No "One" Wii User Knows Gaming

You would think with a console that's all inclusive you'd see, I don't know, less exclusivity between the owners?

Almost every single day you see a thread about what game they shouldn't make or what series they want stopped. Mind you that in almost every country they're not forced to buy these games but they still want them gone.

Many people want the Mario Party games to stop being made. Those people aren't BUYING the games but at the same time they want no one to have them. Some members (who may feel free to message me and yell at me) say that at the very least take Mario off of the party series of games because it brings down his reputation.

Did it ever occur to people that maybe for some users the Mario Party series is what introduces Mario to gamers that aren't attracted to his other more mainstream games?

Case in point. I never played a Rayman game before in my life. It's a franchise that didn't look too interesting to me and I've never payed any sort of attention to it. Rayman Raving Rabbids came out and I love it and think it was the best launch title on the Wii. Now anything to do with the Rayman franchise I follow.

Why don't people think that happens anywhere else? I started following a franchise not because of it's highly acclaimed platformers but because of it's "party" game. No one here thinks that people enjoy the Mario Party series and the migrate over to the other Mario titles?

Everyone can have opinions about games. Heck I think Kid Icarus is a quagmire of a game that doesn't make sense to follow up on but if there's a market for it then heck, make the game and sell it.

And don't even get me started on the casual issue. Is there a conspiracy going around that people think that the money made for casual games only go to develop MORE casual games? Users do understand that the money from Mario Party and Big Brain Academy went to help make Mario Galaxy and Metroid Prime 3 right?

There is no "right" games for everyone and no one user knows all the games that need to be made. The Wii is the most popular console in the world and everyone is trying to get titles on it. That means that there's a really good chance that you're not going to like every single title offered but that doesn't mean everyone else is going to think like you do.

There's no need to stop making party games, want to know why? Because people like them and buy them. It's just that simple. Same goes for every other title and genre you can think of in the Wii's library.

The Wii is a console for everyone. I don't care if you're 3 or 103 you can find something to play. There is no need to block any games from the console. They will either sell which means people like them or they'll fail at the marketplace and you wont have to worry about ever seeing them again.

Now after all of this can anyone give me one reason they want a game gone from the console?

This is more of a Blog Post.. And I'm going to ruin your stat by playing video games at 104 years old..! :Pkingsy_the_one

I'll see your 104 and raise it to 105.

Great post, the only problem is that the people who need to read this, aren't at the Wii forum. I think most people here understand what you're saying.

You would think with a board that's all inclusive you'd see, I don't know, less exclusivity between the posters?

Almost every single day you see a thread about what post they shouldn't make or what thread they want stopped. Mind you that in almost every country they're not forced to read these threads, but they still want them gone.

Many people want opinion threads to stop being made. Those people aren't discussing the posts but at the same time they want no one to have them. Some members (who may feel free to message me and yell at me) say that at the very least take these threads off of the boards because it brings down Gamespot's reputation.

Did it ever occur to people that maybe for some users these threads are what introduces reads to ideas that aren't attracted to his other more mainstream topics?

Case in point. I never read one of these threads before in my life. It's a topic that didn't look too interesting to me and I've never payed any sort of attention to it. The stop making Mario party topic came out and I love it and think it was the best topic on the board. Now anything to do with the topic I follow.

Why don't people think that happens anywhere else? I started following a topic not because of it's highly acclaimed validity but because of it's "funny" theme. No one here thinks that people enjoy the "stop making the series" topics and the migrate over to the other boards?

Everyone can have opinions about games. Heck I think the current topic is a quagmire of a person that doesn't make sense to follow up on but if there's a market for then heck, type it up and let people read it.

And don't even get me started on the casual issue. Is there a conspiracy going around that people think that people care more about their opinions then they thinks about others? Users do understand that the money from Mario Party and Big Brain Academy went to help make other Mario Party and Big Brain games right?

There is no "right" games for everyone and no one user knows all the games that need to be made. The is the most popular console in the world and everyone is trying to get titles on it.They should stop though, and just make games that don't suck.

There's a huge need to stop making party games, want to know why? Because people don't like them but still buy them. It's just that simple. Same goes for every other title and genre you can think of in the Wii's library.

The Wii is a console for everyone. I don't care if you're 3 or 103 you can find something to play. That's a problem because kids and old people suck.

Now after all of this can anyone give me one reason they don't want a game gone from the console?

