Joystiq: MP3 still does not match the visual quality of last generation's.

"Although we understand that graphics aren't the most important aspect to many gamers, it's still disappointing to see Metroid Prime look the way it does. While there are new lighting effects in place, it's easy to say that Corruption still does not match the visual quality of last generation's best games. Character models are especially disappointing, missing the bump mapping found in games such as Halo 2 or Mario Sunshine. A quick glance at the game will bring warranted comparisons to the Gamecube original, and we're saddened to see Retro Studios fail to push the Wii graphically."

http://www.joystiq.com/2007/07/16/joystiq-impressions-metroid-prime-3-wii/

Wow, are they blind?

Joystiq are too critical on what they want in a game. Everyone else loved the visual style, and it looks better than MP2.

I didnt know Mario Sunshine had bump mapping on Marios face.................

Also the topic makes it seem as if they are criticising MP3 for not looking like average games of last generation. Obviously its not shader heavy like Doom 3.

Well I think that it would be cool if MP3 had like some normal/bump mapping like in the environments but I think ultimately, how many times do you really look at Samus' whole body? except in the title screen and a few cutscenes.

Joystiq sucks with "hands on" type things. And Im not just saying this cause of the biased comment, but they're always getting flamed for their impressions/reviews. First and last of all, Metroid Prime 3 looks better than any last gen game out there, including Halo 2.

I didnt know Mario Sunshine had bump mapping on Marios face.................

Also the topic makes it seem as if they are criticising MP3 for not looking like average games of last generation. Obviously its not shader heavy like Doom 3.

0v3rcl0ck3d

on his face?.. where does it say that?

anyway... yeah... i'm still bummed out i can't play galaxy or metroid 3 in the quality of 360 or PS3 graphics. i would really like that. those games are so great, they deserve the best.

When I first read it earlier it was obvious it was a stab at Curruption.. Maybe a Metoid wronged him in some way as a child...

looks awesome to me

So people are comparing Metroid to Halo?

IMO, there's no competition; Halo is the better. Well, from what I can tell so far. Halo 1 was better than MP1 and Halo 2 was better than MP2.

I just find the Metroid games to be boring, and I doubt Corruption will make me change my opinion, or will be better than Halo 3. But hey, you never know, only time will tell :)

So people are comparing Metroid to Halo?

IMO, there's no competition; Halo is the better. Well, from what I can tell so far. Halo 1 was better than MP1 and Halo 2 was better than MP2.

I just find the Metroid games to be boring, and I doubt Corruption will make me change my opinion, or will be better than Halo 3. But hey, you never know, only time will tell :)

El_Jarvo

Haha! You wish! The MP games are hands down light years ahead of the run and gun Halo in everyway. Halo sucks ass and you know it.

[QUOTE="El_Jarvo"]

So people are comparing Metroid to Halo?

IMO, there's no competition; Halo is the better. Well, from what I can tell so far. Halo 1 was better than MP1 and Halo 2 was better than MP2.

I just find the Metroid games to be boring, and I doubt Corruption will make me change my opinion, or will be better than Halo 3. But hey, you never know, only time will tell :)

NiteX

Haha! You wish! The MP games are hands down light years ahead of the run and gun Halo in everyway. Halo sucks ass and you know it.

Well, no. If I knew Halo sucked ass then I wouldn't have said I thought it was better than the MP series :S

And it's just In My Opinion anyway, it all comes down to personal preference. Me, if I have a first person shooter I'd rather have it as an all-out action shooter rather than an "explore and scan everything" kinda game. I've tried to like the MP series, but just can't.

And you may be right, the next MP may in fact be "light years ahead" of Halo 3, but even if it is, I'll still most likely prefer Halo 3.

So people are comparing Metroid to Halo?

IMO, there's no competition; Halo is the better. Well, from what I can tell so far. Halo 1 was better than MP1 and Halo 2 was better than MP2.

