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First of all, I want to say, that Nintendo has done great with the Wii right now, outselling both it's competitors handily. It seems that their "blue-ocean strategy" has worked very well so far. However, I think, thats not to say, that it is perfect. Many times, Nintendo has considered themseleves equal to Apple, and the Wii to the iPod line. Which, to an extent, may be true. But, the major difference that Nintendo and Apple has, is that, while Apple comes out with new verisons of the iPod just about every year, Nintendo is stuck with the same console for about 5-7 years. (This is why I think, the DS has been successful, it has changed in the last two years and is a hot item... Plus, rumors are spinning that, Nintendo has already remade the DS Lite) Now, the blue-ocean strategy works for only so long, because eventually, (if Nintendo's strategy works 100%), everyone would become a gamer. (With that being said, I know that 100% of people are NOT going to become gamers, but keep reading to see what I think Nintendo needs to fix.) So, now that everyone's a gamer, the simple, mini-game, casual-friendly games, will no longer satisfy those gamers that Nintendo converted over. People will be looking for something else, maybe next time around, (the NEXT-generation) they won't go for Nintendo's console, but instead, they may choose, a PS4, XBOX 720. This is why within a year or two, Nintendo may need to change their strategy to recruiting, "new-gamers" or "casual gamers" to, trying to KEEP them, by providing slightly more difficult games, or something. Basically, to sum this up, Nintendo needs to keep the ball rolling, by continuing to lead the industry in innovation. Wii Fit for example, is something that is new and something that no one has done before, however, just like WiiSports, after a while, it'll eventually get boring, and I think that Nintendo needs to make games that don't follow this pattern of, "fun for a while, then gets boring." Nintendo's popularity may be back, maybe even back to it's glory days, and this is a great thing, but if Nintendo wants to stay on top, they need to do the following 4 steps:

They need to continue attracting new gamers, both old and young, as well as those females.

They need to remove the image of Nintendo being for "kids" and "babies".

They need to provide innovation to set an example to other competitors.

And most of all, they NEED to keep the hard-core gamers happy, by NOT messing with the games we love. By messing with Zelda, Mario and Metroid and making them more appealing to the casual-gamers, they take away games that are meant for us. (The casual gamers have their games, they have WiiSports, WiiFit, WarioWare, and plenty of others.) Also, they need to implent better online options, and remove friend codes, its really a waste of time. Oh, and get with the program, we need microphones!

If Nintendo can follow these steps, I see no reason that Nintendo can't remain on top for many many years to come... However, if they fall into the Sony/EA mindset, which is, "we're on top, and nothing bad can happen to us" Nintendo is in for a shock...

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#4 wiretoss
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o_o I read it.

Waste of my time honestly. This is like... SUCH a stretch to think about no on the 'inside'.
Links please for the apple comparison please.

Oh and are you suggesting there will be a new 'wii' every :/ 2 years or something?
o_o LOL

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Oh noes teh danger!!1

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read the 1st paragraph

its pretty intresting since its like its building like a trap for themselves its either they move on to hardcore gaming or stay the same path

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Oh and are you suggesting there will be a new 'wii' every :/ 2 years or something?

wiretoss

no, no, I'm simply saying the reason the DS (and every other handheld Nintendo has made) is popular is because they continue to change it up every couple of years, just like Apple does :)

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Links please for the apple comparison please.

wiretoss

here, take whichever you'd like:

This one is stupid but, it works

here are the real ones:

