to me.

4. I think the missed opportunity has come with core games. There have been some gems. First party games have been arguably the best in each of their series. But the 3rd party support has been lackluster with some good games, but most core 3rd party attempts have been terrible.

5. The online interface was barely passable. That was inexcusable.

6. I could live with the graphics being mediocre. Wish it was HD though.

1. Wii Motion+ for free? Are you kidding? That's bad business. And if Nintendo could've put Wii Motion+ in at launch, they would have.

2. The Virtual Console is still releasing, and for the first of it's kind, is doing a fairly impressive job. Sure, there's a few games I'd still like to see, but so far it's been solid.

sonic_spark

Yes Wiimotion Plus for free, the money you lose there you make up for by having all Wii users having the same hardware. As I've pointed out it's not like Nintendo has been hurting earlier this gen and when Wiimotion came around for Nintendo to get it to Wii owners (at Nintendo's cost, not retail price) would have been much better in the long run. As it stands today the userbase is forever fragmented and the devs are just as divided.

So no, it was bad business not to include it

The Virtual Console was not the first of it's kind and no it's not supported like it used to be. Nintendo themselves said that they're not concentrating as much on the Virtual Console. It's not like they're short on titles and besides the N64 games that need to be redone before they're released on the Virtual Console all the NES, SNES games can be released (licensing permitting)

I think it's Nintendo's best system since the SNES. I'm not sure I'd give it any kind of number rating, but I am fairly happy. I also agree with whoever said it was the NES of the 21st Century. It has had great influence on how the game industry will work from now on and Wii Sports will be remembered for a long time, as a game almost everyone has played, just like Super Mario Bros. Nintendo did some things wrong as they do every generation because they are so stubborn but they still created a really fun console.

I would give it an 8/10. The Wii had some great games like MP3 and SMG2, all of which provided me with a memorable experience.

[QUOTE="sonic_spark"]

1. Wii Motion+ for free? Are you kidding? That's bad business. And if Nintendo could've put Wii Motion+ in at launch, they would have.

2. The Virtual Console is still releasing, and for the first of it's kind, is doing a fairly impressive job. Sure, there's a few games I'd still like to see, but so far it's been solid.

Jaysonguy

Yes Wiimotion Plus for free, the money you lose there you make up for by having all Wii users having the same hardware. As I've pointed out it's not like Nintendo has been hurting earlier this gen and when Wiimotion came around for Nintendo to get it to Wii owners (at Nintendo's cost, not retail price) would have been much better in the long run. As it stands today the userbase is forever fragmented and the devs are just as divided.

So no, it was bad business not to include it

The Virtual Console was not the first of it's kind and no it's not supported like it used to be. Nintendo themselves said that they're not concentrating as much on the Virtual Console. It's not like they're short on titles and besides the N64 games that need to be redone before they're released on the Virtual Console all the NES, SNES games can be released (licensing permitting)

How do you plan on issuing Wii motion+ to 70 million people (and that's consoles only, not even close to the number of Wiimotes that are probably out there)? It's financially not possible. Even if it cost Nintendo 1 dollar, it would be 70$ million cash out of their pocket (in the best case scenario favoring your position). How stupid does that sound? There is no way any financial advisor of any sort would do that, with no legitimate reason. Nintendo is a business not a charity. And I would estimate that a minimum of 2 wiimotes per console pushes that very forgiving estimate to 140$ million spent. What are you thinking?

So what if the audience is fragmented? If users want certain titles, then make the investment. That's been the universal truth of all consoles ever made. The philosophy doesn't change here. There is no possible way to justify your position. Your position is insane.

The Virtual Console is the first of it's kind to be that expansive. Sure they're limiting their support, but they likely can only focus in on so many directions, and we're still getting releases. And every major first party game that comes out is preceded by a major virtual console release. It works. I'd rather see newer games than VC.

It seemed like every good game i played on the system was a exception rather than the rule. Some years were slim pickings for good games. Add-ons like the M+ were completely wasted. Nintendo played it safe the entire time with Mario games and worn out franchises. Yes, they sold a lot of systems to people who dont play games, they sold a lot of balance boards and fitness games, which means nothing to anyone except Nintendo. I really did enjoy a solid handful of quality games. I made a nice collection of unique titles that i am proud to own. But it took YEARS to build that collection, and my enjoyment has been somewhat tempered by all the major disappointments with the system. If Wii finished up next year, I highly doubt i will be on board for the next Nintendo system unless it can prove that it is serious about real gamers next time around. I rate Wii a solid 7.

