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http://kotaku.com/5572645/their-orders-are-to-make-a-better-donkey-kong-country?skyline=true&s=i

- Miyamoto was very specific on DK's ground pound, he wanted the right type of animation

- Miyamoto was very emphatic on the direction of Retro's DK, saying that they are making a better DKC

- It was 10 years when they brought back Metroid and now they're bringing back DK, lol maybe in 10 years we'll get Star Fox

- In 2008 Retro lost some key personnel and ended their experiment game (rumors say they were working on their own Zelda), Miyamoto wanted a new DKC so they gave the project to Retro Studios

- The project began in April and was codenamed F8

- DK can go to the background and foreground with the help of some barrels

- 2 player co-op

- In one player Diddy clings on DKs back and gives him his 2 heart points for a
total of 4, but on co-op both have 2 hearts.

- The diddy player can cling on DK for jetpack boost or shoot peanut projectiles by himself

- This helps when there's an inexperience and experience co-op, if the inexperience player doesn't feel like he's up to it he can cling on DK, let DK do everything but help him out with the jetpack, if both are experienced they can both do whatever they want

- Mine cart levels are tough

- You can play with wiimote+nunchuck or just wiimote

- Shake the controller/controllers to do the pound move

- DK can blow air but why you can do so is not explained

- Won't confirm the return of Cranky or Lanky

- Miyamoto wanted to reach to a certain point of DKs legacy to draw inspiration from

- They know people want the return of the animals like the rhino but they can't confirm or not if they'll return

- No water levels

- The original water levels felt slow so they broke the pace of the game

- King K.Rool will not return

- No alligators

- At first they were working hard to make a good story, but realize that 'Guy stealing bananas, must get them back' will do

Oh and here is video showing all four levels at E3 2010

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hzy5YLKrMko&feature=player_embedded

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#2 LegatoSkyheart
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wait how can they call this Donkey Kong Country Returns when the only thing that Makes Donkey Kong Country isn't in Donkey Kong Country Returns?

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- At first they were working hard to make a good story, but realize that 'Guy stealing bananas, must get them back' will do

Jelley0

lol. I love you nintendo.

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#4 SupraSera
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I liked the water levels. :cry:

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#5 Pikminmaniac
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wait how can they call this Donkey Kong Country Returns when the only thing that Makes Donkey Kong Country isn't in Donkey Kong Country Returns?

LegatoSkyheart

I'm curious to know what made DKC for you that isn't in Returns

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#6 nintendoman562
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No water levels or animals? I've waited 10 years for a new DK platformer and I get this. I'm really disappointed.

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#7 pierst179
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No water levels? I didn't mind Donkey Kong Country's water levels, but I will not miss them. I am very happy they are going with the "Guy steals bananas" storyline, the Donkey Kong franchise is not exactly a series that claims for a deep story.

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didn't like water levels. yay :D
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#9 Jelley0
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No water levels or animals? I've waited 10 years for a new DK platformer and I get this. I'm really disappointed.

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Um, they never said no animals. They said they wanted to keep the secret out a little while longer. So maybe.

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The water levels gave the game a break from the constant running and jumping. The game will still be cool without those levels but I disagree with their reasoing for taking them out.

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#11 Sepewrath
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The water levels gave the game a break from the constant running and jumping. The game will still be cool without those levels but I disagree with their reasoing for taking them out.

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Yeah breaking the pace was the great, that was one of the best parts of DKC, how variable the game was in regards to challenge and pacing. You go from a fast paced level on Rambi, to a slow one under the water, to a middle ground in barrels etc. It's shame they have taken them out. Anyway all of this besides that no water thing :( was in the Ask Iwata interview during E3.
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I understand that this isn't a Rare DKC, but Nintendo, you still gotta keep it in that same flavor. I get that you want the Kongs fighting some new foes, but it's still Donkey Kong Country, with the animals and levels and enemies....

