It's OVER - Miyamoto not making hardcore games anymore, the quote is here!

http://uk.wii.ign.com/articles/991/991714p2.html

IGN: We have to ask about Pikmin 3, of course. What happened to it at this year's show? Also, if we've got it right, Pikmin was the last original IP you came up with specifically for traditional gamers. Any idea when we can expect a new so-called hardcore property from you?

Shigeru Miyamoto: In regards to the IP question, I really don't consider Pikmin to be the last original IP. I look at the Miis, the Wii Sports, Nintendogs -- these are all original IPs from me. Even the island in Wii Sports Resort, I'm considering that an IP -- that island itself.

IGN: We're thinking more along the lines of a strictly hardcore title versus those you mentioned, which fall into the casual category, too.

Shigeru Miyamoto: No, I'm all dried up [laughs]. But luckily, there are lots of young and creative people at Nintendo, so I think they're really going to be driving a lot of that new original IP and yeah, we do have a lot of really great stuff that we're thinking about.

That's it, as far as Nintendo hardcore new IPs are concerned, none will ever be 100% Miyamoto. Shiggy, you have shined in the 80's and 90's, and we are deeply grateful! Look after the new folks at Nintendo so they may become the next Miyamoto's and amaze the new audiences with your new games just like you amazed me back in the day!

"no im dried up" means he has no ideas left. it doesnt mean I ONLY MAKE GAMES FOR CASUALS!!!1

he was joking obviously

comon leave the man some breathing space.He might get his inspiration later, hes not dead you know?intro94

He won't. He's always been more interested in the new gamers joining in. To him, making Nintendogs and Wii Sports for the new audience is just like how making Zelda and Mario for us in the 80's was. He even said Wii Music is the game he most enjoyed making, and he felt more passionated about it than when he created Super Mario Bros.

Well, even if he's joking in this instance, it has to happen eventually - Miyamoto is still physically a mortal man. :P

Notice the [laughs] in it

the wonderfull people of OT can help me out here actually

How much wishful thinking... It's been obvious he ain't interested in creating something hardcore for years. This is just the confirmation, and I'm glad he finally said it to kill the remaining hope. He's obviously not done for, he's at full steam making Wii Sports, Wii Fit and the likes with untouched passion. But he has no reason to come back to hardcore, he's done with it, there's no real challenge for him there.

And of course he would laugh, that guy laughs at everything, it's not like it's a sad thing.

I'll just preempt Jaysonguy and point out how Miyamoto skipped over the part about IPs for traditional gamers.... IGN pushed the separation between gamers and casuals, and Miyamoto just ignored the terminology. He makes games for everyone, always has. He's never been an elitist who wants only a specific group of people to enjoy his games.

And I think it's pretty ridiculous to consider Pikmin a game for hardcore gamers.... Remember the criticism it got from veterans when it was first announced? ... It's too cutesy, it's about GARDENING?! so what do you even do in this "game"?? Miyamoto has finally lost it! ... But it turned out to be an incredibly simple and addicting game that pretty much anyone can enjoy.

And I think it's pretty ridiculous to consider Pikmin a game for hardcore gamers.... Remember the criticism it got from veterans when it was first announced? ... It's too cutesy, it's about GARDENING?! so what do you even do in this "game"?? Miyamoto has finally lost it! ... But it turned out to be an incredibly simple and addicting game that pretty much anyone can enjoy.

JordanElek

Proving once and for all that you do not doubt the Miyamoto. :P

I expected this for a long time. Am I suprised or grief striken at this news? No. Miyamoto is amazing and will continue to make games I like even if they are in the casual territory.

Is Nintendo done with the hardcore? No. My proof, this E3 conference showed a lot fo good stuff.

