I'm noticing something...

When most people think of the Wii they probably think kiddy multi-player games. But when you look at all the top games on the system. *based off gamerankings* that's just not true. Most of the top games are single-player and not quite kiddy.

Super Mario Galaxy - casual/hardore - co-op is dull, this is singleplayer

Super Smash Bros. Brawl - casual/hardcore - multiplayer

The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess - hardcore - singleplayer

Resident Evil 4: Wii Edition - hardcore - singleplayer

Metroid Prime 3: Corruption - hardcore - singleplayer

Okami - hardcore - singleplayer

Guitar Hero III: Legends of Rock - casual/hardcore - singleplayer

Zack & Wiki: Quest for Barbaros' Treasure - casual/hardcore - singleplayer

Super Paper Mario - casual/hardcore - singleplayer

Bully: Scholarship Edition - hardcore - singleplayer

No More Heroes - hardcore - singleplayer

Mario Kart Wii - casual/hardcore - multiplayer

Wii needs more *GOOD* multiplayer games.

Wii needs more *GOOD* multiplayer games.

Stevendawg

If you look at the top sales of Wii games, a lot of the top sellers are multiplayer games. One of which being Guitar Hero 3, by the way, which you've listed as singleplayer.

The fact that these games aren't the highest rated games on the system doesn't make them bad.

The fact that these games aren't the highest rated games on the system doesn't make them bad.

GabuEx

Yep. For example, a lot of people love Mario Party, and to them it's not a "bad" game.

I think the reason why most of the highest-rated games are single-player is because single-player games tend to be more deep, and put a lot of emphasis on story and artistic direction.

My advice? Don't judge your purchases on the review scores they get. Instead, read the reviews, and if they say "this is a great multiplayer experience", pick it up.

[QUOTE="Stevendawg"]

Wii needs more *GOOD* multiplayer games.

GabuEx

If you look at the top sales of Wii games, a lot of the top sellers are multiplayer games. One of which being Guitar Hero 3, by the way, which you've listed as singleplayer.

The fact that these games aren't the highest rated games on the system doesn't make them bad.

Sorry, yea. I just did that fast. That's true, there's pleny of decent multplayer games but the only 3 that really shine are Mario Kart, SSBB, and GH3. When you compare that to the awsome singleplayer games it seems really off-balanced for a system that's supposidely more multiplayer/family/fun oriented. Stevendawg

It was never intended to be multiplayer oriented, really. That's just a line made up by its detractors.

I still say, though, that most of its top selling games are top sellers for a reason. Like bob_newman said, they're not deep and involved, which is what you'd need to get a score in the nines, but they're good clean local multiplayer fun. Don't knock 'em 'till you've tried them.

(And if you have tried them, well, I don't have much to say about that. :P)

Why do people never lookinto games? First of all SMG is not casual its a very hardcore game. Second of all GHIII is multiplayer and has probabaly the best mutliplayer because you actually know when you are messing up. Third of all there are more games out there than what you listed.

Why do people never lookinto games? First of all SMG is not casual its a very hardcore game. Second of all GHIII is multiplayer and has probabaly the best mutliplayer because you actually know when you are messing up. Third of all there are more games out there than what you listed.

Cyber-

His point was that "casual gamers" can pick up and play Galaxy. But whatever.

[QUOTE="Cyber-"]

Why do people never lookinto games? First of all SMG is not casual its a very hardcore game. Second of all GHIII is multiplayer and has probabaly the best mutliplayer because you actually know when you are messing up. Third of all there are more games out there than what you listed.

bob_newman

His point was that "casual gamers" can pick up and play Galaxy. But whatever.

I can pick and play Wii Sports and get into it seriously with my friends it does not make it hardcore. SMG is a hardcore game that can be accessed by casuals, WIi SPorts is a casual game that can be accessed by hardcores.

Why do people never lookinto games? First of all SMG is not casual its a very hardcore game. Second of all GHIII is multiplayer and has probabaly the best mutliplayer because you actually know when you are messing up. Third of all there are more games out there than what you listed.

Cyber-

I already said I was wrong and it is multiplayer.

And those are the top rated games. From gamerankings, like I said? Freaking read the post.

[QUOTE="bob_newman"][QUOTE="Cyber-"]

Why do people never lookinto games? First of all SMG is not casual its a very hardcore game. Second of all GHIII is multiplayer and has probabaly the best mutliplayer because you actually know when you are messing up. Third of all there are more games out there than what you listed.