I'm not particularly good at scoring systems, but I'd probably put the Wii at 4 stars out of 5, or something like that. It has some definite faults, like lackluster online service and dodgy 3rd-party support at best (though that's not really the system's fault), but overall the amount of unique games available make it a great system and a solid demonstration of Nintendo going back to doing what made them the king of the gaming industry in the 80's/early 90's.

I have reasonably high hopes for the next system.

The Wii has some glaring problems. Lack of 3rd party support, graphics, imprecise motion control, a "hardcore" gamer would have a hard time finding something they like, and worst of all (IMO) is the god awful online. There is probably nothing right about it.

Although, it excels in giving some great experiences, a new way to play, original games, probably some of the best party/local multiplayer games ever, it has the virtual console and Wii Ware (which are both excellent), and of course it has all the great nintendo games. I'd give the wii a Solid 7 or 8.

[QUOTE="Jaysonguy"]

[QUOTE="sonic_spark"]

1. Wii Motion+ for free? Are you kidding? That's bad business. And if Nintendo could've put Wii Motion+ in at launch, they would have.

2. The Virtual Console is still releasing, and for the first of it's kind, is doing a fairly impressive job. Sure, there's a few games I'd still like to see, but so far it's been solid.

sonic_spark

Yes Wiimotion Plus for free, the money you lose there you make up for by having all Wii users having the same hardware. As I've pointed out it's not like Nintendo has been hurting earlier this gen and when Wiimotion came around for Nintendo to get it to Wii owners (at Nintendo's cost, not retail price) would have been much better in the long run. As it stands today the userbase is forever fragmented and the devs are just as divided.

So no, it was bad business not to include it

The Virtual Console was not the first of it's kind and no it's not supported like it used to be. Nintendo themselves said that they're not concentrating as much on the Virtual Console. It's not like they're short on titles and besides the N64 games that need to be redone before they're released on the Virtual Console all the NES, SNES games can be released (licensing permitting)

How do you plan on issuing Wii motion+ to 70 million people (and that's consoles only, not even close to the number of Wiimotes that are probably out there)? It's financially not possible. Even if it cost Nintendo 1 dollar, it would be 70$ million cash out of their pocket (in the best case scenario favoring your position). How stupid does that sound? There is no way any financial advisor of any sort would do that, with no legitimate reason. Nintendo is a business not a charity. And I would estimate that a minimum of 2 wiimotes per console pushes that very forgiving estimate to 140$ million spent. What are you thinking?

So what if the audience is fragmented? If users want certain titles, then make the investment. That's been the universal truth of all consoles ever made. The philosophy doesn't change here. There is no possible way to justify your position. Your position is insane.

The Virtual Console is the first of it's kind to be that expansive. Sure they're limiting their support, but they likely can only focus in on so many directions, and we're still getting releases. And every major first party game that comes out is preceded by a major virtual console release. It works. I'd rather see newer games than VC.

Wrong

Sega fractured their userbase and how did that turn out? Oh yeah they don't make consoles anymore

The numbers you're also giving are wrong too, it's not 70 million, when Wiimotion came out there weren't 70 million Wii consoles out there and considering that it's now packed into each Wii and not priced at a higher rate it's obvious that it doesn't cost them much to make.

What you're saying is bad business and the reason that Nintendo is losing ground so quickly these days.

The Virtual Console isn't the first of it's kind to be that large and as far as limiting focus you understand that only N64 games need any kind of "work" when it comes to releasing them on the Virtual Console right? Also you're under the mistaken impression that the people who are in charge of porting over the Virtual Console titles are also the same people who make the games.

I'll give it a 9.5 out of 10. I still logged more hours on my GameCube than the Wii, but still a great console to play on.....And I thaught afterthe cube/ps2/xbox1generation I wouldn't be gaming as much but the wii totally changed that.

It was good enough to be worth the money, but it's definitely Nintendo's worst console, Virtual Boy aside.

[QUOTE="sonic_spark"]

[QUOTE="Jaysonguy"]

Yes Wiimotion Plus for free, the money you lose there you make up for by having all Wii users having the same hardware. As I've pointed out it's not like Nintendo has been hurting earlier this gen and when Wiimotion came around for Nintendo to get it to Wii owners (at Nintendo's cost, not retail price) would have been much better in the long run. As it stands today the userbase is forever fragmented and the devs are just as divided.

