Nintendo forgot about the hardcore gamer

Nintendo clearly forgot about us the hardcore gamer at e3. At least thats how i see. Dont get me wrong, metroid prime 3 is a wonderful game we already knew that. Super Mario Galaxy is incredible but we already knew that. And super smash brawl wasn't even there in playable form. Wii fit is preety cool imagine the possibilities and mario kart but we knew mario kart was coming. They simply dedicated this e3 for the casual gamer. Where is Final Fantasy Crystal Chronicles for the wii? Or a new rpg. No new announcements. What about Disaster, when will we see some gameplay. What about battalion wars 2, Wii zapper is cool but didnt reggie mentioned that the next medal of honor would allow 32 players online now where is that medal of honor game? Don't worry im not selling my wii like some people just because reggie didnt say what they wanted hear. I'm just saying that if it wasn't for the hardcore gamers Nintendo wouldnt be making metroid or zelda or mario cause after all we are the ones who buy them. I just wanted to be excited for a new game that it wasn't mario or metroid.

Feel free to leave comments and im not trying to make anyone angry, just sharing my thoughts on e3 and to see if there is anyone out there who think that nintendo did forgot about us... in a way.

I am so sick of these topics clogging up the forums, heres what you do. Somebody make an official Nintendo forgot the Hardcore gamers topic. You all can go there and whine and cry, and organize meetings to sit ina corner and cry together. But Please stop wasting space on the boards until you allare capable of thinking. Sepewrath

what i most enjoy is you posting on this useless topic

MoH 32 plnayer online? Mario Kart? Galaxy? Yes Metroid. Resident Evil UC? DBZ? WTH defines a hardcore game anyway? To me these are Hardcore or are you mad they showed 1 casual game Wiifit? Duckman5

Duckman, I always wanted to know that. What is a hardcore game?

According to the wannabe hardcore gamers, it's a violent woth blood and it must be exclusive to be hardcore.

[QUOTE="Duckman5"]MoH 32 plnayer online? Mario Kart? Galaxy? Yes Metroid. Resident Evil UC? DBZ? WTH defines a hardcore game anyway? To me these are Hardcore or are you mad they showed 1 casual game Wiifit? chris3116

Duckman, I always wanted to know that. What is a hardcore game?

According to the wannabe hardcore gamers, it's a violent woth blood and it must be exclusive to be hardcore.

thats what im saying, we already knew about these games, im talking about the new IPs from nintendo or new rpgs for the hardcore audiencerevolutionman

There's leipzig (next month), TGS (September), E for All (October)that are coming. Nintendo always does their ways and they don't follow all developers.

E3 is dead.

Simply put a hardcore game is something that a casual gamer ora non gamer would avoid. Thats its, nothing more. However people have been coditioned to now believe that a hardcore game is high end graphics, difficult controls, and looks and plays just like the 10 games on the shelf next to it. and dont even get me started on the delusion that people have of what a hardcore gamer is.

What you seem to forget is that e3 is not for the casual gamer.

It doesn't matter if all that Nintendo showcased was Madden and a bunch of other EA games (iconic casual games), it would still be for what you term the "hardcore gamer".

The casual gamer doesn't care about e3, and so nothing in it concerns him/her.

And if a casual gamer does care about e3, then they are no longer casual, because they've taken an interest in gaming much further beyond buying what everyone else is.

I've posted this before, but whatever. It needs to be said again.
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People need to realize that just because the focus shifts to other games doesn't mean the long-beloved franchises are just going to disappear.

If you look at the facts, the Wii is actually putting out the "core" games faster than Gamecube or Nintendo 64. Within 2 years of release, we'll have these first-party franchises available on Wii:

The Legend of Zelda
Paper Mario
Animal Crossing (with online)
Pokemon (with online)
Mario
Metroid
Super Smash Bros (with online)
Kirby
Fire Emblem
Battalion Wars (with online)
Mario Party
Wario Ware
Donkey Kong (still no platformer)
Mario Kart (with online)
Mario Strikers (with online)
Excite

While not all of those games can be directly clas*ified as "hardcore", most of them can. It took Gamecube more than 5 years to get all of those games on the market. Add those titles to the new Nintendo IPs:
Eyeshield
Disaster
Project HAMMER (maybe?)
Endless Ocean (with online)
Franchise revival (Kid Icarus, PilotWings, Earthbound, Punchout, Ice Climber, Dr Mario ?)

