Metroid Prime 3: FPS or FPA?

IMO, it's an FPA.

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FPS

It's a first person shooter

The idea that because you have to look for things that somehow classifies it as an adventure is wrong. In every single FPS game you're looking for things.

This only became an issue when Metroid didn't stack up well against the other FPS games out there. Then everyone started saying "well it's ok that it's not that great of a FPS because it's a first person adventure"

No, it's a first person shooter

FPS

It's a first person shooter

The idea that because you have to look for things that somehow classifies it as an adventure is wrong. In every single FPS game you're looking for things.

This only became an issue when Metroid didn't stack up well against the other FPS games out there. Then everyone started saying "well it's ok that it's not that great of a FPS because it's a first person adventure"

No, it's a first person shooter

Jaysonguy

"This only became an issue when Metroid didn't stack up well against the other FPS games out there"

uh¿?

Its an FPA. It just has FPS elements. A lot of games are like that. A lot of games have puzzle elements, but it doesn't make it a puzzle game. Ratchet and Clank, and Jak and Daxter, both have guns and a lot of shooting, but neither are considered shooters. Metroid doesn't have as much shooting as a normal FPS to count as one, It doesn't have multiplayer, the game is mainly about solving puzzles, and it has a few enemys here or there. I have seen more enemys in Mario than i have in MP3.

Metroid doesn't have as much shooting as a normal FPS to count as oneAmayaPapaya

It's a first person shooter.It's also a bunch of other genres,too.

Although,I would say that Prime 3 is more of a first person shooter than Prime 1 and Prime 2.

You wanna know what a "First-Person Adventure" is?

Myst. That's a first-person adventure.

Metroid is a shooter. You shoot enemies. You shoot bosses. You collect powerups just so you can shoot more. Shoot, shoot, shoot.

You've got a gun. I mean, it's not hard to miss: it's attached to your freaking suit.

Anyone thinking it's an "adventure" game before a "shooter", well, go back and play it and see how far you get without shooting.

[QUOTE="AmayaPapaya"]Metroid doesn't have as much shooting as a normal FPS to count as oneZumaJones07

But you don't just shoot things in MP3.I have yet to see an FPS that is anywhere near MP3 when it comes to puzzle solving, or adventure. Hence why it is FPA. FPS' are mostly linear, they tell you where to go, they tell you how to do it. MP3 is based on much more than shoot this, shoot that. You are right. An FPS, you just shoot through the entire game. Too bad MP3 doesn't do that.

But you don't just shoot things in MP3.I have yet to see an FPS that is anywhere near MP3 when it comes to puzzle solving, or adventure. Hence why it is FPA. FPS' are mostly linear, they tell you where to go, they tell you how to do it. MP3 is based on much more than shoot this, shoot that. You are right. An FPS, you just shoot through the entire game. Too bad MP3 doesn't do that.

AmayaPapaya

...you are aware that,to a certain extent,Prime 3 did exactly the bolded elements,right?:? The level designs are pretty linear; Skytown (the first part,at least) is made up of literally straight lines and circles.And the puzzle elements have been sort of scaled down and simplified compared to the previous games.

it's first person. your primary objective is to shoot stuff. you even shoot doors to open them. your interaction with the world is based on your weapon. the puzzles are mostly solved by shooting stuff.

adventure or not, it's an FPS.

it's first person. your primary objective is to shoot stuff. you even shoot doors to open them. your interaction with the world is based on your weapon. the puzzles are mostly solved by shooting stuff.

BrunoBRS

Because shooting is used as a tool of explorationand adventure,unlike most other first person shooter games out there.

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But you don't just shoot things in MP3.I have yet to see an FPS that is anywhere near MP3 when it comes to puzzle solving, or adventure. Hence why it is FPA. FPS' are mostly linear, they tell you where to go, they tell you how to do it. MP3 is based on much more than shoot this, shoot that. You are right. An FPS, you just shoot through the entire game. Too bad MP3 doesn't do that.

VGobbsesser

...you are aware that,to a certain extent,Prime 3 did exactly the bolded elements,right?:? The level designs are pretty linear; Skytown (the first part,at least) is made up of literally straight lines and circles.And the puzzle elements have been sort of scaled down and simplified compared to the previous games.

They may have, yet it's still there.

I think a FPA is like Zelda in first person perspective. In Metroid Prime you have a gun, and you're shooting alot. So I think it's a FPS.