I expected this for a long time. Am I suprised or grief striken at this news? No. Miyamoto is amazing and will continue to make games I like even if they are in the casual territory.

kardine

In a way I think that this statement could be construed more as an acknowledgement of what was already the case than some sort of actual announcement. It's kind of like when Bill Gates finally left Microsoft - he had already been winding down for years, so anyone to whom it came as a surprise must not have been paying attention.

Then again, Miyamoto could perhaps also just be expressing contempt and annoyance at the continued wedge people attempt to put between "casual" and "hardcore". I'm with him on that.

Oh well. Miyamoto is getting old. Makes me wonder when his retirement will be.nintendoboy16

Well, even if he's joking in this instance, it has to happen eventually - Miyamoto is still physically a mortal man. :P

GabuEx

Well, at this point, it seems any addicted Nintendo fanboy can come up with tons more of ideas than what Miyamoto has shown us. We still need to see what the man has left behind the curtains.

[QUOTE="kardine"]

I expected this for a long time. Am I suprised or grief striken at this news? No. Miyamoto is amazing and will continue to make games I like even if they are in the casual territory.

GabuEx

In a way I think that this statement could be construed more as an acknowledgement of what was already the case than some sort of actual announcement. It's kind of like when Bill Gates finally left Microsoft - he had already been winding down for years, so anyone to whom it came as a surprise must not have been paying attention.

Then again, Miyamoto could perhaps also just be expressing contempt and annoyance at the continued wedge people attempt to put between "casual" and "hardcore". I'm with him on that.

[QUOTE="nintendoboy16"]Oh well. Miyamoto is getting old. Makes me wonder when his retirement will be.Wintry_Flutist

I know I'll be the only one to say this but.......

THANK THE LORD!!!!!!!!

I'm thankful for the things he's done for the industry, I mean the man pretty much saved the home console market(from a certain point of view), and he's done many other things. He's given us some of the best games of all time....

But, as of lately...I find myself losing respect for the man. Eventually, everyone loses their "touch", or in Miyamoto's case...he's changing his views on gaming, and his "touch" is evolving. This is great, and I have no problems with the market opening up due to his ideas. But I think Nintendo needs to broaden it's outreach even more so now. They have a great start with the casual market thanks to Shigs, but like he said...let the new kids start showing us what they can do! There's other creative people out there, and I know damn well that Nintendo hired some of them. Shigs is the man in charge, but it takes a whole wonderful group of creative minds to create what Nintendo gives us. Let them give us some ideas...

I respect this comment from him, I really do. Everyone should love the man, but I just don't agree with what he's been up to lately. There's nothing wrong with innovation, but I think he's been taking it a little too far

Naturally, he's been squeezed dry for the past 20 odd years. I'm sure that in time once the old guard is gone a new fresh face will appear and history will repeat itself, as is the cycle.

I know I'll be the only one to say this but.......

THANK THE LORD!!!!!!!!

I'm thankful for the things he's done for the industry, I mean the man pretty much saved the home console market(from a certain point of view), and he's done many other things. He's given us some of the best games of all time....

But, as of lately...I find myself losing respect for the man. Eventually, everyone loses their "touch", or in Miyamoto's case...he's changing his views on gaming, and his "touch" is evolving. This is great, and I have no problems with the market opening up due to his ideas. But I think Nintendo needs to broaden it's outreach even more so now. They have a great start with the casual market thanks to Shigs, but like he said...let the new kids start showing us what they can do! There's other creative people out there, and I know damn well that Nintendo hired some of them. Shigs is the man in charge, but it takes a whole wonderful group of creative minds to create what Nintendo gives us. Let them give us some ideas...

I respect this comment from him, I really do. Everyone should love the man, but I just don't agree with what he's been up to lately. There's nothing wrong with innovation, but I think he's been taking it a little too far

danger_ranger95

They seem to being doing that though. They needed more RPGs badly look at Monado made by Monolith. They needed more shooters and look at Dead Space: Extraction, RE: Darkside Chronicles, and The Conduit. They are starting to work more with young creative minds. Team Ninja, whatever the hell Retro is doing. Nintendo is finally getting of the isolated island concept.

