Miyamoto to the Press: '[You just don't GET Wii Music!]'

http://wii.kombo.com/article.php?artid=13112

Believe it or not, Miyamoto isn't too pleased with Wii Music's critical reception. He actually calls out Cassamassina from IGN and tells him that he didn't review it correctly. So urm, have we all approached Wii Music in the wrong manner? Should we stop looking it at from such a, as miyamoto puts it, "core gamer" perspective?

I agree. though wii music never appealed to me, i never saw it as a cheap attempt to make money. the IGN reviewer was biased against it because he saw it as shovelware, and he didnt give it a fair chance.

http://wii.kombo.com/article.php?artid=13112

He actually calls out Cassamassina from IGN and tells him that he didn't review it correctly.

cutman2001

And he didnt, Matt did a sh** job of reviweing that game since he trashed it without even having it

http://wii.kombo.com/article.php?artid=13112

Believe it or not, Miyamoto isn't too pleased with Wii Music's critical reception. He actually calls out Cassamassina from IGN and tells him that he didn't review it correctly. So urm, have we all approached Wii Music in the wrong manner? Should we stop looking it at from such a, as miyamoto puts it, "core gamer" perspective?

cutman2001

Basically yeah that's what he's telling us to do.

i think that if you have to "get" a game to have fun with it, its...garrett_duffman

I think most of us built up a prejudice towards Wii Music. The reason is Nintendo 'tricked us' into believing they had a big title in stock ready to be announced, so obviously we were all expecting something epic from E3 2008, and instead we got... Wii Music.

If all this didn't happen, we would have welcomed this game, but as things are, it's getting the cold reception it called upon itself.

Why would Miyamoto truly care? His target audience with Wii Music isn't necessarily the type of person who goes on IGN or Gamespot.

Quite frankly, as far as I'm concerned, the more negative press for Wii Music the better.

^ No I think it's just a bad game in general.MasterC5

That's your opinion. And that's fine. But to many, it's a fun game and does what it's supposed to do.

I haven't played the full game yet, but I've been exposed to it, and I pretty much know exactly where Miyamoto is coming from. I think too many of it are coming out of other games more tailored towards the hardcore and are wanting Wii Music to be a game like that. Quite frankly that's like pounding a square peg into a round hole and then giving it a bad rating because it doesn't fit.

It does what it was intended to do nicely. The only problem is that people were wanting it to do something else.

Myamoto is a ham kinda guy, and the majority of gamers like turkey.

he just didn't add enough bam to it to make it taste enough like turkey so people would try it.

thank goodness for all those hogs!

No one cares.

Wii Music sucks, get over it. Games get bad reviews. Sucks it had to be on the Wii again.

What Miyamato hasn't realized is that the majority of gamers are dedicated, I don't see casuals going on GameSpot/IGN/Metacritic or whatever? =P. Instead he complains to back up his casual gamers.

Poor Miyamato, maybe you can make up for it with a new Star Fox, Kirby or F-Zero? :P

Hes right.

Half the reviews are like "This isnt your hardcore game like Fallout 3 and it isnt like Rockband or Guitar Hero"

no **** -- Cassamassina hated it from the start too -- from the beginning he didnt even give it a chance or appreciate it for what its worth -- all he said was "0mgs to s1mple!!!111!!!!11" and he couldnt even play the zelda song properly.

i think that if you have to "get" a game to have fun with it, its not a good game... especially for nintendo, who has always been about making games you can just pick up, play, and ultimately enjoy. nobody picks up mario and zelda and go "WTF am i playing?" garrett_duffman

I agree. Isn't this game supposed to be for everybody? Not just people viewing from some specific perspective? It sounds to me like Wii Music didn't attract the wide audience that Nintendo thought they were designing it for, and now it's time to hear the excuses.

He wasn't calling Matt out nesscarily. The question asked was with regards to the reception Wii Music has recieved so far, and Stephen Totilo (the interviewer) brought up Ign as an example. Then Miyamoto wondered if Matt reviewed it. As for him not being happy about Wii Music's reception, after reading the entire interview (which I suggest everyone here does) he seems to understand that this isn't the kind of game likely to appeal to everyone, and that's fine by him.

As for the game in question, I think Wii Music is pretty interesting, and I'll probably end up renting it to give it a go. And personally, I think there are other things about Nintendo I'd rather complain about than them starting to target other demographics. Even if you dont like Wii Music, and think it's a bad game, I certainly wish people would stop pretending like it's the first bad game Nintendo ever made. Hell, it's probably not even one of the worst.

Ps. Seriously, go read the interview. Out of all of Miyamoto's recent interviews, this is probably one of the more insightful. I really enjoyed it.

Part 1 - He talks about how he came up with Wii Music, and how it relates to other games he's made.