Great post, the only problem is that the people who need to read this, aren't at the Wii forum. I think most people here understand what you're saying.

oyvoyvoyv

Thank you

I think there's a fair number of "do not make (insert game name here) anymore" threads in here all the time.

Is this supposed to be the argument thread made against my thread I made a few days ago?Sants412

You would think with a board that's all inclusive you'd see, I don't know, less exclusivity between the posters?bobathefett13

I have to say, that was a great parody. I'm a little disappointed that you stopped before the last three paragraphs, but oh well.

Jaysonguy, you do have a good point (in that because I don't like something, no one should have it), but apparently I haven't seen the same threads you have. The only one I can think of that fits your description is the one you specifically mention - the Mario Party thread by our good friend Sants.

And one issue you addressed but didn't properly apply is that if a developer does stop making a certain franchise, then it can focus that effort on something new and (hopefully) fresh. For example, rather than making Rayman Raving Rabbids 2, the developer could've made a true Rayman platformer on the console. If you're interested in Rayman as a whole, you'd like that, right? But a high-selling party game isn't going to result in a platformer; it'll result in another party game. The opposite happens frequently, though. Mario platformers spawned Mario Kart, Mario Party, etc. Crash Bandicoot spawned a kart game. Rayman spawned a party game. Donkey Kong spawned Diddy Kong Racing and Donkey Konga. All of these party games have seen at least one direct party sequel. And I have to point out that we still haven't seen a sequel to Donkey Kong 64, despite the success of the party games. But perhaps that's complicated by the Rare situation.

Your point that profit from a party game of a franchise will fund the "true" incarnation of the franchise isn't that simple. For example, Mario Party was developed by Hudson. Sure, Nintendo gets a share of the profits as the licenser and publisher, but Hudson didn't make the game for free. I think that most often, the team that makes the party game probably isn't going to be the same one that makes the "real" game, anyway. My point is that it's more complex than "this Mario game sold well, so it must fund all other Mario games," since the type of game and the development teams are completely different.

you know, this would have been helpful a few days ago when this was being argued. you completely complement what i was trying to prove and i agree with what you are saying here.

So basically, your whole tl:dr post is "when u say soandso game/series should die that's ur opinion".

We already know this.

I think if you like cheese but don't like strawberries milkshake you shoudn't say that strawberries milkshakes brings downstrawberries reputation because you are not even thinking in strawberries, you are thinking on the cheese cake that microsoft make but nintendo can't make because they don't have cheese so you start talking to your friends that strawberrie milkshake tastes bad, smells bad and looks bad but you should stop and think that there are people that likes strawberrie milkshake and if you want cheese go and buy an xbox 360 or whatever that makes cheese cake but you wait and you will see that nintendo will make an better cheese cake and you will realize that nintendo was only waiting to get cheese and a recipe and then you can die with your cheese cake because we gonna have one better.:D

[QUOTE="bobathefett13"]You would think with a board that's all inclusive you'd see, I don't know, less exclusivity between the posters?JordanElek

I have to say, that was a great parody. I'm a little disappointed that you stopped before the last three paragraphs, but oh well.

As a Mod shouldnt you not encourage posts that include things as "That's a problem because kids and old people suck."

[QUOTE="JordanElek"]

[QUOTE="bobathefett13"]You would think with a board that's all inclusive you'd see, I don't know, less exclusivity between the posters?ag1052

I have to say, that was a great parody. I'm a little disappointed that you stopped before the last three paragraphs, but oh well.

As a Mod shouldnt you not encourage posts that include things as "That's a problem because kids and old people suck."

Yeah, I thought that the dude was making a good point by taking Jayson's words and manipulating them, that was an effective argument. However, when he started using bigotry, he lost me. You can't just say that "kids and old people suck" without sounding like a teenager with a worthless opinion.

[QUOTE="JordanElek"]

[QUOTE="bobathefett13"]You would think with a board that's all inclusive you'd see, I don't know, less exclusivity between the posters?ag1052

I have to say, that was a great parody. I'm a little disappointed that you stopped before the last three paragraphs, but oh well.

As a Mod shouldnt you not encourage posts that include things as "That's a problem because kids and old people suck."

1. That's not even really offensive if you read it like the normal reader would. "Suck" is representative of certain actions which make both groups hate-able.

