Nintendo Could Be In Real Trouble

After Nintendo showed off the Wii U for the first time it's shares started sinking and have not showed signs of evening out or picking up.

Add to that the fact that this was the only chance that they had to get the jump on other companies because next year we'll see new hardware from "others"

Nintendo holding back and setting up next year is a huge mistake because while the Wii U compares to current generation hardware it wont hold a candle to what else is out there soon.

That means we see lower quality multiplats with the hook being "use a screen" just like this generation it was "use some motions"

Between now and it's November launch Nintendo needs to up it's game because as it stands now they're in a very difficult place with a poor showing at E3 and a reluctance to get into details about their hardware and software currently and into the future.

Hmm maybe, they have some good games to make a decent launch, but so many details are still unclear at the moment. Price is going to be a very important one for me.

That's been my main worry from the start. When rumblings came out that the hardware will be comparable or just a little bit better than current gen consoles, my concern was that other console makers were already close to this level this gen, so they'll likely make another big jump next gen and jump right over the Wii U and we'll have the same problem that the Wii had with 3rd party support.

We'll see though. We have no idea what the specs really are. If they find a way to make it worth 3rd party companies' while, then hopefully they'll get some good support. The second screen is something that could be turned into some great gameplay and it is more flexible than straight up motion controls.

I think the E3 conference was a missed opportunity. They didn't really blow people away but there is still time by release to get the hype up for people.

I also fear that the price may be more than we think it's going to be. Everyone agrees with around $299. I think it'll be more for some reason.

It may be helpful to Nintendo if the Wii U came packaged with a copy of Nintendoland, Wii U Gamepad, Wii remote, nunchuck, and a Wii U Pro controller at no more than $300.

The next generation console jump will definitely not be as significant as the last one.

It'll probably still be an issue, but not as big of an issue as this generation.I think a lot of people right now also don't have a problem with the current HD platforms and if they want HD Nintendo with some solid third party, now is their chance.

Why JaysonGuy? This sounds like SW matieral. It doesn't even look like Sony/MS will have new consoles in 2013.

I'm happy with everything I've seen of Wii U so far so they have my money

The next generation console jump will definitely not be as significant as the last one.

It'll probably still be an issue, but not as big of an issue as this generation.I think a lot of people right now also don't have a problem with the current HD platforms and if they want HD Nintendo with some solid third party, now is their chance.

Haziqonfire

I always assumed it was at par with the 360/PS3.

I thought everyone did.

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The next generation console jump will definitely not be as significant as the last one.

It'll probably still be an issue, but not as big of an issue as this generation.I think a lot of people right now also don't have a problem with the current HD platforms and if they want HD Nintendo with some solid third party, now is their chance.

Sepewrath

Wii U will probably go through the growing pains that the 360 and PS3 initially had, but then eventually come out dominating by the time holiday 2013 gets here. I don't see doom and gloom for the Wii U, even if it isn't outselling the PS3/360. It will still enjoy decent sales.

That's been my main worry from the start. When rumblings came out that the hardware will be comparable or just a little bit better than current gen consoles, my concern was that other console makers were already close to this level this gen, so they'll likely make another big jump next gen and jump right over the Wii U and we'll have the same problem that the Wii had with 3rd party support.

roboccs

Thats what happened with the wii but it wont be as bad with the Wii U... because its all about resolution. Its 1080p, and the new consoles aren't going to be any higher than that, because there aren't any televsions really on the market that support any higher, or even planned in the near future.. The biggest difference as to why the wii looked so ancient compared to the new systems was all because of that.. So with the Wii U I don't think it will be as big of a problem.

Especially because we are looking at 2014 for the next xbox and ps3 at the earliest. Its 2012 and still no news whatso ever from either of them. You need like, a year to announce it and then a year to unveil the details. Neither company is going to annonuce and release a console in the same year, so I wouldn't worry about it Nintendo still has a while

It may be helpful to Nintendo if the Wii U came packaged with a copy of Nintendoland, Wii U Gamepad, Wii remote, nunchuck, and a Wii U Pro controller at no more than $300.

Tri-Enforcer

But it has Wii Fit. Isn't that like your favorite game or something Jayson?OreoMilkshake

Yes, it fits the core perfectly

It's going to get ugly for Nintendo when Sony and Microsoft release their next system. I mean would it be so bad having Mario on Xbox? LOL

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That's been my main worry from the start. When rumblings came out that the hardware will be comparable or just a little bit better than current gen consoles, my concern was that other console makers were already close to this level this gen, so they'll likely make another big jump next gen and jump right over the Wii U and we'll have the same problem that the Wii had with 3rd party support.

VendettaRed07

Thats what happened with the wii but it wont be as bad with the Wii U... because its all about resolution. Its 1080p, and the new consoles aren't going to be any higher than that, because there aren't any televsions really on the market that support any higher, or even planned in the near future.. The biggest difference as to why the wii looked so ancient compared to the new systems was all because of that.. So with the Wii U I don't think it will be as big of a problem.

Especially because we are looking at 2014 for the next xbox and ps3 at the earliest. Its 2012 and still no news whatso ever from either of them. You need like, a year to announce it and then a year to unveil the details. Neither company is going to annonuce and release a console in the same year, so I wouldn't worry about it Nintendo still has a while

I always assumed it was at par with the 360/PS3.

