I'm sick of these 'SSBB control' threads! *BIG INFO RANT*

"I hope it uses teh wiimote because itz teh wii game!! NO EXCEPTIONS NINTENDO, I DON'T CARE HOW SACRIFICIAL THE GAMEPLAY IS, GIVE IT WII CONTROLS!"

What's more is that people are actually saying that nothing has been confirmed, at least from Nintendo. Wow, I could've swore that Sakurai said:
"We found that trying to implement too much motion-sensory functionality can get in the way of the game. We're looking at keeping the control simple, as it has been. The Wii hardware has sockets for the GameCube controller, too. So I'll just say now that you may not want to throw away your GCN controller yet."

From the article:

The game will use the Wii to its fullest, except for one large exception: Brawl will not take advantage of the Wiimote ."
End of story. End of discussion. End of "but wii controls CAN work!"

Of course they can work..............just worse than GC/classic controls. First off the d-pad is in a more awkward position. Secondly, the buttons are more spread out and further apart, and the button count has been seperated on both the nunchuck and wiimote making a steep learning curve. And thirdly they would have to slow down the game entirely for the motion-sensing to be detected and work efficiently.

Why not include less motion-sensing, you ask? Well then it would feel gimmicky and almost defeats the purpose of the wiimote's drawcard in Brawl. Plus fans will rave on saying "Well, if you were to include such low amount of wii functionality, why just put in classic controls?" Fanboys are never pleased and the game would have to be adjusted for both control schemes to work in the game. Otherwise everyone would favor the classic control scheme and including the wiimote scheme would just be a waste of time. "But in Dragon Ball Z Tenkaichi 2 it worked!", ah but you see that was a 3D fighting game. Key word highlighted. The cheap energy tactics, evasion teleport manoevers and special cinematic moves are almost non-existent in Brawl. Not to mention DBZ has a steep learning curve.

"But, I'd have to disk out hundreds of bucks!!!" O Rly? Brawl is mainly for the Melee/GC fan. That's a fan base of almost 7 million worldwide. How many of the 7 million would throw away their GC controllers? As for the newcomers or the air-heads who sold everything GC wise to buy a Wii, why not bundle 2 classic controllers or GC controllers with the game, or re-release GC controllers at a heavily discounted price or buy 2nd hand ones? It's shoould be between the $50-$100 range to buy 4 able controllers for Brawl. And for Brawl, it is worth it alone. Melee is just as fun as it was in 2002 for me. And that's not coutning the limitless multiplayer.  

So there you have it. Brawl is using the classic control scheme. I will linky and even put this in my favorites to any other thread that'll pop up of its nature. I hope some of you bump this, agree or even argue as I enjoy a good debate as much as a good agreement.

was there any need for this rant?? not like its gonna put a stop to all the control topicsneon_tetra

It's something I'll post as a referral to all the control topics.

i would prefer the wii-mote with no motion sensingwii60_lukatoll

This doesn't mean anything. Developers aren't gods who know what's good for the sake of gaming. Just because one of them is incapable of seeing beyond traditional gameplay does not mean we simply have to accept it. What do you expect him to say? "Sorry, I'm too lazy to put real effort on this project, I'd rather milk you"? He'll obviously say it would ruin the game, so every Smash fanboy will feel like Sakurai is saving their lives or whatsoever.

And for every people who says "omg its a wii game give me teh wii controls", there's four who say "ssb is da perfect dont change anything cuz i'm not smart enough to use a wiimote don't fix it its not broken do u want to move your arms like a monkey lol". Brilliant discussion.

SSOOOO....

It is not only "old farts" who are afraid of change.  I remeber when I was screamin about all the extra buttons on the PS1 controller.  Use the Wiimote!!! Take a ride on that steep learning curve.

I still want some damned motion sensitive controls. Otherwise it's just an prettier SSBM.expired311

[QUOTE="expired311"]I still want some damned motion sensitive controls. Otherwise it's just an prettier SSBM.c0mplex

And Smash Bros. can't be an exception, right?

