more DS2 details?

www.gonintendo.com/viewstory.php?id=117130

Devs are saying they want to finish their games in DS2 development by the end of 2010, indicating a late 2010 or early 2011 launch

Accelorameter, GameCube graphics (hey the Wii has barely got GCN graphics! i kid i kid i kid,...plz don't take it that seriously...)

Small gap between screens but the screens are even bigger than current DS screens, whether thats 3.0 of DSL, 3.25 of DSi, or 4.25 of XL, we don't know

Interesting.....

YES!

www.gonintendo.com/viewstory.php?id=117130

Devs are saying they want to finish their games in DS2 development by the end of 2010, indicating a late 2010 or early 2011 launch

Accelorameter, GameCube graphics (hey the Wii has barely got GCN graphics! i kid i kid i kid,...plz don't take it that seriously...)

Small gap between screens but the screens are even bigger than current DS screens, whether thats 3.0 of DSL, 3.25 of DSi, or 4.25 of XL, we don't know

darth-pyschosis

That sounds fantastic! I'm not one to push uber graphics, but as long as I have my long battery life, and some awesome games come out for it. But big screens with nice colors and good spacing sounds nice.

I just got into the world of DS :( hahahEl_Zab

What kind of media would it run on I wonder? Certainly cartridges couldn't handle GCN type graphics. And I doubt they would use the UMD, or something similar.

What kind of media would it run on I wonder? Certainly cartridges couldn't handle GCN type graphics. And I doubt they would use the UMD, or something similar.

nakasa5

Uh, what makes you think, or gives you proof a cartridge couldn't run GCN graphics?

I thnk the media form has little if nothing to do with it

The cartridge in the DS is currently just a shell that house SSD flash memory, essentially an SD card lies inside, with a nintendo made shell around it, essentially.

So a flash card, in any form nintendo chooses, and now likely the cart they patented recently that was much longer than the normal DS card, so long as it has enough storage for data, textures, etc. it should work fine

I'd hope these new carts are at least 2GBs, if not 4GBs-8GBs, heck maybe by the time this is released in spring 2011 maybe a 16GB flash card might be plausible

I'm really excited for this! Going to start putting some money aside each week so I can get it with a bunch of launch games when it comes out.

[QUOTE="nakasa5"]

What kind of media would it run on I wonder? Certainly cartridges couldn't handle GCN type graphics. And I doubt they would use the UMD, or something similar.

darth-pyschosis

Uh, what makes you think, or gives you proof a cartridge couldn't run GCN graphics?

I thnk the media form has little if nothing to do with it

The cartridge in the DS is currently just a shell that house SSD flash memory, essentially an SD card lies inside, with a nintendo made shell around it, essentially.

So a flash card, in any form nintendo chooses, and now likely the cart they patented recently that was much longer than the normal DS card, so long as it has enough storage for data, textures, etc. it should work fine

I'd hope these new carts are at least 2GBs, if not 4GBs-8GBs, heck maybe by the time this is released in spring 2011 maybe a 16GB flash card might be plausible

[QUOTE="darth-pyschosis"]

[QUOTE="nakasa5"]

What kind of media would it run on I wonder? Certainly cartridges couldn't handle GCN type graphics. And I doubt they would use the UMD, or something similar.

nakasa5

Uh, what makes you think, or gives you proof a cartridge couldn't run GCN graphics?

I thnk the media form has little if nothing to do with it

The cartridge in the DS is currently just a shell that house SSD flash memory, essentially an SD card lies inside, with a nintendo made shell around it, essentially.

So a flash card, in any form nintendo chooses, and now likely the cart they patented recently that was much longer than the normal DS card, so long as it has enough storage for data, textures, etc. it should work fine

I'd hope these new carts are at least 2GBs, if not 4GBs-8GBs, heck maybe by the time this is released in spring 2011 maybe a 16GB flash card might be plausible

I don't know, but if you have some reason why they would present a problem then explain or else there is no reason why.

using discs would be a battery killer and nintendo won't do that and no one wants them too

It's all about the games at the end of the day, which begs the question - do we have any ideas (ok guesses!) on launch titles?

