Odd that Gamespot consistently gives 3DS games lower scores?

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#1 FPS1337
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Another review, and another surprising low score for a huge 3DS game. Yeah Pokemon X and Y received an 8.0 from Gamespot. I find it extremely odd that even with Nintendo's incredibly strong 3DS library, Gamespot seems extremely reluctant to give higher scores to 3DS games. There's only a handful of 3DS games with a score of 8.5 too. I find it very strange. 3DS in my opinion has an extremely strong lineup of games, and surely tons of games are worthy of a 9 score or higher. I know 9.0's should only be given to the very best games, but 3DS already has several amazing games already, so atleast a couple of them should be worthy of 9s. What I find even more strange is that the Vita has 3 titles rated a 9.0 or higher, and the Vita lineup is very weak compared to 3DS. I know you guys are thinking, well its opinion so the score doesn't matter, but seriously, has not one editor really not felt any games on the 3DS is amazing yet. Its not only that they haven't gotten 9's yet, its that games that seem to release on 3DS and Wii-U have underwhelming scores compared to other reviews. Its not like they are extremely picky with giving out 9's and 8.5's, other games on Xbox 360 and PS3 have been getting fairly high scores. Also when I read the reviews there are usually only 1 or 2 small issues about the game. Super Mario 3D Land got an 8.0 and the only issue with the game was that Spotpass features were limited. I don't know if anyone else notices. I just find it to be a bit bias, everytime a Nintendo game seems to come out, its almost like Gamespot takes what the score reall should be and deducts a point because its Nintendo.

 

Here's a list of 3DS games that I felt deserved a higher score from Gamespot:

Fire Emblem: Awakening: GS score: 8.5, Metacritic: 92

Legend of Zelda Ocarina of Time 3D: GS score: 8.5, Metacritic: 94

Pushmo: GS score: 8.5, Metacritic: 90

Pokemon X & Y: GS Score: 8.0, Metacritic: 89

Animal Crossing: New Leaf: GS Score: 8.0, Metacritic: 87

Donkey Kong Country Returns 3D: GS Score: 7.0, Metacritic: 83

Super Mario 3D Land: GS Score: 8.0, Metacritic: 90

Star Fox 64 3D: GS Score: 7.5, Metacritic 81

Luigi's Mansion Dark Moon: GS Score: 6.5, Metacritic: 86

Monster Hunter Tri Ultimate: GS Score: 7.0, Metacritic: 79

New Super Mario Bros. 2: GS Score: 7.0, Metacritic: 78

 

To put this into perpective, the average GS score of all the games I listed averages to be a bit under 77 or 7.7, while the the metascore however averages out to be a little above around 86% or 8.6. That's essentially an 1.0 GS score. Its quite a difference. All 11 of these games are also probably top 20 best 3DS games. These aren't the only games I thought gamespot underrated either, they are just the ones where the difference stood out the most to me. Please share your opinions.

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#2 voljin1987
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Dont forget Steamworld Dig. GS Score: 7.0 Metacritic: 82.
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#4 YoshiYogurt
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As always.... DAT 3DS TAX 3DS is such an amazing system it needs to be handicapped.
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#5 YoshiYogurt
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As always.... DAT 3DS TAX 3DS is such an amazing system it needs to be handicapped.
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#6 Euaggelistes
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I was thinking about this just a moment ago as I was reading the review for Pokemon X & Y. I think they would be better served to get rid of the score altogether or explain what it is that they are deducting points for and how the score is calculated. It seemed like the big complaint against Pokemon X & Y was thye frustration of the excessive occurance of random encounters. How many points are docked because of that? Two whole points? 

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#9 HowlingLotus
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I always look at it as a minor thing, but then I realize many people make their purchases off of other peoples opinions rather their own opinion/what they enjoy. Quite sad really that people will openly pass up games due to scores without ever trying a demo or researching the game. Moving away from a score is possible, but there would be backlash due to the people who can't make purchasing decisions themselves and system wars "lol fl0p and AAAE" nonsense.

I have always bought or tried games that I think I would enjoy... even with low review scores.

It would be nice to see some higher scores for the sake of the developers though. Must be painful for games on Nintendo systems/Nintendo first party games whenever they get hit with the "rehash/not original/same as always" tag in reviews - potentially lowering the score. Yet certain yearly franchises or ones that have seen an entire series released in the same generation get flawless 9's-10's. That is why I ignore the number and read the review. If I'm still not convinced I'll wait until more info is available or listen to other gamers.   

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Don't care, haters gonna hate maynee.

