It seems like everyone on here does not have a GBA...

honestly...everyone is crying about the no GBA slot thing does no one here have a GBA? SP? Micro? the ONLY thing that is bad about the no GBA slot thing really is just u can't play GH...but it's much better on consoles anyways, so...still don't see the big fuss i mean...personally i HATE playing GBA games on my DS, just doesn't feel right IMO, the SP is the way to go...u can play GBA games AND GB/C games....something the phat and lite could NOT do...and it just feels more comfortable i just find this ranting about the no GBA slot thing just a bit....silly if u don't have a GBA of any kind and the new features of the DSi don't appeal to u, then don't buy it...simple it feels like system wars on here...DSi wanters/supporters vs. GBA slot freaksfiercedeity901

1. "Honestly"? Gimme a break, NOT EVERYONE is crying about the no gba slot on the DSi, if you do pay enough attention on every DSi related post, there are still a number of people who can face the fact.

2. You don't see what the big fuss is all about? Let me reply on behalf of those who wants gba slot on the new DSi. Do you know it's sometimes, heck, most of the time troublesome to carry a GBA and DS in a bag? It's 2 handhelds in order to play 2 different games. Yes and for those who even had in mind that they wanted to replay Golden Sun or even Zelda : Link To The Past, just a single DS , be it phat or lite , will do the job. And it's somehow true that not everyone has a GBA. The point here is to pack a single handheld for the ease of travelling or be it, playing at home. 2 different catridges on a single handheld makes life easy.

3. The world is round , everyone has different taste, views and opinions. Some may like it and some might not, so don't go all the way and shoot those people that complained regarding the non GBA slot. They have the right to complaint , unfortunately, commnets after comments soon turned into a debate , NOT A SYSTEM WAR, it's still under the NINTENDO DUAL SCREEN CATEGORY, that's due to the clash of various opinions and likings.

4. Did you realized that this thread that you've made will eventually lead to a hot debate sooner or later. Those who doesn't see fit to your comments will surely reply, just like me.

5. I myself, am not in either of the DSi wanters/supporters vs. GBA slot freaks category. WHY? i found the lack of GBA slot on the new DSi HAVE BOTH IT'S PROS AND CONS , AND EVERYONE HAS THE RIGHT TO SPEAK UP IF THEY'RE NOT SATISFIED , IT FALLS INTO THE CATEGORY OF CONSUMER'S RIGHTS.

I agree with the poster above me. Some people just don't have a GBA so they might want the DS that has the backward compability which allow them to play some GBA games that they have never play before. i am 1 of them who wants the DS with a GBA slot because i did not have a chance to play Golden Sun 2 and 2 Fire Emblem games because my Gameboy Advance got stolen.

No, I don't have a GBA. And even though I can get one, I'd prefer not to carry 2 systems arouns with me.BuryMe

I dont have a GBA but i dont play GBA games so not a problem to me..i think its good how the First DS and the DS lite have the GBA slot as its like a 2-in-1 but then i do have to say i wanted a DS tho play DS games!

I agree the people who do moan dont HAVE to get the DSi BUT almost everyone iv spoken to has issues with the DSi wether its to do with the music player format, Graphics, GBA slot being removed, Camera... i have issues with it too and i probs wont get it rather than moan about what i dont like about it.

[QUOTE="BuryMe"]No, I don't have a GBA. And even though I can get one, I'd prefer not to carry 2 systems arouns with me.fiercedeity901

and for the record, I do carry more than 1 ds game with me :wink:

There's more than just GH that suffers from no GBA slot. Probably the next biggest is the fact that you can't transfer Pokemon from a GBA game to a DS game with the DSi, but there are tons of others. You can't use the Rumble Pak, MP3 Player (Europe), Play-Yan (Japan), TV Tuner, and others because there is no GBA slot for them to go in. Not everyone uses these, but there are people that do, and I'm almost positive Nintendo will be making games that work with the camera on the DSi that are DSi exclusive. This means they're splitting their audience. If you want to play the camera games, you have to get a DSi, which means no Guitar Hero (and others.) If you want GH (et al), then no camera. If you really want both, you're shelling out $200 for a second DS. ptfreak

why would u need the MP3 player and that other stuff when the DSi has it built right into it?fiercedeity901

Because the DSi only plays music in the AAC format.

When I upgraded I sold my GBA because the DS had a GBA slot. Why keep the GBA when the DS can do the same thing but better? The DSI, in my opinion, will probably sell well but its not for me. It has no features I want, nothing new to offer me, (except for a bigger screen) and really I don't see myself forking over 180 dollars when that could buy me a bunch of games that I want. I know their will people who will like this, but its not for me and I will stay away from another hand-held until Nintendo does an actual upgrade to the DS game-wise.