here's the first

this one is iffy

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First of all, I want to say, that Nintendo has done great with the Wii right now, outselling both it's competitors handily. It seems that their "blue-ocean strategy" has worked very well so far. However, I think, thats not to say, that it is perfect. Many times, Nintendo has considered themseleves equal to Apple, and the Wii to the iPod line. Which, to an extent, may be true. But, the major difference that Nintendo and Apple has, is that, while Apple comes out with new verisons of the iPod just about every year, Nintendo is stuck with the same console for about 5-7 years. (This is why I think, the DS has been successful, it has changed in the last two years and is a hot item... Plus, rumors are spinning that, Nintendo has already remade the DS Lite) Now, the blue-ocean strategy works for only so long, because eventually, (if Nintendo's strategy works 100%), everyone would become a gamer. (With that being said, I know that 100% of people are NOT going to become gamers, but keep reading to see what I think Nintendo needs to fix.) So, now that everyone's a gamer, the simple, mini-game, casual-friendly games, will no longer satisfy those gamers that Nintendo converted over. People will be looking for something else, maybe next time around, (the NEXT-generation) they won't go for Nintendo's console, but instead, they may choose, a PS4, XBOX 720. This is why within a year or two, Nintendo may need to change their strategy to recruiting, "new-gamers" or "casual gamers" to, trying to KEEP them, by providing slightly more difficult games, or something. Basically, to sum this up, Nintendo needs to keep the ball rolling, by continuing to lead the industry in innovation. Wii Fit for example, is something that is new and something that no one has done before, however, just like WiiSports, after a while, it'll eventually get boring, and I think that Nintendo needs to make games that don't follow this pattern of, "fun for a while, then gets boring." Nintendo's popularity may be back, maybe even back to it's glory days, and this is a great thing, but if Nintendo wants to stay on top, they need to do the following 4 steps:

They need to continue attracting new gamers, both old and young, as well as those females.

They need to remove the image of Nintendo being for "kids" and "babies".

They need to provide innovation to set an example to other competitors.

And most of all, they NEED to keep the hard-core gamers happy, by NOT messing with the games we love. By messing with Zelda, Mario and Metroid and making them more appealing to the casual-gamers, they take away games that are meant for us. (The casual gamers have their games, they have WiiSports, WiiFit, WarioWare, and plenty of others.) Also, they need to implent better online options, and remove friend codes, its really a waste of time. Oh, and get with the program, we need microphones!

If Nintendo can follow these steps, I see no reason that Nintendo can't remain on top for many many years to come... However, if they fall into the Sony/EA mindset, which is, "we're on top, and nothing bad can happen to us" Nintendo is in for a shock...

remmbermytitans

I didn't bother to read all of this, but I skimmed through and understand your point. However, I think it may be a while before the new 'casual' gamer will 'graduate' to playing traditional complex games if ever. It's traditonal gaming that has kept casual gamers away from video games to begin with.

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Yeah but no one I know buys a new iPod EVERY SINGLE YEAR... so why would you want a new game console every year? Just get a computer then... much easier to upgrade...

I'm not worried about Nintendo in the least, I think they understand the bussiness. No one is perfect though.

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#11 remmbermytitans
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[QUOTE="remmbermytitans"]

First of all, I want to say, that Nintendo has done great with the Wii right now, outselling both it's competitors handily. It seems that their "blue-ocean strategy" has worked very well so far. However, I think, thats not to say, that it is perfect. Many times, Nintendo has considered themseleves equal to Apple, and the Wii to the iPod line. Which, to an extent, may be true. But, the major difference that Nintendo and Apple has, is that, while Apple comes out with new verisons of the iPod just about every year, Nintendo is stuck with the same console for about 5-7 years. (This is why I think, the DS has been successful, it has changed in the last two years and is a hot item... Plus, rumors are spinning that, Nintendo has already remade the DS Lite) Now, the blue-ocean strategy works for only so long, because eventually, (if Nintendo's strategy works 100%), everyone would become a gamer. (With that being said, I know that 100% of people are NOT going to become gamers, but keep reading to see what I think Nintendo needs to fix.) So, now that everyone's a gamer, the simple, mini-game, casual-friendly games, will no longer satisfy those gamers that Nintendo converted over. People will be looking for something else, maybe next time around, (the NEXT-generation) they won't go for Nintendo's console, but instead, they may choose, a PS4, XBOX 720. This is why within a year or two, Nintendo may need to change their strategy to recruiting, "new-gamers" or "casual gamers" to, trying to KEEP them, by providing slightly more difficult games, or something. Basically, to sum this up, Nintendo needs to keep the ball rolling, by continuing to lead the industry in innovation. Wii Fit for example, is something that is new and something that no one has done before, however, just like WiiSports, after a while, it'll eventually get boring, and I think that Nintendo needs to make games that don't follow this pattern of, "fun for a while, then gets boring." Nintendo's popularity may be back, maybe even back to it's glory days, and this is a great thing, but if Nintendo wants to stay on top, they need to do the following 4 steps:

They need to continue attracting new gamers, both old and young, as well as those females.

