No More Heroes vs No More Heroes 2

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#1 Brawl578
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.....Yeah, I'm not good at starting off topics, so...... yeah. Which do you choose?

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#2 dtno132
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Both are good.

But I didn't like the story in the second one, the ending was pretty bad Imo.

And the Shinobou(spell?) part annoyed the hell out me. xD

Oh I like the mini games in the first one more, they were more fun. D:

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#3 BrunoBRS
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lemme see... the first had interesting bosses and they didn't give up on the humor halfway through the story. the second brings more variety into combat by having more weapons, not just a stronger version of the previous ones, and side jobs are fun. but there are only 10 fighting missions and they can't be repeated. and i liked my assassination missions. but NMH2 had more variety on the sceneries... kinda hard to pick one.
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#4 garrett_duffman
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NMH2 was a downgrade, aside from combat. They just took NMH and stripped if of exploration and collecting and all sorts of other things (less workouts, less combat-based missions, less variety in missions). also it felt shorter, despite being the same length. there was no need for money ultimately, other than 2 swords (which you wont even use) and clothes (that count for jack squat) NMH is better in my opinion
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#5 elbert_b_23
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i haven't got around to beat part 2 but the first one is better game but nether one is nearly as good as killer 7
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#6 BrunoBRS
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NMH2 was a downgrade, aside from combat. They just took NMH and stripped if of exploration and collecting and all sorts of other things (less workouts, less combat-based missions, less variety in missions). also it felt shorter, despite being the same length. there was no need for money ultimately, other than 2 swords (which you wont even use) and clothes (that count for jack squat) NMH is better in my opiniongarrett_duffman
totally forgot about the lack of the open world... i liked it. but it was taken out of the game >.>
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#7 awssk8er716
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I never beat the first, but second's gameplay was better.

The story/ending was pretty bad.

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#8 Pikminmaniac
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No More Heroes

-Excellent characters and funny

-Combat was pretty entertaining

-Ranked missions got worse each consecutive time (I still want to erase that aweful final ranked mission from my mind)

-overworld was completely pointless and hurt me physically and mentally

-the mortercycle controls also hurt me physically and mentally

-side jobs mortally wounded me physically and mentally

OVERALL: 5.5/10 This game may have excellent style all over, but as an actuall video game it is quite awful

No More Heroes 2

-Bosses weren't as interesting, but I got into the story a bit more this time

-combat has improved quite nicely. I especially enjoy the ability to switch weapons on the fly

-Ranked missions were quite consistantly good, but got a little too repetative with the amount of enemies showing up

-Getting rid of the overworld has streamlined the experience greatly

-Side jobs are probably the best part of this game. I have spent hours on each one (with the exception of the scorpion collecting job) Go 8 bit!!!

Overall: 8.0/10 This is a vast improvement over the original. It has excellent style and it manages to be a good game as well.

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#9 Shirokishi_
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Theyre about the same.

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#10 GC4ever
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i missed the open world from 1
and i hate the gym in 2
so it's about even, with a little edge going to 2

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#11 garrett_duffman
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i missed the open world from 1
and i hate the gym in 2
so it's about even, with a little edge going to 2

GC4ever

uh... you mention 2 things wrong with two... and none that are wrong with 1... and yet they are even?

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#12 SoAmazingBaby
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havn't tried either
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#13 Shinobishyguy
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NMH2 was a downgrade, aside from combat. They just took NMH and stripped if of exploration and collecting garrett_duffman
considering that the overworld was one of the weakest aspects of NMH1...isn't that a good thing?
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#14 murat8
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NMH2 was a good improvement but i do prefer the bosses in NMH1
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#15 garrett_duffman
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[QUOTE="garrett_duffman"]NMH2 was a downgrade, aside from combat. They just took NMH and stripped if of exploration and collecting Shinobishyguy
considering that the overworld was one of the weakest aspects of NMH1...isn't that a good thing?