I just hate that my DS will dissolve and thus Nintendo is going to force me to buy the new DSi

....o wait, no it won't. I'll just stick with mine.

[QUOTE="ptfreak"]There's more than just GH that suffers from no GBA slot. Probably the next biggest is the fact that you can't transfer Pokemon from a GBA game to a DS game with the DSi, but there are tons of others. You can't use the Rumble Pak, MP3 Player (Europe), Play-Yan (Japan), TV Tuner, and others because there is no GBA slot for them to go in. Not everyone uses these, but there are people that do, and I'm almost positive Nintendo will be making games that work with the camera on the DSi that are DSi exclusive. This means they're splitting their audience. If you want to play the camera games, you have to get a DSi, which means no Guitar Hero (and others.) If you want GH (et al), then no camera. If you really want both, you're shelling out $200 for a second DS. fiercedeity901

Yeah sure...:| Point is: Nintendo is not supporting the complete DS catalogue on the next iteration of the system and is cutting backwards compatibility. Let's just make a PSP which cannot play Portable Ops anymore...

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When I upgraded I sold my GBA because the DS had a GBA slot. Why keep the GBA when the DS can do the same thing but better? The DSI, in my opinion, will probably sell well but its not for me. It has no features I want, nothing new to offer me, (except for a bigger screen) and really I don't see myself forking over 180 dollars when that could buy me a bunch of games that I want. I know their will people who will like this, but its not for me and I will stay away from another hand-held until Nintendo does an actual upgrade to the DS game-wise.

FallofAthens

Simple solution.

I'm keeping my old DS when I get a DSi.

Simple solution, right? That way I have best of both worlds.

that's why u don't just pick one game or the other before u leave ur house i mean, i know people don't carry more than one DS game with them right? it's the same concept...pick one or the other before u leave the house i can imagine how hard life would be for u guys if nintendo never put the GBA slot in the first two DS' in the first place....oh the tragedy of having to choose...oh the horror of it all....damn u nintendo, damn u to hell LMAO i mean damn...i have to choose either the PSP or DS sometimes...oh how life would be so much easier if they were made together, then we'd never have to choose again ^^yea rightfiercedeity901

Um, wrong? I carry 3-4 DS games on me when I go out normally.

Let's face it: they took out the GBA slot because they wanted to. They wanted to so we'd eventually, for convenience's sake, re-purchase all of our GBA games at the Nintendo store. THAT'S what annoyed me at the removal of the GBA slot. Not that I'd have to carry around one more system (although, btw, I also have a PSP and I carry both around often- I don't have room for an SP), but the whole concept that we have to buy their games ~again~. It's ridiculous.

And by the way, that's not the only reason many people don't want a DSi. Does crap battery life + low-quality "multimedia" features + two bad cameras mean anything to you?

Um, wrong? I carry 3-4 DS games on me when I go out normally.

Let's face it: they took out the GBA slot because they wanted to. They wanted to so we'd eventually, for convenience's sake, re-purchase all of our GBA games at the Nintendo store.

SlorgieNel

Hmm, I actually hadn't thought of that. I'm not really convinced they're going to release GBA games over the online store. I think they're going to be releasing small downloadable games, like the two Brain Training games they have planned. In the conference, they said this is what is planned:

DSiWare200: very compact-sized tools and games

DSiWare500: simple puzzle games and tools of significant size.

Neither of those sound like categories past games could be placed in. There was also another category, temporarily called DsiWare Premium which would cost "more than 800 points" though. I suppose it's possible they could release GBA games in this category, but I think the others are being rather presumptuous to assure everyone that they'll be able to download GBA and other game types through the store.

Though I must admit, it does fit their recent business model to take out the GBA slot in order to force customers to buy GBA games again. After all, they are only now coming out with WiiMotion+, which is going to do what the wiimote was supposed to do back in 2006, yet they're making us buy it now. And not only that, but they're packaging this device (that core gamers and core devs most particularly were lamenting the lack of) with a very casual game. It seems like you must purchase this casual game in order to get the WiiMotion+ to play with your core games. And then there's the Nintendo Points system that doesn't allow you to purchase the quantity of points you need to buy the game or DLC in question, instead forcing you to pay more upfront than the service you're receiving. You can't just purchase 500 points; you've got to buy 1000. And now of course we have GC games with tacked-on wii controls being released as Wii games for a higher price.

