Is ayumi_miyazaki right about 3rd parties?

i think theres pretty damn cool 3rd party games. and i will keep buying them.

I'm not sure who this person is either. :P Arc2012

The singer and composer of Digimon theme songs. Which makes even less sense why someone of his capacity would complain, considering there isn't a single Digimon game even on the Wii.

Make a game for Wii, THEN complain about third party support.

She says 3rd party games on nintendo systems are the worst and that we should avoid them at all cost. I'm beginning to agree with her even more now after hearing capcom sega and activision say there pulling back slowly from nintendo. I wonder if next gen when be any better? What do you think?sakura_hayamasa

Where did you hear this?

She says 3rd party games on nintendo systems are the worst and that we should avoid them at all cost. I'm beginning to agree with her even more now after hearing capcom sega and activision say there pulling back slowly from nintendo. I wonder if next gen when be any better? What do you think?sakura_hayamasa

I agree that the third party support on the Wii is the worst out of the current generation consoles. However, there are a few great titles that have been or will be released such as Muramasa, Monster Hunter 3, Tales of Graces, and No More Heroes.

BS! ayumi must be buying the wrong 3rd parties games...there are alot of crap 3rd parties games out there & also alot of good ones out there. If none of the 3rd parties games for Wii appeal to her, she bought the wrong console.

[QUOTE="funsohng"]??? i thought miyazaki ayumi was a guyBrunoBRS

You are thinking of Ayumi Hamasaki, this was Miyazaki.

Don't assume next time.

I don't see why one would avoid all third party games just because some of them are bad. Some of the best games on the Wii are third party, like Zack & Wiki, de Blob, and Silent Hill: Shattered Memories.

Also, I can find no record of Ayumi Miyazaki saying anything along these lines.

Who the hell is ayumi_miyazaki and why the hell would I listen to this person? Some of the best Wii games are 3rd party games.

Wait...are we talking about the user named ayumi_miyazaki...?

Who cares what some pop singer who is a guy by the way says about thrid parties on the wii. Yes there has been a lot of crap or games that did not live up to what they should have been. No More Heroes, Zack and Wiki, Tatsunoko vs Capcom, Muramasa, and Trauma Center say otherwise. Third party is overrated. First party is usually where systems shine. Not to bring up other companies but why do you think Sony has boosted their 1st party support this generation? because third parties are not doing their best. Yes Microsoft has a lot of third party support but that is pretty much all they have. If you took away all of their 3rd party games, the 360 would not have anything.

What does all of that have to do with the Wii? What I am saying is that first party games are Nintendo's strongest point and those are the games that will prove the system is worth playing on. Yes some third party games are awesome, but first party is where people should be looking. Metroid, Mario, Zelda, F-zero, Punch out, Wave Race and so forth.

The same with Sony. Jak and Daxter, Uncharted, Ratchet and Clank, Wipeout, Killzone, Hot Shots Golf, Motorstorm, Little Big Planet, etc.

When you have a big enough first party, you don't need to rely on third parties that much, so anything the Wii gets on top of it's first party is just gravy. Nintendo has numerous games in it's arsenal so it's not like if they would lose that much. If this is a complaint that you want X games from 3rd parties on Wii, then to correct that problem would be to buy one of the other systems.

I don't understand why there are complaints about this on a Nintendo system. Nintendo and third party difficulties go back to the N64 era. If you own more than one system, then you can almost play whatever you want. It's not that hard to save up. If you can spend X amount of money on new games every once and again then you can find some way to save up.

I am not trying to be a bum about the whole situation but there are topics about this every week. The only thing to do is to get another system in order to add to what you do not have and desire.

I'm confused. Who is this?

[QUOTE="BrunoBRS"][QUOTE="funsohng"]??? i thought miyazaki ayumi was a guySirSpudly

You are thinking of Ayumi Hamasaki, this was Miyazaki.

Don't assume next time.

