Nintendo's next console: focus on refining motion or graphical power ala 360PS3

I wanted a lot of things this gen out of all of the consoles, but hey. Thanks to the casuals, I can throw those dreams away. :(

For the Wii in this case, some deep FF like stories as well as controls that I'll care about.

I wanted a lot of things this gen out of all of the consoles, but hey. Thanks to the casuals, I can throw those dreams away. :(

For the Wii in this case, some deep FF like stories as well as controls that I'll care about.

Symphonycometh

Agreed. More traditional controls or at least the option for them like games for Wii are starting to have with Gamecube controller schemes. High Def. would be nice as well. After playing on the other 2 competing systems that I own I sometimes feel like I'm playing Sega Saturn or N64 (which were great for their time) as far as visuals are concerned. And finally, games that are more epic and provide a robust 20 hour plus experience with a good story to follow.

I would hope they try to attempt both; to refine motion controls AND supe up their hardware power. Besides having control schemes that aren't exactly precise sometimes, their main gripe with gamers is that the Wii lacks graphics on par with the current gen systems. If they take care of that next time, I don't see any forthcoming complaints, at least with the system itself.

Knowing Nintendo, they would still have motion controls in their next console, but they'd probably have some new tech that I'd never think of having in a game system. As long as they don't bring out anything like the Virtual Boy again, I'm game!

What Nintendo needs to work on isn't controls or graphics, both of those will come in time. What the big N needs work on is attracting games like grand theft auto, incorporating a hard drive for better online downloads, and complete internet communication and connection for all its games. If Nintendo had these three things, Microsoft and Sony would not exist right now.pwnjutsu

You do realize that Microsoft and Sony are megacorporations and gaming is a small division of each of them, right? Besides that odd statement that you made, you said many of other things that would be great for Nintendo to do as Microsoft has already been offering a hard drive built in since 2001 and online play since 2002. Even Sony is getting its act together and has offered a built in hard drive since 2006 and online play since 2003. There was a hard drive for the PS2, but it proved to be useless for most gamers as it only worked with like what, 1 game?

It would be great if Nintendo were to offer a service like XBOX Live that features DLC, games, movies, tv shows, demos, trailers and so much more. Here's to hoping the next Nintendo console delivers these things!

NO!!!

You remember how the Wii and DS brought in new gamers or gamers who gave up on video games. These people need to be kept buying new systems. If all the next system is, is motion controls (even if they are better) and great graphics there is no real reason for these people to buy the next system. Nintendo will lose all the people they tried so hard to get. When you walk into a nursing home with a wii and you ask them "Hey are you going to buy the Wii 2 with its motion controls and better graphics?" they will just say "Why we already have a Wii?"....Nintendo has done a great job of wowing people into buying their system but its a two edge sword because now they will have to wow them every time a new system comes out in order to keep them. Nintendo has made great success for themselves but they have also made it very very hard to keep up their own success.

The big N has set up itslef for a huge "Next Gen". The problem is the new sony and microsoft systems are just going to be wii's with huge grafic power. What nintendo needs to do is improve both controls and power but also find something that will make the wii 2 stand out, just like they did with the wii.

im expecting something like the following:

on the controller side: improved motion sensors for increased reliability. improved camera too for improved accuracy. a scroll wheel added to make selecing stuff on the fly easier. an improved button layout and more ergonomic design and more buttons and improved stick on the nunchuck. then theres other things like improved wireless tech and all that. i dont think were going to see ninty try something completly different again next gen in terms of controls.

in temrs of hardware...because the r&d costs for the controller will be much smaller now, ninty can invest in research into new tech to get the best bang per buck. i expect that it will be around half way between a PS3 and a PS4 in terms of horsepower (assuming sony keep on their normal track). we know itll be HD (ninty said it before the wiis launch). i also think itll have a HDD (hopefully upgradeable using standard HDDs) to store DD stuff. the disc drive will probably be a spin off of blu-ray (modified so that data can be retrieved faster). however u can forget somethign like movie playback....its very unlikely to happen.

after that its just a question of how much they can squeez into it for a $300 or less launch price (and with a game of course).

well we do know it is going to be a hi def system so graphics I'm not worried about, possibly a bigger flash drive than the half gig one we already have.

now for the controller nintendo could go two ways, either refine the wii remote so it would have a faster respond time, or make a brand new controller that not only has motion sensing but heat sensitivity and pressure sensitivity.

or they will suprise us and get rid of controllers completely and we use our minds.

Both the next Wii or Wii2 will most likely be on par the the ps4 and xbox720 in terms of graphics and hardware. The motion controls as well as the controler will be refined. Knowing Nintendo the next system will be lower priced than the competition too.umcommon

The chances of the next Nintendo system being called "Wii 2" are about as good as the next Microsoft system being called "XBOX 720". Also, more games are being released now that feature control schemes that use the Gamecube and Classic controllers. That probably has something to do with the difficulty in controlling certain games with the Wii-mote and Nunchuk. Especially if the games use 6 buttons or just don't feel right with the Wii-mote. This is more limited to fighting games imo.