So that's why it unfortunately to me doesn't sound that implausible that they'd make customers buy their GBA games again. They're developing a habit of ripping off their customers.

[QUOTE="fiercedeity901"] that's why u don't just pick one game or the other before u leave ur house i mean, i know people don't carry more than one DS game with them right? it's the same concept...pick one or the other before u leave the house i can imagine how hard life would be for u guys if nintendo never put the GBA slot in the first two DS' in the first place....oh the tragedy of having to choose...oh the horror of it all....damn u nintendo, damn u to hell LMAO i mean damn...i have to choose either the PSP or DS sometimes...oh how life would be so much easier if they were made together, then we'd never have to choose again ^^yea rightSlorgieNel

Um, wrong? I carry 3-4 DS games on me when I go out normally.

Let's face it: they took out the GBA slot because they wanted to. They wanted to so we'd eventually, for convenience's sake, re-purchase all of our GBA games at the Nintendo store. THAT'S what annoyed me at the removal of the GBA slot. Not that I'd have to carry around one more system (although, btw, I also have a PSP and I carry both around often- I don't have room for an SP), but the whole concept that we have to buy their games ~again~. It's ridiculous.

And by the way, that's not the only reason many people don't want a DSi. Does crap battery life + low-quality "multimedia" features + two bad cameras mean anything to you?

[QUOTE="FallofAthens"]

When I upgraded I sold my GBA because the DS had a GBA slot. Why keep the GBA when the DS can do the same thing but better? The DSI, in my opinion, will probably sell well but its not for me. It has no features I want, nothing new to offer me, (except for a bigger screen) and really I don't see myself forking over 180 dollars when that could buy me a bunch of games that I want. I know their will people who will like this, but its not for me and I will stay away from another hand-held until Nintendo does an actual upgrade to the DS game-wise.

fiercedeity901

Sorry I think you misunderstood me (or I didn't say it clear enough :P) The DS cant play GBA games better, persay, but I meant the DS can do all the SP/GBA can do and has new functions like being able to play DS games. Personally, I like playing GBA games better on the DS because the sound, sounds more crisp and the buttons just seem to have a better layout. But of course that's my opinion.

I had a hard enough time purchasing a DS without keeping my SP. Luckily I managed to find someone to buy it for 50 dollars, that's almost half of what I payed for my DS. At the time I knew the DS could play GBA games so why keep it? I get what your saying the Gameboy Color games, but I didn't have a single one and I didn't, at the time, see myself buying any of them. I had no need for a way to play color games.

[QUOTE="SlorgieNel"]

[QUOTE="fiercedeity901"] that's why u don't just pick one game or the other before u leave ur house i mean, i know people don't carry more than one DS game with them right? it's the same concept...pick one or the other before u leave the house i can imagine how hard life would be for u guys if nintendo never put the GBA slot in the first two DS' in the first place....oh the tragedy of having to choose...oh the horror of it all....damn u nintendo, damn u to hell LMAO i mean damn...i have to choose either the PSP or DS sometimes...oh how life would be so much easier if they were made together, then we'd never have to choose again ^^yea rightfiercedeity901

Um, wrong? I carry 3-4 DS games on me when I go out normally.

Let's face it: they took out the GBA slot because they wanted to. They wanted to so we'd eventually, for convenience's sake, re-purchase all of our GBA games at the Nintendo store. THAT'S what annoyed me at the removal of the GBA slot. Not that I'd have to carry around one more system (although, btw, I also have a PSP and I carry both around often- I don't have room for an SP), but the whole concept that we have to buy their games ~again~. It's ridiculous.

And by the way, that's not the only reason many people don't want a DSi. Does crap battery life + low-quality "multimedia" features + two bad cameras mean anything to you?

There's more than just GH that suffers from no GBA slot. Probably the next biggest is the fact that you can't transfer Pokemon from a GBA game to a DS game with the DSi, but there are tons of others. You can't use the Rumble Pak, MP3 Player (Europe), Play-Yan (Japan), TV Tuner, and others because there is no GBA slot for them to go in. Not everyone uses these, but there are people that do, and I'm almost positive Nintendo will be making games that work with the camera on the DSi that are DSi exclusive. This means they're splitting their audience. If you want to play the camera games, you have to get a DSi, which means no Guitar Hero (and others.) If you want GH (et al), then no camera. If you really want both, you're shelling out $200 for a second DS. ptfreak

I think, they should have just left the GBA slot out of the DS altogether and made these features available on the DS games from the beginning.