@everyone The ayumi I'm talking about is the user here on these forums. She's my best friend and she always Supports nintendo. Except for the 3rd parties. I've listen to all of your comments and I agree with most of you but like ayumi_miyazaki I pretty much gave up on 3rd parties. If you go to VGcharts site you'll see proof of activision's betrayal. Sega isn't making M rated games on Wii anymore. And capcom is less games planned even thu the Wii is at 69 million sold. Its Nuttssakura_hayamasa

Take a look in this thread http://au.gamespot.com/pages/forums/show_msgs.php?topic_id=27177074&tag=topics;title

Any of the 3rd party games in that whole thread interest your friend/ you?

@sakura_hayamasa Yep, I gave up on 3rd parties on nintendo consoles. Like many others I understand now that nintendo makes the best games. No one else compares. Where's FF13, RE5 , etc. Etc. , they'll never hit the wii because 3rd parties hate competing with nintendo. So they don't even try anymore. They just release shovelware now.

@fellow nintendo fans Sakura and I are best friends and we agree on a lot of things but its true third parties just don't care for nintendo. Even the DS is getting more shovelware than psp is these daysayumi_miyazaki

Even just this year we already have Tatsunoko vs. Capcom, No More Heroes 2, and Mega Man 10, all of which the vast majority agree are great games. Other third party games I've owned and enjoyed from 2009 include A Boy and His Blob, Dead Space: Extraction, Resident Evil: Darkside Chronicles, Little King's Story, Rune Factory Frontier, and Silent Hill: Shattered Memories. The statement that third party developers release nothing but shovelware on the Wii is just provably false - no offense - and one is really only hurting oneself by generalizing in that fashion.

im looking foward to red steel 2, monster hunter 3, epic mickey, nba jam. sonic 4, your wrong.

@ayumi_miyazaki Isn't it funny how al the games being mentioned are NOT wii exclusive and are comig to the HD twins soon. Its simply TRUE. Endlees ocean was better than all those 3rd party games combined and its an obscure title for goodness sake. Why is it that only nintendo is pushing the wii to its limits. Where's the effort from square capcom and konamisakura_hayamasa

???

What games mentioned in this thread are not Wii exclusive?

Square Enix published Final Fantasy Fables: Chocobo's Dungeon, Final Fantasy Crystal Chronicles: My Life as a King, and Lost Winds, and has announced Dragon Quest X. Capcom has given us Zack & Wiki, Tatsunoko vs. Capcom, and soon Monster Hunter Tri. Konami was one of the first in the game with Elebits, and has since produced MLB Power Pros and Silent Hill: Shattered Memories.

Why are you persisting with the idea that third party developers are doing nothing? You are welcome to express a lack of desire for the games that third party developers have created, but to act as though they do not exist or that none have been well-received is a little confusing.

im looking foward to red steel 2, monster hunter 3, epic mickey, nba jam. sonic 4, your wrong.

KBFloYd

@ GabuEx, I think they are referring to mulitplatforms title like FFXIII which is coming for the HD systems ...but not Wii.

@ GabuEx Please don't get the wrong idea about me. I love nintendo with all my heart. I only play on their systems but there comes a point when enough is enough. I don't see any exclusive 3rd party games on Wii/DS that are worth playing. I live in japan and I see most companies supporting PSP over DS with more exclusive content. And even thu the wii is the most popular system here its 3rd party games is frightning. Whenever I enter a store and see a 3rd party Wii/DS game I just keep walking. Its it doest say Nintendo on the box then oh well. I will NOT waste my money on bull-crap. I'm sorry but I work too hard for my money. ayumi_miyazaki

There are some big name third party titles out/coming out on the Wii such as Monster Hunter Tri, Dragon Quest X, Tales of Graces, Xenoblade, and The Last Story. I share your belief that the Wii's third party pales in comparison to its competition, but it does (or it will) have some really great games that owners of the HD consoles wish they had. Regarding the DS, I always felt that it had a better and more diverse library than the PSP. For example, it is getting Dragon Quest VI and IX, Shin Megami Tensi: Strange Journey, Okamiden, Mega Man Zero Collection, and Golden Sun DS. Please note that this is just for games being released in the 2010+ era. There are also plenty of titles to choose from from the previous years. The DS has an amazing library and third party is not that much of an issue for it, especially if you live in Japan.

