Less VC,more Wiiware coming

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#1 MonsieurX
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According to an anwser someone got about it:

I recently asked Nintendo of America support about their lack of updates on Channels and VC, and this is what I got:

"Dear Jorge,
We understand your concern about the lack of service on the VC as of late. Due to sales numbers being far greater recently on Wiiware than on Virtual Console, we have decided to steer in the direction of WiiWare.
Also, we in America have NO plans to update the Internet Channel or the Nintendo Channel. We hope you understand"
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Wow.

Gamebag

So,how do you feel about it?

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#2 SirSpudly
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I got Ogre Battle so the service wasn't a total loss...

But when you consider how much Japan puts out weekly and how completely different this statement is from EVERYTHING ELSE REGGIE HAS EVER SAID ABOUT HOW VIRTUAL CONSOLE GAMES ARE RELEASED, the perspective becomes quite clear.

Nintendo of Japan, please destroy NOA.

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#3 nintendoboy16
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Virtual Console is more needed, Nintendo.
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#4 MonsieurX
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If they actually had good games coming on the VC,they might sell better than games that no one ever heard of
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#6 chris3116
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Basically, it's buy more VC games. Many VC awesome games are there but people still complain because they are not awesome and they are not Nintendo games.

If they actually had good games coming on the VC,they might sell better than games that no one ever heard ofMonsieurX

That's what make researches is important in that case. Like I said many VC awesome games are there. I made my duties and I didn't regret my VC choices.

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#7 _BlueDuck_
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As long as we get Yoshi's Island, Lufia, Harvest Moon 64, Ogre Battle 64, and if we're lucky, Earthboundbefore they stop updating it, I will be content.

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#8 Sepewrath
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Well if you give me a choice between great new games or great old games, I would choose Wii Ware. Whats the point of pushing old games over new ones, if you really want to play old games, there are lots of ways to do it, but there is only one Wii Ware.
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#9 Madmangamer364
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Virtual Console is more needed, Nintendo.nintendoboy16

No, it isn't. The Virtual Console was a way of getting less experienced gamers or those who haven't played video games in years a way of getting comfortable with gaming. With the library the service has established, it's more than capable of doing that now, so there isn't as much of a need to push it each and every week. What we have with the VC now is just people complaining each and every week about specific titles. WiiWare, on the other hand, is not only vital to Nintendo and the Wii, but to developers who are looking to create original titles without the drama and risk of retail. Since WiiWare games actually use the Wii's hardware, the potential of those games are much greater than games released at least 10 years go. I agree that it will be a bit of a bummer to not at least see one VC game a week, but I like this direction... a lot.

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#10 MonsieurX
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[QUOTE="MonsieurX"]If they actually had good games coming on the VC,they might sell better than games that no one ever heard ofchris3116

That's what make researches is important in that case. Like I said many VC awesome games are there. I made my duties and I didn't regret my VC choices.

Yeah, I know,but we haven't had any "ZOMG" games recenlty(besides MM)

It feels weird that there's more non-Nintendo consoles games than on the Nes\Snes\N64

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#11 Rocky32189
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This is the worst video game related news I've heard in a long time. I've already re-bought a bunch of the older systems to play the games that are impossible on the VC and the games that I didn't want to wait for. It looks like I'll just have to buy all the games I want that were never released on the VC. It makes me wish I didn't spend hundreds of dollars on the VC. Now half of my library will be on the Wii and half will be on the original systems.
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#12 WllDan7
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I like new games. Old games are good, but I like new ones. I might care a little more if I were a little older (21), but I don't care so much. The first system I had has a sega genesis and the first nintendo console I had was a N64.

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#13 raahsnavj
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Well, we knew it would happen. Why try to push the originals when you can rerelease it with minor improvements and charge more on Wiiware? It was a selling point when I got the console, unfortunately it appears I got all I'm going to get from it.
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#14 danger_ranger95
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All the games that sold well back in the day (when they first released) are going to be the ones that sell well on the VC... DUH NINTENDO!!!!!!