Game'll still be a blast either way , though ;)

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No alligators? that sucks.
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disapointed about water levels animals and no alligators. i lost faith in nintendos 2d platformers. remember nsmb ds, with the 2 player co-op that was taken out at the last second....and they also did that with super mario 64 ds

is there an overworld map at least?

and WHY does nintendo have to put that shake the remote crap in every game??

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No King K Rool?? Boo
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The only gripe I have is the shake for ground pound. I foresee lots of miss-shakes above pits lol

Yay for no animals, I wonder what the filler is going to be; for example in NSMB for DS they had giant / mini Mario, which was alright. Without some kind of filler parts the game could be a little short. I'm really hoping for puzzle oriented stuff, but that would be slowing down the pace. Man, if they do pure platforming all the way through, say 10 hours, it could be a really awesome 2D PURE platformer!

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#17 Pixel-Perfect
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This is starting to sound kind of crappy. :? Well, at least in the sense that this doesn't actually sound like Donkey Kong Country. Not liking what I'm hearing Retro...

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From the gameplay videos, the game looks really good. Retro is a great developer. I'm sure the game will be good.

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They didn't say no animals, people really need to learn to read. basic reading comprehension people. They said they couldn't say anything, if there were none, they would probably just say "No there isn't" So it could mean, some of the animals, obviously with no water levels, their all not coming back. That possibility exist, as they didn't want to comment, that is likely the case. No point in keeping something non existent a secret right?
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Did I read that correctly? Did that say "NO WATER LEVELS"? I think I am going to pee myself. How can you not have the classic water levels? The music was brilliant and soothing. I think I am going to lock myself in my room for a few days and cry. Haha. Anyhow, I am still super excited for this game :)

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As far as I can tell, the only thing we can really tell from this is that it's not going to be exactly the same as the other Donkey Kong Country games, so I'm not sure why people are already predicting doom and gloom simply because of that...

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As far as I can tell, the only thing we can really tell from this is that it's not going to be exactly the same as the other Donkey Kong Country games, so I'm not sure why people are already predicting doom and gloom simply because of that...

GabuEx
for the same reason they're doing the same thing to goldeneye: they want it, they want new things, but if they change anything, either by adding or removing, they whine. in other words, typical nintendo fans. *points at TP*
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[QUOTE="BrunoBRS"] for the same reason they're doing the same thing to goldeneye: they want it, they want new things, but if they change anything, either by adding or removing, they whine. in other words, typical nintendo fans. *points at TP*

lol ain't that the truth
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[QUOTE="GabuEx"]

As far as I can tell, the only thing we can really tell from this is that it's not going to be exactly the same as the other Donkey Kong Country games, so I'm not sure why people are already predicting doom and gloom simply because of that...

BrunoBRS

for the same reason they're doing the same thing to goldeneye: they want it, they want new things, but if they change anything, either by adding or removing, they whine. in other words, typical nintendo fans. *points at TP*

i actually like the look of the new goldeneye except that james is no longer peirce bronsan. and Tp, does that man twilight princess? i still havent played it yet

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Whatever happened to DK's Coconut Cannon?

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I think the new DK looks awesome. Retro did an amazing job with the backgrounds, and animations. And I like how Tenabe keeps information back until the game is released. I hate it when information gets let out by the developer (thinks of SMG2), that would be much better left as a surprise when you got the game in your hands. Hence why he didn't say anything about who is returning, and what animals will or won't appear (or if any will appear). One of the things I loved the most before I started getting information about games on the internet was, everything in the game was a surprise (the downfall however is there are plenty of times when you buy a bad game, and it is a bad surprise). I just got a game from what I saw on commercials, if it was from a series I liked, or if it had a good box art and looked fun on the back. I hope Tenabe leaves a lot for a surprise when the game releases.

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I think the new DK looks awesome. Retro did an amazing job with the backgrounds, and animations. And I like how Tenabe keeps information back until the game is released. I hate it when information gets let out by the developer (thinks of SMG2), that would be much better left as a surprise when you got the game in your hands. Hence why he didn't say anything about who is returning, and what animals will or won't appear (or if any will appear). One of the things I loved the most before I started getting information about games on the internet was, everything in the game was a surprise (the downfall however is there are plenty of times when you buy a bad game, and it is a bad surprise). I just got a game from what I saw on commercials, if it was from a series I liked, or if it had a good box art and looked fun on the back. I hope Tenabe leaves a lot for a surprise when the game releases.