We know the Pokemon developers have DS2 development kits, so there may be something from them. If its going to have "tilt" then it lends itself to a Super Monkey Ball game. (I got Super Monkey Ball - Banana Blitz at launch for Wii and the main game was fun, even if the mini-games were mostly rubbish.)

At the absolute top of my wish list would be a Mario Kart game - that would be a definate system seller!

It's all about the games at the end of the day, which begs the question - do we have any ideas (ok guesses!) on launch titles?

We know the Pokemon developers have DS2 development kits, so there may be something from them. If its going to have "tilt" then it lends itself to a Super Monkey Ball game. (I got Super Monkey Ball - Banana Blitz at launch for Wii and the main game was fun, even if the mini-games were mostly rubbish.)

At the absolute top of my wish list would be a Mario Kart game - that would be a definate system seller!

misiufraggle

well if its as powerful as the GameCube which devs are saying,......lemme just say this

NEW CHALLENGER APPROACHING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I just got into the world of DS :( hahahEl_Zab

Very nice. I really would like to see the ds2 at E3 and if it had gamecube/wii graphics it would be great and what i am looking for.

[QUOTE="nakasa5"][QUOTE="darth-pyschosis"]

Uh, what makes you think, or gives you proof a cartridge couldn't run GCN graphics?

I thnk the media form has little if nothing to do with it

The cartridge in the DS is currently just a shell that house SSD flash memory, essentially an SD card lies inside, with a nintendo made shell around it, essentially.

So a flash card, in any form nintendo chooses, and now likely the cart they patented recently that was much longer than the normal DS card, so long as it has enough storage for data, textures, etc. it should work fine

I'd hope these new carts are at least 2GBs, if not 4GBs-8GBs, heck maybe by the time this is released in spring 2011 maybe a 16GB flash card might be plausible

darth-pyschosis

I don't know, but if you have some reason why they would present a problem then explain or else there is no reason why.

using discs would be a battery killer and nintendo won't do that and no one wants them too

[QUOTE="misiufraggle"]

It's all about the games at the end of the day, which begs the question - do we have any ideas (ok guesses!) on launch titles?

We know the Pokemon developers have DS2 development kits, so there may be something from them. If its going to have "tilt" then it lends itself to a Super Monkey Ball game. (I got Super Monkey Ball - Banana Blitz at launch for Wii and the main game was fun, even if the mini-games were mostly rubbish.)

At the absolute top of my wish list would be a Mario Kart game - that would be a definate system seller!

well if its as powerful as the GameCube which devs are saying,......lemme just say this

NEW CHALLENGER APPROACHING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

At the absolute top of my wish list would be a Mario Kart game - that would be a definate system seller!misiufraggle

Have cartridges ever been used for graphics past 64 bits?nakasa5

Carts are just a method of storing data, using "solid state" memory. In the home console world they were eventually abandoned because an optical disc could store much more at a lower cost. However solid state has gotten a lot cheaper in recent years.

Oh, and bits have little to do with graphics.The whole thing with consoles referring to themselves as XX-bits in the late eighties and early nineties reflected what was happening in the processor world back then. Going from 8-bit architectures to 16-bit. Then 16-bit to 32-bit. A few tried 64-bit, but generally 32-bit was adequate for most uses at that time. Only more recently have 64-bit processors actually become the norm.

[QUOTE="nakasa5"]Have cartridges ever been used for graphics past 64 bits?ThePlothole

Carts are just a method of storing data, using "solid state" memory. In the home console world they were eventually abandoned because an optical disc could store much more at a lower cost. However solid state has gotten a lot cheaper in recent years.