It doesn't surprise me that WiiWare games are selling good. People usually like prettier things nowadays, besides the games they already bought (see above)

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#15 darth-pyschosis
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Great news. Less old content more new content

i couldn't be happier

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#16 raahsnavj
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Great news. Less old content more new content

i couldn't be happier

darth-pyschosis
But isn't it depressing that even though putting up the ROM's on the VC should be trivial that they can't even make it profitable or worth continuing? I think the whole news that should be pointed out is for all the times I heard: "But they can't really release everything at once... give them time" now I can simply point out, nope, they killed it. I still think they failed at realizing they need to deliver the big sellers, not the no-name stuff... people rebuy stuff all the time to relive the experience and the VC is now untapped wasted potential. I do want to note that we did get a lot and as such I am glad I got what I got, it just didn't live up to my expectations for the long term.
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#17 FFCYAN
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This is lame. NOA is really raising the bar in idiotic moves since John McCain's presidential run.

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#18 ChildOfGaming7
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It;s not like they're stopping updates to the VC completely. I'll maybe get over this once Cave Story, NyxQuest, and...another game comes out!!!

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#19 danger_ranger95
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is Fester's Quest or Blaster Master on the VC????

they seriously need to be if not

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#21 intro94
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mm good news.More wiiware.
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#22 darth-pyschosis
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[QUOTE="darth-pyschosis"]

Great news. Less old content more new content

i couldn't be happier

raahsnavj

But isn't it depressing that even though putting up the ROM's on the VC should be trivial that they can't even make it profitable or worth continuing? I think the whole news that should be pointed out is for all the times I heard: "But they can't really release everything at once... give them time" now I can simply point out, nope, they killed it. I still think they failed at realizing they need to deliver the big sellers, not the no-name stuff... people rebuy stuff all the time to relive the experience and the VC is now untapped wasted potential. I do want to note that we did get a lot and as such I am glad I got what I got, it just didn't live up to my expectations for the long term.

but the reason they need to space everything out is they need to make new compelling software, and once they have free time yes they work on redoing these.

and they aren't ending VC, it just will be slower. its fine as is, i'm 100% ok with more effort into Wii and WiiWare releases

don't give me DK 64 give me a DK 3d wii adventure that is great

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#23 starfox15
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I am pissed off. This is a poor move from Nintendo.

Maybe the VC isn't as popular anymore because all they release nowadays is garbage. Go back to the original games that made Nintendo so wonderful in the first place. Do you know how easy it is to emulate a game and put it on the VC compared to how it is to put a completely new game on it? It makes no sense that they would just quit cold turkey like this and give us nothing but Wiiware titles.

The real reason behind this is profit margins. What makes the most money? Well, now that Wiiware has come out and started amassing a library of games, its of course going to be Wiiware. This wouldn't bother me so much if the games on Wiiware DIDN'T SUCK. How many games have come out on Wiiware that are actually worth the price they ask? I'd say the number would fit on your hand. From what I've seen and read, the games just aren't that special yet. Of course, we have games like World of Goo, etc., but its not enough. For every decent game like that you get 20 that are just awful shovelware.

Instead of producing games that don't sell on Wii disks, we've now evolved to Wiiware games that don't sell via DLC.

DO NOT CUT OFF THE VC! It was a great idea! It still is! Use your assets and spend the tiny amount of money to emulate these older fantastic titles!

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#24 awssk8er716
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They should start only making N64 games for the Virtual Console. :)

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#25 deactivated-5e90a3763ea91
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Virtual Console is more needed, Nintendo.nintendoboy16
Amen. And I honestly don't understand how Wiiware numbers are higher...honestly who is buying so much Wiiware stuff???
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#26 deactivated-5e90a3763ea91
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They should start only making N64 games for the Virtual Console. :)

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#27 pierst179
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I am actually very happy. I have played most games that are very hyped and expected to be released on the VC so I prefer some great Wii Ware titles.

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#28 bc1391
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I got Ogre Battle so the service wasn't a total loss...

