Nintendo needs to give more appeal to the hardcore gamers 2009

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#1 SN35_2
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I am going to type up a long rant so as my friend Ike would say, "Prepare yourself!"

2008 was not a good year for the hardcore Nintendo fans. Luckily Super Smash Bros. Brawl and with some help from Mario Kart Wii gave us hardcore gamers somewhat satisfaction. However the rest of 2008 after Brawl went downward.

At E3 I was expecting Nintendo to host a pretty good conference like the year before. Unfortunately I was severely disappointed, mostly because there were no games that appealed to the hardcore audience.

I feel as if the Wii can be something a lot better then what it is at the moment. It's often overlooked by people as a "Childish" system. However that is not the case, it appeals to all audiences. One thing about the gaming industry is that it's being fueled mostly by the shooting genre. The Wii just doesn't have the shooting games like the other two consoles have. The Wii can have great shooting games, Call of Duty 5 and Resident Evil 4 prove that the Wii is capable of doing so.

Now about the absence of the good third party games. Third party companies don't like making games for the Wii because a few weeks after the release they usually end up in the bargain bin. In my opinion I don't think that they want to try and make good third party games for the Wii, but that's just me.

Now in 2009 I hope Nintendo will release a Triple A title or even more! I haven't heard of any first party titles coming out in '09 that are hyped, but Nintendo could take advantage of a gaming drought. RELEASE popular c|assics for the Virtual Console. Or better yet finally releasing Earthbound showing that there is a huge amount of people that love to play the game and want to. Maybe then that will show them to release an Earthbound compilation on the DS with EB0, EB, and EB2. Now I'm dreaming...

Anyways the point is Nintendo needs to make 2009 the year of the hardcore audience. If 2009 isn't a good year for the Wii (I'm asking for 1 triple A title) I'm trading mine in and never looking back. We deserve it after being given hardly any hardcore titles to enjoy. Also Animal Crossing could be so much more but it's not much of an improvement to its predecessor.

I had to clear my mind of this, please post what you think as well.

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Nintendo is a casual company. They make casual games. Whether the hardcore audience likes them or not is totally up for grabs. Next year they will appeal to the casual audience as they have every year since their existence. If you haven't liked what you've seen so far, I'd suggest trading in your system now instead of later.
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[QUOTE="SN35_2"]

I am going to type up a long rant so as my friend Ike would say, "Prepare yourself!"

2008 was not a good year for the hardcore Nintendo fans. Luckily Super Smash Bros. Brawl and with some help from Mario Kart Wii gave us hardcore gamers somewhat satisfaction. However the rest of 2008 after Brawl went downward.

At E3 I was expecting Nintendo to host a pretty good conference like the year before. Unfortunately I was severely disappointed, mostly because there were no games that appealed to the hardcore audience.

I feel as if the Wii can be something a lot better then what it is at the moment. It's often overlooked by people as a "Childish" system. However that is not the case, it appeals to all audiences. One thing about the gaming industry is that it's being fueled mostly by the shooting genre. The Wii just doesn't have the shooting games like the other two consoles have. The Wii can have great shooting games, Call of Duty 5 and Resident Evil 4 prove that the Wii is capable of doing so.

Now about the absence of the good third party games. Third party companies don't like making games for the Wii because a few weeks after the release they usually end up in the bargain bin. In my opinion I don't think that they want to try and make good third party games for the Wii, but that's just me.

Now in 2009 I hope Nintendo will release a Triple A title or even more! I haven't heard of any first party titles coming out in '09 that are hyped, but Nintendo could take advantage of a gaming drought. RELEASE popular c|assics for the Virtual Console. Or better yet finally releasing Earthbound showing that there is a huge amount of people that love to play the game and want to. Maybe then that will show them to release an Earthbound compilation on the DS with EB0, EB, and EB2. Now I'm dreaming...