EDIT: I've seen your Owned Games and Now Playing list...I'm not sure if you simply haven't updated it but if that's not the case, then you still have plenty of games left to play. ;)

[QUOTE="ayumi_miyazaki"]@ GabuEx Please don't get the wrong idea about me. I love nintendo with all my heart. I only play on their systems but there comes a point when enough is enough. I don't see any exclusive 3rd party games on Wii/DS that are worth playing. I live in japan and I see most companies supporting PSP over DS with more exclusive content. And even thu the wii is the most popular system here its 3rd party games is frightning. Whenever I enter a store and see a 3rd party Wii/DS game I just keep walking. Its it doest say Nintendo on the box then oh well. I will NOT waste my money on bull-crap. I'm sorry but I work too hard for my money. Sky-

There are some big name third party titles out/coming out on the Wii such as Monster Hunter Tri, Dragon Quest X, Tales of Graces, Xenoblade, and The Last Story. I share your belief that the Wii's third party pales in comparison to its competition, but it does (or it will) have some really great games that owners of the HD consoles wish they had. Regarding the DS, I always felt that it had a better and more diverse library than the PSP. For example, it is getting Dragon Quest VI and IX, Shin Megami Tensi: Strange Journey, Okamiden, Mega Man Zero Collection, and Golden Sun DS. Please note that this is just for games being released in the 2010+ era. There are also plenty of titles to choose from from the previous years. The DS has an amazing library and third party is not that much of an issue for it, especially if you live in Japan.

EDIT: I've seen your Owned Games and Now Playing list...I'm not sure if you simply haven't updated it but if that's not the case, then you still have plenty of games left to play. ;)

all great but were talking about 3rd party wii/DS games. Golden sun is 1st party. Plus I'm talkng exclusivesayumi_miyazaki

Excluding that, the games I listed are all exclusives and third party. I'm not really sure what you would consider Xenoblade though because Nintendo owns the majority (but not all) of Monolith.

[QUOTE="ayumi_miyazaki"]all great but were talking about 3rd party wii/DS games. Golden sun is 1st party. Plus I'm talkng exclusivesSky-

Excluding that, the games I listed are all exclusives and third party. I'm not really sure what you would consider Xenoblade though because Nintendo owns the majority (but not all) of Monolith.

well clearly Xenoblade, and The Last Story are 1st party games/2nd party (if that means anything) but its a good list you named but overall I wish there was moreayumi_miyazaki

Mistwalker Studios is not a part of Nintendo. The Big-N is only publishing it...i.e. they will not be taking part in the actual development of The Last Story. Regarding Xenoblade, I think it would be considered first party since Nintendo owns a majority share of Monolith and they basically have to do whatever Nintendo tells them. I wish there was more as well, but I am not exactly surprised that the third party is lacking when you consider the fact that Nintendo opted for last-gen hardware, which vastly limited many multiplatform games that it could have potentially gotten, and how Nintendo first party games consistently dominate the sales charts, with very little third party success.

are you SERIOUS?!!!! Well for one thing red steel2 is PS3 bound (its developer said said so in a interveiw; plus they said they didn't have high hopes for the wii version) ayumi_miyazaki

[are you SERIOUS?!!!! Well for one thing red steel2 is PS3 bound (its developer said said so in a interveiw; plus they said they didn't have high hopes for the wii version) ayumi_miyazaki

there have been no multiplatnews on redsteel 2 which is made specifically for WM+..oh wait i think there is an ARC RUmoUR..

Monste hunter so now its in nintendo hands so yes that game will sell well ayumi_miyazaki

Damn Right

but as for the rest of that crap you mentioned, there all coming out on xbox 360. (To be fair, epic mickey is exclusive but its producer said he can see the game on 360 at some point) ayumi_miyazaki

Epic mickey is still exclusive.. the guy said heMIGHT it for xbox or ps3 IF the motion controls were out.. i doubt mickey can be made for natal and the ARC maybe... but those are rumors.. not fact.. check yo self.
ALSO, nba jam (which is crap lolz) is just a rumor about psn or xbox live arcade..wii will get a retail disc with box art.. but again your not stating Facts?!!

go play final fantasy on your ps3 or something.

[QUOTE="ayumi_miyazaki"]

there have been no multiplatnews on redsteel 2 which is made specifically for WM+..oh wait i think there is an ARC RUmoUR..

