Is the DS under performing?

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#1 killeryoda85
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I used to work for a Game retailer in the UK and the DS launched whilst i was working there. We received a console over a month before its official release with a copy of Mario 64. I was blown away by the quality of the port and was very excited about the graphical possibilities for the DS. However, now i have sold my DS because, whilst i liked the gameplay of some of the current games, i was disappointed with the finish. If the DS can handle Mario 64, why cant it handle other N64 games and other original material of the same visual quality?
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#2 bxgt
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thats what i keep asking, if they can port mario sixty four then just port ocarina of time already.Also rush would be an awsome ds game
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#3 Articuno76
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thats what i keep asking, if they can port mario sixty four then just port ocarina of time already.Also rush would be an awsome ds gamebxgt
Ocarina of time is a little more demanding than M64, even Mario had to be scaled back, although I guess that was a launch title...
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#4 bxgt
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[QUOTE="bxgt"]thats what i keep asking, if they can port mario sixty four then just port ocarina of time already.Also rush would be an awsome ds gameArticuno76
Ocarina of time is a little more demanding than M64, even Mario had to be scaled back, although I guess that was a launch title...

well i guess they could scale it back, i could always do without that water dungeon
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#5 earvcunanan
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You should just stick with a PSP then. People who bought the DS thinking it would be some kind of graphical power house, then you're really dense. It's what Nintendo has always been about: gameplay and innovation.
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#6 AsadMahdi59
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Mario wasn't scaled back. it was better in every way. graphics,additional 30 stars, mini-games, more characters, and multiplayer. i don't know weather or not 64 version had multiplayer or not.
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#7 AsadMahdi59
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You should just stick with a PSP then. People who bought the DS thinking it would be some kind of graphical power house, then you're really dense. It's what Nintendo has always been about: gameplay and innovation.earvcunanan
say the psp never came out, then DS would have been a graphical power house, when compared to gba
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#8 bxgt
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You should just stick with a PSP then. People who bought the DS thinking it would be some kind of graphical power house, then you're really dense. It's what Nintendo has always been about: gameplay and innovation.earvcunanan
i understand what your saying but it not about being a graphical powerhouse, its about living up to its potential.as of now only a handfull of games look better than the gameboy advance.if nintendo is never going to start showing the ds has some horsepower then we might have a problem
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#9 Madmangamer364
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Just because a system is capable of being pushed visually doesn't mean it always should. I understand your concerns with the DS in terms of being able to create solid 3D graphics. The DS has seen some great looking games since SM64DS, but the direction of most of these games have gone in another direction. I look at games, like New Super Mario Bros. and Sonic Rush, that went with 3D characters on a 2D stage, similar to what Yoshi's Story did for the N64. Perhaps that is better fit for the system than just trying to make everything in 3D. I'm not saying that the DS isn't capable of such feats, but it's possible it could take away from what a developer wants to do.
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#10 AsadMahdi59
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well some games are using its pwer well. zelda, the final fantasys, and dragonquest.
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#11 earvcunanan
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I don't know what games you've been playing on your DS, but the games I've been playing have solid graphics.

Lunar Knights
Final Fantasy III
Metroid Prime Hunters
Castlevania: Dawn of Sorrow
Castlevania: Portrait of Ruin
Spectrobes
Star Fox Command
Viewtiful Joe: Double Trouble
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#12 calref
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I agree that the machine doesn't seem to be really hitting its stride given that Mario 64 DS was a launch title and kicks butt over other titles for graphics. However, recently other titles have popped up to compete for graphic glory. I mean, Metroid Prime Hunters, Mario Hoops 3 on 3, and even the upcoming Meet the Robinsons have shown what the machine can do.

Personally I suspect it's just taking this long for developers to learn how to tweak the DS just the right way. Maybe they have not known the best way to squeeze graphics out of the machine or maybe they are just too lazy to go that extra mile. Regardless, I think we will be seeing much better 3D games coming for the DS in the near future. So far it has basked in 2D glory but now developers are feeling comfortable enough that they can get some 3D action happening now too.

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#13 MeteoMario
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The DS wasn't made to have superior graphics, but instead focused on better game play.  IMO I really don't care about graphics, I just care if the game is fun.  Any game can have good graphics but it takes much more effort to make a game that is enjoyably fun.  The DS has lots of good games out here right now that all have great game play.  For example WarioWare Touched! and New Super Mario Brothers became popular games because of their nostalgic and simple game play.  Though these days I think the DS is lagging in producing great games like the ones in the past.  If you want great graphics for a port go with the psp and if you want great graphics for a home console then go with an XBOX 360 or a PS3.

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#14 horgen  Moderator
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I know Nintendo say that DS is as powerful as the N64, and I know it is right.