But when you consider how much Japan puts out weekly and how completely different this statement is from EVERYTHING ELSE REGGIE HAS EVER SAID ABOUT HOW VIRTUAL CONSOLE GAMES ARE RELEASED, the perspective becomes quite clear.

Nintendo of Japan, please destroy NOA.

SirSpudly

How is Ogre Battle? I was going to use my 800 points if Earthbound to hit the VC but I lost hope in that.

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[QUOTE="nintendoboy16"]Virtual Console is more needed, Nintendo.Madmangamer364

No, it isn't. The Virtual Console was a way of getting less experienced gamers or those who haven't played video games in years a way of getting comfortable with gaming. With the library the service has established, it's more than capable of doing that now, so there isn't as much of a need to push it each and every week. What we have with the VC now is just people complaining each and every week about specific titles. WiiWare, on the other hand, is not only vital to Nintendo and the Wii, but to developers who are looking to create original titles without the drama and risk of retail. Since WiiWare games actually use the Wii's hardware, the potential of those games are much greater than games released at least 10 years go. I agree that it will be a bit of a bummer to not at least see one VC game a week, but I like this direction... a lot.

That is not true. There are some people who downolad Virtual Console titles who actually never played some of these games in the past. Only recently, I downloaded Star Fox 64, I never played the game all the way in the past. ut this time, I'm doing better at the game. And seriously, I think personally, Virtual Console is more needed at the moment for past games that people need to play that never got the chance. Once that's even enough, Nintendo should be supplying both after that. Not abandon one function to support the other.
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That is not true. There are some people who downolad Virtual Console titles who actually never played some of these games in the past. Only recently, I downloaded Star Fox 64, I never played the game all the way in the past. ut this time, I'm doing better at the game

And seriously, I think personally, Virtual Console is more needed at the moment for past games that people need to play that never got the chance. Once that's even enough, Nintendo should be supplying both after that. Not abandon one function to support the other.nintendoboy16

Yeah, but your points still don't explain the importance of VC over WiiWare and why it's more needed. The thing about VC games is that they've all been available before. There are games on the service that I haven't played and would like to, but the thing is that the vast majority of these titles are available and obtainable without the service. Even with the imports, if one really dedicated themselves enough to import, the games could be there. The good thing about the VC is that it's convenient, but it's not a vital asset to the Wii or anything. Once again, it was implemented as a way of introducing the inexperienced and getting the long-lost gamers something to cling to. The Wii has been out for almost three years, and it's become super-popular. Mission accomplished.

As for WiiWare, this is a service Nintendo was talking about as an important function prior to the Wii's release as the company's solution to helping creative ideas from small developers flourish. Whether or not it becomes everything Nintendo hopes for remains to be seen, but it doesn't hurt if more attention is given to WiiWare and the games developed for it. Unlike the VC games, these games usually aren't obtainable anywhere else, and the benefits of establishing a great lineup of games through this service will mean more for the Wii and Nintendo down the line than anything the VC can offer, seeing as how those games are already established on other systems. Besides, Nintendo didn't say it was giving up on the VC completely, but rather it would be devoting more time into new WiiWare games than the tried-and-true (or not-so-true) VC games.

Honestly, I'm amazed that so many people are seeing this as a negative. With so man people clamoring for new IPs and the like, I thought this would be much more appreciated. Oh well... everything else Nintendo does is met with criticism, so why should this be any different? Right? :P

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#31 darth-pyschosis
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this is the same problem Nintendo always has with its fans

they give you something old, tried and true, you complain you want something new and innovative

they give you something new, and you complain you wanted things to stay the same.

they want to deliver you original content at the best quality it can be, and you say you want games you've already played.

I know it isn't THAT hard to put a game on the VC, but if its any resources taken away from Pikmin 3, Other M, Zelda Wii, Star Fox, Yoshi, Kirby Wii games than i'm all for dumping old games for new ones.