They need to remove the image of Nintendo being for "kids" and "babies".

They need to provide innovation to set an example to other competitors.

And most of all, they NEED to keep the hard-core gamers happy, by NOT messing with the games we love. By messing with Zelda, Mario and Metroid and making them more appealing to the casual-gamers, they take away games that are meant for us. (The casual gamers have their games, they have WiiSports, WiiFit, WarioWare, and plenty of others.) Also, they need to implent better online options, and remove friend codes, its really a waste of time. Oh, and get with the program, we need microphones!

If Nintendo can follow these steps, I see no reason that Nintendo can't remain on top for many many years to come... However, if they fall into the Sony/EA mindset, which is, "we're on top, and nothing bad can happen to us" Nintendo is in for a shock...

Tri-Enforcer

I didn't bother to read all of this, but I skimmed through and understand your point. However, I think it may be a while before the new 'casual' gamer will 'graduate' to playing traditional complex games if ever. It's traditonal gaming that has kept casual gamers away from video games to begin with.

true, but after a while, if they continue to play, they are no longer casual, they becoming "core" gamers... and yeah, i know this is worst-case scenario, but, it is still very possible, and I don't want my next mario or zelda becoming ridicously easy

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Yeah but no one I know buys a new iPod EVERY SINGLE YEAR... so why would you want a new game console every year? Just get a computer then... much easier to upgrade...

I'm not worried about Nintendo in the least, I think they understand the bussiness. No one is perfect though.

l8bitz

you mised my point, i was saying, that the reason Apple's blue-ocean strategy works, is because they have new iPods just about every year, giving people more options, Nintendo on the other hand, only has one option, and is made new every 5-7 years, so their blue-ocean strategy, can work so much...

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I'm sure Nintendo can handle things.
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#14 mariokart64fan
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um news flash consoles and ipods are different,, ipod is a music player period,, the wii doesnt need to change , its the games and accessories that make wii what it is ,, not new consoles every yr
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i do not think nintendo targets the same age group as the 360. yes its true they like to have adults and all ages play but that is not thier target group. i do not see any danger because once a group grows up or moves on (becomes hardcore if you will) a new young group will move in to take thier place.

just my opinion. ive been wrong before.

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I don't think Nintendo really has too change what they're doing too much. They're doing an incredible job of appealing to new gamers, while still putting out titles for the core gamers. The biggest thing they'll need to do, is bring out MORE titles that are more geared toward the hardcore. Because, I consider myself a core gamer, and just about everything that appeals to me that the Wii is putting out, is Mario, Zelda, and Metroid. Those are really the only games that can really appeal to a core gamer. Obviously there are others, bu those are the main ones. As of right now the ONLY game I own for my Wii is Twilight Princess, and the only other games I'm anxiously wanting to own, is Mario Galaxy and Metriod Prime 3. If they brought out more games that were more meant for the hardcore, the system would be keeping fans of all types happy. I love Nintendo to death, and I love the Zelda's (My favorite gaming franchise ever) and the Mario's and Metroid's, but out of the 3 major players in the industry I have to say that the 360 is the console that appeals most to me, because that is the platform that is most catered towards hardcore gaming, and it's got quite a few great games. Like Gears of War, Halo, Oblivion, and most recently The Orange Box, Assassin's Creed, and Mass Effect. So really, it doesn't have too much to do with the Wii itself, it's more about the software. For example, I'm not even considering buying and PS3 right now. Not in the least. Why? Because they don't have any GREAT games for it, that you can't get on the 360. Just about eve)ry game on the PS3 that's worth anything, is on the 360 as well, and the 360 has more exclusive titles that are great then the PS3 does. I will only buy a PS3 when MGS4 is released. So really, Nintendo just needs to put out more hardcore titles to stay as successful as it is now. The casual players have enough titles geared towards them, but the hardcore are pretty much left in the dust. Like I said, only 3 games that are currently released appeal to me, while the 360 has a hell of a lot more. I still love Nintendo to death, and is why I waited in line at Wal-mart for 18 hours to be the first in my city to own a Wii, and I still don't own a 360. But it will be my next major purchase. (Just to be clear, I'm not trying to start a system war or anything. Everything I brought up about the other consoles is just to be used as a comparison to better explain my view on this topic.
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I know exactly where you're coming from because I have pondered such things as well. However, I think the ipod comparison was just used as an analogy of what they're doing in the gaming world. Music is a whole different story as opposed to gaming. oh btw... even though I read all of that... I recommend some line breaks. just because it's easier on the eyes :)