Wii Sports totally nails the motion controls perfectly, so when a game has poor motion controls it is the fault of the developer, not Nintendo. I do agree with you that the next console from Nintendo will feature some kind of improvement to the motion controls, but it's way too early to speculate on things that are years away.

I would go for graphics personally, I like the motion stuffs as of now, (some parts could be better, but....)

I agree with those who said they'd like longer games, too.

As I said before, graphics would be nice, but graphics don't matter as much to me as the game/gameplay itself... I hope that makes sense.

Would you want Nintendo to focus their time and energy in refining the motion control aspects of gaming in their next console or are the raw horsepower that it can deliver when playing games traditionally. Or would you want Nintendo to abandon the motion control aspects entirely? Tell me what you think.bphan

Miyamoto has already stated in a video that the Wii will be HD next-gen.

I would like to see exactly how much horsepower this will get. The motion controls seem to work fine when used accordingly.

Hardware upgrade is not something that requires a huge amount of R&D (Unless you're Sony). You say, ok...what's available...now what is somewhat affordable...now what parts will work best together...Ok done...

The controls will definitely see some fine tuning...

A HDD will probably be included...

Friend codes will probably become a bit friendlier...

BC will continue to set the standard...

DD will probably play a much larger role...
(in general there will be a greater focus on the online experience)

So yeah...the Wii basically came out of left field. There wasn't anything to set as a benchmark. Now that there is, they will find all the little tweaks that will make it just that much better.

WHAT I THINK THEY'LL DO: I think they will keep working on the motion controls, possibly improving, possibly screwing it up, who knows, and focus more around that.

WHAT I WANT THEM TO DO: I want them to keep motion sensitivity where it is, and include it with the next system, but not base the system off it. The Wii is fun and all, but I prefer traditional gameplay, notice how most Wii games (9.9/10 Wii games) force you in some way to motion sensitivity: Wii Sports, Zelda:TP, Mario Galaxy... the only game I can name for the Wii off the top of my head that DOESN't utilize motion sensitive technology (or at least doesn't pigeonhole you into using it) is SSBB (thank lord).

Hardware upgrade is not something that requires a huge amount of R&D (Unless you're Sony). You say, ok...what's available...now what is somewhat affordable...now what parts will work best together...Ok done...

The controls will definitely see some fine tuning...

A HDD will probably be included...

Friend codes will probably become a bit friendlier...

BC will continue to set the standard...

DD will probably play a much larger role...
(in general there will be a greater focus on the online experience)

So yeah...the Wii basically came out of left field. There wasn't anything to set as a benchmark. Now that there is, they will find all the little tweaks that will make it just that much better.

effthat

oh no...nono. console manufacturers dont just look at off the shelf components and start picking and choosing (especially if ure ninty). since this is the wii forum, lets take a look at the wii. the GPU is completly custom built....that tech is not available for any other platform nor has it ever been. there have been technologies similar to it (closest being a geforce 2) but i cant buy a GPU thats the same as the wiis. the CPU is basically an IBM power PC based chip but it has been modified and retooled for games operations. the motherboard is a completly custom built piece with custom bus tech and custom inter component comms standards. it has next to nothing in common with an off the shelf PC motherboard.

designing a new console takes years. u need to plan for the future and look at not only the tech available today but future tech that might become available and how it could be implemented into a console. u need too look at effiecency and reliability. u need too look at tech that can offer an excellent bang per buck (even if its not an industry standard unified shader system but something completly different and perhaps a bit crazy). u need too look at fitting it all in the case and keeping it cool too. and then theres the software part of it...what APIs are u going to use...what are u going to add and take away from them. the software to get the hardware to operate also has to be fully developed and tested (which can take an age..especially when looking at brand new high powered tech). then theres making sure that everythign is balanced, no component is holding the rest of the machine back. and that all needs to be done while keeping the retail price down.

its alot harder than picking some available tech that works well together now or a couple of years from now. id discuss the other consoles also but this is the wii forum.

We all naturally want both. Refined motion controls and a stronger machine. Yet, Nintendo has a way of throwing the rule book out the window. Maybe they are focusing on something we haven't seen yet and the Wii is just a preview, a beta machine if you will to see if people were ready to accept a change. Whatever Nintendo does, I am sure it will turn heads.

I believe Nintendo will continue its use of motion controls and upgrade its hardware to allow for more graphical power. I'm hoping they will stop Friend Codes and utilize voice chat as well.

i think nintendo should work on games. ive had a wii for over a yr n currently only own 4 games, i havent traded ne in either. but they also need to make a controller like b4. it would b nice if they had the option to pick between motion sensor or a normal controller in the games itself.

btw, the next nintendo system is goin to b called, "Us" n u will b able to create "Yous"

Hardware upgrade is not something that requires a huge amount of R&D (Unless you're Sony). You say, ok...what's available...now what is somewhat affordable...now what parts will work best together...Ok done...

The controls will definitely see some fine tuning...