How about not rehashing the exact same battle system and you might get something that is less tacked onto the Wiimote.yodariquo

:)

no way im for the classic contol the whole freakin way cause in my opinion ssbb is too fast paced of game to be fumbling around with the wii mote the whole dang time ....somegames just don't make sense with a wiimote control schematic

[QUOTE="yodariquo"]How about not rehashing the exact same battle system and you might get something that is less tacked onto the Wiimote.Wintry_Flutist

:)

no way im for the classic contol the whole freakin way cause in my opinion ssbb is too fast paced of game to be fumbling around with the wii mote the whole dang time ....somegames just don't make sense with a wiimote control schematic

quillo08

Where's the law that say SSB has to be so fast paced the Wiimote can't be introduced to the series?

This doesn't mean anything. Developers aren't gods who know what's good for the sake of gaming. Just because one of them is incapable of seeing beyond traditional gameplay does not mean we simply have to accept it. What do you expect him to say? "Sorry, I'm too lazy to put real effort on this project, I'd rather milk you"? He'll obviously say it would ruin the game, so every Smash fanboy will feel like Sakurai is saving their lives or whatsoever.

And for every people who says "omg its a wii game give me teh wii controls", there's four who say "ssb is da perfect dont change anything cuz i'm not smart enough to use a wiimote don't fix it its not broken do u want to move your arms like a monkey lol". Brilliant discussion.

Wintry_Flutist

[QUOTE="c0mplex"][QUOTE="expired311"]I still want some damned motion sensitive controls. Otherwise it's just an prettier SSBM.Wintry_Flutist

And Smash Bros. can't be an exception, right?

so basically what u r saying is that they should dumb tdown the controls just for the sake of the wiimote?

thats a bad idea

[QUOTE="Wintry_Flutist"]

This doesn't mean anything. Developers aren't gods who know what's good for the sake of gaming. Just because one of them is incapable of seeing beyond traditional gameplay does not mean we simply have to accept it. What do you expect him to say? "Sorry, I'm too lazy to put real effort on this project, I'd rather milk you"? He'll obviously say it would ruin the game, so every Smash fanboy will feel like Sakurai is saving their lives or whatsoever.

And for every people who says "omg its a wii game give me teh wii controls", there's four who say "ssb is da perfect dont change anything cuz i'm not smart enough to use a wiimote don't fix it its not broken do u want to move your arms like a monkey lol". Brilliant discussion.

c0mplex

I won't read and answer this because your starting argument is wrong, you' ve misread my post. I said devs aren't gods who know what's good for the world (which meant we shouldn't accept their decisions simply because they're making the game, as they were the only ones capable and allowed to decide what's better), and not that they don't act as gods.

amen

I won't read and answer this because your starting argument is wrong, you' ve misread my post. I said devs aren't gods who know what's good for the world (which meant we shouldn't accept their decisions simply because they're making the game, as they were the only ones capable and allowed to decide what's better), and not that they don't act as gods.

Wintry_Flutist

so basically what u r saying is that they should dumb tdown the controls just for the sake of the wiimote?

thats a bad idea

quillo08

No, I'm saying you can't expect the same results on screen with a Wiimote. Everyone out there thinks about Melee with tacked on Wiimote functions when someone mentions the Wiimote introduction in the Smash series. The Smash franchise is about creativity and technique (a pro would own you with Jigglypuff in ways you cannot even dream about), and the Wiimote could allow more freedom for that matter. Just because something frantic is happening on screen does not mean the Wiimote has to be moved frantically.

Look at No More Heroes. It's an action game with a simple, intelligent and coherent use of the Wiimote that does not require any extreme movement. Just as in this game, you can leave the frantic extravaganza of attacks on the buttons (in case you haven't noticed, there's a lot of them on the Wiimote/Nunchuk), while using the motion sensors for other commands.

[QUOTE="Wintry_Flutist"]

I won't read and answer this because your starting argument is wrong, you' ve misread my post. I said devs aren't gods who know what's good for the world (which meant we shouldn't accept their decisions simply because they're making the game, as they were the only ones capable and allowed to decide what's better), and not that they don't act as gods.

c0mplex

It was adressed for anyone who uses Sakurai's words as argument against the Wiimote.