Cyber-

His point was that "casual gamers" can pick up and play Galaxy. But whatever.

I can pick and play Wii Sports and get into it seriously with my friends it does not make it hardcore. SMG is a hardcore game that can be accessed by casuals, WIi SPorts is a casual game that can be accessed by hardcores.

It doesn't matter what is "hardcore" and what isn't. You're being way too nit-picky about a minor detail.

You know what he meant.

[QUOTE="Cyber-"]

Why do people never lookinto games? First of all SMG is not casual its a very hardcore game. Second of all GHIII is multiplayer and has probabaly the best mutliplayer because you actually know when you are messing up. Third of all there are more games out there than what you listed.

Stevendawg

I already said I was wrong and it is multiplayer.

And those are the top rated games. From gamerankings, like I said? Freaking read the post.

I know and Im saying it would be weird if you said Wii Sports- casual/hardcore.

bob_newman the reason why I am saying this is 1. you wouldnt say it for a hardcore accessible casual game and 2. haters are so foolish they will automatically pass thata off as a way to put the game down. Thats why I said it and Wii hate is rampant right now.

huh? if people call the Wii kiddy its because most of the games on Wii ARE kiddy for example Wii:kiddy/party games, 360:FPS, PS3:... uh err what games? neway see what I'm getting at here? The Wii is viewed as a kiddy/party system because most games consist of such regardless of the fact that it does have some good games and therefore this thread makes no sense and FAILS.
Ire-7

Then PS2 is a kiddy/party system because most games were in fact that. How reasonable people would see it is for both PS2 and Wii the significant games are completely NOT kiddy party games.

[QUOTE="Stevendawg"]Sorry, yea. I just did that fast. That's true, there's pleny of decent multplayer games but the only 3 that really shine are Mario Kart, SSBB, and GH3. When you compare that to the awsome singleplayer games it seems really off-balanced for a system that's supposidely more multiplayer/family/fun oriented. GabuEx

It was never intended to be multiplayer oriented, really. That's just a line made up by its detractors.

I still say, though, that most of its top selling games are top sellers for a reason. Like bob_newman said, they're not deep and involved, which is what you'd need to get a score in the nines, but they're good clean local multiplayer fun. Don't knock 'em 'till you've tried them.

(And if you have tried them, well, I don't have much to say about that. :P)

ummm yea it was.

wii was more focused on being multiplayer oriented for a party game system (thats why we see so many party games now) nintendo saw how well party games were doing on the gamecube and focused the wii to be multiplayer friendly. if the wii wasnt meant to be multiplayer oriented only 2 controllers would be supported at most.

i think you mean wii was never meant for online. yes the system is compatable with online (wifi out of the box, and wired through an accessory that must be bought) but the way nintendo implemented it shows nintendos lack of interest of online gaming.

i agree with the TC the wii needs more good multiplayer games, like mario kart and Smash brothers.

When most people think of the Wii they probably think kiddy multi-player games. But when you look at all the top games on the system. *based off gamerankings* that's just not true. Most of the top games are single-player and not quite kiddy.

Super Mario Galaxy - casual/hardore - co-op is dull, this is singleplayer

Super Smash Bros. Brawl - casual/hardcore - multiplayer

The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess - hardcore - singleplayer

Resident Evil 4: Wii Edition - hardcore - singleplayer

Metroid Prime 3: Corruption - hardcore - singleplayer

Okami - hardcore - singleplayer

Guitar Hero III: Legends of Rock - casual/hardcore - singleplayer

Zack & Wiki: Quest for Barbaros' Treasure - casual/hardcore - singleplayer

Super Paper Mario - casual/hardcore - singleplayer

Bully: Scholarship Edition - hardcore - singleplayer

No More Heroes - hardcore - singleplayer

Mario Kart Wii - casual/hardcore - multiplayer

Stevendawg

I wouldn't call any of those games hardcore. A hardcore game is one that takes constant attention if you want to be able to beat it or stay on level with peer competitors. -Like online FPS games. All those are aimed at a casual audience

[QUOTE="Stevendawg"]

When most people think of the Wii they probably think kiddy multi-player games. But when you look at all the top games on the system. *based off gamerankings* that's just not true. Most of the top games are single-player and not quite kiddy.