Sure, it had lots of room for improvement, but i would have much rather they actually IMPROVED it, instead of just tossing the entire thing out. so no, its a bad thing.
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#16 OreoMilkshake
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I like 2 better.
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#17 Sepewrath
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Easily NMH2 is the better game; better pacing, better story(even if it was a nonsensical joke), better combat, better variety among the stages and bosses, multiple weapons with different properties, better side missions, getting rid of the buy in was a great move, ditching the open world was another good move, playing as Shinobu was enjoyable, even if they needed to tighten the platforming controls. NMH2 is easily the better game.
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#18 garrett_duffman
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Easily NMH2 is the better game; better pacing, better story(even if it was a nonsensical joke), better combat, better variety among the stages and bosses, multiple weapons with different properties, better side missions, getting rid of the buy in was a great move, ditching the open world was another good move, playing as Shinobu was enjoyable, even if they needed to tighten the platforming controls. NMH2 is easily the better game. Sepewrath
wow... i think im going to have to disagree with about 90% of that. No More Heroes 2 felt like a dead sprint until the finish to me, and the levels all felt exactly the same, only mapped differently. the only instance in which i truly felt like there was a distinguished change was the [third] boss (the one with the graveyard and hills), and even then it was all pretty linear. the combat was good, but where were the dodge-counter attacks? I played through the whole game not ever figuring that out. heck, D-pad dodging in general just felt broken. I think there were the same amount of weapons in NMH as there were in NMH2, unless you count the 2 blades as being 2 individual weapons the side missions were better, but only when it was job missions. revenge missions were the most pathetic excuse for battle massions i have ever experienced. the open-world needed to be improved, not canned. Shinobu was TERRIBLE. whats the point of jumping if you cant ever get it to do what you want? If I have to spend more then 10 seconds trying to jump up a box, then there is something deathly wrong. Don't get me wrong, I enjoyed No More Heroes 2, but there was ALOT of crap that should have been fixed, that people just looked over. We really got the shaft with this game, despite decent reviews. whats the point of being rank 50 if there is only going to be around 10 ranking battles anyways? and we were promised fights against multiple bosses, which happens what, ONCE? thats not "Fights", thats "A Fight". Suda just pissed me off with this game, its like a pie with delicious crust, but rotten innards. you have to eat around the inside stuff, just because the crust was soo good
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#19 Sepewrath
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Uh its an action game, hack n slash games are generally known for being linear, you know like the first one. Also the first one where all the missions had the same pacing and basic enemy types, the real standouts were I think the ranked 3 fight(cant remember the exact order), you know where Ru dies, which wasn't the best ranked fight. There were 4 weapons in NMH2 and they were clearly each unique, like the Peony being the heavy weapon, which does big damage but is slow vs the Rose Nasty which was dual blades, were fast and light and had their own unique animations. Like I said the platforming controls needed work, but combat with Shinobu was great, the games not a platformer after all.

Also there was no promise of multiple ranked fights against multiple opponents a bunch of times. They said it was possible that rank fights wouldn't be one on one, that could mean anything between 1 and a zillion. It just happened to be once. The revenge missions were an extension of those assassination missions that were in the first always in a parking lot, but were less frustrating and had more unique enemies. Your really grasping at straws complaining about the rank, the rank doesn't matter, would it really matter if he started at rank 13 vs rank 50? Its not like this thing has an amazingly engrossing story and that was a plot hole. The last thing a dedicated action game really needs is an open world, action games are linear with set stages. a hub world is pointless. The game does have its problems, but alot less than the first one. The first one is a game where people ignored the many issues because it was just alot of silly fun. The second was a much stronger, better put together game.

