Manhunt 2 was supposed to be released today....

How many people were counting down the days until ESRB had to be a bunch of p****sJonnyd108

Dont blame ESRB that Nintendo wont allow a AO rating...

Meh, I saw it coming.

Kinda predictable that the ESRB would rate any RockStar game with a high level of violence AO, especially after Grand Theft Auto SA.

Such a pity.

i cant understand why none of the companies will carry AO games (cept MS for PC) when the average gamer age is OVER 18!!!

cmon already get with the times!

It's nice to see the ESRB get more power and hand that power to the parents.

Today's date isn't important, what's important is that finally the game industry is getting some standards with a legal backbone that doesn't rely on kids that think they're mature. And Nintendo is one of the companies willing to do it's part to help.

It was due for release here on Friday (UK) but the BBFC thought let's give it a rating higher than 18.

???? At the age of 18 in the UK you are legal to do pretty much anything except drive a Lorry/Bus and adopt a child seeing how Manhunt doesn't incorporate any of the aforementionedI can't understand why they banned it, yet films like Hostel, SAW and a-likes are fine.

It was due for release here on Friday (UK) but the BBFC thought let's give it a rating higher than 18.

???? At the age of 18 in the UK you are legal to do pretty much anything except drive a Lorry/Bus and adopt a child seeing how Manhunt doesn't incorporate any of the aforementionedI can't understand why they banned it, yet films like Hostel, SAW and a-likes are fine.

KingKoop

WEll theyre whole arguement was that there was no context for the killings in the game and that the game was basically forcing you to kill violently.

So for a game to be legal the Violence needs a moral context? Thats so hypocritical of them as pratically all of the martial arts films are just a excuse of the director to show some innovative ways to kill people.

So for a game to be legal the Violence needs a moral context? Thats so hypocritical of them as pratically all of the martial arts films are just a excuse of the director to show some innovative ways to kill people.

JustWiicredible

Agreed, I guess their arguement would then go somethign like,"Oh, but thats all choreographed and you cant compare that to a violent game like this"

Im not really into manhunt, I mean ti looks real creepy but yeh, none of us have played it, so we dont really know. Then again neither have the ESRB................................

Then again neither have the ESRB................................

0v3rcl0ck3d

Not true, they have played the game.

[QUOTE="0v3rcl0ck3d"]

Then again neither have the ESRB................................

Jaysonguy

Not true, they have played the game.

I thought they just watch a video of all the gruesome stuff in it

[QUOTE="KingKoop"]

It was due for release here on Friday (UK) but the BBFC thought let's give it a rating higher than 18.

???? At the age of 18 in the UK you are legal to do pretty much anything except drive a Lorry/Bus and adopt a child seeing how Manhunt doesn't incorporate any of the aforementionedI can't understand why they banned it, yet films like Hostel, SAW and a-likes are fine.

0v3rcl0ck3d

WEll theyre whole arguement was that there was no context for the killings in the game and that the game was basically forcing you to kill violently.

what a pathetic argument it's a video game, if I go out and play NFS Carbon does that mean I have to have context for modding my car? I hate these people.

[QUOTE="0v3rcl0ck3d"]

Then again neither have the ESRB................................

Jaysonguy

Not true, they have played the game.

And i suppose that the censors are now violent mass murderers or in a asylum somewhere. In other words if they can play the game without any long lasting mental pyschoisis then why can they play it but deem it unworthy of us mortal adults. Do they have somekind of Mental firewalls in place? No. IF it's safe for themto play then they must let all adults play it. (Talking about the BBFC specifically who banned it outright but alllowed Cannibal Holocust to be released.Thats fair) Sure give it a super high rating but don't deny us the opportunity to play it.

Not the ESRB's fault. They gave it AO because it deserved AO. It's just that Nintendo and Sony won't allow it to go on their consoles.Dark_Link142

R U kidding me? Have you seen Hostel, Saw, or any of those other TORTURE movies. Give me a break. Rockstar should sue the nuts off the ESRB. Im 26 years old and should be allowed to play any game I damn well please. Stop making statements that make no sense.

[QUOTE="0v3rcl0ck3d"][QUOTE="KingKoop"]

It was due for release here on Friday (UK) but the BBFC thought let's give it a rating higher than 18.

???? At the age of 18 in the UK you are legal to do pretty much anything except drive a Lorry/Bus and adopt a child seeing how Manhunt doesn't incorporate any of the aforementionedI can't understand why they banned it, yet films like Hostel, SAW and a-likes are fine.

KingKoop

WEll theyre whole arguement was that there was no context for the killings in the game and that the game was basically forcing you to kill violently.

what a pathetic argument it's a video game, if I go out and play NFS Carbon does that mean I have to have context for modding my car? I hate these people.

But modding your car within the game gains you benefit within the game. All the exterior stuff is purely aesthetic but as a whole it seems tame to what manhunt "presumably" presents.