Super Mario Galaxy - casual/hardore - co-op is dull, this is singleplayer

Super Smash Bros. Brawl - casual/hardcore - multiplayer

The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess - hardcore - singleplayer

Resident Evil 4: Wii Edition - hardcore - singleplayer

Metroid Prime 3: Corruption - hardcore - singleplayer

Okami - hardcore - singleplayer

Guitar Hero III: Legends of Rock - casual/hardcore - singleplayer

Zack & Wiki: Quest for Barbaros' Treasure - casual/hardcore - singleplayer

Super Paper Mario - casual/hardcore - singleplayer

Bully: Scholarship Edition - hardcore - singleplayer

No More Heroes - hardcore - singleplayer

Mario Kart Wii - casual/hardcore - multiplayer

Sheegot

I wouldn't call any of those games hardcore. A hardcore game is one that takes constant attention if you want to be able to beat it or stay on level with peer competitors. -Like online FPS games. All those are aimed at a casual audience

i agree all of those games listed are more casual

dont worry though, nintendo wants it that way, it wants all of its games to be casual friendly.

[QUOTE="GabuEx"]

[QUOTE="Stevendawg"]Sorry, yea. I just did that fast. That's true, there's pleny of decent multplayer games but the only 3 that really shine are Mario Kart, SSBB, and GH3. When you compare that to the awsome singleplayer games it seems really off-balanced for a system that's supposidely more multiplayer/family/fun oriented. gearsofhalogeek

It was never intended to be multiplayer oriented, really. That's just a line made up by its detractors.

I still say, though, that most of its top selling games are top sellers for a reason. Like bob_newman said, they're not deep and involved, which is what you'd need to get a score in the nines, but they're good clean local multiplayer fun. Don't knock 'em 'till you've tried them.

(And if you have tried them, well, I don't have much to say about that. :P)

ummm yea it was.

wii was more focused on being multiplayer oriented for a party game system (thats why we see so many party games now) nintendo saw how well party games were doing on the gamecube and focused the wii to be multiplayer friendly. if the wii wasnt meant to be multiplayer oriented only 2 controllers would be supported at most.

i think you mean wii was never meant for online. yes the system is compatable with online (wifi out of the box, and wired through an accessory that must be bought) but the way nintendo implemented it shows nintendos lack of interest of online gaming.

i agree with the TC the wii needs more good multiplayer games, like mario kart and Smash brothers.

Most of the top sellers are deep games.

The system is focused on whatever games come out not what people say on these little forums to detract it like you saying its a party game system or not a multiplayer system. has anyone gotten that Wii covers alot of bases whether you guys like it or not?

Most of its top sellers are GHIII, RE4, SMG, LoZ:TP i rest my case when listing games like that. The wii has genre gaps but MK WIi and SSBB pretty much fill the competitive multiplayer aspect. Its hard to complain when you have those two big games in your face, if you dont like those then you could just easily say games on other systems dont fill a need.

[QUOTE="gearsofhalogeek"][QUOTE="GabuEx"]

[QUOTE="Stevendawg"]Sorry, yea. I just did that fast. That's true, there's pleny of decent multplayer games but the only 3 that really shine are Mario Kart, SSBB, and GH3. When you compare that to the awsome singleplayer games it seems really off-balanced for a system that's supposidely more multiplayer/family/fun oriented. Cyber-

It was never intended to be multiplayer oriented, really. That's just a line made up by its detractors.

I still say, though, that most of its top selling games are top sellers for a reason. Like bob_newman said, they're not deep and involved, which is what you'd need to get a score in the nines, but they're good clean local multiplayer fun. Don't knock 'em 'till you've tried them.

(And if you have tried them, well, I don't have much to say about that. :P)

ummm yea it was.

wii was more focused on being multiplayer oriented for a party game system (thats why we see so many party games now) nintendo saw how well party games were doing on the gamecube and focused the wii to be multiplayer friendly. if the wii wasnt meant to be multiplayer oriented only 2 controllers would be supported at most.

i think you mean wii was never meant for online. yes the system is compatable with online (wifi out of the box, and wired through an accessory that must be bought) but the way nintendo implemented it shows nintendos lack of interest of online gaming.

i agree with the TC the wii needs more good multiplayer games, like mario kart and Smash brothers.

Most of the top sellers are deep games.

The system is focused on whatever games come out not what people say on these little forums to detract it like you saying its a party game system or not a multiplayer system. has anyone gotten that Wii covers alot of bases whether you guys like it or not?