And most of all, they NEED to keep the hard-core gamers happy, by NOT messing with the games we love. By messing with Zelda, Mario and Metroid and making them more appealing to the casual-gamers, they take away games that are meant for us. (The casual gamers have their games, they have WiiSports, WiiFit, WarioWare, and plenty of others.)

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heh... they should do something like... The Legend of Zelda: Phantom Princess - Hardcore edition Super Mario Fourth Dimension - Casual edition Hyper Metroid - Average edition :P:P:P
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Trauma Center is one of the most hardcore games out recently, have you played that beast?

Or are you perhaps referring to casualcore when you say hardcore? The Halo Madden GTA crap geared at casuals who love them some minimalist updates and vanilla shooting.

I also believe you mixed up nongamer and casual, they are NOT synonymous.

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I'm meaning that those types of games are gear toward people who spend a great deal of their time gaming, as opposed to the people who only game every so often. Halo, with it's online multiplayer, can last someone a hell of a long time, where as something like Wii Sports or WarioWare don't last too long for someone who plays video games a lot. Yes, I know Halo is just a mindless shooter, and it's really, really overrated, but it was just used as an example. And I hate madden, so that didn't even register with me. My point was, that the 360 brings out more games that are more complex then the Wii does. The majority of games out on the Wii are targeting casual players, and non-gamers, and are decently simple. I'm not saying the Wii has ZERO titles that a more hardcore gamer can get into, and really enjoy. But there aren't many, that are great games. As Nintendo stands right now, they do have some games for each type of gamer out there, and the ones that are geared toward the more hardcore, the major titles, are amazing. I'd take Metroid over Halo any day. Zelda over Assassin's Creed. The games that Nintendo bring out to appeal to long-time gamers are amazing. I'm just saying that if they would bring out more that are at that level of greatness, they would keep their top spot easily. Once Smash Bros. and Mario Kart are out, I can't really think of any other games that will be coming out in the near future that seem like they will be very good.. A ig reason WHY the 360 has so many great titles, is because there's so much 3rd party support, from great developers. Bioware, Ubisoft, which constantly put out great games. Yes, I know that technically, Nintendo has a lot of 3rd party support, but those devs aren't bring out anything really good. If they had BETTER 3rd party support, which would give the wii tons more better games, they would be made in the shade. And I think in the near future, some good devs will catch on to how great the Wii can be for their games. The possibilities for controls are a lot more interesting then a gamepad, and I think devs will want to explore what great things they can achieve with the Wii, since Nintendo themselves have proven that truly amazing gaming is possibly on the Wii.
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They need to continue attracting new gamers, both old and young, as well as those females.

Nintendo has done a good job here, you mentioned wii sports and this coming year wii play. They also have the brain age and warioware series. Nintendo is doing an excellent job of catering to this market beyond price tag, it doesn't seem to show signs of stopping.

They need to remove the image of Nintendo being for "kids" and "babies"

This one is tough to do especially when all their major franchise games have that stigma even if they don't warrant it. For Nintendo to do this they'd really have to up their marketing on adult driven games. Any smart Nintendo gamer knows there are several mature rated games that come out on any given Nintendo system, but this messege isn't sent to the general public. (Wii already has Manhunt 2, Resident Evil 4 and RE:UC if not more)

They need to provide innovation to set an example to other competitors.

I believe this has been happening as well. Mario Galaxy, Metroid Prime 3 have done a great job of showing how to use the controls on the system. In fact, Medal of Honor Heroes 2 has apparently improved on that design and so they are showing each other. Games like Warioware and Wii Play are showing this innovation once more. Brawl is innovating as well in showing what can be put into a game and the online content that can go into one.

Unless Nintendo does a major shift in how they operate, they seem to be following all of this nicely.