And then look at the first party games that aren't announced, but will probably be coming:
Pikmin (just confirmed by Miyamoto)
Star Fox
F-Zero
Mario Golf
Mario Tennis
Mario Baseball
another Mario Party
another new Zelda
Wave Race
1080
Custom Robo
Eternal Darkness (less likely)
Chibi Robo
Baten Kaitos
Wario platformer
Geist (maybe)


And then think about the Virtual Console, Wiiware, and all of the "hardcore" third-party games that are coming. And the Gamecube backwards coompatibility? Nintendo has its loyal fans covered. Just because WiiFit is coming doesn't mean that other games aren't.

Nintendo is trying to appeal to "everyone", which includes hardcore gamers. As long as there are hardcore gamers there will be hardcore games.SmashBrosLegend

Yeah but e3 is about showing new stuff to hype the gamers. So after all those upcoming games that are due to come this year, then what....Exactly we wait, but we wait to see what is next from the big N, other competitors have something to be cheering for next year.

you post some unannounced games, that doest make a difference, those are based on rumors and no confirmations. That's what e3 is about, announcing new games let that be new IPs or sequels or remakes.

now show me how many hardcore third party games were announced at e3. games that we havent heard before e3. Medal of honor, nitrobike....what else...

And i never said i had a problem with Wii Fit for me it is a great idea. But it was obviously aiming for the casual audience. Now what they decide to do with that in the future is up to them and other developers. imagine a game that uses the balance bar and the wii mote at the same time, Nintendo is sure aimind for everyone but the clearly forgot about the hardcore gamer AT E3 and focused way more on the the casual success of the wii and ds. That explain those youtube videos shown on the nintendo conference.

I've posted this before, but whatever. It needs to be said again.
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People need to realize that just because the focus shifts to other games doesn't mean the long-beloved franchises are just going to disappear.

If you look at the facts, the Wii is actually putting out the "core" games faster than Gamecube or Nintendo 64. Within 2 years of release, we'll have these first-party franchises available on Wii:

The Legend of Zelda
Paper Mario
Animal Crossing (with online)
Pokemon (with online)
Mario
Metroid
Super Smash Bros (with online)
Kirby
Fire Emblem
Battalion Wars (with online)
Mario Party
Wario Ware
Donkey Kong (still no platformer)
Mario Kart (with online)
Mario Strikers (with online)
Excite

While not all of those games can be directly clas*ified as "hardcore", most of them can. It took Gamecube more than 5 years to get all of those games on the market. Add those titles to the new Nintendo IPs:
Eyeshield
Disaster
Project HAMMER (maybe?)
Endless Ocean (with online)
Franchise revival (Kid Icarus, PilotWings, Earthbound, Punchout, Ice Climber, Dr Mario ?)

And then look at the first party games that aren't announced, but will probably be coming:
Pikmin (just confirmed by Miyamoto)
Star Fox
F-Zero
Mario Golf
Mario Tennis
Mario Baseball
another Mario Party
another new Zelda
Wave Race
1080
Custom Robo
Eternal Darkness (less likely)
Chibi Robo
Baten Kaitos
Wario platformer
Geist (maybe)


And then think about the Virtual Console, Wiiware, and all of the "hardcore" third-party games that are coming. And the Gamecube backwards coompatibility? Nintendo has its loyal fans covered. Just because WiiFit is coming doesn't mean that other games aren't.

Nintendo is trying to appeal to "everyone", which includes hardcore gamers. As long as there are hardcore gamers there will be hardcore games.SmashBrosLegend

Yeah but e3 is about showing new stuff to hype the gamers. So after all those upcoming games that are due to come this year, then what....Exactly we wait, but we wait to see what is next from the big N, other competitors have something to be cheering for next year.

you post some unannounced games, that doest make a difference, those are based on rumors and no confirmations. That's what e3 is about, announcing new games let that be new IPs or sequels or remakes.

now show me how many hardcore third party games were announced at e3. games that we havent heard before e3. Medal of honor, nitrobike....what else...

And i never said i had a problem with Wii Fit for me it is a great idea. But it was obviously aiming for the casual audience. Now what they decide to do with that in the future is up to them and other developers. imagine a game that uses the balance bar and the wii mote at the same time, Nintendo is sure aimind for everyone but the clearly forgot about the hardcore gamer AT E3 and focused way more on the the casual success of the wii and ds. That explain those youtube videos shown on the nintendo conference.

What you seem to forget is that e3 is not for the casual gamer.

It doesn't matter if all that Nintendo showcased was Madden and a bunch of other EA games (iconic casual games), it would still be for what you term the "hardcore gamer".

The casual gamer doesn't care about e3, and so nothing in it concerns him/her.