This doesn't mean anything. Developers aren't gods who know what's good for the sake of gaming. Just because one of them is incapable of seeing beyond traditional gameplay does not mean we simply have to accept it. What do you expect him to say? "Sorry, I'm too lazy to put real effort on this project, I'd rather milk you"? He'll obviously say it would ruin the game, so every Smash fanboy will feel like Sakurai is saving their lives or whatsoever.

And for every people who says "omg its a wii game give me teh wii controls", there's four who say "ssb is da perfect dont change anything cuz i'm not smart enough to use a wiimote don't fix it its not broken do u want to move your arms like a monkey lol". Brilliant discussion.

Wintry_Flutist

"Sorry, I'm too lazy to put real effort into this project" :| Lemme bounce that back "Even though I've been working on this game since October 05, and I'll keep at it until it's a quality title, even though I'll add a lot more modes, characters, stages and effects and even though I've tried to put in motion-sensing but it doesn't have the feel I'm looking for, I'm a lazy developer. Send me to Sega."

Nice exaggeration on saying I'm not smart enough to use a wiimote, I thought it was a chocolate-covered candy bar.

How about not rehashing the exact same battle system and you might get something that is less tacked onto the Wiimote.yodariquo

"I have beaten every Zelda game". Even all the 3D ones? And you're not sick of the button layout and combat system for that?

You're so sick of these threads that you made your own.  Nice.EolGul2

:lol: Thanks. But I made this so people can end it about if classic controls are confirmed or not. And it's for future reference too.

Optusnet... thank you for writing something that i didn't feel like doing... im just sick of stupid people... so i thank youlilsmurfaroonie

:) no worries, although some of the people who defend the wii controls do bring up some good points. It's a shame they think that the game will just act like 'a prettier and rehashed' Melee if it gets the classic controls. 

[QUOTE="Wintry_Flutist"]

This doesn't mean anything. Developers aren't gods who know what's good for the sake of gaming. Just because one of them is incapable of seeing beyond traditional gameplay does not mean we simply have to accept it. What do you expect him to say? "Sorry, I'm too lazy to put real effort on this project, I'd rather milk you"? He'll obviously say it would ruin the game, so every Smash fanboy will feel like Sakurai is saving their lives or whatsoever.

And for every people who says "omg its a wii game give me teh wii controls", there's four who say "ssb is da perfect dont change anything cuz i'm not smart enough to use a wiimote don't fix it its not broken do u want to move your arms like a monkey lol". Brilliant discussion.

Optusnet

"Sorry, I'm too lazy to put real effort into this project" :| Lemme bounce that back "Even though I've been working on this game since October 05, and I'll keep at it until it's a quality title, even though I'll add a lot more modes, characters, stages and effects and even though I've tried to put in motion-sensing but it doesn't have the feel I'm looking for, I'm a lazy developer. Send me to Sega."

Nice exaggeration on saying I'm not smart enough to use a wiimote, I thought it was a chocolate-covered candy bar.

What the hell are you talking about?

[QUOTE="Optusnet"][QUOTE="Wintry_Flutist"]

This doesn't mean anything. Developers aren't gods who know what's good for the sake of gaming. Just because one of them is incapable of seeing beyond traditional gameplay does not mean we simply have to accept it. What do you expect him to say? "Sorry, I'm too lazy to put real effort on this project, I'd rather milk you"? He'll obviously say it would ruin the game, so every Smash fanboy will feel like Sakurai is saving their lives or whatsoever.

And for every people who says "omg its a wii game give me teh wii controls", there's four who say "ssb is da perfect dont change anything cuz i'm not smart enough to use a wiimote don't fix it its not broken do u want to move your arms like a monkey lol". Brilliant discussion.