I think it's okay to let the GBA slot go to rest. Imagine what kind of bulky and weird gaming systems we would of had if, for example, every nintendo console was backwards compatible all the way to the NES. Everyday new products start to sacrifice some sort of backwards compatibility and this is no different. It's been long enough and I feel for you guys who are still religious about the GBA but I think it's been given enough time.

I think it's okay to let the GBA slot go to rest. Imagine what kind of bulky and weird gaming systems we would of had if, for example, every nintendo console was backwards compatible all the way to the NES. Everyday new products start to sacrifice some sort of backwards compatibility and this is no different. It's been long enough and I feel for you guys who are still religious about the GBA but I think it's been given enough time.

mhder

[QUOTE="BuryMe"]No, I don't have a GBA. And even though I can get one, I'd prefer not to carry 2 systems arouns with me.fiercedeity901

[QUOTE="clicketyclick"]

Though I must admit, it does fit their recent business model to take out the GBA slot in order to force customers to buy GBA games again. After all, they are only now coming out with WiiMotion+, which is going to do what the wiimote was supposed to do back in 2006, yet they're making us buy it now. And not only that, but they're packaging this device (that core gamers and core devs most particularly were lamenting the lack of) with a very casual game. It seems like you must purchase this casual game in order to get the WiiMotion+ to play with your core games. And then there's the Nintendo Points system that doesn't allow you to purchase the quantity of points you need to buy the game or DLC in question, instead forcing you to pay more upfront than the service you're receiving. You can't just purchase 500 points; you've got to buy 1000. And now of course we have GC games with tacked-on wii controls being released as Wii games for a higher price.

So that's why it unfortunately to me doesn't sound that implausible that they'd make customers buy their GBA games again. They're developing a habit of ripping off their customers.

SlorgieNel

Yup, that's exactly my point. It's Ninty. They are not above making something less impressive so that you're later forced to upgrade. Take the DS vs DS Lite. Did it really have to have lower brightness? It's not like that technology just popped up and they decided to upgrade- the PSP was released a month later in Japan with amazing screen brightness. It's something that could have been resolved before release and it would have saved us money. But it's Ninty.

They're not at all above making us buy the same games twice. Sure, there are some pros- perhaps it will be cheaper or more reliable than a cartridge. But in the end, we're still buying the same game twice.

And yes, I could be wrong, they may not release GBA games through the Nintendo store. But why wouldn't they? I'm sure they would sell very well, especially to those who just started gaming and can't find old-school games. And if they don't do that then I'll happily eat my words, but for now, I can't help but assume this is more milkage.

[QUOTE="fiercedeity901"]battery life means nothing to me....i usually just play my games at home anyway and the charger is like right there...plus i'm use to my PSP having crap battery life, so what's the big deal? low quality features? and u know this......how? and a 3.0 MP camera is NOT bad...anyone who says that 3.0 MP is bad is a complete moron yes the one inside is 0.3...but that's not gonna be the main camera, the one outside is going to be...so again, i don't see what ur point is and people are buying old games on the VC...is that ridiculous? wouldn't it be MORE convenient to have every GBA and GB/C game on one DS? and...why in the hell do u carry that many DS games with u? how often r u away from home? what if u lose all that stuff? then ur pretty much ****ed, lolBuryMe

I completely agree with you, BuryMe. The single reason why I bring my DS out with me more than my PSP is BECAUSE it has better battery life. I don't like to bring my PSP out for a 4 hour trip when it will last maybe 3 hours. But Ninty has crippled one of their best selling points, the battery life, for cheap novelties.

fiercedeity, you think 3.0 MP is GOOD? Have you never owned a digital camera? Mine is somewhere above 7MP and it's not even the best on the market. 3.0 is a gimmick and is no better than a cell phone camera. And the 0.3 one is just laughable.

And I carry them because I can. I put them in a little case and stick it in my DS case and take them places. Believe it or not, I have a life that's outside of my home. And also, I'm not 5, and I know how to keep track of my stuff.

lol who said it had to be the best on the market...