Most of its top sellers are GHIII, RE4, SMG, LoZ:TP i rest my case when listing games like that. The wii has genre gaps but MK WIi and SSBB pretty much fill the competitive multiplayer aspect. Its hard to complain when you have those two big games in your face, if you dont like those then you could just easily say games on other systems dont fill a need.

mario kart, mario party, wii fit, wii play, carnival games, rayman raving rabbids, rayman raving rabbids 2, and many many more thats out now, and many many more to come say hi.

also if the system wasnt meant to be a multiplayer local party game system, why make it compatible with 4 controllers? yes the 360 and ps3 also is compatible with 4, but the wii actually utilizes this more in its games.

i wasnt trying to detract from the wii, i was stating a fact. im sorry if it embarrasses you that your precious wii is focused more on party games than hardcore single player action.

i on the other hand enjoymy wiis party games when they are good.

That's my problem I have with the Wii. Honestly, I have trouble playing the Wii alone, my Wii is my multiplayer machine, it goes untouched unless my friends are over. When I'm alone I use my 360. For my Wii I have Super Mario Strikers Charged, I should have Mario Party 8, I got Brawl, Mario Kart and Twilight Princess because I got it with my Wii. I'll tell the truth, I've had Super Mario Galaxy and Metriod Prime 3 but I couldn't play through them....solo wii games = not for me.

EDIT: I would hardly call Mario Kart Wii competitive, for any who have played it, you will know that only lap 3 matters because the items are SO FRIGGEN UNBALANCED. It's not even funny anymore...seriously, this game pisses me off.

i also find it pretty funny how loosly people have been throwing "hardcore" around lately.

hardcores more along the lines of oblivion, and most pc games, any game that has multiplayer that you can play more than 40 hours.

not a platformer that can be beaten in a couple of hours, or to find every item in the game takes around 30.

real hardcore games are on every system but the wii. nintendo wants the wii to stay casual friendly. thats what they are going for. sorry to burst your bubbles.

[QUOTE="Cyber-"][QUOTE="gearsofhalogeek"][QUOTE="GabuEx"]

[QUOTE="Stevendawg"]Sorry, yea. I just did that fast. That's true, there's pleny of decent multplayer games but the only 3 that really shine are Mario Kart, SSBB, and GH3. When you compare that to the awsome singleplayer games it seems really off-balanced for a system that's supposidely more multiplayer/family/fun oriented. gearsofhalogeek

It was never intended to be multiplayer oriented, really. That's just a line made up by its detractors.

I still say, though, that most of its top selling games are top sellers for a reason. Like bob_newman said, they're not deep and involved, which is what you'd need to get a score in the nines, but they're good clean local multiplayer fun. Don't knock 'em 'till you've tried them.

(And if you have tried them, well, I don't have much to say about that. :P)

ummm yea it was.

wii was more focused on being multiplayer oriented for a party game system (thats why we see so many party games now) nintendo saw how well party games were doing on the gamecube and focused the wii to be multiplayer friendly. if the wii wasnt meant to be multiplayer oriented only 2 controllers would be supported at most.

i think you mean wii was never meant for online. yes the system is compatable with online (wifi out of the box, and wired through an accessory that must be bought) but the way nintendo implemented it shows nintendos lack of interest of online gaming.

i agree with the TC the wii needs more good multiplayer games, like mario kart and Smash brothers.

Most of the top sellers are deep games.

The system is focused on whatever games come out not what people say on these little forums to detract it like you saying its a party game system or not a multiplayer system. has anyone gotten that Wii covers alot of bases whether you guys like it or not?

Most of its top sellers are GHIII, RE4, SMG, LoZ:TP i rest my case when listing games like that. The wii has genre gaps but MK WIi and SSBB pretty much fill the competitive multiplayer aspect. Its hard to complain when you have those two big games in your face, if you dont like those then you could just easily say games on other systems dont fill a need.

mario kart, mario party, wii fit, wii play, carnival games, rayman raving rabbids, rayman raving rabbids 2, and many many more thats out now, and many many more to come say hi.

also if the system wasnt meant to be a multiplayer local party game system, why make it compatible with 4 controllers? yes the 360 and ps3 also is compatible with 4, but the wii actually utilizes this more in its games.

i wasnt trying to detract from the wii, i was stating a fact. im sorry if it embarrasses you that your precious wii is focused more on party games than hardcore single player action.

i on the other hand enjoymy wiis party games when they are good.