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#11 ANIMEguy10034
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Gamespot has been giving low scores for years, reason why it's extremely idiotic to base how good a game is by only looking at the GS score. Actually reading the reviews beats whatever score anyone gives because you'll understand what about the games they liked or disliked. For example, those looking for a great story, a complete overhaul in gameplay, and a game that uses stereoscopic 3D all the time will be disappointed with Pokemon X & Y because those are the most common complaints in reviews. Those who don't mind these faults will love the games. Just looking at a score is not enough.

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#12 Blabadon
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Another review, and another surprising low score for a huge 3DS game. Yeah Pokemon X and Y received an 8.0 from Gamespot. FPS1337

Eight is great. Making a game that takes time, effort, money, and plenty of willpower to make and having reviewers call it great is an insanely successful accomplishment. It is by no means a low score.

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#13 Blabadon
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What I find even more strange is that the Vita has 3 titles rated a 9.0 or higher, and the Vita lineup is very weak compared to 3DS. FPS1337
Don't contradict yourself so quickly either. They're rating individual games, not a library. Further discussion on this inane OP could delve in to how different reviewers reviewed each of the Vita's 9.0 games. Also, stop caring about the damn score. There's text written under each score for a reason.
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#14 KBFloYd
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omg...pokemon got 8.0?

damn... who reviewed it? mcshea or carolyn?

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#15 FPS1337
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[QUOTE="FPS1337"]

Another review, and another surprising low score for a huge 3DS game. Yeah Pokemon X and Y received an 8.0 from Gamespot. Blabadon

Eight is great. Making a game that takes time, effort, money, and plenty of willpower to make and having reviewers call it great is an insanely successful accomplishment. It is by no means a low score.

8 is great, but I'm saying that it deserves a better score. Wouldn't you rather have a 9 than an 8? Pokemon is one of 3DS's biggest games with tons of effort put into it. It completely revamped pokemon games and its created an entire new generation of how pokemon games are gonna be played. It deserves better? Call of Duty constantly gets 8.5 over small improvements. NBA 2K14 just got an 8.0 for its minor improvements. 8.0. Pokemon deserves better, that's why the meta score is much higher as well. 8 isn't a bad score, but Pokemon X and Y are revolutionary games in a massive franchise. 8.0 is clearly too low.
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#16 Lyphe2k
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Not that I'm disagreeing with what the topic creator said, because what I'm about to say just went in to effect recently, BUT GS did just switch to a whole unit scale of scoring so perhaps Pokemon would have been a 8.5/10 otherwise. However yes, I do notice that Gamespot is pretty hard on Nintendo games in general. With the Wii U, I actually don't mind, but I feel like Nintendo is actually trying with the 3DS and thus far we have not had any game that has received a 9.
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#17 GAJY_FILTH
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Nothing wrong with the scores, just peoples mindsets and how they think anything other than a 9 is shit. 

All these games are great (which is 8) but I wouldn't say any of them are anything groundbreaking. 

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I think the 8 was justified and the score itself shows it's a good game. But since a lot of other game scores feel inflated, when they have some of the same downsides (not enough "innovation" with game sequels being the core example here), it puts these games into a slightly more negative light than they deserved when people start directly comparing review scores. Which means that either 3DS/Nintendo games need to recieve that equal mild inflation at times or other reviews need to be toned down in score when appropiate, the latter of which I think would add more value to review scores in general. My main issue is not the scores themselves, but the lack of consistancy in how they score certain aspects they note as being downsides across many different games, systems, series, genres, etc.

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[QUOTE="FPS1337"] 8 is great, but I'm saying that it deserves a better score. Wouldn't you rather have a 9 than an 8? Pokemon is one of 3DS's biggest games with tons of effort put into it. It completely revamped pokemon games and its created an entire new generation of how pokemon games are gonna be played. It deserves better? Call of Duty constantly gets 8.5 over small improvements. NBA 2K14 just got an 8.0 for its minor improvements. 8.0. Pokemon deserves better, that's why the meta score is much higher as well. 8 isn't a bad score, but Pokemon X and Y are revolutionary games in a massive franchise. 8.0 is clearly too low.

I understand where you're coming from, especially since I ranted my ass off when GS gave Black & White a 7.5, but please understand that one can not simply say "this game deserves a better score" without actually playing the game. I did not know how biased I sounded when I whined about GS's score until I finally played the games and realized that some of their complaints were pretty legitimate. X & Y are getting the biggest graphical leap in the franchise's history, it looks beautiful, there's finally trainer customization, mega evolutions and the Fairy type will completely change the meta game, and online features have been tweaked, but all of these additions may not be enough change for those who do not love Pokemon as much as we do. COD and NBA fans would disagree with you about those "small improvements" just as how we would disagree if someone said Pokemon only gets "small improvements." We may think the games are revolutionary from what we've seen, but end up realizing that it's just the evolution of pokemon once we finally get the chance to roam the Kalos region.