[QUOTE="ayumi_miyazaki"] Monste hunter so now its in nintendo hands so yes that game will sell well KBFloYd

Damn Right

but as for the rest of that crap you mentioned, there all coming out on xbox 360. (To be fair, epic mickey is exclusive but its producer said he can see the game on 360 at some point) ayumi_miyazaki

Epic mickey is still exclusive.. the guy said heMIGHT it for xbox or ps3 IF the motion controls were out.. i doubt mickey can be made for natal and the ARC maybe... but those are rumors.. not fact.. check yo self.
ALSO, nba jam (which is crap lolz) is just a rumor about psn or xbox live arcade..wii will get a retail disc with box art.. but again your not stating Facts?!!

go play final fantasy on your ps3 or something.

@ GabuEx Please don't get the wrong idea about me. I love nintendo with all my heart. I only play on their systems but there comes a point when enough is enough. I don't see any exclusive 3rd party games on Wii/DS that are worth playing. I live in japan and I see most companies supporting PSP over DS with more exclusive content. And even thu the wii is the most popular system here its 3rd party games is frightning. Whenever I enter a store and see a 3rd party Wii/DS game I just keep walking. Its it doest say Nintendo on the box then oh well. I will NOT waste my money on bull-crap. I'm sorry but I work too hard for my money. ayumi_miyazaki

Well your main problem is that you only play on Nintendo systems. Nintendo is great but other companies make just as good games in their own way. Companies have already said that they don't want any system to have PS2 like dominance and they want to expand their relationships with everyone. This is why Namco sold Nintendo most of Monolith, the company that did the Xenosaga trilogy. Capcom decided to pull back because when they did try on Wii, half their games did not sell. Zack and Wiki rocked and probably is still one of the best uses of the Wiimote to this very day. Even though Okami was a port, that still is a cool game that no one bought. Sega has been supporting Nintendo ever since the gamecube era. They have put Monkey Ball, Madworld, Samba de amigo, Sonic All Stars Tennis and Racing as well as the Conduit on the wii. I heard that Madworld is pretty awsome albeit short. I am not into beat em up games that much. Sega went full blast by putting out all of those games and no one wanted it.

Little King story was pretty good for a strategy game and yet no one bought it.

Square has not done much of anything good this generation period. Star Ocean 4 and FF 13 have been thier best games so far and a good bit of people don't like those games. They also published infinite Undiscovery and developed Last Remnant. Both of those games were not that great as well.

Factor 5 created Lair, which is pretty much the biggest hyped game to fail as bad as it did. Level 5's white Knight Chronicles also failed to be as good as it was supposed to. Heavenly Sword, Haze, Last Rebellion, and Cross edge are all supposedly bad 3rd party games. Too Human, Tenchu, Sylspheed and Kengo were just as bad.

My point is that it is not just the Wii that has suffered bad 3rd party support. If you want to play games like RE5 and FF13 then why don't you save and get one of the other systems. Money is tight I know, but gaming is a luxory. First Pary is always where it is at for gaming systems. The reason why Nintendo is the only one pushing the Wii is because it is their own system they made. They are spending money on themselves. Why would you start your own business and not spend money making yourself look good? 3rd parties do not care about pushing hardware of specific companies. They just want to make games that will sell.

Yes the Wii is the most popular system but who is the biggest demograph? This is what people fail to understand. Just because you have the biggest userbase does not mean the better chance you have of somone buying a game. Everyone knows that the Wii has opened up and a lot of people who would not have bought a game system have got a wii. My uncle for example bought a wii to play Tiger Woods. In his view, if the game is not realistic then he won't play it. How many other wii owners are similar to my uncle in the demograph? How many others have ideas similar to his maybe only in a different way? A lot of people that own Wii are not gamer enthusiasts, they might get Wii sports and Wii fit, and that is all they want to play. How many of the 69 million userbase are people like this?