AmayaPapaya

Haha I know what you mean. Generally they talk about everything in the games now and you know exactly what you are gonna get and all. Kinda dissapointed with that in the new zelda, how they showed off so much of the items. Not that it ruins it, but kinda fun not to know till you get the stuff.

I think the game looks really good I just hope they bring back animals and I REALLY hope it is difficult enough. The levels they played looked a bit easier then most and kind of simple.

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[QUOTE="Sepewrath"][QUOTE="BrunoBRS"] for the same reason they're doing the same thing to goldeneye: they want it, they want new things, but if they change anything, either by adding or removing, they whine. in other words, typical nintendo fans. *points at TP*

lol ain't that the truth

the sad, sad truth. i wonder if they'll complain now that they got an OoT remake? better: i wonder WHAT they'll complain about on the OoT remake.
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i wonder if they'll complain now that they got an OoT remake? better: i wonder WHAT they'll complain about on the OoT remake.BrunoBRS

Well that depends on the nature of the remake.

If they add/remove/change things: "OMG defiled masterpiece!"

If they don't add/remove/change anything: "OMG lazy cash-in!"

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[QUOTE="BrunoBRS"]i wonder if they'll complain now that they got an OoT remake? better: i wonder WHAT they'll complain about on the OoT remake.GabuEx

Well that depends on the nature of the remake.

If they add/remove/change things: "OMG defiled masterpiece!"

If they don't add/remove/change anything: "OMG lazy cash-in!"

they changed the graphics and fixed the water temple glitch. "ruined my childhood memories!", perhaps?
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#31 Pixel-Perfect
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Hey, I didn't say it sounded bad, I just said it didn't sound much like DKC. :P

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I can't wait for a new DK, I hope that it comes with an Expansion Pack ;).

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[QUOTE="LegatoSkyheart"]

wait how can they call this Donkey Kong Country Returns when the only thing that Makes Donkey Kong Country isn't in Donkey Kong Country Returns?

Pikminmaniac

I'm curious to know what made DKC for you that isn't in Returns

King K. Rool, Kremlins, Water Levels and even the Animal Buddies and the Different Kongs (Candy, Funky, Cranky).

I'm not saying that this game will be bad. I'm just saying it's sounding like it's NOT Donkey Kong Country.

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[QUOTE="Pikminmaniac"]

[QUOTE="LegatoSkyheart"]

wait how can they call this Donkey Kong Country Returns when the only thing that Makes Donkey Kong Country isn't in Donkey Kong Country Returns?

LegatoSkyheart

I'm curious to know what made DKC for you that isn't in Returns

King K. Rool, Kremlins, Water Levels and even the Animal Buddies and the Different Kongs (Candy, Funky, Cranky).

I'm not saying that this game will be bad. I'm just saying it's sounding like it's NOT Donkey Kong Country.

Yeah. It's like "That's cool, but maybe you should change the title."

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[QUOTE="BrunoBRS"][QUOTE="GabuEx"]

i wonder if they'll complain now that they got an OoT remake? better: i wonder WHAT they'll complain about on the OoT remake.BrunoBRS

Well that depends on the nature of the remake.

If they add/remove/change things: "OMG defiled masterpiece!"

If they don't add/remove/change anything: "OMG lazy cash-in!"

they changed the graphics and fixed the water temple glitch. "ruined my childhood memories!", perhaps?