Part 2 - This is where he makes the comment about Wii Music's reception.

Part 3 - He praises Portal, and gives some of his criticisms of Galaxy and Twilight Princess.

Why would Miyamoto truly care? His target audience with Wii Music isn't necessarily the type of person who goes on IGN or Gamespot.

CanadianEh

But his target audience isn't people who don't get on IGN or Gamespot, either. That's his point here. The target audience isn't non-gamers or new gamers or traditional gamers. It's meant for people who have an interest in creating music, whether they've played games for years or just picked up games for the first time.

Quite frankly, as far as I'm concerned, the more negative press for Wii Music the better.CanadianEh

And as far as I'm concerned, the more Trev in the Wii forum the better. ;)

He wasn't calling Matt out nesscarily. The question asked was with regards to the reception Wii Music has recieved so far, and Stephen Totilo (the interviewer) brought up Ign as an example. Then Miyamoto wondered if Matt reviewed it. As for him not being happy about Wii Music's reception, after reading the entire interview (which I suggest everyone here does) he seems to understand that this isn't the kind of game likely to appeal to everyone, and that's fine by him.

As for the game in question, I think Wii Music is pretty interesting, and I'll probably end up renting it to give it a go. And personally, I think there are other things about Nintendo I'd rather complain about than them starting to target other demographics. Even if you dont like Wii Music, and think it's a bad game, I certainly wish people would stop pretending like it's the first bad game Nintendo ever made. Hell, it's probably not even one of the worst.

Ps. Seriously, go read the interview. Out of all of Miyamoto's recent interviews, this is probably one of the more insightful. I really enjoyed it.

Part 1 - He talks about how he came up with Wii Music, and how it relates to other games he's made.

Part 2 - This is where he makes the comment about Wii Music's reception.

Part 3 - He praises Portal, and gives some of his criticisms of Galaxy and Twilight Princess.

aldez17

Nice read! Thank you for the links!

http://www.gameinformer.com/NR/exeres/4F0E78F8-D0CA-4791-8B07-424C988BF8CA.htm

Gameinformer gave it a 3 and 4.

Whatever I side with Matt. We haven't seen a decent game in how long? And he's trying to push Wii Music?

About time CassaitsurelookslikeIsuckatmyjob gets called to the carpet for the corrupt way he runs his department.

Hopefully IGN wakes up and fires him before that disgrace of a department puts an irreversible cloud over the entire site.

Miyamoto needs to get a grip on what people want jdc6305

Wii Music sold a quarter million copies in it's first two weeks.

So yeah, there's........that

Hopefully IGN wakes up and fires him before that disgrace of a department puts an irreversible cloud over the entire site.

Jaysonguy

Musicgate 08? Will Matt be the driving force to turn Go Nintendo from a journal site to a full blown website? Will Mom Brain approve?

Or is he in a lot greater sphere of influence than he believes?

Miyamoto is theman.

I think most of us built up a prejudice towards Wii Music. The reason is Nintendo 'tricked us' into believing they had a big title in stock ready to be announced, so obviously we were all expecting something epic from E3 2008, and instead we got... Wii Music.

If all this didn't happen, we would have welcomed this game, but as things are, it's getting the cold reception it called upon itself.

Black_Knight_00

I've been saying something along the lines of this for a long time now. Wii Music has become too much of a symbol for too many people. This year's E3 had so much hype built around it. People were expecting Kid Icarus and instead got Wii Music. Now Wii Music has become a symbol for "core" gamers. A symbol of Nintendo spitting in their faces. I still don't think everyone's had enough time to wipe the saliva from their faces, and even if they do, there's still the memory in the back of everyone's heads.

Miyamoto made some great point that I hadn't even thought of though. Having the Zelda or Mario team work on something as different as this could bring about new ideas within the two franchises.

But Miyamoto did come off a tad bitter. It's understandable though. It's easy to see that the man had a vision and he's watching it go on as nothing more than a mediocre kid's toy.

But all of this doesn't change the fact that Wii Music is a seemingly shallow game, according to the reviews I've read anyways. I'm saying "seemingly shallow" because I haven't tried it yet so I'm in no position to shoot it down. But from what I've seen, the full retail price is a little much, and the game doesn't seem to be all that fun anyways. Sorry Miyamoto, better luck next time.

It's his own fault. He hyped it far too much. Did he honestly think, with all that expertise and knowledge of the gaming industry, that non-casual gamers would shut up with all that hype for the game. I can see where he's coming from when he tells us to stop looking at it from a core perspective. But the majority of non-casual gamers aren't the type of audience for WiiMusic. And guess what, the casual gamers tend to not read reviews. So to answer the reason for his outburst I'm gonna say; Miyamoto, we do "get" it. And we are still unhappy about it. You should and probably do know what we were expecting at E3. And you didn't give us something worthy of the hype you presented it with.