Anyways the point is Nintendo needs to make 2009 the year of the hardcore audience. If 2009 isn't a good year for the Wii (I'm asking for 1 triple A title) I'm trading mine in and never looking back. We deserve it after being given hardly any hardcore titles to enjoy. Also Animal Crossing could be so much more but it's not much of an improvement to its predecessor.

I had to clear my mind of this, please post what you think as well.

Nintendo is now a casual company. I hope they do make some games that are hardcore.
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....And thats why I got a 360 for christmas..Still have my wii doh :)
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"In my opinion I don't think that they want to try and make good third party games for the Wii, but that's just me."

Dragon Quest X, Monster Hunter 3, The next Tales of (which it's a main title) disagree.

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#6 Chojuto
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I don't see why people ONLY look at Nintendo's titles. Jeese there's a lot of OTHER good Wii games out there besides ones made by Nintendo!
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#7 TheColbert
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"Now about the absence of the good third party games" Well you already listed 2 great 3rd party games in your post(RE4 and COD WAW) but you are forgetting many others. De blob, Guitar Hero World Tour, Madden 09 and Okami to name a few. 3rd party supports is really not bad at all.
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#8 Okami_Link
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[QUOTE="chris3116"]

"In my opinion I don't think that they want to try and make good third party games for the Wii, but that's just me."

Dragon Quest X, Monster Hunter 3, The next Tales of (which it's a main title) disagree.

Fragile, Muramasa, No More Heroes 2, Mad World, The Conduit, Rune Factory Frontier, K.O.R.E., Spyborgs, Tatsunoko vs Capcom, Arc Rise Fantasia, Final Fantasy Crystal Chronicles Crystal Bearers and Ougon no Kitsuna do as well ;)
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*looks around topic...shakes head, leaves*
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*looks around topic...shakes head, leaves*Sepewrath
ditto
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Call of Duty World at War is probably the most hardcore game for the Wii, I recommend it to anyone who has not tried it yet. Gameplay is so addictive I havent slept for 36 hours haha!
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Eight words, Tales of Symphonia Dawn of the New World!
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Eight words, Tales of Symphonia Dawn of the New World!Ultamite-Ninja
That's only 7! Just kidding. :P
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[QUOTE="chris3116"]

"In my opinion I don't think that they want to try and make good third party games for the Wii, but that's just me."

Dragon Quest X, Monster Hunter 3, The next Tales of (which it's a main title) disagree.

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Fragile, Muramasa, No More Heroes 2, Mad World, The Conduit, Rune Factory Frontier, K.O.R.E., Spyborgs, Tatsunoko vs Capcom, Arc Rise Fantasia, Final Fantasy Crystal Chronicles Crystal Bearers and Ougon no Kitsuna do as well ;)

Dont forget the new Pikmin in development and quite possibly a new Mario and Zelda game on the way. and also Little King's Story :)

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I am going to type up a long rant so as my friend Ike would say, "Prepare yourself!"

2008 was not a good year for the hardcore Nintendo fans. Luckily Super Smash Bros. Brawl and with some help from Mario Kart Wii gave us hardcore gamers somewhat satisfaction. However the rest of 2008 after Brawl went downward.

At E3 I was expecting Nintendo to host a pretty good conference like the year before. Unfortunately I was severely disappointed, mostly because there were no games that appealed to the hardcore audience.

I feel as if the Wii can be something a lot better then what it is at the moment. It's often overlooked by people as a "Childish" system. However that is not the case, it appeals to all audiences. One thing about the gaming industry is that it's being fueled mostly by the shooting genre. The Wii just doesn't have the shooting games like the other two consoles have. The Wii can have great shooting games, Call of Duty 5 and Resident Evil 4 prove that the Wii is capable of doing so.

Now about the absence of the good third party games. Third party companies don't like making games for the Wii because a few weeks after the release they usually end up in the bargain bin. In my opinion I don't think that they want to try and make good third party games for the Wii, but that's just me.