lol who said it had to be the best on the market...
kingjazziephiz

You're going to have to be more specific- the camera? the system? You only quoted my whole post -_-

well look at it this way guys what if the DS 2 had came out and didn't have a GBA slot...would u be mad? the GBA slot was not gonna be there forever u know....that's like having a slot for NES games on the SNES, N64, GC and so on...it's ridiculous eventually all of our GBA games will be a thing of the past just like NES, SNES, and N64 games and eventually they would just stop being made all together and then the GBA would then be known as a legacy system that's what nintendo prolly just wanted to do here, they just wanted stop spoiling us and make us face the cold hard fact that hey...the DS 2 isn't gonna have a GBA slot...so get used to it nintendo is just moving forward in technology and generations i'm not saying u HAVE to get the DSi, but just know that the future nintendo handhelds prolly won't have a GBA slot....so go ahead and keep ur DS phat or lite, no one is telling u to sell it...it'll be a great collectors item down the road, but for now keep it as ur main stay DS...idc overall i'm just saying that really them taking out the GBA slot NOW really isn't that big of a problem, i'm already used to and i'm sure u guys will get used to it as well backwards compatibility is a gift...a great gift...but a gift none the less...it's not a necessity...so don't be surprised when a future console or handheld isn't BC anymore, but always know that there is someway to keep playing ur classic gamesfiercedeity901

I recently went back to play GBA games that I missed like the first golden sun. While I'm not sold on the DSi, the GBA slot is very helpful.

I have one,gave it when I got the DS,then later has the Game boy micro.

Im not crying about the no GBA slot expect that means no Guitar Hero.

It has a DSi shop channel,so there is no reason to cry about it.

[QUOTE="BuryMe"]No, I don't have a GBA. And even though I can get one, I'd prefer not to carry 2 systems arouns with me.fiercedeity901

Sarcasm alert!!! xD

i don't feel even the slightest urge to buy this gimmick "console". it's a load of crap. it actually angers me that nintendo could come up with such a pathetic upgrade to such a great handheld. wow, how fantastic, 2 mediocre cameras and a bigger screen. they even left out the GBA slot, this is great! trenno2529

They've replaced with a Micro SD card, correct?

Micro SD is better than a GBA Slot.

If you really want to play GBA games, put them on the Micro SD card, it also removes the need for multiple cartridges AND buying an R4 Revolution card as well. In my opinion, it's a better slot. But come on, those who are 'whining' about the lack of GBA slot, are merely voicing their opinions, and you cannot go around telling them to stop.

So don't.

[QUOTE="trenno2529"]i don't feel even the slightest urge to buy this gimmick "console". it's a load of crap. it actually angers me that nintendo could come up with such a pathetic upgrade to such a great handheld. wow, how fantastic, 2 mediocre cameras and a bigger screen. they even left out the GBA slot, this is great! fiercedeity901

okay, multiple- so many things wrong with that post.

1. A gimmicky MP3 player, two bad cameras and an SD slot that so far only serves as space for useless Ninty mini-games that you have to purcahse from them does not compete with the multimedia features of a PSP. What competed with the PSP was battery life, backwards compatibility and the game library- and now two of those are gone.

2. YES IT IS. It's essentially a cell phone camera in a system too bulky to be as useful as a cell phone camera. I don't understand why you think 3.0 MP is good.

3. He didn't say it was a downside, he was listing the new features. And I hardly consider a screen upgrade of that magnitude a selling point, btw.

I own a GBC, GBA SP and an original DS. Its troublesome enough for me to have to swap between my DS and SP and keeping them both charged. (I use my SP mostly for GBC games, my GBC is only used so i can throw batteries in them quickly)

What they should of done is made a slot for both GBC and GBA games, that would be awesome.

But nowadays, instead of conveniance its about how many fancy gadgets you can slap on a device.

Also, what about those who want to upgrade thier DS and sold thier GBA because of the slot on the DS? At the end of the day its just marketing to grab new customers with flashy features, typical greed as with most things.. nobody cares about thier current consumers.

[QUOTE="fiercedeity901"][QUOTE="trenno2529"]i don't feel even the slightest urge to buy this gimmick "console". it's a load of crap. it actually angers me that nintendo could come up with such a pathetic upgrade to such a great handheld. wow, how fantastic, 2 mediocre cameras and a bigger screen. they even left out the GBA slot, this is great! SlorgieNel

okay, multiple- so many things wrong with that post.

1. A gimmicky MP3 player, two bad cameras and an SD slot that so far only serves as space for useless Ninty mini-games that you have to purcahse from them does not compete with the multimedia features of a PSP. What competed with the PSP was battery life, backwards compatibility and the game library- and now two of those are gone.

2. YES IT IS. It's essentially a cell phone camera in a system too bulky to be as useful as a cell phone camera. I don't understand why you think 3.0 MP is good.

3. He didn't say it was a downside, he was listing the new features. And I hardly consider a screen upgrade of that magnitude a selling point, btw.