However the graphic part of the DS is a bit weaker than N64. It is somewhere between psx and N64

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#15 Koushin
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I own a DS and I love it. But I also own a PSP. But if you guys who are wanting powerhouse graphics...I'll tell you right now. PSP + Monster Hunter 2 Portable. That game looks like a PS2 game. I actually gotta go back and get the Castlevania games and Famicom Wars DS! Also Super Robot W! So many games, I can't keep up! :(
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#16 calref
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Ironically Pocketgamer has just posted an artical about this very subject, check it out.

http://www.pocketgamer.co.uk/r/DS/Nintendo+DS/news.asp?c=2636

 

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#17 lukeb123
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I was thinking about the graphical capabilities of the DS and was about to create a new thread about it.  But I'll just add to this one.

I'm 27 years old but grew up with Game Boy.  Then I had the original PlayStation.  I had a PS2 for a little while but college got the better of me.  Now I'm an adult and have a real job and I haven't played video games for 6 or 7 years probably.  But the DS Lite caught my attention (because of it's resemblance to an iBook which I have [yes, I'm a nerd]) so I picked one up last month and have been enjoying several games so far.

At first I thought the graphics were kind of "meh."  But then I played Metroid which, in my opinion, has graphics comparable to the PS1.  After some research I decided to buy Asphalt 2 and the graphics remind me very much of Twisted Metal 2 for PS1.  Plus Tomb Raider is getting great reviews graphics-wise (despite being a 2D/3D platformer).  So I know the little DS can push some polygons.  After seeing just those games I realized that game developers were not using the DS to its fullest graphically.

Why?  My theory is that Nintendo systems generally have a stigma attached to them.  "It's a little kids' system."  But when I played Metroid, Tomb Raider and Asphalt 2, I realized that the DS is graphically capable of much more than developers are putting out there.

My guess is that the developers don't want to sink too much money into an unproven field of gaming on a system like the DS.  Sure, Nintendo is the system of Pokemon, Mario and RPGs, but the DS is capable of more and with as quickly as the Lites are flying off the shelves the gaming audience has become more diverse.

Come on developers!  Push the envelope!

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#18 fmobliv06
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Yeah actually all of the content in Mario was upgraded from its original release. And yes, imo most devlopers are under utilizing the graphical power of the DS, but i don't really mid because i love some of the 2d games that come out on it. The DS still has great looking games like FF3 and Mario.
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#19 Daytona_178
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The DS is a very good portable console in my opinion!

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#20 lukeb123
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I'm no technological whiz, but if the Nintendo 64 could push 100,000 3D polygons per second and the DS can push 122,000 3D polygons per second, then we should be seeing more and better games on the DS.

Looks like the DS has an even brighter future!
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#21 meowww
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In my Opinion the DS in the present is the worst Portable Console i regret to but it
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#22 meowww
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sorry i mean i regret to Buy it
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#23 PharaohsVizier
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If you don't think that the DS is a graphical powerhouse, check out some videos on my site (my sig). There are some great examples of great graphics, mainly TMNT. Unfortunately I no longer have Eragon, but that game was on par with Ocarina of Time, yet it was on the DS. I can say for sure that OOT would look and work great on the DS because of the example that Eragon set.
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#24 bobstrife
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I'm fine with the DS graphics and game list. I wouldnt mine some N64 ports since they could do it. But really, theres a lot of games i gotta buy :D
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#25 killeryoda85
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The DS is a very good portable console in my opinion!

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Im not saying the console isnt any good! im saying that i feel more could be done to enhance the visual aspects of the games!

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#26 merch
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im not complaining ff3 is pwning mario 64 on ds and they used the same cartrage size.
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#27 Articuno76
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I think the there are loads of 3d games coming that push the system polygonally, there is no issue about it reaching it's potential. I am more concerned with the lack of effort put into 2d games, if the gba can do GSH then the DS should be able to pull of some truly beautiful things.
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#28 Lance_C
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They had to repolish it and that would take a lot of time, effort and most importantly a lot of money.
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#29 blacktorn
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Who cares the ds is all about the stylus.

EBA could be the worst looking game ever but it will always be fun 

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#30 Samslayer
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I'd love to see final fantasy 7 ported over! I know that its a gigantic game. I think one way they could get around larger games in size could be to take advantage of both the DS card slot and GBA game slot. Possibly have certain parts of the game on the DS card and others on the GBA slot, I don't even know if this is possible to unite the two slots into one smooth game, but I just think it could be a neat idea...or whatever
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#31 bobstrife
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I'd love to see final fantasy 7 ported over! I know that its a gigantic game. I think one way they could get around larger games in size could be to take advantage of both the DS card slot and GBA game slot. Possibly have certain parts of the game on the DS card and others on the GBA slot, I don't even know if this is possible to unite the two slots into one smooth game, but I just think it could be a neat idea...or whateverSamslayer
Yea its possible. But that'd be lame. Besides I dont think 3 discs could fit on 3 cards. It take like 4 or 5, depending on the quality.
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#32 AsadMahdi59
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well ninja gaiden is sure to have some awesome graphics.
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#33 bobstrife
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well ninja gaiden is sure to have some awesome graphics.AsadMahdi59
if it goes to US...