What they were trying to say (what I thought they were trying to say) is that in games like R6 and GRAW you killed rebels because that was the mission and stuff. In Halo you kill aliens and also in other games you kill a lot of other things, with reason. The difference theyre saying with manhunt is that there is none of that reason.

Thats what I got out of that comment they said.

Of course it seems perfectly logical but lets be serious. treat it this seriously and parents will latch onto it just as much. The more you make it an issue the more it becomes one. If they let it slide Im sure that there would have been some people who wouldve gone:nah, but overall it would pass and the thing is, its one game out of like the thousand being released.

PLus the wii needs damn games

[QUOTE="Jaysonguy"][QUOTE="0v3rcl0ck3d"]

Then again neither have the ESRB................................

JustWiicredible

Not true, they have played the game.

And i suppose that the censors are now violent mass murderers or in a asylum somewhere. In other words if they can play the game without any long lasting mental pyschoisis then why can they play it but deem it unworthy of us mortal adults. Do they have somekind of Mental firewalls in place? No. IF it's safe for themto play then they must let all adults play it. (Talking about the BBFC specifically who banned it outright but alllowed Cannibal Holocust to be released.Thats fair) Sure give it a super high rating but don't deny us the opportunity to play it.

This is not the argument you want to make.

They found the game for adults only. If you want to make another argument that actually applies to this game please go right ahead but right now you're barking up the wrong tree.

It was due for release here on Friday (UK) but the BBFC thought let's give it a rating higher than 18.

???? At the age of 18 in the UK you are legal to do pretty much anything except drive a Lorry/Bus and adopt a child seeing how Manhunt doesn't incorporate any of the aforementionedI can't understand why they banned it, yet films like Hostel, SAW and a-likes are fine.

KingKoop

Indeed, this ''Adult Only'' thing just applies to america. They should rate it in kind with GTA and similar games in the UK. We have a domain for adult only content even on Nintendo consoles.

[QUOTE="KingKoop"][QUOTE="0v3rcl0ck3d"][QUOTE="KingKoop"]

It was due for release here on Friday (UK) but the BBFC thought let's give it a rating higher than 18.

???? At the age of 18 in the UK you are legal to do pretty much anything except drive a Lorry/Bus and adopt a child seeing how Manhunt doesn't incorporate any of the aforementionedI can't understand why they banned it, yet films like Hostel, SAW and a-likes are fine.

0v3rcl0ck3d

WEll theyre whole arguement was that there was no context for the killings in the game and that the game was basically forcing you to kill violently.

what a pathetic argument it's a video game, if I go out and play NFS Carbon does that mean I have to have context for modding my car? I hate these people.

But modding your car within the game gains you benefit within the game. All the exterior stuff is purely aesthetic but as a whole it seems tame to what manhunt "presumably" presents.

What they were trying to say (what I thought they were trying to say) is that in games like R6 and GRAW you killed rebels because that was the mission and stuff. In Halo you kill aliens and also in other games you kill a lot of other things, with reason. The difference theyre saying with manhunt is that there is none of that reason.

Thats what I got out of that comment they said.

Of course it seems perfectly logical but lets be serious. treat it this seriously and parents will latch onto it just as much. The more you make it an issue the more it becomes one. If they let it slide Im sure that there would have been some people who wouldve gone:nah, but overall it would pass and the thing is, its one game out of like the thousand being released.

PLus the wii needs damn games

Lol I see what you mean, I think I'm just peeved that one of my favourite titles has been cancelled and I want to take it out on the BBFC :)

Just to clarify, the ESRB is not a legal authority. They are an orginization created by the gaming industry. In my opinion the gaming industry needs to stand up and back Rockstar. They should have creative freedom, just like movies. Furthermore, the ESRB has a vendetta against Rockstar. The Hot Coffee incident was the dumbest thing I have ever heard of. People need to grow up. I get sick of everyone being "offended", now I can't fart without going to jail cause somebody might get "offended". Our freedoms are slowly being taken away in this country, this is another example of that. Rockstar needs to sue the ESRB. The ESRB does not even have a listed phone number to call and complain, but they have an email address. I sent them an email and they never responded. I sent Rockstar an email and I got a response from them. This shows you that the ESRB is hiding from this issue and Rockstar is not. The ESRB should have to explain themselves, but we all know they won't.

[QUOTE="Jonnyd108"]How many people were counting down the days until ESRB had to be a bunch of p****sag1052

Dont blame ESRB that Nintendo wont allow a AO rating...

I'm blaming the ESRB because no game deserves and AO ratign and therefore, the rating should never exist.