SMG, LoZ:TP, RE4, RE UC, MP3, Sonic and the Secret Rings, Trauma Center: New Blood, Trauma Center: Second Opinion, Fire Emblem, Wario Ware, Zack and Wiki, NMH, MoH; H2, Super Paper Mario, Okami, Bully, The Godfather: Blackhand, Scareface, BWii, and loads of VC and upcoming wiiware titles.

Also competitvie multiplayer or just somewhere else other than party games which is different from party games SSBB, MKWii, PES Soccer, also MoH: H2, Mario Strikers Charged, MLB Power Pros, GHIII, Sims 2, and many upcoming titles.

The Wii has alot more than than what you said most of its notable titles are not party games or are just misplaced as a party game. theres nothing wrong with party games but many people here see it as bad. It just so happens its not the case and as I said not saying the games does not change reality.

i also find it pretty funny how loosly people have been throwing "hardcore" around lately.

hardcores more along the lines of oblivion, and most pc games, any game that has multiplayer that you can play more than 40 hours.

not a platformer that can be beaten in a couple of hours, or to find every item in the game takes around 30.

real hardcore games are on every system but the wii. nintendo wants the wii to stay casual friendly. thats what they are going for. sorry to burst your bubbles.

gearsofhalogeek

OMG stop trolling. Did it ever occur LoZ:TP is like 70 hours long. ANd if you are referring to SMG as that platformer not being hardcore than you are just a hater. That game is amazing and its just as long as it should be. Real hardcore games are not measured by its time but how it makes that time. SMG revolutionized platforming just because you cant see it does not mean it did not happen.

I believe that you can't label games as "casual" or "hardcore". AnyONE can pick up ANY game and play.

Heck, some could call ME hardcore, but there are a lot of "casual" games that I play.

[QUOTE="gearsofhalogeek"]

i also find it pretty funny how loosly people have been throwing "hardcore" around lately.

hardcores more along the lines of oblivion, and most pc games, any game that has multiplayer that you can play more than 40 hours.

not a platformer that can be beaten in a couple of hours, or to find every item in the game takes around 30.

real hardcore games are on every system but the wii. nintendo wants the wii to stay casual friendly. thats what they are going for. sorry to burst your bubbles.

Hyrule-master

OMG stop trolling. Did it ever occur LoZ:TP is like 70 hours long. ANd if you are referring to SMG as that platformer not being hardcore than you are just a hater. That game is amazing and its just as long as it should be. Real hardcore games are not measured by its time but how it makes that time. SMG revolutionized platforming just because you cant see it does not mean it did not happen.

LoZ:TP only took me around 30 hours to complete

and SMG took me the same amount of time to get every star

neither are hardcore. sorry.

on the other hand oblivion took me 300 hours to do everything

wow on pc normally gets 1000s of hours from gamers

multiplayer games online on 360 halo and geow usually gets 100s of hours of play from each player if not more.

if it took you more than 40 hours to beat zelda and get everything i would say either your lying, you read slow, or you left the game on pause alot. either way zelda is definately not a hardcore game.

if it took you more than 30 hours to beat mario and do everything, i would have to say you are pretty young.

not trolling just stating the obvious that nintendo is not trying to be hardcore they are trying to be casual. i thought you fanboys knew this?

[QUOTE="Hyrule-master"][QUOTE="gearsofhalogeek"]

i also find it pretty funny how loosly people have been throwing "hardcore" around lately.

hardcores more along the lines of oblivion, and most pc games, any game that has multiplayer that you can play more than 40 hours.

not a platformer that can be beaten in a couple of hours, or to find every item in the game takes around 30.

real hardcore games are on every system but the wii. nintendo wants the wii to stay casual friendly. thats what they are going for. sorry to burst your bubbles.

gearsofhalogeek

OMG stop trolling. Did it ever occur LoZ:TP is like 70 hours long. ANd if you are referring to SMG as that platformer not being hardcore than you are just a hater. That game is amazing and its just as long as it should be. Real hardcore games are not measured by its time but how it makes that time. SMG revolutionized platforming just because you cant see it does not mean it did not happen.

LoZ:TP only took me around 30 hours to complete

and SMG took me the same amount of time to get every star

neither are hardcore. sorry.

on the other hand oblivion took me 300 hours to do everything

wow on pc normally gets 1000s of hours from gamers

multiplayer games online on 360 halo and geow usually gets 100s of hours of play from each player if not more.

if it took you more than 40 hours to beat zelda and get everything i would say either your lying, you read slow, or you left the game on pause alot. either way zelda is definately not a hardcore game.

if it took you more than 30 hours to beat mario and do everything, i would have to say you are pretty young.

not trolling just stating the obvious that nintendo is not trying to be hardcore they are trying to be casual. i thought you fanboys knew this?