3rd parties are looking at the other companies because they are seeing that Halo sole 8 million+ and that Uncharted 2 has sold over 3 million, and that Infamous has sold about a million and a half. Sega sees their success in the Yakuza franchise in Japan. Hasn't FF13 sold like 2 million in Japan? What are the total numbers for PS3 owners, like just over 4 million something? When half of a total userbase in a given area has your game, then you did pretty well. Monster Hunter also sold well but I don't think it has even reached 2 million has it? Yet the Wii userbase in Japan is what like 9 and half to 10 million? Japan ignored No More Heroes as well. When 3rd actually do relatively good work and see that it did not sell on a console, then they will pull back their resources for that system. In the end you have to deal with what you have.

She is absolutely wrong. She should try

• Tatsunoko vs Capcom
• Rune Factory Frontier
• Little King's Story
• Dokapon Kingdom
• Muramasa the Demon Blade
• No More Heroes

go play final fantasy on your ps3 or something.

KBFloYd

Lol, was that suppossed to be an insult? :P

please here me out.I only love nintendo. I hate the PS3. I never said my statements were facts they are just my opinion. I heard rumors about RS2 going to PS3 when arc is released. Please don't tell me to go check myself, we are all nintendo fans in here , I don't want to make enemies here. I love my nintendo and its fans. I'm just thru with the 3rd parties software. True enough I'm hearing the same rumors you are in regards to Certain titles possibly being ported to other systems but please don't feel some type of way over itayumi_miyazaki

hey sorry i was a pest..just trying to argue like the other people here :P

i love nintendo andwii ismy only system since 2007. i have only owned nintendo since 1985..no sega no microsoft and no sony...
but im seriously thining of getting a 360 for my birthday..OMG i feel like a traitor.
sorry to bore people but i have no one to tell >.>

please here me out.I only love nintendo. I hate the PS3. I never said my statements were facts they are just my opinion. I heard rumors about RS2 going to PS3 when arc is released. Please don't tell me to go check myself, we are all nintendo fans in here , I don't want to make enemies here. I love my nintendo and its fans. I'm just thru with the 3rd parties software. True enough I'm hearing the same rumors you are in regards to Certain titles possibly being ported to other systems but please don't feel some type of way over itayumi_miyazaki

Okay, I think we have pinpointed the biggest issue here.

Nintendo consoles have not been well-known for their third party offerings since the SNES. If you want a good third party offering and also seeing as you live in Japan, the PS3 would be the best option for you. I have no idea why you hate it when its third party is miles above every other home console in that department. This is even more enunciated by the fact that you live in Japan because the 360 has little to no presence there and the Wii's third party is lacking in every region you go to.

She is absolutely wrong. She should try

• Tatsunoko vs Capcom
• Rune Factory Frontier
• Little King's Story
• Dokapon Kingdom
• Muramasa the Demon Blade
• No More Heroes

Burning-Sludge

[QUOTE="Burning-Sludge"]

She is absolutely wrong. She should try

• Tatsunoko vs Capcom
• Rune Factory Frontier
• Little King's Story
• Dokapon Kingdom
• Muramasa the Demon Blade
• No More Heroes

princeaminparke

@Burning-Sludge: That is a semi-decent list, but relative to the competition, the Wii lacks in the third party area. ayumi_miyazaki acknowledged that, which makes me so very curious as to why she doesn't just switch over to PS3, which solves all of those problems...PS3+Wii is an excellent combination in my opinion.

@ princeaminparke: This would be a very sad industry if Miyamoto was the only talent that we had. Miyamoto has also made some duds such as Wii Music so there goes your theory out of the window. ;)

[QUOTE="princeaminparke"][QUOTE="Burning-Sludge"]

She is absolutely wrong. She should try

• Tatsunoko vs Capcom
• Rune Factory Frontier
• Little King's Story
• Dokapon Kingdom
• Muramasa the Demon Blade
• No More Heroes

Sky-

@Burning-Sludge: That is a semi-decent list, but relative to the competition, the Wii lacks in the third party area. ayumi_miyazaki acknowledged that, which makes me so very curious as to why she doesn't just switch over to PS3, which solves all of those problems...PS3+Wii is an excellent combination in my opinion.

@ princeaminparke: This would be a very sad industry if Miyamoto was the only talent that we had. Miyamoto has also made some duds such as Wii Music so there goes your theory out of the window. ;)