You're pissing me off. You're directing that to me, directly. I see right through it THAT QUITE A F****** NUFF.
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[QUOTE="AmayaPapaya"]

I think the new DK looks awesome. Retro did an amazing job with the backgrounds, and animations. And I like how Tenabe keeps information back until the game is released. I hate it when information gets let out by the developer (thinks of SMG2), that would be much better left as a surprise when you got the game in your hands. Hence why he didn't say anything about who is returning, and what animals will or won't appear (or if any will appear). One of the things I loved the most before I started getting information about games on the internet was, everything in the game was a surprise (the downfall however is there are plenty of times when you buy a bad game, and it is a bad surprise). I just got a game from what I saw on commercials, if it was from a series I liked, or if it had a good box art and looked fun on the back. I hope Tenabe leaves a lot for a surprise when the game releases.

NaveedLife

Haha I know what you mean. Generally they talk about everything in the games now and you know exactly what you are gonna get and all. Kinda dissapointed with that in the new zelda, how they showed off so much of the items. Not that it ruins it, but kinda fun not to know till you get the stuff.

I think the game looks really good I just hope they bring back animals and I REALLY hope it is difficult enough. The levels they played looked a bit easier then most and kind of simple.

As do I. I'm pretty sure the level they showed won't be in the actual game. It looks like they just scrapped it together.

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[QUOTE="Pikminmaniac"]

[QUOTE="LegatoSkyheart"]

wait how can they call this Donkey Kong Country Returns when the only thing that Makes Donkey Kong Country isn't in Donkey Kong Country Returns?

LegatoSkyheart

I'm curious to know what made DKC for you that isn't in Returns

King K. Rool, Kremlins, Water Levels and even the Animal Buddies and the Different Kongs (Candy, Funky, Cranky).

I'm not saying that this game will be bad. I'm just saying it's sounding like it's NOT Donkey Kong Country.

Firstly Animal Buddies and the Kongs could still be in the game, Retro just declined to comment. Secondly - how important are water levels really? The only thing that made them great was that "Aquatic Ambience" track. Finally while I agree that the lack of Krimlins is kind of a drag there are still plenty of DKC elements to this game - The way the characters control, all the hidden secrets, and plenty of settings from previous games (minecart and tree house levels are in the trailer) Also the soundtrack is supposedly inspired by all 3 DKC games as well as the Banjo Kazooie series, which is pretty sweet.
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While they were a decent distraction from the regular platforming, I don't mind the loss of the water levels. And who knows, they could add something else which is even better. So far I'm liking what I hear.
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The only thing I worry about for DKC is the final boss. Retro is talented in many aspects...except making a good final boss. The Metroid Prime was awful compared to the other bosses in the game. The final boss in Metroid Prime 3 I have the same feeling for. The only one I can't speak for is Prime 2 which I never finished. No reason why I didn't. I bought/beat MP3. Bought Trilogy-beat Metroid Prime. Started Prime 2, now I'm slowly playing it, every once in awhile. KKR was an awesome Villain. Hopefully Retro can pull a great final boss with this one.

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#40 Jelley0
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[QUOTE="Pikminmaniac"]

[QUOTE="LegatoSkyheart"]

wait how can they call this Donkey Kong Country Returns when the only thing that Makes Donkey Kong Country isn't in Donkey Kong Country Returns?

LegatoSkyheart

I'm curious to know what made DKC for you that isn't in Returns

King K. Rool, Kremlins, Water Levels and even the Animal Buddies and the Different Kongs (Candy, Funky, Cranky).

I'm not saying that this game will be bad. I'm just saying it's sounding like it's NOT Donkey Kong Country.

Dude, they didn't say the Animal buddies, and that the different Kongs weren't going to return. They just said they won't answer the question now. And a few water levels definetly isn't what made Donkey Kong Country what it was.

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I'm not really upset by no water levels. water levels are always so SLOOOOOOOOW in platformers. (DKC's 2 weren't that bad though....some of them anyways.)

Kinda sucks that there won't be kremlins or K. Rool. but whatever, I'll manage as long as the gameplay is great.

I'm still excited. :)

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#42 GabuEx
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I'm not really upset by no water levels. water levels are always so SLOOOOOOOOW in platformers. (DKC's 2 weren't that bad though....some of them anyways.)