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I disagree
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First of all, I want to say, that Nintendo has done great with the Wii right now, outselling both it's competitors handily. It seems that their "blue-ocean strategy" has worked very well so far. However, I think, thats not to say, that it is perfect. Many times, Nintendo has considered themseleves equal to Apple, and the Wii to the iPod line. Which, to an extent, may be true. But, the major difference that Nintendo and Apple has, is that, while Apple comes out with new verisons of the iPod just about every year, Nintendo is stuck with the same console for about 5-7 years. (This is why I think, the DS has been successful, it has changed in the last two years and is a hot item... Plus, rumors are spinning that, Nintendo has already remade the DS Lite) Now, the blue-ocean strategy works for only so long, because eventually, (if Nintendo's strategy works 100%), everyone would become a gamer. (With that being said, I know that 100% of people are NOT going to become gamers, but keep reading to see what I think Nintendo needs to fix.) So, now that everyone's a gamer, the simple, mini-game, casual-friendly games, will no longer satisfy those gamers that Nintendo converted over. People will be looking for something else, maybe next time around, (the NEXT-generation) they won't go for Nintendo's console, but instead, they may choose, a PS4, XBOX 720. This is why within a year or two, Nintendo may need to change their strategy to recruiting, "new-gamers" or "casual gamers" to, trying to KEEP them, by providing slightly more difficult games, or something. Basically, to sum this up, Nintendo needs to keep the ball rolling, by continuing to lead the industry in innovation. Wii Fit for example, is something that is new and something that no one has done before, however, just like WiiSports, after a while, it'll eventually get boring, and I think that Nintendo needs to make games that don't follow this pattern of, "fun for a while, then gets boring." Nintendo's popularity may be back, maybe even back to it's glory days, and this is a great thing, but if Nintendo wants to stay on top, they need to do the following 4 steps:

They need to continue attracting new gamers, both old and young, as well as those females.

They need to remove the image of Nintendo being for "kids" and "babies".

They need to provide innovation to set an example to other competitors.

And most of all, they NEED to keep the hard-core gamers happy, by NOT messing with the games we love. By messing with Zelda, Mario and Metroid and making them more appealing to the casual-gamers, they take away games that are meant for us. (The casual gamers have their games, they have WiiSports, WiiFit, WarioWare, and plenty of others.) Also, they need to implent better online options, and remove friend codes, its really a waste of time. Oh, and get with the program, we need microphones!

If Nintendo can follow these steps, I see no reason that Nintendo can't remain on top for many many years to come... However, if they fall into the Sony/EA mindset, which is, "we're on top, and nothing bad can happen to us" Nintendo is in for a shock...

remmbermytitans

Besides the sheer length of this post, it was almost unreadable because of your improper use of commas.

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#23 Okami_Link
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First, neither Sony or Microsoft comes out with new versions of the Playstation and the XBox every year so there is no reason to nintendo do that

Second, who said that the wii games are only for kids? Are you forgeting Resident Evil, Metroid, Trauma Center?

I really think you should think before writing nosense.

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#25 Camble
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There are bound to be games in the next couple of years that revitalize the gimmick. No More Heroes is a game that could be great, Smash Bros. might cause a frenzy like we've never seen, and other games that we haven't even heard of could blow our expectations out of the water. I don't know why, but even a year into its lifespan, this Christmas seems like the Wii launch season as much as last year. My point is, its still pretty new, and there are very few third party developed games, and few games in general. I for one am patiently awaiting better games.
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#26 gamerfreak13
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My eyes!!! Paragraphs, for goodness sake man, paragraphs.

But anyway, I see your point. Won't there always be non-gamers to convert? Unless people are born gamers in the future and everyone plays games, I don't think Nintendo will have a hard time.

I do agree though that the Wii does seem very shallow to me, and very few games actually hold me in. I wish they would cater to their hardcore audience more.

But also, it is the 3rd party developer's job to make more hardcore games. The only Wii games I own are 1st party ones, because they are the most hardcore of what the Wii has to offer. It's up to the 3rd parties to make hardcore games as well.