[QUOTE="Wintry_Flutist"][QUOTE="nintendoboy16"]Oh well. Miyamoto is getting old. Makes me wonder when his retirement will be.Sepewrath

While "casual" and "hardcore" may not be enough words to define game, we all know what IGN and Miyamoto meant in that interview, there's not going around it trying to find holes in terminology. Miyamoto ain't coming up with a new big, rich and deep universe like he once did with Mario, Zelda and Star Fox, as many people still hope.

[QUOTE="Sepewrath"][QUOTE="Wintry_Flutist"] He once said to Nintendo World (brazilian magazine) he doesn't want to be remembered as the father of Mario, but the guy who made games til the end. He ain't retiring until he can't physically do his work anymore, and given that his work doesn't really require physical strength... It's not a matter of getting old, he now finds challenge in creating games that expand the gaming audience, he has done too much hardcore stuff already and this ain't thrilling anymore.Wintry_Flutist

While "casual" and "hardcore" may not be enough words to define game, we all know what IGN and Miyamoto meant in that interview, there's not going around it trying to find holes in terminology. Miyamoto ain't coming up with a new big, rich and deep universe like he once did with Mario, Zelda and Star Fox, as many people still hope.

Even if it is the end, which is very doubtful, you still must give credit to the guy, pretty much everything hes touched turned to gold.

c'mon man, that was a joke. it's not like he's retiring. he said in an interview recently that he wants to keep making games until he's physically incapable of doing so.

he'll go away, get some more hobbies, making toy planes or whatever, and then BAM. new IP. lol.

[QUOTE="Wintry_Flutist"][QUOTE="nintendoboy16"]Oh well. Miyamoto is getting old. Makes me wonder when his retirement will be.Sepewrath

i agree 100% the only thing thats hardcore or casual is the gamers them self

I don't think it's a joke, more of he doesn't want to work on normal games at this point in his career.

Look at his last works (this gen)

Wii (system)

Wii Sports (including the island, Mii, Resort,etc.)

Wii Music

Wii Fit

Nintendogs

and Mario Galaxy

etc.

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one game out of all those, most people would consider core. Like someone else mentioned above, I wouldn't be surprised if he was getting bored... and all these unique games appeared as of late. Creative people need to keep busy, and repetition doesn't help. Think of it like having ADD

He is a mortal, it was bound to happen eventually. I commend him for ALL that he has done for the industry, it is quite remarkable one man could have such genius ideas.SMR-Venom

[QUOTE="alphamale1989"]Topic title is misleading... mabey he won't be making new hardcore IPs anytime soon but he is involved in making many hardcore games. He even said something about e-mailing he coworkers during the conference. Wintry_Flutist

to me, even though i'd like him to do more games like zelda, he's acomplished 'enough' for me and the games industry as a whole. whatever he creates next is like a bonus. he practically invented the platform game, created the first proper story in a game and helped set the template for the modern action adventure game.

i think you're right about him seeing wii sports and nintendogs as games on par with zelda, so with that...i look elsewhere to people like fumito ueda who is changing the more traditional adventure game and bringing lots of new ideas. the last guardian is something nintendo could make with all their expertise, but they just decide not to.. so, someone else makes it. it doesn't matter really.

it's funny (and sad) seeing people here saying they want a new kirby game or a new star fox or something like a new zelda but not with zelda characters. it's funny because kirby is essentially just a basic platformer (people just have a lot of nostalgia for the games), so you can get that platforming fix with basically any mario game anyway. star fox, it's a pretty basic shooter - there are better shooters out there. why do people want another one with a bit of remote waving?

the original creator of star fox even went so far as to say he didn't want another one. and as for zelda, what would be the point of just removing link and putting in some other kind of character?