I think the 8 was justified and the score itself shows it's a good game. But since a lot of other game scores feel inflated, when they have some of the same downsides (not enough "innovation" with game sequels being the core example here), it puts these games into a slightly more negative light than they deserved when people start directly comparing review scores. Which means that either 3DS/Nintendo games need to recieve that equal mild inflation at times or other reviews need to be toned down in score when appropiate, the latter of which I think would add more value to review scores in general. My main issue is not the scores themselves, but the lack of consistancy in how they score certain aspects they note as being downsides across many different games, systems, series, genres, etc.

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I couldn't agree more.
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#20 PoisoN_Facecam0
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imo 3DS has had the best lineup this past year over any of the home consoles, maybe even PC (probably not though)
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#21 FPS1337
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[QUOTE="ANIMEguy10034"][QUOTE="FPS1337"] 8 is great, but I'm saying that it deserves a better score. Wouldn't you rather have a 9 than an 8? Pokemon is one of 3DS's biggest games with tons of effort put into it. It completely revamped pokemon games and its created an entire new generation of how pokemon games are gonna be played. It deserves better? Call of Duty constantly gets 8.5 over small improvements. NBA 2K14 just got an 8.0 for its minor improvements. 8.0. Pokemon deserves better, that's why the meta score is much higher as well. 8 isn't a bad score, but Pokemon X and Y are revolutionary games in a massive franchise. 8.0 is clearly too low.

I understand where you're coming from, especially since I ranted my ass off when GS gave Black & White a 7.5, but please understand that one can not simply say "this game deserves a better score" without actually playing the game. I did not know how biased I sounded when I whined about GS's score until I finally played the games and realized that some of their complaints were pretty legitimate. X & Y are getting the biggest graphical leap in the franchise's history, it looks beautiful, there's finally trainer customization, mega evolutions and the Fairy type will completely change the meta game, and online features have been tweaked, but all of these additions may not be enough change for those who do not love Pokemon as much as we do. COD and NBA fans would disagree with you about those "small improvements" just as how we would disagree if someone said Pokemon only gets "small improvements." We may think the games are revolutionary from what we've seen, but end up realizing that it's just the evolution of pokemon once we finally get the chance to roam the Kalos region. I am actually a big fan of NBA games. I owned 2K12, 2K13 and 2K14, and most NBA fans would seriously agree that the franchise has only gone through small improvement. I think an 8.0 for 2k14 is justifiable. It didn't go through any big changes, but things such as more and better animations, some added modes, better A.I and smoother controls makes a better experience. I see how it can get an 8 because its still a great game, but has some issues still and its not a big change over previous iterations. I actually bought Black Ops 2 (albeit that was only because it was $10 at my local Walmart for some reason). I can say that compared to Black Ops 1 there are no serious changes. I actually enjoy most of the Call of Duty games, and an 8 score is reasonable. They don't do anything that revolutionizes or make an amazing change to the franchise, nor do they absolutely perfect the game's mechanics. For example 3D Mario games for example all have similar core concepts, platforming, reaching a certain goal, doing different jumps and running around, but they absolutely nail the mechanics down, and always constantly add things that make the experience very fresh. Its not just X and Y either. The 3DS has such a strong library, and the negatives they have for games really don't justify whole points being docked. Super Mario 3D Land was probably the worst, I mean Spotpass is really just an extra feature already, and the game actually integrated spotpass fairly well they just didn't make it a major feature which it really shouldn't have to be, and it gets an 8.0. Pokemon X and Y revolutionized Pokemon for the handheld without sacrificing anything from previous iterations. That is what I define as a 9. Also its not like previous iterations of the series were bad either, Pokemon is one of the best RPG franchises of all time.
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I see CBS Interactive at the bottom of each GameSpot page. I always read rumblings of CBS being heavily affiliated with MS. Wind Waker HD was heavily advertised on IGN and look at the score the remake got...9.8.

This is the reality of associated press in specific industries. They are in bed with the companies of the products they review.

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#23 logicalfrank
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They rate handheld games low in general here. I really don't know why. I get when it's something like those crappy handheld versions of the Lego games or whatever since those games are legitimately bad but when the games are actually good, it seems like they are comparing them to some high standard set by PC and home console games that doesn't really exist in reality. In any case, I just add one to the scores given here to handheld games and that gives you a pretty fair comparison in my opinion.

For what it's worth, I actually like that GameSpot rates lower than other sites. They are critics being critical. That is good. Critics should disagree. The trick is to find one you like and go w/ them. This doesn't excuse treating handheld titles as second class citizens though.

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#24 starwarsjunky
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they do this for almost every game on every system. don't go playing the bias game. Gamespot just hates games and their reviewers suck =P