Oh, and bits have little to do with graphics.The whole thing with consoles referring to themselves as XX-bits in the late eighties and early nineties reflected what was happening in the processor world back then. Going from 8-bit architectures to 16-bit. Then 16-bit to 32-bit. A few tried 64-bit, but generally 32-bit was adequate for most uses at that time. Only more recently have 64-bit processors actually become the norm.

I can see the DS2 coming in a year from now.

I also predict an insane launch line-up.

wait for the $200 price tag on this thing :P nintendo always prices higher than current handheld models out.merch

Yea i know but wasn't the GBA $150 at first, then it got a price drop to $99 one year before DS? and then DS came out @ $149.

I think this is gonna be $200. All the tech points that way. I can't imagine Nintendo would make the manufacturing costs anywhere near $150, more between $100-$130 so they can sell it for 30%-50% profit

[QUOTE="merch"]wait for the $200 price tag on this thing :P nintendo always prices higher than current handheld models out.darth-pyschosis

Yea i know but wasn't the GBA $150 at first, then it got a price drop to $99 one year before DS? and then DS came out @ $149.

I think this is gonna be $200. All the tech points that way. I can't imagine Nintendo would make the manufacturing costs anywhere near $150, more between $100-$130 so they can sell it for 30%-50% profit

I think you might be off on the GBA price, because I got the SP in 2004, and it was $100. I could be wrong.

Anyways, I'd guess the new one will be between $150 and $200.

I hope it is less than 200$ :( Idoubt I'd get it probably at more than that. But only time will tell. I expect a better camera similar to Eye Toy and Natal, and around that level. l'm 100% sure the touch screen will say. Amazing Idea needs to stay. But it needs to be able to read fingers and more than one touch at the same time. It also needs to have pretty much every other DS thing. All that and GC graphics and I may buy it for 200$

Uh, what makes you think, or gives you proof a cartridge couldn't run GCN graphics?

I thnk the media form has little if nothing to do with it

The cartridge in the DS is currently just a shell that house SSD flash memory, essentially an SD card lies inside, with a nintendo made shell around it, essentially.

So a flash card, in any form nintendo chooses, and now likely the cart they patented recently that was much longer than the normal DS card, so long as it has enough storage for data, textures, etc. it should work fine

I'd hope these new carts are at least 2GBs, if not 4GBs-8GBs, heck maybe by the time this is released in spring 2011 maybe a 16GB flash card might be plausible

darth-pyschosis

Flashcards of that size would be far too expensice though. They might be cheaper then what they were 2-3 years ago but they're not cheap enough.

Flashcards of that size would be far too expensice though. They might be cheaper then what they were 2-3 years ago but they're not cheap enough.

JLF1

Carts are usually offered in several capacities. With smaller carts emphasized early in a systems life, until the cost comes down enough to make the higher capacity ones more practical.

the GC disc holds 1.5 GB according to wiki, so 4GB or more would be excessive, and much more than a 2 GB would be unexpected. Inside the story I read they mentioned it is thought to be released this year.

the GC disc holds 1.5 GB according to wiki, so 4GB or more would be excessive, and much more than a 2 GB would be unexpected. Inside the story I read they mentioned it is thought to be released this year.

dovberg

they will never use GC discs that, no one wants that

Guys, a 4GB SDHC card costs like, less than $10 at retail, probably costs $1-$5 to actually manufacture.

take that 4GB flash memory and put it in a Nintendo designed DS2 game card, and bam!

I don't think our standards should be set any lower than 4GBs. Of course in 2011 they made be able to make 2GB/4GB games for cheap, but in 2013 perhaps they'll be able to use 16GB cards for as cheap as 2GB was in 2011.

[QUOTE="darth-pyschosis"]

Uh, what makes you think, or gives you proof a cartridge couldn't run GCN graphics?

I thnk the media form has little if nothing to do with it

The cartridge in the DS is currently just a shell that house SSD flash memory, essentially an SD card lies inside, with a nintendo made shell around it, essentially.