2. You can't tell a Mod what to do. Heck, most mods I know (on GameFAQs) are worse than most of the regular users here. In a clever, not-stupid way, of course.

You would think with a console that's all inclusive you'd see, I don't know, less exclusivity between the owners?

Almost every single day you see a thread about what game they shouldn't make or what series they want stopped. Mind you that in almost every country they're not forced to buy these games but they still want them gone.

Many people want the Mario Party games to stop being made. Those people aren't BUYING the games but at the same time they want no one to have them. Some members (who may feel free to message me and yell at me) say that at the very least take Mario off of the party series of games because it brings down his reputation.

Did it ever occur to people that maybe for some users the Mario Party series is what introduces Mario to gamers that aren't attracted to his other more mainstream games?

Case in point. I never played a Rayman game before in my life. It's a franchise that didn't look too interesting to me and I've never payed any sort of attention to it. Rayman Raving Rabbids came out and I love it and think it was the best launch title on the Wii. Now anything to do with the Rayman franchise I follow.

Why don't people think that happens anywhere else? I started following a franchise not because of it's highly acclaimed platformers but because of it's "party" game. No one here thinks that people enjoy the Mario Party series and the migrate over to the other Mario titles?

Everyone can have opinions about games. Heck I think Kid Icarus is a quagmire of a game that doesn't make sense to follow up on but if there's a market for it then heck, make the game and sell it.

And don't even get me started on the casual issue. Is there a conspiracy going around that people think that the money made for casual games only go to develop MORE casual games? Users do understand that the money from Mario Party and Big Brain Academy went to help make Mario Galaxy and Metroid Prime 3 right?

There is no "right" games for everyone and no one user knows all the games that need to be made. The Wii is the most popular console in the world and everyone is trying to get titles on it. That means that there's a really good chance that you're not going to like every single title offered but that doesn't mean everyone else is going to think like you do.

There's no need to stop making party games, want to know why? Because people like them and buy them. It's just that simple. Same goes for every other title and genre you can think of in the Wii's library.

The Wii is a console for everyone. I don't care if you're 3 or 103 you can find something to play. There is no need to block any games from the console. They will either sell which means people like them or they'll fail at the marketplace and you wont have to worry about ever seeing them again.

Now after all of this can anyone give me one reason they want a game gone from the console?

Jaysonguy

great post and fantastic point made here

As a Mod shouldnt you not encourage posts that include things as "That's a problem because kids and old people suck."ag1052

Then I officially discourage that part of the post, even though it's so general and benign, especially in the context of the rest of the post, that it can hardly be taken seriously. Taken alone, it'd be a different matter.

Now get back on topic! :P I'd much rather have a PM about this and actual responses to my opinion (or anyone else's) in this thread.

I think people have contempt for things like party games and puzzle games on Wii because they are doing so well and punlishers take that as an easy way out to making quality games. I am sorry but these gamesa re the reason why we lack good third party support. It seems if there ever is a remotely good third party game there is always a "catch." Like a PS2 port, ports of old games that are good, good games that are extremely low budget (Zak and Wiki), and things like that.

I dont know about you guys but its looking like were gonna get another generation of bad third party support.

I think if you like cheese but don't like strawberries milkshake you shoudn't say that strawberries milkshakes brings downstrawberries reputation because you are not even thinking in strawberries, you are thinking on the cheese cake that microsoft make but nintendo can't make because they don't have cheese so you start talking to your friends that strawberrie milkshake tastes bad, smells bad and looks bad but you should stop and think that there are people that likes strawberrie milkshake and if you want cheese go and buy an xbox 360 or whatever that makes cheese cake but you wait and you will see that nintendo will make an better cheese cake and you will realize that nintendo was only waiting to get cheese and a recipe and then you can die with your cheese cake because we gonna have one better.:D

Okami_Link

[QUOTE="Okami_Link"]

I think if you like cheese but don't like strawberries milkshake you shoudn't say that strawberries milkshakes brings downstrawberries reputation because you are not even thinking in strawberries, you are thinking on the cheese cake that microsoft make but nintendo can't make because they don't have cheese so you start talking to your friends that strawberrie milkshake tastes bad, smells bad and looks bad but you should stop and think that there are people that likes strawberrie milkshake and if you want cheese go and buy an xbox 360 or whatever that makes cheese cake but you wait and you will see that nintendo will make an better cheese cake and you will realize that nintendo was only waiting to get cheese and a recipe and then you can die with your cheese cake because we gonna have one better.:D

Cesar_Barba

I was just kidding but now I'm curious: cheesecake is done with WHAT?