Time spent=/=hardcore

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twilight_princess

"it took the Twilight Princess game-testers an average of 70 hours to beat the game on the first run-through"

LoZ:TP took seventy hours if you did not skip everything and played the game how it was supposed to be played.

Again if portal was longer than it was it would have been annoying. its not how long its what you got from it. Quality over quantity. IF Oblivion was not as long as it was that would be bad for the genre its in, as for Zelda its an action adventure game not commonly that long. Not many games like TP and Okami are that long for its genre its in, making them gems.

Multplayer games can vary. Look how long people have clocked in for SSBB. In order to get some trophies you need to clock in some serious horus and people got those in the first 2 days. MK Wii will be the same. Your biased and a troll aand you probabaly wont take what i say for anything because to you Wii is just a five minute party casual lets all give each other a hug spree. Thats fine with me just next time back it up with some proof.

either way zelda is definately not a hardcore game.gearsofhalogeek

Lol, what?

I think you can stop trolling now.

SMG, LoZ:TP, RE4, RE UC, MP3, Sonic and the Secret Rings, Trauma Center: New Blood, Trauma Center: Second Opinion, Fire Emblem, Wario Ware, Zack and Wiki, NMH, MoH; H2, Super Paper Mario, Okami, Bully, The Godfather: Blackhand, Scareface, BWii, and loads of VC and upcoming wiiware titles.

Also competitvie multiplayer or just somewhere else other than party games which is different from party games SSBB, MKWii, PES Soccer, also MoH: H2, Mario Strikers Charged, MLB Power Pros, GHIII, Sims 2, and many upcoming titles.

its funny when you ignore the significant games that were mentioned...

OMG should I even respond to this troll? seriously this is ridiiculous. he calls me retarded, he mocks another persons game list which happened to prove that guy wrong, and he cant comprehend SMG being revolutionary.

Seriously you are like the shining example of why other people cringe at gamers.

I dont know if I should laugh or get really mad at this troll...

At least the other one was civilized.

There are soooo many things wrong with this thread. What do you mean by kiddy? hardcore? casual? what is a 'good' multiplayer game? I call bunk on every opinion you threw out there. I'm pretty sure you intended well, but it would have been easier to make a thread about wanting more multiplayer games that contain - your opinions here. At least a debate about what multiplayer games are 'good' would have been better, and less confused or misunderstood, than what we have in this thread right now. raahsnavj

ya but look at the rampant trolls just aim your anger at them

i also find it pretty funny how loosly people have been throwing "hardcore" around lately.

hardcores more along the lines of oblivion, and most pc games, any game that has multiplayer that you can play more than 40 hours.

not a platformer that can be beaten in a couple of hours, or to find every item in the game takes around 30.

real hardcore games are on every system but the wii. nintendo wants the wii to stay casual friendly. thats what they are going for. sorry to burst your bubbles.

gearsofhalogeek

Seriously, you don't know what you're talking about. By your logic, there was no hardcore games before the N64 or Playstation because they don't last 40 hours. I prefer Chrono Trigger over Oblivion at anytime. Mario in a platformer form is an hybrid game that "hardcore" and casual gamers can play. I can beat the old Mega Man in less than 1 hour and for me it's hardcore. Seriously, this debate about hardcore and casual really sucks. I blame the "hardcore" games developers and journalists of that. I also blame wannabe hardcore gamers like you. Tales of Symphonia, Mushroom Men, Fragile, King Story, Fatal Frame IV, Disaster: Day of Crisis,... are hardcore games and they are on Wii.

People especially "hardcore" gamers tend to say casual games suck. Did Tetris or Pac-Man suck? I prefer to be a casual gamer that can play good and long games as well.

[QUOTE="gearsofhalogeek"]

i also find it pretty funny how loosly people have been throwing "hardcore" around lately.

hardcores more along the lines of oblivion, and most pc games, any game that has multiplayer that you can play more than 40 hours.

not a platformer that can be beaten in a couple of hours, or to find every item in the game takes around 30.

real hardcore games are on every system but the wii. nintendo wants the wii to stay casual friendly. thats what they are going for. sorry to burst your bubbles.

chris3116

Seriously, you don't know what you're talking about. By your logic, there was no hardcore games before the N64 or Playstation because they don't last 40 hours. I prefer Chrono Trigger over Oblivion at anytime. Mario in a platformer form is an hybrid game that "hardcore" and casual gamers can play. I can beat the old Mega Man in less than 1 hour and for me it's hardcore. Seriously, this debate about hardcore and casual really sucks. I blame the "hardcore" games developers and journalists of that. I also blame wannabe hardcore gamers like you. Tales of Symphonia, Mushroom Men, Fragile, King Story, Fatal Frame IV, Disaster: Day of Crisis,... are hardcore games and they are on Wii.