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#20 garrett_duffman
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Uh its an action game, hack n slash games are generally known for being linear, you know like the first one. Also the first one where all the missions had the same pacing and basic enemy types, the real standouts were I think the ranked 3 fight(cant remember the exact order), you know where Ru dies, which wasn't the best ranked fight. There were 4 weapons in NMH2 and they were clearly each unique, like the Peony being the heavy weapon, which does big damage but is slow vs the Rose Nasty which was dual blades, were fast and light and had their own unique animations. Like I said the platforming controls needed work, but combat with Shinobu was great, the games not a platformer after all. Also there was no promise of multiple ranked fights against multiple opponents a bunch of times. They said it was possible that rank fights wouldn't be one on one, that could mean anything between 1 and a zillion. It just happened to be once. The revenge missions were an extension of those assassination missions that were in the first always in a parking lot, but were less frustrating and had more unique enemies. Your really grasping at straws complaining about the rank, the rank doesn't matter, would it really matter if he started at rank 13 vs rank 50? Its not like this thing has an amazingly engrossing story and that was a plot hole. The last thing a dedicated action game really needs is an open world, action games are linear with set stages. a hub world is pointless. The game does have its problems, but alot less than the first one. The first one is a game where people ignored the many issues because it was just alot of silly fun. The second was a much stronger, better put together game.Sepewrath
I'd like to first state that im expressing an opinion. there is no "grasping for straws". we all knew that travis was going to start at rank 50 for a while before the game came out. I KNOW im not the only one who thought that their might even be a CHANCE that that meant you would have to fight 50 bosses total. the combo bosses, in my head, were supposed to slim down the number of levels per boss fight, but instead we just skip ahead, so yea, it would matter if he started at rank 13 instead of 50, because then at least that way we would know that the game would NOT feature 50 bosses, and henceforth more gameplay.
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#21 Sepewrath
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lol you brought up how they said not al boss fights would be 1 on 1 but you missed the part in that same interview where it said there wouldn't be 50 bossses? Yeah this is all opinion which game is better, but you seem to have taken issue with NMH2 not having the same shortcomings as NMH1. You seem to have been a fan of the missteps in NMH1, nothing wrong with that, its the same with Mass Effect 1 over on the 360 boards, people miss those flaws in ME2. You may have enjoyed rolling around the open world, the same as people enjoyed struggling with the Mako up 90 degree angles, but that doesn't change the fact that from a design standpoint, the sequel is a better package.
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#22 elbert_b_23
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i have to agree with garrett nmh2 may have had upgrades but the cons are more in 2 then 1 the gym was worse in 2 i liked the overworld in 1 it was fun even if the bike controls were broken the boss fights and story were better in 1 it is better in 2 that they don't need money for ranking fights that was the worst part in the first game 2 is good with the different sword fighting styles and the different playable characters
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#23 garrett_duffman
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lol you brought up how they said not al boss fights would be 1 on 1 but you missed the part in that same interview where it said there wouldn't be 50 bossses? Yeah this is all opinion which game is better, but you seem to have taken issue with NMH2 not having the same shortcomings as NMH1. You seem to have been a fan of the missteps in NMH1, nothing wrong with that, its the same with Mass Effect 1 over on the 360 boards, people miss those flaws in ME2. You may have enjoyed rolling around the open world, the same as people enjoyed struggling with the Mako up 90 degree angles, but that doesn't change the fact that from a design standpoint, the sequel is a better package. Sepewrath
they didnt FIX anything! wherever they were faced with a problem, they canned the issue altogether instead of fixing it! thats not an upgrade, its a cop-out
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#24 Sepewrath
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lol well in that post I never said they fixed anything, but they did infact fix a number of things. They fixed the assassination side missions, they fixed the pacing(the big one) and they fixed alot of the repetitive nature the first game had. Like I said, if you like the flaws of the first game, that's fine. But lets not pretend a flawed game is better than a less flawed game. I like riding around on the bike in NMH1 as much as the next guy, but it was murder on the pacing and an open world really has no purpose in an action game. I mean what would he do? I guess they could have tried to bite of Yakuza and have random people walking up to him and challenging him, but even in the nonsensical world of NMH's that would make no sense. And the bosses in NMH2 were better to me than the ones from NMH1, at least many of them were better fights. Though when it comes to number 1 rank, the original rains supreme, nobody beats Jeane.
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#25 Super-Mario-Fan
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Can't really say. Didn't get the chance to complete part 2, and won't for a few more weeks (see sig).

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#26 Solid_Link22
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I like the first one best.

OT: How much muscle would you guys recommend to beat No More Heroes 2?

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#27 legend26
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Both are great, but i think i have to go with NMH2, everything was just improved. i also liked the stroy, (dont get why people dont like it)

my only little complaint is that some of the bosses didnt have as much personality and arnt memorable (only afew, most were great)

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#28 M_1_A_M_I
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Both good but NMH1 was better
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#29 garrett_duffman
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I like the first one best.

OT: How much muscle would you guys recommend to beat No More Heroes 2?

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uh... I did the muscle that costed 10000 and that was enough to beat it, same with stamina
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#30 funsohng
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this is like Assassin's Creed 1 vs. Assassin's Creed 2
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#31 deactivated-62cbf5c22ef38
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No More Heroes:overworld was completely pointless and hurt me physically and mentallyPikminmaniac
this... imo. Is the worth open world I had seen/play.. and thx haven developers made notice of that :oops: the story had more in NMH2 (so far, had not finish the game)
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#32 Crisis_Eye
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I've only played number 2. The ended was kinda, bland... But from reading these posts, I may get the first one. I would LOVE an open world to explore and collect things. I wanted to do that in Number 2 but once I beat the game, it made me start it over without a choice..
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#33 Crisis_Eye
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[QUOTE="Solid_Link22"]

I like the first one best.

OT: How much muscle would you guys recommend to beat No More Heroes 2?

garrett_duffman
uh... I did the muscle that costed 10000 and that was enough to beat it, same with stamina

Same here. I beat it on mild. Now I'm on bitter and I've already maxed out everything.
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#34 garrett_duffman
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[QUOTE="garrett_duffman"][QUOTE="Solid_Link22"]

I like the first one best.

OT: How much muscle would you guys recommend to beat No More Heroes 2?

Crisis_Eye
uh... I did the muscle that costed 10000 and that was enough to beat it, same with stamina

Same here. I beat it on mild. Now I'm on bitter and I've already maxed out everything.

I only rented it. if i had it for longer i might have tried to beat bitter, but i was just not feeling it
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#35 wiifan001
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havn't tried eitherSoAmazingBaby
I'm gonig with this.
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#36 jcblackgamer
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I never played No More Heroes 2. I actually had no idea that there was a second one, but I played the first one and it was okay. I liked parts of the story and some of those bosses were pretty intense, but the gameplay could have been better.
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#37 intro94
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2nd one was better, maybe a bitnot as great in story terms ,but otherwise ,yes, NMH2 is vastly superior. The minigames are actually worth replaying now for fun, the new weapons do bring variety, and it looks soo much better.