First person shooting is clearly not the focus of the game. It's certainly an element, but it's no more of a focus than exploration or platforming, Saying it's a first person shooter because you have a gun and it's a first person game is like saying GTA is a third person shooter.savebattery

You spend at least half of your time in Prime 3 in the Morph Ball,in third person.Therefore,Prime 3 is a third person adventure.

If you think Prime 3 is a first person game over a third person adventure,try completing the game without entering the Morph Ball.

My logic is flawless.

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[QUOTE="savebattery"]First person shooting is clearly not the focus of the game. It's certainly an element, but it's no more of a focus than exploration or platforming, Saying it's a first person shooter because you have a gun and it's a first person game is like saying GTA is a third person shooter.VGobbsesser

You spend at least a third to half your time in Prime 3 in the Morph Ball,in third person.Therefore,Prime 3 is a third person adventure.

If you think Prime 3 is a first person game over a third person adventure,try completing the game without entering the Morph Ball.

My logic is flawless.

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To those who say it's a primary objective to shoot stuff, or "let's see how far you go without shooting". Your tool happens to be a gun, which you don't swap around for other weapons, but you upgrade by adventuring. I couldvery easily say "let's see how far you go without adventuring".

Your primary objective is to EXPLORE. Your tool is a gun, you upgrade your gun along your exploration. Why do you upgrade your gun? So you can EXPLORE the next part of the world. e.g getting the ice beam will unlock the ice doors.

Don't be fooled by it's appearance, the gameplay is what it is, and it plays out as an adventure.

But you don't just shoot things in MP3.I have yet to see an FPS that is anywhere near MP3 when it comes to puzzle solving, or adventure. Hence why it is FPA. FPS' are mostly linear, they tell you where to go, they tell you how to do it. MP3 is based on much more than shoot this, shoot that. You are right. An FPS, you just shoot through the entire game. Too bad MP3 doesn't do that.AmayaPapaya

I could very easily say "let's see how far you go without adventuring".trugs26

[QUOTE="AmayaPapaya"]But you don't just shoot things in MP3.I have yet to see an FPS that is anywhere near MP3 when it comes to puzzle solving, or adventure. Hence why it is FPA. FPS' are mostly linear, they tell you where to go, they tell you how to do it. MP3 is based on much more than shoot this, shoot that. You are right. An FPS, you just shoot through the entire game. Too bad MP3 doesn't do that.ZumaJones07

wow climbing ladders:roll:. I'm curious to know what you do in those vehicles in halo...Wait i know. You shoot. You forgot the fact that the vehicles have guns in them. Activating switches? IDK exactly what you mean, but activating switches is in most types of genres. BTW, Metroid does tell you where to go sometimes, but what game doesn't.

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it's first person. your primary objective is to shoot stuff. you even shoot doors to open them. your interaction with the world is based on your weapon. the puzzles are mostly solved by shooting stuff.

VGobbsesser

Because shooting is used as a tool of explorationand adventure,unlike most other first person shooter games out there.

I don't understand why people are so averse to calling it an FPS that they invented a genre that quite literally only has Metroid Prime in it, as far as I can tell.

It's in first person and you shoot things. FPS.

I don't understand why people are so averse to calling it an FPS that they invented a genre that quite literally only has Metroid Prime in it, as far as I can tell.

It's in first person and you shoot things. FPS.

GabuEx

FPS. first person scanner. because all you do in that effing game is scan things.

FPA: it isn't an FPS if there's no ammo system kiddies! Ya there is an ammo system for the missles but it has to have an ammo supply for every possible weapon to be a true FPS.

FPSA

first person shooting adventure. and je-zus, who really gives a hewt

I don't understand why people are so averse to calling it an FPS that they invented a genre that quite literally only has Metroid Prime in it, as far as I can tell.

It's in first person and you shoot things. FPS.

GabuEx

I don't think FPS is really a genre. It's just a type of shooting game. It has just become so overwhelmingly popular that it is easy to think that. So FPA is jusitfiable.

FPSA

first person shooting adventure. and je-zus, who really gives a hewt

fluffy_kins

I don't think FPS is really a genre. It's just a type of shooting game. It has just become so overwhelmingly popular that it is easy to think that. So FPA is jusitfiable.

AmayaPapaya

How does one define "genre" such that FPS is not a genre?

The game's emphasis is on the exploration and adventure elements more than it is on the shooting elements, making it more of an FPA IMO. You don't consider Zelda games to be fighting games just because Link fights people? Of course not.