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First of all, I want to say, that Nintendo has done great with the Wii right now, outselling both it's competitors handily. It seems that their "blue-ocean strategy" has worked very well so far. However, I think, thats not to say, that it is perfect. Many times, Nintendo has considered themseleves equal to Apple, and the Wii to the iPod line. Which, to an extent, may be true. But, the major difference that Nintendo and Apple has, is that, while Apple comes out with new verisons of the iPod just about every year, Nintendo is stuck with the same console for about 5-7 years. (This is why I think, the DS has been successful, it has changed in the last two years and is a hot item... Plus, rumors are spinning that, Nintendo has already remade the DS Lite) Now, the blue-ocean strategy works for only so long, because eventually, (if Nintendo's strategy works 100%), everyone would become a gamer. (With that being said, I know that 100% of people are NOT going to become gamers, but keep reading to see what I think Nintendo needs to fix.) So, now that everyone's a gamer, the simple, mini-game, casual-friendly games, will no longer satisfy those gamers that Nintendo converted over. People will be looking for something else, maybe next time around, (the NEXT-generation) they won't go for Nintendo's console, but instead, they may choose, a PS4, XBOX 720. This is why within a year or two, Nintendo may need to change their strategy to recruiting, "new-gamers" or "casual gamers" to, trying to KEEP them, by providing slightly more difficult games, or something. Basically, to sum this up, Nintendo needs to keep the ball rolling, by continuing to lead the industry in innovation. Wii Fit for example, is something that is new and something that no one has done before, however, just like WiiSports, after a while, it'll eventually get boring, and I think that Nintendo needs to make games that don't follow this pattern of, "fun for a while, then gets boring." Nintendo's popularity may be back, maybe even back to it's glory days, and this is a great thing, but if Nintendo wants to stay on top, they need to do the following 4 steps:

They need to continue attracting new gamers, both old and young, as well as those females.

They need to remove the image of Nintendo being for "kids" and "babies".

They need to provide innovation to set an example to other competitors.

And most of all, they NEED to keep the hard-core gamers happy, by NOT messing with the games we love. By messing with Zelda, Mario and Metroid and making them more appealing to the casual-gamers, they take away games that are meant for us. (The casual gamers have their games, they have WiiSports, WiiFit, WarioWare, and plenty of others.) Also, they need to implent better online options, and remove friend codes, its really a waste of time. Oh, and get with the program, we need microphones!

If Nintendo can follow these steps, I see no reason that Nintendo can't remain on top for many many years to come... However, if they fall into the Sony/EA mindset, which is, "we're on top, and nothing bad can happen to us" Nintendo is in for a shock...

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Nintendos fine!!! plus nintendos trying to reach out to older audiences by trying new things by making diasater day of crisis which if anyone doesn't know is coming out in early 2008.
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#28 SapSacPrime
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No i think you are wrong, the people who buy the Wii purely for the party games and play ds for soduku (or whatever) aren't going to suddenly start appearing in FPS clans, party games =/= gateway to hardcore games.

I don't think Nintendo has too much of a problem with casual gamers, they are fickle but they are unlikely to trade to a xbox or ps, there is more chance they wont buy a console. Its the hardcore gamer Nintendo has to keep happy, and they don't seem to be doing to bad at that either so far.

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#29 Gally66
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well done tell nintendo that, they'll like to hear that stuff. You should go into buisness someday.
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#30 peterwantspie
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Hot poop, can people please stop quoting the guy's entire post and then complaing about how big it was. Now, regarding the actual points being made; any business is eventually going to have the problem of catering to a saturated market if they were so popular that everybody bought their product, but

A) As you said,that would never happen and

B) Come on, man, have nintendo let you down before? As well as having some of the best games designing minds in the world Nintendo also have some of the finest business savvy, and they're not the sort to let the buyers slip away. More third party support will cater for the hardcore while Nintendo increase their home base with more and more casual gamers being welcomed to the fold.

The comparisons with Ipod etc are pretty unfounded in one sense becausethey imply that everyone with an Ipod buys the new version every time one comes out, which just isn't true. However Apple aren't selling a product; they're selling an image, and in the same way Nintendo are no longer just a greasy little games company working away in the corner of a (comparitively) niche market, they're selling FUN in a small white box.

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#31 Travo_basic
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[QUOTE="wiretoss"]

Oh and are you suggesting there will be a new 'wii' every :/ 2 years or something?

remmbermytitans

no, no, I'm simply saying the reason the DS (and every other handheld Nintendo has made) is popular is because they continue to change it up every couple of years, just like Apple does :)

You never know. there might be a redesign for the Wii in a year or two. Maybe, finally, new colors.