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#32 Niff_T
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This is the worst video game related news I've heard in a long time. I've already re-bought a bunch of the older systems to play the games that are impossible on the VC and the games that I didn't want to wait for. It looks like I'll just have to buy all the games I want that were never released on the VC. It makes me wish I didn't spend hundreds of dollars on the VC. Now half of my library will be on the Wii and half will be on the original systems.Rocky32189

You know, it's comforting to know I wasn't the only one who did this. :P

But, I agree, this is terrible news.

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#33 tom95b
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That is stupid, I like VC much better.

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#34 deactivated-5967f36c08c33
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I know it isn't THAT hard to put a game on the VC, but if its any resources taken away from Pikmin 3, Other M, Zelda Wii, Star Fox, Yoshi, Kirby Wii games than i'm all for dumping old games for new ones.

darth-pyschosis

I doubt they're handled by the same department.And considering the relative simplicity of what the Virtual Console really is,it shouldn't take many resources.The game is already made,and unlike,say...releasing the game on the cartridge form,which costs money,they can make an enormous profit on the Virtual Console.

If they're complaining about lackluster sales,just release something with "Mario," "Donkey Kong," or "Zelda" in the title (or just something from a popular franchise in general),and it'll become one of the top titles on the service.

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#35 Masterlink12
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VC has been ble to release multiple hit titles in a row, something Wii Ware has not accomplished. I hope for new or old titles, whichever way it is to come on VC soon.

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According to an anwser someone got about it:

[quote="Gamebag"]I recently asked Nintendo of America support about their lack of updates on Channels and VC, and this is what I got:

"Dear Jorge,
We understand your concern about the lack of service on the VC as of late. Due to sales numbers being far greater recently on Wiiware than on Virtual Console, we have decided to steer in the direction of WiiWare.
Also, we in America have NO plans to update the Internet Channel or the Nintendo Channel. We hope you understand"
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Wow.

MonsieurX

So,how do you feel about it?

I think it's fake. I don't think any rep from any company would say something like that.

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#37 Nintend0-BuDDy
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Virtual Console > WiiWare

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#38 XDXDXDXDXDXDXD
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As long as the new WiiWare games are good, I'm fine with that. I prefer new games over old ones anyway. And seeing as DK and Banjo aren't coming to VC, there's nothing else on VC that I could want. :|
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As long as the new WiiWare games are good, I'm fine with that. I prefer new games over old ones anyway. And seeing as DK and Banjo aren't coming to VC, there's nothing else on VC that I could want. :|XDXDXDXDXDXDXD
Banjo isn't coming, they didn't say anything about anymore old DK.
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#40 TaMuK711
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If this means we get WiiWare games worth buying for once, I'm all for it.

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#41 ActicEdge
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I actually don't. Its not like there will be no more VC, just less. IMO this is a good move for Nintendo, let smaller third parties have a chance instead of coming in and dominating them.

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#42 29111
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I could care less as long as I get....

Pilotwings/Pilotwings64

Hogan's ally (wasn't this suppose to be out at launch? Whats nintendo waiting for? Some kind of a joystick that works as a laser pointer?)

Super double dragon (or double dragon arcade)

Guerrilla War (either nes or as Arcade)

Zombies ate my neighbors

Super black bass

Shadowrun (snes only)

Virtual Pro Wrestling 64 (slim chance, but i think thats as close as we'll ever get to a WWF NO MERCY)

TMNT: Arcade (for the arcade)

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#43 LinkChicky
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this is the same problem Nintendo always has with its fans

they give you something old, tried and true, you complain you want something new and innovative

they give you something new, and you complain you wanted things to stay the same.

they want to deliver you original content at the best quality it can be, and you say you want games you've already played.

I know it isn't THAT hard to put a game on the VC, but if its any resources taken away from Pikmin 3, Other M, Zelda Wii, Star Fox, Yoshi, Kirby Wii games than i'm all for dumping old games for new ones.

darth-pyschosis

How about wanting a chance to play old games that I've always heard about but never had a chance to play in the past for the first time (legally)? I highly doubt VC games would make that much of an impact on any other area. Seriously. If Nintendo of Japan can do it, why can't they?