A HDD will probably be included...

Friend codes will probably become a bit friendlier...

BC will continue to set the standard...

DD will probably play a much larger role...
(in general there will be a greater focus on the online experience)

So yeah...the Wii basically came out of left field. There wasn't anything to set as a benchmark. Now that there is, they will find all the little tweaks that will make it just that much better.

effthat

Ok, hardware is hard when you are trying to fit everything in something the size of a regular DVD drive and keeping it cool all at the same time.

im guessing they're going to do both -- kinda like how they've done it for all their consoles before.
NES - innovative
SNES - builds upon previous console
N64 - innovative
gamecube - builds upon it
Wii - innovative
Wii 2 - builds upon it.

One thing for sute, they need to get rid of all those controllers and make something that works for every genre.Wintry_Flutist

I couldn't agree more! I kinda despise using 4 different controller configurations myself. (Wiimote, Wiimote with Nunchuk, Wiimote with Classic Controller, Gamecube Controller) But say, isn't that dangerous talk around these parts? *looks over shoulder for fanboys*

Seeing as the next console wont be announced for another 4-5 years and be released in about 5-6 years its hard to say. Im hoping for both.Lunar52

Your very off on that. Ps1 came out in america in 1995. Ps2- 2000. Xbox 360- 2005. Guess what? Its 2008, so the next console generation has a very good chance of making it out in 2010. With some announces floating around next year. Seriously, its hard to believe its nearly time again. Compare the best console looking game to crysis. Sure, crysis owns it, but the console game really holds its own.

But if Nintendo does anything, they'll probably put an improved 360-like power wise console in the next system. Though, I betcha they'll keep the wii name, and they may make a new controller with more buttons. Still be similar to the wii controller though.

Nintendo has always built consoles that are both relatively cheap and immediately profitable. This is at complete odds with how the PS3 and 360 were made... expensive and sold at a loss. If Sony and Microsoft choose to employ the same strategy next gen as they did this one, you can be practically certain Nintendo will not try to compete in horsepower.

I'm hoping for both.

NO!!!

You remember how the Wii and DS brought in new gamers or gamers who gave up on video games. These people need to be kept buying new systems. If all the next system is, is motion controls (even if they are better) and great graphics there is no real reason for these people to buy the next system. Nintendo will lose all the people they tried so hard to get. When you walk into a nursing home with a wii and you ask them "Hey are you going to buy the Wii 2 with its motion controls and better graphics?" they will just say "Why we already have a Wii?"....Nintendo has done a great job of wowing people into buying their system but its a two edge sword because now they will have to wow them every time a new system comes out in order to keep them. Nintendo has made great success for themselves but they have also made it very very hard to keep up their own success.

ag1052

no one has offered a response to my earlier post in this thread... [QUOTE="ag1052"]

NO!!!

You remember how the Wii and DS brought in new gamers or gamers who gave up on video games. These people need to be kept buying new systems. If all the next system is, is motion controls (even if they are better) and great graphics there is no real reason for these people to buy the next system. Nintendo will lose all the people they tried so hard to get. When you walk into a nursing home with a wii and you ask them "Hey are you going to buy the Wii 2 with its motion controls and better graphics?" they will just say "Why we already have a Wii?"....Nintendo has done a great job of wowing people into buying their system but its a two edge sword because now they will have to wow them every time a new system comes out in order to keep them. Nintendo has made great success for themselves but they have also made it very very hard to keep up their own success.

ag1052

I would like them to bump up the graphic power to at the leat a 360 if not that more

Need to keep the motion controls for games such as FPS, Mini-games, and other games and make a different controler for fighting games, possibly certain sport games, and other games thatdo not work well with motion.

If they do not keep the motion control then I think it would be too much like the other systems so they really need to keep them.

[QUOTE="ag1052"]no one has offered a response to my earlier post in this thread... [QUOTE="ag1052"]

NO!!!

You remember how the Wii and DS brought in new gamers or gamers who gave up on video games. These people need to be kept buying new systems. If all the next system is, is motion controls (even if they are better) and great graphics there is no real reason for these people to buy the next system. Nintendo will lose all the people they tried so hard to get. When you walk into a nursing home with a wii and you ask them "Hey are you going to buy the Wii 2 with its motion controls and better graphics?" they will just say "Why we already have a Wii?"....Nintendo has done a great job of wowing people into buying their system but its a two edge sword because now they will have to wow them every time a new system comes out in order to keep them. Nintendo has made great success for themselves but they have also made it very very hard to keep up their own success.

raahsnavj

To some extent though, those that have mentioned they need another 'big something' to sell the next gen are probably right. Other than that the only thing that causes to people to upgrade is the inability to buy something new on the old system.raahsnavj

I really think the only way to keep both the gamer and the first time console owner is to one do what the gamer wants with better graphics and tighter/better controls and two do what the casuals would love to make the wii 2 what the wii was suppose to be, much more than a gaming machine, but in a practical way instead of how the wii has turned out.

Edit: Oh and somehow do all that at an affordable price...