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#32 monty_4256
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you made one stupid error, nintendo may have converting some people to gaming, but that doesn't mean they are a hardcore gamer
hardcore gamers are those who play games as more than a way to waste time, as kind of like an english literary professor reading a book.
While he may be able to convert people to reading, it doesn't make them instantly or ever become fellow literary professors
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#33 Jaysonguy
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This is just more of the endless bigotry I see weekly on here

It's crazy how one console has done so much to divide some people into camps.

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#34 Madmangamer364
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An interesting topic you have going here. I have to say that some of your points are indeed valid and are things that Nintendo should keep its eyes on. However, I can't say that Nintendo's strategy is really that much risker than anyone else's at the moment in the gaming industry. While it is true that Nintendo owes a lot of it success on the "casual and non-gamer" that it has decided to focus a great deal of attention to, that doesn't completelyexplain why the systems continue to sell so great. What Nintendo has also done is try to encourage all gamers, regardless of experience, to join in. That's the reason why we continue to see the big names. That's why things like the Vitrual Console were introduced. And despite what some may say about Nintendo's online strategy, Nintendo has become more serious about the possiblities of online gaming in recent years.

To put a spin on your topic title, I thinkthe entire video game industry is walking down a dangerous path right now. With every passing gaming generation, it only seems to become harder to be a gamer. Because most consoles tend to put so much emphisis on trying to take over the living room, instead of just becoming a part of it, they're only become harder to afford for the average consumer. That's not to mention the fact that it's harder to succeed in this industry than it was years ago because the cost of developing games have only gone higher. Due to this, game publishers are often afraid to take risks. And while this may not be too big of a deal now, it could come back to haunt the industry, unless someone decides to do something different. At this moment, that someone has been Nintendo. Nintendo's entire strategy seems to focus more on simplicity for consumers and developers. It's not the perfect solution, but nothing is.

As for Nintendo's franchises, I don't expect them to change much. So far, the Wii has only managed to enhance the experience for the Mario, Metroid, and Zelda fans out there while keeping the gameplay mechanics that we know and love intact. If anything, I'm paying a bit more attention to what Nintendo can do in terms of creating new properties. I think that's what will help push the Wii and DS for years to come. I expect Nintendo to keep trying to push the bar, but at the same time, not overdo things to the point where long time fans are lost.

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all they want to do is make the industry more mainstream, and not keep it isolated to 'hardcores' which is beneficial to everyone
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#36 pierst179
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You made a very interesting point. But there is always a chance that those casual gamers will keep on being casual.

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#37 MooCowRocks
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I actually hate how Apple comes out with new iPods so often, because it makes me not want to buy one if I know a better one will come out later at the same price :(

I'd rather they'd come out with bigger upgrades at longer intervals of time.

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#38 Jayesler12
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i bet Apple is going to make a console O_o i think the nexgen will be alot better for nintendo. they will see from there mistakes and fix them since they have so much money...(the wii and DS are top-sellers). but i think the DS or possibly DS2 will have some competition between Microsoft because i've heard rumors(most likely true) that Microsoft is making a handheld system. and it seems practical since Microsoft is making so much money as well with the xbox 360 like xbox live, marketplace, arcade games etc. they could probably make money with a handheld system.

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#39 remmbermytitans
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B) Come on, man, have nintendo let you down before?

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#40 musicman748
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there wii music if nintendo put nintendogs on wii it would bring females.

um find one person who didnt like the mario, zelda,and metroid. just because they appealed tocasual doesnt mean the hardcore gamers wont like it

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#41 starmetroid
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Are you saying that you want to buy another Wii every two years?
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#42 blingchu55
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I dont see how TP and MP3 are any more casual than OoT and Super Metroid.