I just find the Metroid games to be boring, and I doubt Corruption will make me change my opinion, or will be better than Halo 3. But hey, you never know, only time will tell :)

El_Jarvo

What exactly are you doing here?

wtf is bump mapping.grafkhun

It's a bit of computer graphic trickery that affects how the shadows on an object are calculated, making the surfaces look more realistic.

Normally the designer first draws out the shape of the 3D model as a series of polygons joined together, then designs a set of textures, that are applied to each polygon, that will be shaded a bit to increase the 3D effect. A bump map is like an additional, invisible, layer of texture that just instructs the GPU how light affects the texture.

Imagine a model of a brick wall for example. You could construct that as just a single rectangular polygon. You'd then create a texture that's just like a photo of a brick wall (i.e. totally 2D) and paste that onto your model. It might look a bit 3D cos you can walk around the wall but it wouldn't be very convincing. You then create a bump map of the wall, you can use the 2D photo, switch it to monochrome, making the gaps between the bricks dark, and the surfaces of the bricks light. Then when the model is rendered the wall looks more 3D because the shadows form where the gaps are, the GPU will also render the shadows correctly so when the light source moves the shadows in the gaps move accordingly.

[QUOTE="NiteX"][QUOTE="El_Jarvo"]

So people are comparing Metroid to Halo?

IMO, there's no competition; Halo is the better. Well, from what I can tell so far. Halo 1 was better than MP1 and Halo 2 was better than MP2.

I just find the Metroid games to be boring, and I doubt Corruption will make me change my opinion, or will be better than Halo 3. But hey, you never know, only time will tell :)

El_Jarvo

Haha! You wish! The MP games are hands down light years ahead of the run and gun Halo in everyway. Halo sucks ass and you know it.

Well, no. If I knew Halo sucked ass then I wouldn't have said I thought it was better than the MP series :S

And it's just In My Opinion anyway, it all comes down to personal preference. Me, if I have a first person shooter I'd rather have it as an all-out action shooter rather than an "explore and scan everything" kinda game. I've tried to like the MP series, but just can't.

And you may be right, the next MP may in fact be "light years ahead" of Halo 3, but even if it is, I'll still most likely prefer Halo 3.

you do know that metriod is a First person adventure game. and halo is a first person shooter. personally i think halo is a first person piece of crap. it is muddy, slow has really boggy assist aim controls. halo is better than pretty much nothing. play a good fps you owe it to yourself.

[QUOTE="grafkhun"]wtf is bump mapping.Wiicraft

It's a bit of computer graphic trickery that affects how the shadows on an object are calculated, making the surfaces look more realistic.

Normally the designer first draws out the shape of the 3D model as a series of polygons joined together, then designs a set of textures, that are applied to each polygon, that will be shaded a bit to increase the 3D effect. A bump map is like an additional, invisible, layer of texture that just instructs the GPU how light affects the texture.

Imagine a model of a brick wall for example. You could construct that as just a single rectangular polygon. You'd then create a texture that's just like a photo of a brick wall (i.e. totally 2D) and paste that onto your model. It might look a bit 3D cos you can walk around the wall but it wouldn't be very convincing. You then create a bump map of the wall, you can use the 2D photo, switch it to monochrome, making the gaps between the bricks dark, and the surfaces of the bricks light. Then when the model is rendered the wall looks more 3D because the shadows form where the gaps are, the GPU will also render the shadows correctly so when the light source moves the shadows in the gaps move accordingly.

Geez, you sure know your stuff >.>

on his face?.. where does it say that?

anyway... yeah... i'm still bummed out i can't play galaxy or metroid 3 in the quality of 360 or PS3 graphics. i would really like that. those games are so great, they deserve the best.

furtherfan

Cut the Halo talk: this is a Wii forum.

And the article isn't saying the game has bad graphics, just that they're not really any better than what we saw last generation. Which is entirely true, and entirely expected at this point.