And if a casual gamer does care about e3, then they are no longer casual, because they've taken an interest in gaming much further beyond buying what everyone else is.

Wakeboard_Dude

its a conference therefore people from the media will be involved, news are sure to get around. specially on tv. Just wait and see. As long as the media is around and taking notes on there movement, the world will get the news. Nintendo even mentioned that there are some health departments interested in wii fit.

Yeah but e3 is about showing new stuff to hype the gamers. So after all those upcoming games that are due to come this year, then what....Exactly we wait, but we wait to see what is next from the big N, other competitors have something to be cheering for next year.

you post some unannounced games, that doest make a difference, those are based on rumors and no confirmations. That's what e3 is about, announcing new games let that be new IPs or sequels or remakes.

now show me how many hardcore third party games were announced at e3. games that we havent heard before e3. Medal of honor, nitrobike....what else...

And i never said i had a problem with Wii Fit for me it is a great idea. But it was obviously aiming for the casual audience. Now what they decide to do with that in the future is up to them and other developers. imagine a game that uses the balance bar and the wii mote at the same time, Nintendo is sure aimind for everyone but the clearly forgot about the hardcore gamer AT E3 and focused way more on the the casual success of the wii and ds. That explain those youtube videos shown on the nintendo conference.
revolutionman

Nintendo clearly forgot about us the hardcore gamer at e3. At least thats how i see. Dont get me wrong, metroid prime 3 is a wonderful game we already knew that. Super Mario Galaxy is incredible but we already knew that. And super smash brawl wasn't even there in playable form. Wii fit is preety cool imagine the possibilities and mario kart but we knew mario kart was coming. They simply dedicated this e3 for the casual gamer. Where is Final Fantasy Crystal Chronicles for the wii? Or a new rpg. No new announcements. What about Disaster, when will we see some gameplay. What about battalion wars 2, Wii zapper is cool but didnt reggie mentioned that the next medal of honor would allow 32 players online now where is that medal of honor game? Don't worry im not selling my wii like some people just because reggie didnt say what they wanted hear. I'm just saying that if it wasn't for the hardcore gamers Nintendo wouldnt be making metroid or zelda or mario cause after all we are the ones who buy them. I just wanted to be excited for a new game that it wasn't mario or metroid.

Feel free to leave comments and im not trying to make anyone angry, just sharing my thoughts on e3 and to see if there is anyone out there who think that nintendo did forgot about us... in a way.

revolutionman

there is a recent interview with myamoto-san ( sorry I can't find the link) where he says something along the same lines of: "I really wanted to show off wiifit at the press conference."for the mass marcet apparently. and that "now it was time to chow off SMG." (this was a demo interview... I guess) That was exclusivley for us hardcore gamers. I don't think they forgot about us. they are just spending a little time making mass market games, instead of hardcore ones.

[QUOTE="SmashBrosLegend"]I've posted this before, but whatever. It needs to be said again.
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People need to realize that just because the focus shifts to other games doesn't mean the long-beloved franchises are just going to disappear.

If you look at the facts, the Wii is actually putting out the "core" games faster than Gamecube or Nintendo 64. Within 2 years of release, we'll have these first-party franchises available on Wii:

The Legend of Zelda
Paper Mario
Animal Crossing (with online)
Pokemon (with online)
Mario
Metroid
Super Smash Bros (with online)
Kirby
Fire Emblem
Battalion Wars (with online)
Mario Party
Wario Ware
Donkey Kong (still no platformer)
Mario Kart (with online)
Mario Strikers (with online)
Excite

While not all of those games can be directly clas*ified as "hardcore", most of them can. It took Gamecube more than 5 years to get all of those games on the market. Add those titles to the new Nintendo IPs:
Eyeshield
Disaster
Project HAMMER (maybe?)
Endless Ocean (with online)
Franchise revival (Kid Icarus, PilotWings, Earthbound, Punchout, Ice Climber, Dr Mario ?)

And then look at the first party games that aren't announced, but will probably be coming:
Pikmin (just confirmed by Miyamoto)
Star Fox
F-Zero
Mario Golf
Mario Tennis
Mario Baseball
another Mario Party
another new Zelda
Wave Race
1080
Custom Robo
Eternal Darkness (less likely)
Chibi Robo
Baten Kaitos
Wario platformer
Geist (maybe)


And then think about the Virtual Console, Wiiware, and all of the "hardcore" third-party games that are coming. And the Gamecube backwards coompatibility? Nintendo has its loyal fans covered. Just because WiiFit is coming doesn't mean that other games aren't.