and it's sad because i know i have ideas in my head of how i might play around with some of the ideas for those games, but i've come to realize that, aside from one or two series', nintendo aren't very adventurous with their adventure games and they're too strict to play around with them. they seem to restrict themselves in their design principles. they like to say they're all about 'difference' but they only do things in a narrow, particular way. i would say that 'the nintendo difference' is more to do with them creating their own seperate identity than creating a large platform for all types of experimentation. they just care about 'fun'.

i look to yoshio sakamoto more than miyamoto anyway. he set up the team ninja metroid, created rhythm heaven with by actually working with a popular musician in japan, and his team creates the wario ware games. i buy more of his teams' games than miyamotos'.

He's still making Zelda, Mario, etc. . He even was producer in Punch Out Wii, wtf are you talking about ? There's just no NEW hardcore IPs coming from him anytime soon.

Well, he's getting old. We happen to have Sakurai, Retro, and a whole new generation of gamers that want to aspire their dreams of making games for Nintendo around the world! Miyamoto is not a god, he is human. You have to wonder though, about the day Miyamoto leaves this world....

I wounder sometimes.....

Doesn't matter. I will always love Nintendo no matter what.

c'mon man, that was a joke. it's not like he's retiring. he said in an interview recently that he wants to keep making games until he's physically incapable of doing so.

he'll go away, get some more hobbies, making toy planes or whatever, and then BAM. new IP. lol.

just_nonplussed

No, there won't be a BAM. A new IPs are aways coming from, but there won't be anymore hardcore stuff from him.

He's still making Zelda, Mario, etc. . He even was producer in Punch Out Wii, wtf are you talking about ? There's just no NEW hardcore IPs coming from him anytime soon.

MangaPicture

He is supervising Zelda and Mario. Aonuma and Koizumi are in charge of those series. And as for "There's just no NEW hardcore IPs coming from him anytime soon", isn't it exactly what's on the thread title?

That seemed like sarcasm to me.

Well, even if he's joking in this instance, it has to happen eventually - Miyamoto is still physically a mortal man. :P

GabuEx

How much wishful thinking... It's been obvious he ain't interested in creating something hardcore for years. This is just the confirmation, and I'm glad he finally said it to kill the remaining hope. He's obviously not done for, he's at full steam making Wii Sports, Wii Fit and the likes with untouched passion. But he has no reason to come back to hardcore, he's done with it, there's no real challenge for him there.

And of course he would laugh, that guy laughs at everything, it's not like it's a sad thing.

Wintry_Flutist

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How much wishful thinking... It's been obvious he ain't interested in creating something hardcore for years. This is just the confirmation, and I'm glad he finally said it to kill the remaining hope. He's obviously not done for, he's at full steam making Wii Sports, Wii Fit and the likes with untouched passion. But he has no reason to come back to hardcore, he's done with it, there's no real challenge for him there.

And of course he would laugh, that guy laughs at everything, it's not like it's a sad thing.

Dycras

That seemed like sarcasm to me.

nintendoman562

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b7--cBpWnJs

Sorry it had to be posted. Anyway i also dont think Miyamoto is going to come up with any new hardcore oriented franchises.

"no im dried up" means he has no ideas left. it doesnt mean I ONLY MAKE GAMES FOR CASUALS!!!1

he was joking obviously

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[QUOTE="Wintry_Flutist"]

How much wishful thinking... It's been obvious he ain't interested in creating something hardcore for years. This is just the confirmation, and I'm glad he finally said it to kill the remaining hope. He's obviously not done for, he's at full steam making Wii Sports, Wii Fit and the likes with untouched passion. But he has no reason to come back to hardcore, he's done with it, there's no real challenge for him there.

And of course he would laugh, that guy laughs at everything, it's not like it's a sad thing.

Wintry_Flutist

[QUOTE="Wintry_Flutist"] But he isn't interested in coming up with a brand new hardcore-oriented universe. Don't mix up these different things.clicketyclick