DJ-Lafleur

Really, the only good thing about the water levels in the DKC games was the music; the levels themselves I completely agree with them that they were slow and boring. I was always glad to get past the water levels and onto the rest of the game.

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#43 Bobbles
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Mine Kart levels>>>>>>>>Water levels. I do hope they have the animals to ride on though, that was one my favorite things about DKC. I will say that I'm disappointed about no gators or Krool but it's not a make or break element for me.
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#44 Dr_Killa
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well no water levels= no swordfish= possibly no animals (yes, ridiculous conclusion) not only that, the swordfish was in EVERY dkc game including dk64. removing it (due to lack of water levels) seems like the end of animals

at least mine carts are still here

and the coconut gun was in dk64

and donkey kong country 2's water levels were the best of the series, seriously. lockjaws locker, the hot lava swim on 2nd world (both which werent entirely water focused). but if they were gonna remove swimming levels, THEY BETTER STILL HAVE SWIMMING IN!! like a river that you have to swim through to find stuff in a jungle stage, not entire water levels. if not they might be too bland

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#45 umcommon
Member since 2007 • 2503 Posts
No water levels? Yeah they were a bit slower pace than the regular land levels but they were still a ton of fun and had some very interesting designs. Plus the sword fish Enguarde was awesome. Rest of that sounds good but having not a single water level blows and just sounds down right boring... what happened to variety all of a sudden?
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#46 Litchie
Member since 2003 • 36032 Posts
I not only liked the water levels, I loved the music for them.. A little dissapointed that they are gone now, but from what I've seen from the game so far, I doubt I'll miss them when I get my hands on it. The animals, however.. Those were pretty awesome. And I'm not sure what I think of having hearts. Maybe it will suit this game better, but I didn't dislike how it was in the first DKC (don't remember if any other DKC had hearts).
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#47 fyor
Member since 2005 • 665 Posts

this game looks f awesome...but those wooden (crash bandicot taken from) bad guy thigs look retarded......how that even compare to king k rool

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#48 TGM_basic
Member since 2003 • 6299 Posts

Awesome news about no water levels.

I can't think of a single game where the water levels weren't completely horrible.

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#49 Sepewrath
Member since 2005 • 30708 Posts

King K. Rool, Kremlins, Water Levels and even the Animal Buddies and the Different Kongs (Candy, Funky, Cranky).

I'm not saying that this game will be bad. I'm just saying it's sounding like it's NOT Donkey Kong Country.

LegatoSkyheart
Well here's how I see it. There has been no word on whether or not the other Kongs are there or the animal buddies. No water levels is a disappointment, just because I like that, but that doesn't make it any less of a DKC game. The Kremlings, seem to have gotten a repaint, that one boss fight from E3 didn't look familiar to you. Its just like the very first DKC boss battle against the beaver, those jumping things, jumping kremlings just with a new coat of paint. They haven't show much of tipped their hand, but from what I've seen they have just added a couple of things, like hearts and foreground/background and altered a few things i.e. actual co-op(which explains the health), the enemy, Diddy has a jetpack instead of a cartwheel, which actually looks less effective than the cartwheel. So far it seems very DKC like, with a few minor alterations.

Really, the only good thing about the water levels in the DKC games was the music; the levels themselves I completely agree with them that they were slow and boring. I was always glad to get past the water levels and onto the rest of the game.

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Blasphemy :P Enguarde was my main fish. Glimmers Galleon? That seizure inducing stage wasn't great? lol
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#50 knuckl3head
Member since 2009 • 908 Posts


- They know people want the return of the animals like the rhino but they can't confirm or not if they'll return

- No water levels

- The original water levels felt slow so they broke the pace of the game

- King K.Rool will not return

- No alligators
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I was reading along and everything seemed fine and dandy, then BAM, a kidney shot followed by 4 kicks to the crotch, all in a row.

- At first they were working hard to make a good story, but realize that 'Guy stealing bananas, must get them back' will do

Jelley0

I wonder then who stole the bananas if King K Rool is not on the scene? I bet it was dixie, women can be evil.