I'm confused on why it's so hard to make an FPS on the Wii with good controls...

Look at the N64 controller.  It also only had one analog stick, and playing Goldeneye64 with it was awesome.  The Wiimote + Nunchuck also only have one analog stick so why can't we just do an FPS with those type of controls.  I would be even better considering you could just point and shoot at an enemy.

Maybe for turning, it would be like Zelda on N64: you press Z to look straight ahead.  Your ideas.

They do have good controls for the most part, they just need time to get used to. COD3 handles great, but the grenade action and some context sensitive motions need work to connect more reliably. Farcry works fine but again one or two motion controls need to be changed, specifically zooming and melee.

The problem is the game's themselves aren't that good. 

Well, I actually prefer CoD3's Wii controls to dual-analog, so I don't think a major improvement is needed. But I'd say the problem is this: the crosshairs should be centered on the screen at all times, however, with the wiimote this means your screen will never be still because you cannot keep your arm perfectly still. This is not a problem with analog sticks or a PC mouse. It's a problem unique to the Wii, so developers have instead opted to release the crosshiars from the center of the screen and use a "bounding box," which is a new idea that has so far been executed with mixed results.

And more overreaching than that is the problem that in FPS games on any platform we are controlling three movements with only two methods of input. In real life you would control movement (1), head turning (2), and gun aiming (3). In videogames, we must tie aiming and head turning into one input. This is an inherent problem that likely will never change, unless a new input method that actually tracks our head movement is used in a future console. But the practicality of that is... questionable.

But, like I said, I don't think they are so bad. CoD3 controlled well IMO.

Well, I actually prefer CoD3's Wii controls to dual-analog, so I don't think a major improvement is needed. But I'd say the problem is this: the crosshairs should be centered on the screen at all times, however, with the wiimote this means your screen will never be still because you cannot keep your arm perfectly still. This is not a problem with analog sticks or a PC mouse. It's a problem unique to the Wii, so developers have instead opted to release the crosshiars from the center of the screen and use a "bounding box," which is a new idea that has so far been executed with mixed results.

And more overreaching than that is the problem that in FPS games on any platform we are controlling three movements with only two methods of input. In real life you would control movement (1), head turning (2), and gun aiming (3). In videogames, we must tie aiming and head turning into one input. This is an inherent problem that likely will never change, unless a new input method that actually tracks our head movement is used in a future console. But the practicality of that is... questionable.

But, like I said, I don't think they are so bad. CoD3 controlled well IMO.

RyanWare

After practice COD3 works fine, its just a little too sensitive to small movements in the turning part. But as far as head tracking goes something like this could be released, but it would look stupid among other things (motion tracking attached to a cap):

Metroid Prime 3 is good, it was accurate and everything. Great controls.bluezy

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[QUOTE="bluezy"]Metroid Prime 3 is good, it was accurate and everything. Great controls.helium_flash

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[QUOTE="bluezy"]Metroid Prime 3 is good, it was accurate and everything. Great controls.prozack28

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Come to think of it... FPS would be the best genre for the Wii. Because now when you wanna shoot somebody for point using the remote ( sounds corny but ture 0_o )

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[QUOTE="bluezy"]Metroid Prime 3 is good, it was accurate and everything. Great controls.callmewaffle

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People who weren't at E3.

you try making an fps for the wii...

lol.. jk

I do agree with you that Nintendo needs some kick a fps games, however, looks like that wont happen until MP3

well then that would just take away the reason they even made the pointer in the first place.

and the wii just came out with a whole brand new way of playing games this has nothing to do with the N64 their very first FPS is obviously not going to be the best one out there not every FPS is going to have the same controls that would be boring

what i'm trying to say is why put in old style controls when they made an entirely new way of playing FPS games?

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[QUOTE="bluezy"]Metroid Prime 3 is good, it was accurate and everything. Great controls.Spartan874

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People who weren't at E3.

not everybody was at E3 even tho it may have looked like it.

um yeah the contols on the FPS wii games have been pretty good. people that complain that red steel had bad controls just have poor motor skills. the controls were fine. the rest of it eh....theICE_MAN

Really the only thing I don't like about current FPS games on the Wii si moving the cursor to the edge of the screen.  RE4 Wii edition doesn't do this.  You move the screen left or right with the analog stick so that you can concentrate on nailing your head or knee shots (I like suplexes  :D )  I think more games need to adopt something similar to this.  Maybe you could hold a button like "C" and that will lock the reticule so that you can move the screen.  That would be nice.  Still can't wait for MP3.  I'd also like to see more about Disaster, because from the 1/2 of a second of gameplay footage we've seen it looks to be a 3rd person pop-and-shooter like Gears or the upcoming Dark Sector.  If this game implemented a turning feature like one of the two I mentioned, it could be a very awesome game.christhepenguin

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They already have one. Elebits.

i have only read the first post so sry if i repeat myself in anyway.

 But!

its all a marketing scheme, take a look at the ps2, look at the games that were released the first year it was out and the last years games, there is a big difference in its graphic, did the ps2 get better engines in that 4-5 years difference? not that i know of, all what happened is that the companies, sony, included were holding back on graphic acceleration program or software or code or whatever you want to call it to make more money. now this brings me to the point of the wii. what i am trying to say is that the wii is a new system with new controls than most other system. prehaps some of the code has not been "found" yet, as in its capabilities are none but not yet maxed out or they are and they are holding back. what ever the situation might be you will see better graphical games coming your way as well as better controls, cuz the wii is here for around 5 years or so; and if this is the highest level of software we going to see we will all stop playing soon. 

 what i am trying to say here in a very long paragraph is, wait!, the games are coming, with better controls and better graphics and i am 99.9% sure in the next year like with the xbox306 and gears of war, an fps will come out for the wii that will blow our freaking heads off and will be super awesome. after all you gotta remember the wii is only like 5 months old, xbox360 didn't start having normal games out till about a few months ago. so give it time and it will come.

 peace

I think it is because they are trying to make it like a mouse, but are failing at it. They should make it so you do not start to turn until the aimer goes completely off screen. Then at that moment it moves faster. And when the aimer is on screen it should move slower.

Another option is make it so you have to hold down a button to move the camera and when the button is not held down you are aiming at the screen and shooting. This way the aiming would be perfect because it would never interfere with you trying to turn around moving the camera up or down or left or right.

I would prefer the top idea though. Just make it so the camera does not even begin to move until the aimer is complete off screen. So you would have to aimt he wii mote way on top to look up. Not like it would take any longer to move your hand a few more inches to get the camera to pan.

Look at the N64 controller. It also only had one analog stick, and playing Goldeneye64 with it was awesome. The Wiimote + Nunchuck also only have one analog stick so why can't we just do an FPS with those type of controls. I would be even better considering you could just point and shoot at an enemy.

Maybe for turning, it would be like Zelda on N64: you press Z to look straight ahead. Your ideas.

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I don't think it's the issue of the controls, I just think the companies that make the games suck. :p

But! At least we have Corruption to look foward to! 

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[QUOTE="bluezy"]Metroid Prime 3 is good, it was accurate and everything. Great controls.Wanngan_Runner-

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People who weren't at E3.