Now in 2009 I hope Nintendo will release a Triple A title or even more! I haven't heard of any first party titles coming out in '09 that are hyped, but Nintendo could take advantage of a gaming drought. RELEASE popular c|assics for the Virtual Console. Or better yet finally releasing Earthbound showing that there is a huge amount of people that love to play the game and want to. Maybe then that will show them to release an Earthbound compilation on the DS with EB0, EB, and EB2. Now I'm dreaming...

Anyways the point is Nintendo needs to make 2009 the year of the hardcore audience. If 2009 isn't a good year for the Wii (I'm asking for 1 triple A title) I'm trading mine in and never looking back. We deserve it after being given hardly any hardcore titles to enjoy. Also Animal Crossing could be so much more but it's not much of an improvement to its predecessor.

I had to clear my mind of this, please post what you think as well.

SN35_2
I agree with you100%. I'm getting tired of defending my Wii ownership. I'm the only person out of the dozens of people I know who still owns/uses one. I like it but now it is just not worth the effort in trying to make it appeal to the people around me.
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[QUOTE="Sepewrath"]*looks around topic...shakes head, leaves*yeahyeahbigN
ditto

Double ditto. These topics do try my patience also. Hardcore and casual are simplistic . Games are not casual or hardcore they are either good or bad and the Wii has plenty of good games.
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[QUOTE="yeahyeahbigN"][QUOTE="Sepewrath"]*looks around topic...shakes head, leaves*Xraydon
ditto

Double ditto. These topics do try my patience also. Hardcore and casual are simplistic . Games are not casual or hardcore they are either good or bad and the Wii has plenty of good games.

triple ditto >.>
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Nintendo is a casual company. They make casual games. Whether the hardcore audience likes them or not is totally up for grabs. Next year they will appeal to the casual audience as they have every year since their existence. If you haven't liked what you've seen so far, I'd suggest trading in your system now instead of later.AlexSays

I agree 100% with this. Nintendo has always been mass market and they've always made mass market games. However, they're traditional games (Zelda, Mario, Pokemon), while still enjoyed by casual gamers, have "hardcore elements" that newer Nintendo games such as Wii Fit and Wii Play lack. People want to see those hardcore elements return and I think they will with games like Punch-Out and Sin and Punishment 2 coming out in the coming year or so. Even still Nintendo has clearly gone back to the basics of gaming to appeal to those who have been left behind since the NES era and that's going to mean simpler and more intuitive games like Wii Play. If people don't like that direction, they should stop whining and forget about the Wii.

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we know...
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[QUOTE="Xraydon"][QUOTE="yeahyeahbigN"] dittoMike885
Double ditto. These topics do try my patience also. Hardcore and casual are simplistic . Games are not casual or hardcore they are either good or bad and the Wii has plenty of good games.

triple ditto >.>

I dont mind casual and core talk but i hate when people say Nintendo needs to so this or needs to do that since what they are doing is making them a load of money

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i want a kirby wii game NAO!
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i want a kirby wii game NAO!Jdog30
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Nintendo abandoned gamers like you and me. It's time to move up. Or you can always wait for next year to see if things get any better.
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Agrees 100% with TC. For those reasons I bought an XBOX360 and I'm enjoying it way more than the wii, about time I abandoned nintendo
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I don't see why people ONLY look at Nintendo's titles. Jeese there's a lot of OTHER good Wii games out there besides ones made by Nintendo!Chojuto

Thank you. I'm playing deblob right now and it's better than every nintendo game released in the past 6 months combined.

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I am going to type up a long rant so as my friend Ike would say, "Prepare yourself!"

2008 was not a good year for the hardcore Nintendo fans. Luckily Super Smash Bros. Brawl and with some help from Mario Kart Wii gaveus hardcore gamers somewhat satisfaction. However the rest of 2008 after Brawl went downward.

At E3 I was expecting Nintendo to host a pretty good conference like the year before. Unfortunately I was severely disappointed, mostly because there were no games that appealed to the hardcore audience.