So no, it was bad business not to include it

The Virtual Console was not the first of it's kind and no it's not supported like it used to be. Nintendo themselves said that they're not concentrating as much on the Virtual Console. It's not like they're short on titles and besides the N64 games that need to be redone before they're released on the Virtual Console all the NES, SNES games can be released (licensing permitting)

Jaysonguy

How do you plan on issuing Wii motion+ to 70 million people (and that's consoles only, not even close to the number of Wiimotes that are probably out there)? It's financially not possible. Even if it cost Nintendo 1 dollar, it would be 70$ million cash out of their pocket (in the best case scenario favoring your position). How stupid does that sound? There is no way any financial advisor of any sort would do that, with no legitimate reason. Nintendo is a business not a charity. And I would estimate that a minimum of 2 wiimotes per console pushes that very forgiving estimate to 140$ million spent. What are you thinking?

So what if the audience is fragmented? If users want certain titles, then make the investment. That's been the universal truth of all consoles ever made. The philosophy doesn't change here. There is no possible way to justify your position. Your position is insane.

The Virtual Console is the first of it's kind to be that expansive. Sure they're limiting their support, but they likely can only focus in on so many directions, and we're still getting releases. And every major first party game that comes out is preceded by a major virtual console release. It works. I'd rather see newer games than VC.

Wrong

Sega fractured their userbase and how did that turn out? Oh yeah they don't make consoles anymore

The numbers you're also giving are wrong too, it's not 70 million, when Wiimotion came out there weren't 70 million Wii consoles out there and considering that it's now packed into each Wii and not priced at a higher rate it's obvious that it doesn't cost them much to make.

What you're saying is bad business and the reason that Nintendo is losing ground so quickly these days.

The Virtual Console isn't the first of it's kind to be that large and as far as limiting focus you understand that only N64 games need any kind of "work" when it comes to releasing them on the Virtual Console right? Also you're under the mistaken impression that the people who are in charge of porting over the Virtual Console titles are also the same people who make the games.

1. I'm not going to get into it with you on why Sega died.

2. Hypothetically, if the Wii originally came with Motion Plus, the question is, would the pricing of the console had been that much more expensive? If Nintendo knew of this technology they must have had a sound business reason for not doing so, maybe cost was too expensive, or maybe the tech wasn't ready yet? Obviously, had they been able to do it at launch, don't you think they would've?

3. My numbers are to reflect the current outlook. In the event that at this very second Nintendo gave out free motion plus(es) to each Wii owner the amount of money would be ludicrous.

4. I'm not assuming anything. Nintendo has stated they're not focusing on the Virtual Console. So I'm saying in general, they're allocating resources to other places.

5. Regardless, no one in their right mind would give out multi-millions of dollars worth of free stuff to their consumers. Nintendo is a publicly traded company, what a disaster that would be for shareholders and potential lawsuits against the company for giving away free money.

6. Your argument is obviously null and void. Bottom line, Nintendo is not a charity. At this point in time it makes no financial sense to do what you're proposing. At launch would be a completely different argument. But from my understanding I'm sure Motion+ wasn't ready yet or it cost too much. I'm definitely not in the wrong here. You're recommending that Nintendo give away millions of dollars. When they can just sell the product and make millions.

7. And you want to force everyone to use motion+, get the developers to only make Motion+ games.

It was good enough to be worth the money, but it's definitely Nintendo's worst console, Virtual Boy aside.

nintendofreak_2

Looks at sig, looks at nintendofreak's post, *facepalm*

So far I have not played a majority of the games for wii but I can say I'm not that impressed. I rate systems on the games I enjoyed that generation so I will give it 6/10 so far.

1 for twilight princess

1 - for mario galaxy 1 & 2 (they did not utilize the motions controls at all, in normal circumstances they would have scored higher)

.5 for red steel (.5 taken off for the controls)

.5 for excite truck (^ controls)

2 - for wii sports

1 - for gamecube compatibility.

Other then that i have not played any other games at the moment so I will rate it like this even tho it does not make sense.

pikmin 3 better be good!

Also this made me realize on the gamecube games that I missed last gen. The GAMECUBE LIVES ON!!!!