Just to clarify, the ESRB is not a legal authority. They are an orginization created by the gaming industry. In my opinion the gaming industry needs to stand up and back Rockstar. They should have creative freedom, just like movies. Furthermore, the ESRB has a vendetta against Rockstar. The Hot Coffee incident was the dumbest thing I have ever heard of. People need to grow up. I get sick of everyone being "offended", now I can't fart without going to jail cause somebody might get "offended". Our freedoms are slowly being taken away in this country, this is another example of that. Rockstar needs to sue the ESRB. The ESRB does not even have a listed phone number to call and complain, but they have an email address. I sent them an email and they never responded. I sent Rockstar an email and I got a response from them. This shows you that the ESRB is hiding from this issue and Rockstar is not. The ESRB should have to explain themselves, but we all know they won't.

skelly7483

Sometimes people need to realize we are not as free in America as we think we are. There needs to be an understanding that someone can exercise their own rights as long as the don't violate someone elses rights. I can't say whatever I want to people or about people. You say lies about people you will lose a lawsuit to someone in court for slander. Make racial slurs or does more agressive racist acts and you can be charged with a hate crime. If you really analyze the lifestyle and laws of America you relalize you are not as free as you think you are.

ESRB is an independent agency set up to rate games. Retailers do not sell games that aren't rated by the ESRB. An M rated game is for mature audiences but still give parents the right to say if their own child can handle the content. An AO rating states you shouldn't let your children play this at all. This should only be played by adults.

Everyone saying that they are over 18 and should play what they want should be fine with what the ESRB said. Adults should play this game but not kids and it is for parents to understand that it is not appropriate for them. Your large retailers then say we don't want these games on their shelves. Nintendo, Sony, and Microsoft tell their thirds party developers AO games don't fly on our systems. We will not license you to run this on our hardware. Rockstar knew this going in. They have released so many other games that didn't get an AO rating. If you make overly violent and sadistic games you run the risk of getting an AO rating.

Rockstar is not ignorant to this. I have not seen the content of this game as Rockstar and the ESRB have. However, I do know that Rockstar know the criteria better than we doas to what will get an AO rating. They choose to play on that line and ended up on the AO side. I would be shocked if Mario or Sonic got an AO rating over this. Physically viewing something versus carrying out the acts are two different things.

It's nice to see the ESRB get more power and hand that power to the parents.

Today's date isn't important, what's important is that finally the game industry is getting some standards with a legal backbone that doesn't rely on kids that think they're mature. And Nintendo is one of the companies willing to do it's part to help.

Jaysonguy

Yea but why should anyone over 18 suffer and not be able to play a game that was intentially made for adults? I blame it all on the parents who don't take the responcibility to check ratings before buying games for their kids. I know when Mortal Kombat 3 came out my parents wouldn't get it for me because of the rating (I was like 13 at the time). And it's the people who are too messed up to be able to distinguish between reality and fiction and carry out the actions of the videogame characters they play. And to go with Take Two's argument about Saw 3 being much more violent than Manhunt 2 and it's rated R (which is 17+ just like M rated games)... Our society today is way too sheltered and everything is censored... It's rediculous...

It's nice to see the ESRB get more power and hand that power to the parents.

Today's date isn't important, what's important is that finally the game industry is getting some standards with a legal backbone that doesn't rely on kids that think they're mature. And Nintendo is one of the companies willing to do it's part to help.

Jaysonguy

I am a bit behing on this. Is Manhunt 2 going to come out on the Wii?

As for the AO debate... there are both sides of the story.

M = 17+

AO = 18+

I am pretty sure a year difference isn't going to make a difference.

[QUOTE="JustWiicredible"][QUOTE="Jaysonguy"][QUOTE="0v3rcl0ck3d"]

Then again neither have the ESRB................................

Jaysonguy

Not true, they have played the game.

And i suppose that the censors are now violent mass murderers or in a asylum somewhere. In other words if they can play the game without any long lasting mental pyschoisis then why can they play it but deem it unworthy of us mortal adults. Do they have somekind of Mental firewalls in place? No. IF it's safe for themto play then they must let all adults play it. (Talking about the BBFC specifically who banned it outright but alllowed Cannibal Holocust to be released.Thats fair) Sure give it a super high rating but don't deny us the opportunity to play it.

This is not the argument you want to make.

They found the game for adults only. If you want to make another argument that actually applies to this game please go right ahead but right now you're barking up the wrong tree.

As i said the BBFC refused to rate the game and the refore it is banned de facto as nothing can be released without a cert in the UK (there is no 'unrated' stuff) My point is that they are saying that i as a adult should not play it (i am now unable to make these choices for myself it seems) at all even though it does me no harm. Conversely something WORSE than Manhunt (So much so i refuse to watch it on moral grounds) Cannibal Holocaust is freely able to buy. It's this stupid assumption that to interact in a violent computer game is worse than watching the same content in a film or listening to offensive materiall in a song. There is no science behind it. It's hypocritical.

Small sidenote the BBFC stands for British board of FILM classification. Can you see the error of logic?

I was, this day was supposed to be awesome. E3 and Manhunt 2!@%$ (and "New Maps of Hell" but that's an entirely different topic)