Wintry_Flutist

"Sorry, I'm too lazy to put real effort into this project" :| Lemme bounce that back "Even though I've been working on this game since October 05, and I'll keep at it until it's a quality title, even though I'll add a lot more modes, characters, stages and effects and even though I've tried to put in motion-sensing but it doesn't have the feel I'm looking for, I'm a lazy developer. Send me to Sega."

Nice exaggeration on saying I'm not smart enough to use a wiimote, I thought it was a chocolate-covered candy bar.

What the hell are you talking about?

I'm talking about that there was no 'lack of effort' in dismissing wii controls for this game. And that Brawl will have many compensations for the lack of new controls.

I'm talking about that there was no 'lack of effort' in dismissing wii controls for this game. And that Brawl will have many compensations for the lack of new controls.

Optusnet

The problem is that those compensations aren't impressing me, and doubtfully will once the game is released. If all they'll have to offer are better graphics and online, SSBB should be released on 360, and then those upgrades could be done right.

[QUOTE="Optusnet"]

I'm talking about that there was no 'lack of effort' in dismissing wii controls for this game. And that Brawl will have many compensations for the lack of new controls.

Wintry_Flutist

The problem is that those compensations aren't impressing me, and doubtfully will once the game is released. If all they'll have to offer are better graphics and online, SSBB should be released on 360, and then those upgrades could be done right.

Considering we know so little about the game and you're forgetting the new characters and arenas in the game, that's a pretty rush judgement to make. And I hope your joking about the 360 comment, I mean, it IS a Nintendo game.....

[QUOTE="Wintry_Flutist"][QUOTE="Optusnet"]

I'm talking about that there was no 'lack of effort' in dismissing wii controls for this game. And that Brawl will have many compensations for the lack of new controls.

Optusnet

The problem is that those compensations aren't impressing me, and doubtfully will once the game is released. If all they'll have to offer are better graphics and online, SSBB should be released on 360, and then those upgrades could be done right.

Considering we know so little about the game and you're forgetting the new characters and arenas in the game, that's a pretty rush judgement to make. And I hope your joking about the 360 comment, I mean, it IS a Nintendo game.....

You have understood what I mean. Sakurai wants to upgrade graphics, content and add an online mode to make a difference. Well, the Wii is not the right console for those upgrades, mainly graphics and content. They're possible, but won't be as impressive - not even close to it - as if the Wii actually had the power of a next gen console.

[QUOTE="Optusnet"][QUOTE="Wintry_Flutist"][QUOTE="Optusnet"]

I'm talking about that there was no 'lack of effort' in dismissing wii controls for this game. And that Brawl will have many compensations for the lack of new controls.

Wintry_Flutist

The problem is that those compensations aren't impressing me, and doubtfully will once the game is released. If all they'll have to offer are better graphics and online, SSBB should be released on 360, and then those upgrades could be done right.

Considering we know so little about the game and you're forgetting the new characters and arenas in the game, that's a pretty rush judgement to make. And I hope your joking about the 360 comment, I mean, it IS a Nintendo game.....

You have understood what I mean. Sakurai wants to upgrade graphics, content and add an online mode to make a difference. Well, the Wii is not the right console for those upgrades, mainly graphics and content. They're possible, but won't be as impressive - not even close to it - as if the Wii actually had the power of a next gen console.

You know, you're right on that point. But Wii's disk space can offer a shat-load more content than GC's disk space comprsied of 'compressed' data. I understand that Wii isn't next-gen in terms of power and space, and sure as hell isn't next-gen in terms of visuals. But this is a 'thankyou' game or a game 'for the fans' if anything. Melee fans will chew this one right up, heck they'll even knaw at the bone - because it delivers a Melee experience with 'more' stuff and because of that, no one will complain except the people who didn't enjoy Melee or the people who would want something brand new than just an upgrade to Melee.

Very little people are complaining that Brawl is not going to be a gi-normous leap from Melee. Why? Sonic on Wii is being hyped because it returns to its roots. God of War 2 is being hyped because it's so farmiliar to the original, except it offers 'more'. And because Melee is so much fun, they could make Brawl worse than Melee, and it'd still be fun to play.