[QUOTE="Cesar_Barba"][QUOTE="Okami_Link"]

I think if you like cheese but don't like strawberries milkshake you shoudn't say that strawberries milkshakes brings downstrawberries reputation because you are not even thinking in strawberries, you are thinking on the cheese cake that microsoft make but nintendo can't make because they don't have cheese so you start talking to your friends that strawberrie milkshake tastes bad, smells bad and looks bad but you should stop and think that there are people that likes strawberrie milkshake and if you want cheese go and buy an xbox 360 or whatever that makes cheese cake but you wait and you will see that nintendo will make an better cheese cake and you will realize that nintendo was only waiting to get cheese and a recipe and then you can die with your cheese cake because we gonna have one better.:D

Okami_Link

I was just kidding but now I'm curious: cheesecake is done with WHAT?

Users do understand that the money from Mario Party and Big Brain Academy went to help make Mario Galaxy and Metroid Prime 3 right?

Jaysonguy

That's not entirely true.

I think if you like cheese but don't like strawberries milkshake you shoudn't say that strawberries milkshakes brings downstrawberries reputation because you are not even thinking in strawberries, you are thinking on the cheese cake that microsoft make but nintendo can't make because they don't have cheese so you start talking to your friends that strawberrie milkshake tastes bad, smells bad and looks bad but you should stop and think that there are people that likes strawberrie milkshake and if you want cheese go and buy an xbox 360 or whatever that makes cheese cake but you wait and you will see that nintendo will make an better cheese cake and you will realize that nintendo was only waiting to get cheese and a recipe and then you can die with your cheese cake because we gonna have one better.:D

Okami_Link

in your case i like strawberry milkshakes and cheeze!! :P

any way jasonguy, i agree with you but your topic is misleading and somewhat hypocritical, arent you a wii user? so wouldnt that make you not know gaming? so then alsowe all who are agreeing with you...not know gaming? just thought id let u know that...

[QUOTE="Okami_Link"]

I think if you like cheese but don't like strawberries milkshake you shoudn't say that strawberries milkshakes brings downstrawberries reputation because you are not even thinking in strawberries, you are thinking on the cheese cake that microsoft make but nintendo can't make because they don't have cheese so you start talking to your friends that strawberrie milkshake tastes bad, smells bad and looks bad but you should stop and think that there are people that likes strawberrie milkshake and if you want cheese go and buy an xbox 360 or whatever that makes cheese cake but you wait and you will see that nintendo will make an better cheese cake and you will realize that nintendo was only waiting to get cheese and a recipe and then you can die with your cheese cake because we gonna have one better.:D

Keving7

in your case i like strawberry milkshakes and cheeze!! :P

any way jasonguy, i agree with you but your topic is misleading and somewhat hypocritical, arent you a wii user? so wouldnt that make you not know gaming? so then alsowe all who are agreeing with you...not know gaming? just thought id let u know that...

Jasonguy is making a very good point here and even without the "" what he is saying he worded correctly, you just took it the wrong way. If he had said "No Wii user knows gaming" or "No one who is a Wii user knows gaming" then you would be right in your claim that he is hypocritical... but he didnt say either of those, he said No "One" Wii User Knows Gaming.

Holy moley this thread has some great discussion in it.

Let's clear up a few thing. Yes Sants I saw your thread about the Mario Party series but you are not the only person who has said that. I respect your evaluation of the series and I enjoyed the way it was laid out. I just don't agree with you on that particular subject. You're the main one I was thinking of when it comes to yelling at me (even though please everyone feel free to lay into me when you disagree lol) but you were not the only one.

JE, you make great points.

Yes I do see threads saying we need to axe certain games or certain genres. Then again I'm here waaaaay too often so I think you're the one better off? lol Sants just wanted to tweak a franchise not kill it though before anyone wants to be upset at Sants.

Now here comes the minutia of this all......

Yes, now I'm interested in Rayman and I have been on the lookout of anything Rayman related (Rabbids or not). And I think we see the writing on the wall that the Rabbids franchise isn't a one and done , it'll be a series that will get updated hopefully matching the same sort of releases like Mario Party.