People especially "hardcore" gamers tend to say casual games suck. Did Tetris or Pac-Man suck? I prefer to be a casual gamer that can play good and long games as well.

I throw proof at him but he still wont listen even by his skewed logic SSBB has TONS of content and LoZ:TP runs around 70 hours and its an action adventure game. ALso have you played fire Emblem. Ya the list goes on.

[QUOTE="Cyber-"]

SMG, LoZ:TP, RE4, RE UC, MP3, Sonic and the **** Rings, Trauma Center: New Blood, Trauma Center: Second Opinion, Fire Emblem, Wario Ware, Zack and Wiki, NMH, MoH; H2, Super Paper Mario, Okami, Bully, The Godfather: Blackhand, Scareface, BWii, and loads of VC and upcoming wiiware titles.

Also competitvie multiplayer or just somewhere else other than party games which is different from party games SSBB, MKWii, PES Soccer, also MoH: H2, Mario Strikers Charged, MLB Power Pros, GHIII, Sims 2, and many upcoming titles.

its funny when you ignore the significant games that were mentioned...

delta4062

First of all, did you play on these games on Wii? Also, it's not the fanboys that are the bad guys but people who are wannabe hardcore gamers.

Isn't this epic guys? Fanboys defending their console. I'm a gamer, not a fanboy, that's where the real war is, not between consoles.

When most people think of the Wii they probably think kiddy multi-player games. But when you look at all the top games on the system. *based off gamerankings* that's just not true. Most of the top games are single-player and not quite kiddy.

Super Mario Galaxy - casual/hardore - co-op is dull, this is singleplayer

Super Smash Bros. Brawl - casual/hardcore - multiplayer

The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess - hardcore - singleplayer

Resident Evil 4: Wii Edition - hardcore - singleplayer

Metroid Prime 3: Corruption - hardcore - singleplayer

Okami - hardcore - singleplayer

Guitar Hero III: Legends of Rock - casual/hardcore - singleplayer

Zack & Wiki: Quest for Barbaros' Treasure - casual/hardcore - singleplayer

Super Paper Mario - casual/hardcore - singleplayer

Bully: Scholarship Edition - hardcore - singleplayer

No More Heroes - hardcore - singleplayer

Mario Kart Wii - casual/hardcore - multiplayer

Wii needs more *GOOD* multiplayer games.

Stevendawg

I seriously disagree with a lot of that. smg, brawl, guitar hero, zack&wiki, and mario kart are strictly casual games in my opinion.

When most people think of the Wii they probably think kiddy multi-player games. But when you look at all the top games on the system. *based off gamerankings* that's just not true. Most of the top games are single-player and not quite kiddy.

Super Mario Galaxy - casual/hardore - co-op is dull, this is singleplayer

Super Smash Bros. Brawl - casual/hardcore - multiplayer

The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess - hardcore - singleplayer

Resident Evil 4: Wii Edition - hardcore - singleplayer

Metroid Prime 3: Corruption - hardcore - singleplayer

Okami - hardcore - singleplayer

Guitar Hero III: Legends of Rock - casual/hardcore - singleplayer

Zack & Wiki: Quest for Barbaros' Treasure - casual/hardcore - singleplayer

Super Paper Mario - casual/hardcore - singleplayer

Bully: Scholarship Edition - hardcore - singleplayer

No More Heroes - hardcore - singleplayer

Mario Kart Wii - casual/hardcore - multiplayer

Wii needs more *GOOD* multiplayer games.

Stevendawg

I don't really find "kiddy" games to be wrong, but I just wanted to say that most of the games you listed ARE kind of kiddy games [not as much as other may think but still]. For example, Mario Kart, Super Paper Mario, Zack & Wiki, Super Smash, Super Mario Galaxy. This not "baby" games, but most of the content those games have IS mainly for kids even younger then me [15], not that older ages cant enjoy that, I just explain the other people view.