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#43 remmbermytitans
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there wii music if nintendo put nintendogs on wii it would bring females.

um find one person who didnt like the mario, zelda,and metroid. just because they appealed tocasual doesnt mean the hardcore gamers wont like it

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there wii music if nintendo put nintendogs on wii it would bring females.

um find one person who didnt like the mario, zelda,and metroid. just because they appealed tocasual doesnt mean the hardcore gamers wont like it

musicman748

whoa whoa, i never said mario, zelda, and metroid weren't great games, I'm just saying that the less popular games, have become too gimmicky, and I'm just worried, that NEXT time around, Nintendo may make them more "user-friendly" taking away the games that were meant for the hardcore gamers :)

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#44 Cyber-
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[QUOTE="Tri-Enforcer"][QUOTE="remmbermytitans"]

First of all, I want to say, that Nintendo has done great with the Wii right now, outselling both it's competitors handily. It seems that their "blue-ocean strategy" has worked very well so far. However, I think, thats not to say, that it is perfect. Many times, Nintendo has considered themseleves equal to Apple, and the Wii to the iPod line. Which, to an extent, may be true. But, the major difference that Nintendo and Apple has, is that, while Apple comes out with new verisons of the iPod just about every year, Nintendo is stuck with the same console for about 5-7 years. (This is why I think, the DS has been successful, it has changed in the last two years and is a hot item... Plus, rumors are spinning that, Nintendo has already remade the DS Lite) Now, the blue-ocean strategy works for only so long, because eventually, (if Nintendo's strategy works 100%), everyone would become a gamer. (With that being said, I know that 100% of people are NOT going to become gamers, but keep reading to see what I think Nintendo needs to fix.) So, now that everyone's a gamer, the simple, mini-game, casual-friendly games, will no longer satisfy those gamers that Nintendo converted over. People will be looking for something else, maybe next time around, (the NEXT-generation) they won't go for Nintendo's console, but instead, they may choose, a PS4, XBOX 720. This is why within a year or two, Nintendo may need to change their strategy to recruiting, "new-gamers" or "casual gamers" to, trying to KEEP them, by providing slightly more difficult games, or something. Basically, to sum this up, Nintendo needs to keep the ball rolling, by continuing to lead the industry in innovation. Wii Fit for example, is something that is new and something that no one has done before, however, just like WiiSports, after a while, it'll eventually get boring, and I think that Nintendo needs to make games that don't follow this pattern of, "fun for a while, then gets boring." Nintendo's popularity may be back, maybe even back to it's glory days, and this is a great thing, but if Nintendo wants to stay on top, they need to do the following 4 steps:

They need to continue attracting new gamers, both old and young, as well as those females.

They need to remove the image of Nintendo being for "kids" and "babies".

They need to provide innovation to set an example to other competitors.

And most of all, they NEED to keep the hard-core gamers happy, by NOT messing with the games we love. By messing with Zelda, Mario and Metroid and making them more appealing to the casual-gamers, they take away games that are meant for us. (The casual gamers have their games, they have WiiSports, WiiFit, WarioWare, and plenty of others.) Also, they need to implent better online options, and remove friend codes, its really a waste of time. Oh, and get with the program, we need microphones!

If Nintendo can follow these steps, I see no reason that Nintendo can't remain on top for many many years to come... However, if they fall into the Sony/EA mindset, which is, "we're on top, and nothing bad can happen to us" Nintendo is in for a shock...

remmbermytitans

I didn't bother to read all of this, but I skimmed through and understand your point. However, I think it may be a while before the new 'casual' gamer will 'graduate' to playing traditional complex games if ever. It's traditonal gaming that has kept casual gamers away from video games to begin with.

true, but after a while, if they continue to play, they are no longer casual, they becoming "core" gamers... and yeah, i know this is worst-case scenario, but, it is still very possible, and I don't want my next mario or zelda becoming ridicously easy

Thats not true. non gamers dont sismply "convert" to the lifestyles of a core gamer.

Besides that the only thing I agree with concerning the TS thoughts are that Nintendo does not need to make games like Zelda, Mario and metroid easier. Non gamers are not even going to notice these games. They should be pushing these games to rival more with games on Xbox and Playstation. They should be pushing visuals, controls and story. They should probabaly find a way to make bosses be easier or hard depending on what your preference is but this is tricky. nintendo should have hardcore games and games for everyone. They should not try and mold the two together. Games like Zelda and Metroid should be taking darker more serious paths.

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#45 FatCat360
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Nintendo cant compare to the Ipod since the Ipod every one its made has sold well where not all Nintendo systems have. Also Apple can keep up with its demand where the Wii cant.