So a flash card, in any form nintendo chooses, and now likely the cart they patented recently that was much longer than the normal DS card, so long as it has enough storage for data, textures, etc. it should work fine

I'd hope these new carts are at least 2GBs, if not 4GBs-8GBs, heck maybe by the time this is released in spring 2011 maybe a 16GB flash card might be plausible

JLF1

Flashcards of that size would be far too expensice though. They might be cheaper then what they were 2-3 years ago but they're not cheap enough.

You can find 2GB SD cards selling for $6 and 4GBs selling for $10, and no company would sell those at a loss, so they're selling at a retail price at a profit. I doubt it costs more than $5 to make either, even then DS games are $30-$35. They can fit in the cost of it there easily (yes i know other things go into it)

[QUOTE="dovberg"]

the GC disc holds 1.5 GB according to wiki, so 4GB or more would be excessive, and much more than a 2 GB would be unexpected. Inside the story I read they mentioned it is thought to be released this year.

darth-pyschosis

they will never use GC discs that, no one wants that

Guys, a 4GB SDHC card costs like, less than $10 at retail, probably costs $1-$5 to actually manufacture.

take that 4GB flash memory and put it in a Nintendo designed DS2 game card, and bam!

I don't think our standards should be set any lower than 4GBs. Of course in 2011 they made be able to make 2GB/4GB games for cheap, but in 2013 perhaps they'll be able to use 16GB cards for as cheap as 2GB was in 2011.

I didn't mean they would use gc discs, I mean the memory needed for the games would roughly be in the same ball park and thus they would probably use some form of media using similar amounts of memory.

[QUOTE="dovberg"]

the GC disc holds 1.5 GB according to wiki, so 4GB or more would be excessive, and much more than a 2 GB would be unexpected. Inside the story I read they mentioned it is thought to be released this year.

darth-pyschosis

they will never use GC discs that, no one wants that

Guys, a 4GB SDHC card costs like, less than $10 at retail, probably costs $1-$5 to actually manufacture.

take that 4GB flash memory and put it in a Nintendo designed DS2 game card, and bam!

I don't think our standards should be set any lower than 4GBs. Of course in 2011 they made be able to make 2GB/4GB games for cheap, but in 2013 perhaps they'll be able to use 16GB cards for as cheap as 2GB was in 2011.

Why does it matter how big the storage medium is? If it stores the games then that's all that matters. There's no point having a 4GB cartridge if all the games are 1GB...

If the GameCube disks held 1.5GBs, it's likely the new DS's games wont exceed that size either, so having 4GB is just pointless...

kamikaze_pigmy

From the developers' standpoint those low capacity discs were perhaps the biggest weakness of the GCN. Often times low resolution textures were used just so a game could fit. Even then, some games came on multiple discs.

Also, though the DS is often compared to the N64, the largest carts available and used on the latter were 64MB. The largest for the DS are 256MB.

What kind of media would it run on I wonder? Certainly cartridges couldn't handle GCN type graphics. And I doubt they would use the UMD, or something similar.

nakasa5

Why does it matter how big the storage medium is? If it stores the games then that's all that matters. There's no point having a 4GB cartridge if all the games are 1GB... If the GameCube disks held 1.5GBs, it's likely the new DS's games wont exceed that size either, so having 4GB is just pointless...kamikaze_pigmy

[QUOTE="kamikaze_pigmy"] Why does it matter how big the storage medium is? If it stores the games then that's all that matters. There's no point having a 4GB cartridge if all the games are 1GB... If the GameCube disks held 1.5GBs, it's likely the new DS's games wont exceed that size either, so having 4GB is just pointless...IronstaunchB

I'm hopin 128MB but if they wanna keep price down 64MB will be fine. 32MB, yea i guess it'd be cheaper but even the PSPs have 64MB now