I feel as if the Wii can be something a lot better then what it is at the moment. It's often overlooked by people as a "Childish" system. However that is not the case, it appeals to all audiences. One thing about the gaming industry is that it's being fueled mostly by the shooting genre. The Wii just doesn't have the shooting games like the other two consoles have. The Wii can have great shooting games, Call of Duty 5 and Resident Evil 4 prove that the Wii is capable of doing so.

Now about the absence of the good third party games. Third party companies don't like making games for the Wii because a few weeks after the release they usually end up in the bargain bin. In my opinion I don't think that they want to try and make good third party games for the Wii, but that's just me.

Now in 2009 I hope Nintendo will release a Triple A title or even more! I haven't heard of any first party titles coming out in '09 that are hyped, but Nintendo could take advantage of a gaming drought. RELEASE popular c|assics for the Virtual Console. Or better yet finally releasing Earthbound showing that there is a huge amount of people that love to play the game and want to. Maybe then that will show them to release an Earthbound compilation on the DS with EB0, EB, and EB2. Now I'm dreaming...

Anyways the point is Nintendo needs to make 2009 the year of the hardcore audience. If 2009 isn't a good year for the Wii (I'm asking for 1 triple A title) I'm trading mine in and never looking back. We deserve it after being given hardly any hardcore titles to enjoy. Also Animal Crossing could be so much more but it's not much of an improvement to its predecessor.

I had to clear my mind of this, please post what you think as well.

SN35_2

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[QUOTE="SN35_2"]

I am going to type up a long rant so as my friend Ike would say, "Prepare yourself!"

2008 was not a good year for the hardcore Nintendo fans. Luckily Super Smash Bros. Brawl and with some help from Mario Kart Wii gave us hardcore gamers somewhat satisfaction. However the rest of 2008 after Brawl went downward.

At E3 I was expecting Nintendo to host a pretty good conference like the year before. Unfortunately I was severely disappointed, mostly because there were no games that appealed to the hardcore audience.

I feel as if the Wii can be something a lot better then what it is at the moment. It's often overlooked by people as a "Childish" system. However that is not the case, it appeals to all audiences. One thing about the gaming industry is that it's being fueled mostly by the shooting genre. The Wii just doesn't have the shooting games like the other two consoles have. The Wii can have great shooting games, Call of Duty 5 and Resident Evil 4 prove that the Wii is capable of doing so.

Now about the absence of the good third party games. Third party companies don't like making games for the Wii because a few weeks after the release they usually end up in the bargain bin. In my opinion I don't think that they want to try and make good third party games for the Wii, but that's just me.

Now in 2009 I hope Nintendo will release a Triple A title or even more! I haven't heard of any first party titles coming out in '09 that are hyped, but Nintendo could take advantage of a gaming drought. RELEASE popular c|assics for the Virtual Console. Or better yet finally releasing Earthbound showing that there is a huge amount of people that love to play the game and want to. Maybe then that will show them to release an Earthbound compilation on the DS with EB0, EB, and EB2. Now I'm dreaming...

Anyways the point is Nintendo needs to make 2009 the year of the hardcore audience. If 2009 isn't a good year for the Wii (I'm asking for 1 triple A title) I'm trading mine in and never looking back. We deserve it after being given hardly any hardcore titles to enjoy. Also Animal Crossing could be so much more but it's not much of an improvement to its predecessor.

I had to clear my mind of this, please post what you think as well.

SSBFan12

Nintendo is now a casual company. I hope they do make some games that are hardcore.

No, no, no, I agree with the OP. The control scheme for the Wii can make the games more than they already are, and they work well with the CoD5. Because of that I'd rather play CoD on the Wii than on the 360. Third Party publishers just dont realize the full potential of the Wii. And I'm looking forward to the hardcore games coming out next year, and yes, there are quite a few of them.