Nintendo is trying to appeal to "everyone", which includes hardcore gamers. As long as there are hardcore gamers there will be hardcore games.revolutionman

Yeah but e3 is about showing new stuff to hype the gamers. So after all those upcoming games that are due to come this year, then what....Exactly we wait, but we wait to see what is next from the big N, other competitors have something to be cheering for next year.

you post some unannounced games, that doest make a difference, those are based on rumors and no confirmations. That's what e3 is about, announcing new games let that be new IPs or sequels or remakes.

now show me how many hardcore third party games were announced at e3. games that we havent heard before e3. Medal of honor, nitrobike....what else...

And i never said i had a problem with Wii Fit for me it is a great idea. But it was obviously aiming for the casual audience. Now what they decide to do with that in the future is up to them and other developers. imagine a game that uses the balance bar and the wii mote at the same time, Nintendo is sure aimind for everyone but the clearly forgot about the hardcore gamer AT E3 and focused way more on the the casual success of the wii and ds. That explain those youtube videos shown on the nintendo conference.

up until 2006 this was the case now e3 is only to get the shareholders and business partners exited with products that will make them money which is why they created e for all so gamers can get in there and check out all the new stuff

[QUOTE="revolutionman"]

[QUOTE="SmashBrosLegend"]I've posted this before, but whatever. It needs to be said again.
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People need to realize that just because the focus shifts to other games doesn't mean the long-beloved franchises are just going to disappear.

If you look at the facts, the Wii is actually putting out the "core" games faster than Gamecube or Nintendo 64. Within 2 years of release, we'll have these first-party franchises available on Wii:

The Legend of Zelda
Paper Mario
Animal Crossing (with online)
Pokemon (with online)
Mario
Metroid
Super Smash Bros (with online)
Kirby
Fire Emblem
Battalion Wars (with online)
Mario Party
Wario Ware
Donkey Kong (still no platformer)
Mario Kart (with online)
Mario Strikers (with online)
Excite

While not all of those games can be directly clas*ified as "hardcore", most of them can. It took Gamecube more than 5 years to get all of those games on the market. Add those titles to the new Nintendo IPs:
Eyeshield
Disaster
Project HAMMER (maybe?)
Endless Ocean (with online)
Franchise revival (Kid Icarus, PilotWings, Earthbound, Punchout, Ice Climber, Dr Mario ?)

And then look at the first party games that aren't announced, but will probably be coming:
Pikmin (just confirmed by Miyamoto)
Star Fox
F-Zero
Mario Golf
Mario Tennis
Mario Baseball
another Mario Party
another new Zelda
Wave Race
1080
Custom Robo
Eternal Darkness (less likely)
Chibi Robo
Baten Kaitos
Wario platformer
Geist (maybe)


And then think about the Virtual Console, Wiiware, and all of the "hardcore" third-party games that are coming. And the Gamecube backwards coompatibility? Nintendo has its loyal fans covered. Just because WiiFit is coming doesn't mean that other games aren't.

Nintendo is trying to appeal to "everyone", which includes hardcore gamers. As long as there are hardcore gamers there will be hardcore games.fraz1776

Yeah but e3 is about showing new stuff to hype the gamers. So after all those upcoming games that are due to come this year, then what....Exactly we wait, but we wait to see what is next from the big N, other competitors have something to be cheering for next year.

you post some unannounced games, that doest make a difference, those are based on rumors and no confirmations. That's what e3 is about, announcing new games let that be new IPs or sequels or remakes.

now show me how many hardcore third party games were announced at e3. games that we havent heard before e3. Medal of honor, nitrobike....what else...

And i never said i had a problem with Wii Fit for me it is a great idea. But it was obviously aiming for the casual audience. Now what they decide to do with that in the future is up to them and other developers. imagine a game that uses the balance bar and the wii mote at the same time, Nintendo is sure aimind for everyone but the clearly forgot about the hardcore gamer AT E3 and focused way more on the the casual success of the wii and ds. That explain those youtube videos shown on the nintendo conference.

up until 2006 this was the case now e3 is only to get the shareholders and business partners exited with products that will make them money which is why they created e for all so gamers can get in there and check out all the new stuff

That doesnt change the fact that e3 is still important in some aspect to nintendo, It's a conference were they spent money unveiling and showing new stuff to the world. Even Satoru Iwata said that they wanted to show quality instead of quantity, thats why they showed wiifit and no new games cause the line-up is balanced for what's left of this year. but there is nothing bad about seeing new games

A harcore gamer is one who plays alot of games in a period of time

not mini games