I thought everyone did.

goblaa

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It may be helpful to Nintendo if the Wii U came packaged with a copy of Nintendoland, Wii U Gamepad, Wii remote, nunchuck, and a Wii U Pro controller at no more than $300.

one_of_panda

It would probably be more realistic to think that it will only come packed with the Wii U Gamepad at $300. Anything else, that comes with it, at that price, would be a surprise. Regardless, for some strange reason--despite the lackluster E3, the Wii U is still going to get sold out...mark my word.

the wiiu is likely going to be the most expensive of the consoles when it comes out. if nintendo can not persuade people that the wiius added abilities are of a real benefit then people will just flock to the cheaper alternatives. the other next gen consoles are the least of nintys worries at the mo. they havent provided a good reason to choose it over the current crop or to choose the wiiu version of multiplats over the other platforms.osan0

After Nintendo showed off the Wii U for the first time it's shares started sinking and have not showed signs of evening out or picking up.

Add to that the fact that this was the only chance that they had to get the jump on other companies because next year we'll see new hardware from "others"

Nintendo holding back and setting up next year is a huge mistake because while the Wii U compares to current generation hardware it wont hold a candle to what else is out there soon.

That means we see lower quality multiplats with the hook being "use a screen" just like this generation it was "use some motions"

Between now and it's November launch Nintendo needs to up it's game because as it stands now they're in a very difficult place with a poor showing at E3 and a reluctance to get into details about their hardware and software currently and into the future.

Jaysonguy

[QUOTE="osan0"]the wiiu is likely going to be the most expensive of the consoles when it comes out. if nintendo can not persuade people that the wiius added abilities are of a real benefit then people will just flock to the cheaper alternatives. the other next gen consoles are the least of nintys worries at the mo. they havent provided a good reason to choose it over the current crop or to choose the wiiu version of multiplats over the other platforms.Sepewrath

No way is Nintendo launching the Wii U above $299. Hell, no way anyone is going to launch above $349 max - people don't want to spend that much money on consoles.Haziqonfire

Y'know, from time to time, I really wonder how much control Nintendo really has on this matter at this point. It's not unreasonable to think that the Wii U could launch for $300 at this point, I suppose, but it's also not unreasonable to think that it will be significantly higher, if you look at what the system itself is dealing with. At the moment, we already have two HD consoles that have been out for years now at such a price, so to mass produce a brand new system is probably going to ask for a healthy price tag. Those systems also launched at almost unprecedent prices and AT A LOSS. Then, there's the Gamepad, which I sure wasn't the cheapest thing to put together. Last, but definitely not least, you have Iwata's comments on the Wii U not being cheap, Nintendo's absolute silence since that point, and the fact that the gaming only company has already seen its last system reach the level of costing more to make than to sell, and there are things in place legitimate enough for Nintendo to ask for a higher price, although I'm almost certain that would do significant damage to the Wii U's commercial potential.

As for the main topic, I actually agree. It's one of the concerns I've had with the Wii U since Nintendo unveiled it. Right now, Nintendo's is going with the assumption that the other systems won't be that much more powerful than the Wii U and the system will have been able to obtain enough momentum to keep it going. Far from a foolproof plan, though. The Dreamcast had one of the best first years a console could dream to have, and it STILL got crushed the moment the PS2 was released. It was such a risky move to work on and release the Wii U at this point in time, especially when the Wii was still a potent system from a popularity standpoint when Nintendo unofficially pulled the plug on it.

It wouldn't surprise me whatever direction the Wii U went in at this point, and that's pretty much what I've been saying for a year now.

Depends how they price it & launch games now..it just a wait & see now. Price it high & not having enough games at launch could be a repeat of 3DS again. Im sure the sudden 3DS price drop is still on everyone's mind.

That's been my main worry from the start. When rumblings came out that the hardware will be comparable or just a little bit better than current gen consoles, my concern was that other console makers were already close to this level this gen, so they'll likely make another big jump next gen and jump right over the Wii U and we'll have the same problem that the Wii had with 3rd party support.

We'll see though. We have no idea what the specs really are. If they find a way to make it worth 3rd party companies' while, then hopefully they'll get some good support. The second screen is something that could be turned into some great gameplay and it is more flexible than straight up motion controls.

I think the E3 conference was a missed opportunity. They didn't really blow people away but there is still time by release to get the hype up for people.

roboccs

If they'd had a game, just one game that showed something visibly beyond current gen, they'd at least stand some chance of cutting into the PS/360 market. If anything, what they showed at this year's E3 conference falls behind the initial tech demos from last year. None of the launch games look as attractive and compelling as Zelda did.

As is, I think they can forget about that market. Realistically, they'd probably be better off to take a look at the market share of the Wii and seeing how much of that they can carry over.

if it's a profitable machine at $300 (which rumors say is the case) then nintendo has nothing to worry about for the short term at least. We'll see how it stacks up against the next gen MS an Sony consoles. I'm guessing those consoles won't have the huge mistakes of the current gen consoles (RROD for MS and $599 console for Sony)GunSmith1_basic

It's only profitable if you can sell it. It could be profitable at $160, but if nobody wants to buy it, you're still going to lose a lot of money.