Should we stop looking it at from such a, as miyamoto puts it, "core gamer" perspective?

That's exactly what I thinks he wants to do, so there can be more gimmick games like Wii Music

Should we stop looking it at from such a, as miyamoto puts it, "core gamer" perspective?

That's exactly what I thinks he wants to do, so there can be more gimmick games like Wii Music

AndYOU

If it were for Nintendo, we would all be turned into casual gamers. Think about it: a Zelda or Mario game, made to appeal the core audience, costs 10 (a symbolic amount). On the other hand, producing a 'casual audience'-targeted game like Wii Music, Wii Sports or Wii Fit, costs 2. Now, both games retail for $50 and sell about the same copies.

It's obvious what Nintendo management likes best: the stupid casual game that:

- is cheap to produce
- appeals to the huge new unaware slice of market (moms, children, gramps)
- gets old fast, so users will buy another one in a shorter time

If it were for Nintendo, we would all be turned into casual gamers.

[QUOTE="AndYOU"]

Should we stop looking it at from such a, as miyamoto puts it, "core gamer" perspective?

That's exactly what I thinks he wants to do, so there can be more gimmick games like Wii Music

Black_Knight_00

If it were for Nintendo, we would all be turned into casual gamers. Think about it: a Zelda or Mario game, made to appeal the core audience, costs 10 (a symbolic amount). On the other hand, producing a 'casual audience'-targeted game like Wii Music, Wii Sports or Wii Fit, costs 2. Now, both games retail for $50 and sell about the same copies.

It's obvious what Nintendo management likes best: the stupid casual game that:

- is cheap to produce
- appeals to the huge new unaware slice of market (moms, children, gramps)
- gets old fast, so users will buy another one in a shorter time

If it were for Nintendo, we would all be turned into casual gamers.

Mario and Zelda are casual games

They started as casual games and they kept casual through the years

Nintendo doesn't make anything other then casual games. That's why they have such a following that starts when people are 3 and 4 years old.

[QUOTE="Black_Knight_00"][QUOTE="AndYOU"]

Should we stop looking it at from such a, as miyamoto puts it, "core gamer" perspective?

That's exactly what I thinks he wants to do, so there can be more gimmick games like Wii Music

Jaysonguy

If it were for Nintendo, we would all be turned into casual gamers. Think about it: a Zelda or Mario game, made to appeal the core audience, costs 10 (a symbolic amount). On the other hand, producing a 'casual audience'-targeted game like Wii Music, Wii Sports or Wii Fit, costs 2. Now, both games retail for $50 and sell about the same copies.

It's obvious what Nintendo management likes best: the stupid casual game that:

- is cheap to produce
- appeals to the huge new unaware slice of market (moms, children, gramps)
- gets old fast, so users will buy another one in a shorter time

If it were for Nintendo, we would all be turned into casual gamers.

Mario and Zelda are casual games

They started as casual games and they kept casual through the years

Nintendo doesn't make anything other then casual games. That's why they have such a following that starts when people are 3 and 4 years old.

I'll have to disagree. Mario games started kinda casual and started getting more and more casual to the point of SMG, where the only medium challenges await after the first 60 stars. In the other hand, Zelda wasn't that casual when it began. The first Zelda games were really challenging (more in puzzles than in action, though) and casual players could not possibly beat them, or at least not easily. Then the series started getting more casual too, to the point of Zelda PH or Zelda TP, where you can easily beat them without a single game over. They weren't always casual.

ugghhh

thats like giving the movie 2001:a space odyssey the same score as fantastic 4 because you watched fantastic four with the perspective of a dumb preteen.

a game should be reviewed by how well it meets the criteria for a good game, not how well it meets the criteria the developers set for themselves. the developers could have the goal of making a bad game and very easily meet that goal. that doesnt mean the game should be reviewed positively based on the fact that it met the low goals the devs set for themselves.

But all of this doesn't change the fact that Wii Music is a seemingly shallow game, according to the reviews I've read anyways. I'm saying "seemingly shallow" because I haven't tried it yet so I'm in no position to shoot it down. But from what I've seen, the full retail price is a little much, and the game doesn't seem to be all that fun anyways.Lyphe2k

"Seemingly" is correct. It's not shallow. It can be shallow, if you're so inclined. But it can also be fairly complex, if you're willing to take a minute (literally) to learn how the instruments work in their full capacity and use them accordingly. And it takes quite a bit of creativity to compose a coherent song with a six-part band that maintains a consistent styIe with adequately varied dynamics. And it takes skill to make it all sound good.

And it's incredibly fun. In all honesty, I won't pay full retail price for it (mainly because I don't have much money to spend), but once the price drops, I'll definitely buy it.