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lol I knew this would happen, if it werent for rabbid Nintendo fans who take whatever crap Nintendo gives them then Nintendo would strive to be better- but they dont need to because they are geniuses, Nintendo knows how to make good money and they honestly dont need you to like their stuff anymore. They gain money on every DS and Wii sold while MS and Sony lose money per console sold- everytime a title has Mario in it, it sells hundreds of thousands and even millions of units. Nintendo can afford to go casual because they are business smart and thats just the way it is, they dont need their hardcore fans- and those fans are the same fans who will buy a wii just to play Mario and Zelda, nothing else satisfys them and they try to defend their wii for years waiting for the next big 1st party title and pretending to be content. I have a wii, love it, and im even enjoying Tales of Symphonia DOTNW right now, but by no means is the system satisfying to me as a gamer by itself
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I think what hurt the Wii this gen was Porting Issues. Devs have two choices. Make a game for PS2/Wii or Make a game for PS3/Xbox360/PC. If only the Wii had more Graphic power atleast it could get more ports.
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This is why i bought a ps3 a couple months before christmas, i finally am playing games on a regular basis again... 2009 isn't looking so great for wii in my humble opinion, ps3 and 360 both have very good line ups. world at war is superior on ps3, and with the release of RE5 ( a third person title that is coming to xbox360 and ps3)and killzone 2 in Q 1 alone it is looking good for my ps3, cuz wihen you just own the wii you get gems but RARELY.

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oh lord shut up, Nintendo is the only company people epect great games out of every other month, give them time and they will give you games, 2009 looks to be the bees knees for nintend0 with the conduit, red steel 2, several nintendo games, tenchu,madworld, final fantasy, monster hunter tri- and many more, Sony has killzone 2( never been a good series, and god of war 3

both sony and ms- have final fantasy x111 resident evil-5 or re4 w/ tacked on coop

ms- has halo ODST, and halo wars

i think the winner is nintendo for good games

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oh lord shut up, Nintendo is the only company people epect great games out of every other month, give them time and they will give you games, 2009 looks to be the bees knees for nintend0 with the conduit, red steel 2, several nintendo games, tenchu,madworld, final fantasy, monster hunter tri- and many more, Sony has killzone 2( never been a good series, and god of war 3

both sony and ms- have final fantasy x111 resident evil-5 or re4 w/ tacked on coop

ms- has halo ODST, and halo wars

i think the winner is nintendo for good games

voodoo_goodoo

Thats the thing.. i think people are tired of waiting.

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#34 SN35_2
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oh lord shut up, Nintendo is the only company people epect great games out of every other month, give them time and they will give you games, 2009 looks to be the bees knees for nintend0 with the conduit, red steel 2, several nintendo games, tenchu,madworld, final fantasy, monster hunter tri- and many more, Sony has killzone 2( never been a good series, and god of war 3

both sony and ms- have final fantasy x111 resident evil-5 or re4 w/ tacked on coop

ms- has halo ODST, and halo wars

i think the winner is nintendo for good games

voodoo_goodoo
Unfortunately if a game that I don't know too much about and no one I know recommends it, I won't buy it. Most of the reviews games get for the Wii are mediocre and just look like they're not even worth renting (from reviewer's description). THAT'S why I think the WIi doesn't have the best third party titles even though I haven't played nearly enough to form an opinion about it, the reviews blind me from what those games are truly like. Like _N_R_G_ said, people ARE getting tired of waiting...
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These games are first party.

  1. Sin & Punishment 2
  2. Punch Out Wii
  3. Another Code R: Gateway of Memory
  4. Dynamic Slash
  5. Line Attack Heroes

Those games I will say is Hardcore or atleast Core.

These ones are Casual or borderline Casual.

  1. Forever Blue 2
  2. Comsic Walker
  3. Spawn Smasher
  4. Wii SPorts Resort

Nintendo still didn't announce its full line up.

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Not just them but devs in general, also 09 looks great so far.
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actually that's the main reason I bought a 360 instead of the wii, there doesn't seem to be any good games for it. I owned a gamecube for years and it had the same problem. While all my friends were having a blast on Halo 2, I was stuck playing mario sunshine. I got sick of nintendo's lack of shooters and bought a 360. Sadly there doesn't seem to be any hope on this console either. Outside of COD: WaW and Super Smash Bros. Brawl, there aren't any games that look good.