I'm not a big FPS fan, so I don't have a lot to compare to aside from Doom, Halflife, goldeneye, turok, and battlefield. But think of it this way, Contra was the penultimate example of a sidescrolling shooter, Super Metrioid was the penultimate of sidescrolling adventure. So break down, from ther.

Contra-Did not require powerups, keys, new passive abilities (varia suit) or active abilities (morph ball, screw attack) to progress. It did require shooting through bunches of guys and killing bosses at the end of each level, and was completely linear.

Now let's compare to somthin I do know, FEAR. Guns-check, Linear levels, no backtracking check, required upgrades-no check, required ability aquirement-no check, it's definiteley an FPS by those standards. MP3 Guns-check, no backtracking-no check, required upgrades-check, required abilities-check.

No that's a pretty rough comparison, given the other details (bosses, puzzle events, keys, character you need to meet and so on) that are left out. But it seems from those comparisons that the leap from SSS to FPS parallels the leap from SSA to FPA. One other factor that I also count toward what makes a real FPS is that no matter what you shoot or where on the enemy you are shooting (bosses excluded) you will always deal damage. That rule does not apply to the enemies of MP3 in its entirity(sp).

Fianl feelings, MP3 is an FPA, yes there is a lot more combat involved than in the previous 2 and shooting is required as always. However let this quibble your mind what was Ninja Gaiden NES. It certainley wasn't a shooter (you have no gun) and it was't an adventure (no searching, no required items or upgrades) so wtf was it? What does that make the new Ninja Gaiden?

The whole classification thing is stupid anyway, MP3 is great, End of line.

The game's emphasis is on the exploration and adventure elements more than it is on the shooting elements, making it more of an FPA IMO.

JAB991

Yes, but here's the thing: can you name me, say, three other games in this "FPA" genre? Because from where I'm standing, it seems to be something that has been completely made up specifically for Metroid Prime. I have never, ever heard of any other game referred to as an FPA. And that makes its status as a bona fide genre extremely suspect in my eyes.

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The game's emphasis is on the exploration and adventure elements more than it is on the shooting elements, making it more of an FPA IMO.

GabuEx

Yes, but here's the thing: can you name me, say, three other games in this "FPA" genre? Because from where I'm standing, it seems to be something that has been completely made up specifically for Metroid Prime. I have never, ever heard of any other game referred to as an FPA. And that makes its status as a bona fide genre extremely suspect in my eyes.

interesting point,

but I stay with my final statement, who cares, it was a great game. Are you gunna complain when you are served great tasting mexican food only to find out it was cooked by a chinese guy using ingredients made in Iowa because it'sreally CCIF and not MCMF?

[QUOTE="AmayaPapaya"]

I don't think FPS is really a genre. It's just a type of shooting game. It has just become so overwhelmingly popular that it is easy to think that. So FPA is jusitfiable.

GabuEx

How does one define "genre" such that FPS is not a genre?

Well i guess it may depend on what you think. However, I have yet to see an award for, "best FPS." All i have seen is an Award forbest Shooter. If FPS is a genre, then why doesn't it get it's own award? There are more FPS' then there are regular shooters.There ar eeven more FPS' than there are other, more official,genres. There can be any genre with "FP" attached to it.Although I do not know too much about Portal, so correct me if i am wrong, but i heard it was an FPS (first person strategy), or an FPP (first person puzzler), something like that. An FPS is just the most popular one i guess.

wow climbing ladders:roll:. I'm curious to know what you do in those vehicles in halo...Wait i know. You shoot. You forgot the fact that the vehicles have guns in them.

AmayaPapaya

But you don't just shoot things in MP3.I have yet to see an FPS that is anywhere near MP3 when it comes to puzzle solving, or adventure. Hence why it is FPA. FPS' are mostly linear, they tell you where to go, they tell you how to do it.

AmayaPapaya

BTW, Metroid does tell you where to go sometimes, but what game doesn't.

AmayaPapaya

[QUOTE="JAB991"]

The game's emphasis is on the exploration and adventure elements more than it is on the shooting elements, making it more of an FPA IMO.

GabuEx

Yes, but here's the thing: can you name me, say, three other games in this "FPA" genre? Because from where I'm standing, it seems to be something that has been completely made up specifically for Metroid Prime. I have never, ever heard of any other game referred to as an FPA. And that makes its status as a bona fide genre extremely suspect in my eyes.