Cut the Halo talk: this is a Wii forum.

And the article isn't saying the game has bad graphics, just that they're not really any better than what we saw last generation. Which is entirely true, and entirely expected at this point.

Spelunker

[QUOTE="grafkhun"]wtf is bump mapping.Wiicraft

It's a bit of computer graphic trickery that affects how the shadows on an object are calculated, making the surfaces look more realistic.

Normally the designer first draws out the shape of the 3D model as a series of polygons joined together, then designs a set of textures, that are applied to each polygon, that will be shaded a bit to increase the 3D effect. A bump map is like an additional, invisible, layer of texture that just instructs the GPU how light affects the texture.

Imagine a model of a brick wall for example. You could construct that as just a single rectangular polygon. You'd then create a texture that's just like a photo of a brick wall (i.e. totally 2D) and paste that onto your model. It might look a bit 3D cos you can walk around the wall but it wouldn't be very convincing. You then create a bump map of the wall, you can use the 2D photo, switch it to monochrome, making the gaps between the bricks dark, and the surfaces of the bricks light. Then when the model is rendered the wall looks more 3D because the shadows form where the gaps are, the GPU will also render the shadows correctly so when the light source moves the shadows in the gaps move accordingly.

Thanks for the info, I was wondering what bump mapping was

Hahahaha. Do NOT even go to Joystiq. They're dumb. They complained a whole paragraph about how you READ signs in Zelda. These guys are idiots!

Plus, I dunno about you guys, but I hate over-use of bump mapping present in games today. Like instead of taking the time to make beautiful textures, they just throw a coat of wax on it and BAM everyone's all over that like flies on dung.

Cut the Halo talk: this is a Wii forum.

And the article isn't saying the game has bad graphics, just that they're not really any better than what we saw last generation. Which is entirely true, and entirely expected at this point.

Spelunker

"Entirely" . That is subjective.(and you know it is and yet you state it like a fact.)

Part one and two looked as good as anything last gen, at least to me. And this looks better than them to me.I think reason(like the game is not releasedyet, and the opioniion of one review is not the final verdict on the matter)dicates that the term "entirely" really as no place in this arguement especially comming from a mod.

Cut the Halo talk: this is a Wii forum.

And the article isn't saying the game has bad graphics, just that they're not really any better than what we saw last generation. Which is entirely true, and entirely expected at this point.

Spelunker

I entirely disagree with you. As a matter of fact, I think we can definitely see from the screenshots that MP3 has improved graphics over the GC versions. Last gen?? I don't see the GC being able to run MP3. Time to go to the eye doctor I think.

Seriously, I trust my own eyes,IGN, Gamepro, and even Gamespots opinion on the graphics and they are better then previous gen despite the absence of bump-mapping. Everything else about it superior in terms of lighting, texture detail, particle effects and there's a clear difference to the previous Metroid Primes.

As far as spelunker opinionwhydoes he botherstill modding here, I know people like you call yourself realist and people like me fanboys. Yet reallygiven your negativity to the Wii why do bother coming here at all. Why don't you go mod the general discussion, 360, PS3 forums. Do we need a mod that always praising the Wii, no, but we don't need one that's always agreeing on everything negative about it.

As for Joystiq ignore it, its a lousy blog with unprofessionalfanboy rants rather than informative game news or previews. Among game websites Joystiq is clearly bottom off the barrel, even Sprong is more respectable then them.

For me, graphics is still important than gameplay. LIke MP3 looks the same as the old MP, no improvements .

I still don't see how they are the same the prevoiusGC Prime. Like I said shadders aren't the only way to improve the graphics. This game has clearly better lighting, bloom, particle effects, higher texture detail, better draw distance, bigger areas running at 60 fps in 480p and 16x9. Take away the shadders and Halo 2, Doom 3 and Chronicles of Riddick clearly look worse, even with the bump-mapping they barley looks as good as MP3.