(I'm just going to base this on the Wii and not any other platforms for what I'm going to say here)

It's cheaper for Ubisoft to make Rayman Raving Rabbids 2 then it was to make the first one. That means that all the money they make off the first one doesn't necessarily need to go to the follow up. With Rayman becoming mainstream that means that we COULD see a platformer return with Rayman. Especially with The Rabbids being loved but also people still clamoring for a real Rayman platformer. Ubisoft is seeing that there's a market for both and because of the success of the Rabbid series they have the funds if they wish to pursue the platforming direction of things.

You are right about the money going to the developer and that Hudson got money to make the game and Nintendo got a part of it also. The point I'm trying to make is that let's just say that for Mario Party that it made 100 dollars and Hudson and Nintendo split it in half. Nintendo doesn't take that 50 dollars and put it in the "only for casual games" fund. It goes into the bank to use for all development.

Keving you took the thread the wrong way, ag1052 (man it's gonna be hard to think up a nickname there lol) did a fantastic job of explaining it. I didn't mean that Wii owners are clueless when it comes to gaming. I mean that each individual Wii gamer does not know completely what the Wii needs. I'll use the same example again, I consider myself very well versed when it comes to gaming yet I don't care for the Kid Icarus franchise so if I was in charge of what games come on the Wii they'd ask me about it and I'd say I don't want it. Icarus 212001 loves the series so there'd be one less title on the Wii that he'd like.

[QUOTE="ag1052"][QUOTE="JordanElek"]

[QUOTE="bobathefett13"]You would think with a board that's all inclusive you'd see, I don't know, less exclusivity between the posters?bob_newman

I have to say, that was a great parody. I'm a little disappointed that you stopped before the last three paragraphs, but oh well.

As a Mod shouldnt you not encourage posts that include things as "That's a problem because kids and old people suck."

Yeah, I thought that the dude was making a good point by taking Jayson's words and manipulating them, that was an effective argument. However, when he started using bigotry, he lost me. You can't just say that "kids and old people suck" without sounding like a teenager with a worthless opinion.

I'll be honest. At first I was trying to make a point. But 10 minutes and a few paragraphs later, I was bored and just started trolling.

I don't even really have an opinion on the subject itself at all. I just hate hate-haters. The only part of the entire post that I really meant was the thing about kids and old people.

I think if you like cheese but don't like strawberries milkshake you shoudn't say that strawberries milkshakes brings downstrawberries reputation because you are not even thinking in strawberries, you are thinking on the cheese cake that microsoft make but nintendo can't make because they don't have cheese so you start talking to your friends that strawberrie milkshake tastes bad, smells bad and looks bad but you should stop and think that there are people that likes strawberrie milkshake and if you want cheese go and buy an xbox 360 or whatever that makes cheese cake but you wait and you will see that nintendo will make an better cheese cake and you will realize that nintendo was only waiting to get cheese and a recipe and then you can die with your cheese cake because we gonna have one better.:D

Okami_Link

[QUOTE="Okami_Link"]

I think if you like cheese but don't like strawberries milkshake you shoudn't say that strawberries milkshakes brings downstrawberries reputation because you are not even thinking in strawberries, you are thinking on the cheese cake that microsoft make but nintendo can't make because they don't have cheese so you start talking to your friends that strawberrie milkshake tastes bad, smells bad and looks bad but you should stop and think that there are people that likes strawberrie milkshake and if you want cheese go and buy an xbox 360 or whatever that makes cheese cake but you wait and you will see that nintendo will make an better cheese cake and you will realize that nintendo was only waiting to get cheese and a recipe and then you can die with your cheese cake because we gonna have one better.:D

DaLegendKilla92

Thanks! I was eating when I wrote that:D

I totally get your points you raised. However my argument about the Mario Party is this. The series as a whole could be a lot more fun and even challenging for that matter if they took constructive ctriticism and the annoyances and flaws were worked out. But Nintendo or Hudson doesn't do this, to me, it is just rehash after rehash. The series needs to EVOLVE. Include more voice options with the characters (they all get annoying after a while with their simple "trash talk" options), more boards, and get rid of the random chance or luck mini games. There are other issued with the games (just read any review from 4 on). I truly only like the games that require some sort of skill.

But this series obviously won't go away, it's a huge cash cow for both Hudson and Nintendo. Kiddies love it, and parents can play a simple family-fun game with their kids.