Oh, here's something to think about. Am I the only one noticing Nintendo is doing a really "evil" thing? They don't give other developers the ability to do Online play. And its been said, that Nintendo is keeping it for itself. Don't you think that's selfish? And thu it makes their multilayer support games [online] sell better, the whole wii suffers from that decision.

Personalty, I don't find Okami to be that kidi. True, that's not RE4 or something, but the concept is funny and it has its own special style, which I guess make it look kiddt in your eyes.

I don't see anything kiddy about it really. The story? For all ages, based on mythology. The written? simple and funny. This is the point that you may think its designed for kids, but no, that's just how it meant to be. The charter look? well, its not Maple or something, its different, and pretty interesting and based on Japanese old art. Is there something kiddy in even one aspect of the game?

[Ok maybe the written is a little bit low, but nothing special and its pretty good and funny for the most part].

i also find it pretty funny how loosly people have been throwing "hardcore" around lately.

hardcores more along the lines of oblivion, and most pc games, any game that has multiplayer that you can play more than 40 hours.

not a platformer that can be beaten in a couple of hours, or to find every item in the game takes around 30.

gearsofhalogeek

Like I said before, this is why I absolutely hate the terms "casual" and "hardcore". People have an extremely strong tendency to define "hardcore" ridiculously arbitrarily and in such a way that it conveniently excludes all games on the Wii console. No argument over the definition of a word has ever gone anywhere or produced anything worthwhile whatsoever.

I don't even see why we need to make the distinction. If you like a game, buy it; to hell with whether or not it's "casual" or "hardcore". To be perfectly honest, the distinction just seems to have been made up by people with a bone to pick with the Wii.

Most of the games you listed are actually considered pretty "kiddy"- Super Mario Galaxy, Super Smash Bros, Zelda, Metroid, Okami, Super Paper Mario, Mario Kart, and most of all.... Zack and Wiki. I don't get where you're getting the opinion that all of those are harcore, either, but whatever. criinok

Okami? Zack & Wiki? Metroid?

No offense, but have you played these games, or are you going based off of screenshots that you saw somewhere? This is the first time I've heard anyone assert Metroid to be a kiddy game.

Dont mistake your lack of maturaty for a games being "kiddy". Just because a game contains simplicity in gameplay or graphicly

doesnt make it "kiddy" or more for hardcore gamers. Distingusing games as Hardcore and casual is just another way for people to

put down games and the people who play them. Sure some games are geared to a more game aquainted aduance i dont deny

but to definatively say this game is hardcore or this game is causal is an overal waste of time. Like i saw LoZ:TP listed as hardcore

when just as many casual gamers play TP as core gamers do. RE4 another game with a large casual gamer base. Multiplayer in

Wii games just out and out sucks. The N64 was nintendos peak of multiplayer ever since then its gone down hil. With Wii so far

being the worst. Now they are trying to master online multiplayer when they havent even gotten a soild local multiplayer down yet.

So far there hasnt been a single impressive multiplayer experince out there on the wii not counting MK because i havent played it.

Mario Party was disapointing because they only did a little with all they had to work with. IMO mario party should have had the

effort and time put in as SSBB and MK because it could have really showed off the Wii but hey theres still time.

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i also find it pretty funny how loosly people have been throwing "hardcore" around lately.

hardcores more along the lines of oblivion, and most pc games, any game that has multiplayer that you can play more than 40 hours.

not a platformer that can be beaten in a couple of hours, or to find every item in the game takes around 30.

GabuEx

Like I said before, this is why I absolutely hate the terms "casual" and "hardcore". People have an extremely strong tendency to define "hardcore" ridiculously arbitrarily and in such a way that it conveniently excludes all games on the Wii console. No argument over the definition of a word has ever gone anywhere or produced anything worthwhile whatsoever.

I don't even see why we need to make the distinction. If you like a game, buy it; to hell with whether or not it's "casual" or "hardcore". To be perfectly honest, the distinction just seems to have been made up by people with a bone to pick with the Wii.

Most of the games you listed are actually considered pretty "kiddy"- Super Mario Galaxy, Super Smash Bros, Zelda, Metroid, Okami, Super Paper Mario, Mario Kart, and most of all.... Zack and Wiki. I don't get where you're getting the opinion that all of those are harcore, either, but whatever. criinok

Okami? Zack & Wiki? Metroid?

No offense, but have you played these games, or are you going based off of screenshots that you saw somewhere? This is the first time I've heard anyone assert Metroid to be a kiddy game.

this thread is running rampant with trolls