Our Former IGN Wii Team writer has a few words to say about the Wii (link insid)

http://www.gonintendo.com/viewstory.php?id=86962

@42:50

Levi: But if you're a Nintendo fan, how could you have been unhappy that morning.

Daemon: Because the Wii is stupid, Levi. No, because any games that are coming out for the Wii are going to be dumb.

Hilary: The truth comes out now that he's not on Nintendo.

Daemon: Yeah, the Wii is stupid. Super Mario Galaxy 2 will be another great game that should be controlled with dual analog sticks.

@ 43:25

Quote:
Hilary: The problem with me for Nintendo Conference is that no matter how awesome the game is that they announce, the fact of the matter is that I don't even really care to hook up my Wii anymore. It's been unhooked since Mario Galaxy came out, and I don't really find anything that interests me in playing it anymore.

Daemon: I know. Like even when they make a great game like Mario Galaxy I don't want to hold the Wii remote. It's stupid.

And of course, the obligatory backlash blog to the backlash lol

http://blogs.ign.com/daemon-IGN/2009/06/07/

What do you guys think?

He seemed to justify his opinions and thoughts quite well.

I like Daemon. I don't get why people are mad he dislikes the Wii overall but acknowledges it does have some great games. There are bigger Wii haters to complain about if you really are offended by people's opinions.

He seemed to justify his opinions and thoughts quite well.

VGobbsesser

I generally feel that hisopinions are valid (his tone is incredibly childish though)and further more really am not too interested what editors of IGNorance really have to say (or gaming media in general to be honest) but I'm interested to see if anyone out there came to the same conclusion I did when reading this. Gonna wait to see if I was indeed right.

I like Daemon. I don't get why people are mad he dislikes the Wii overall but acknowledges it does have some great games. There are bigger Wii haters to complain about if you really are offended by people's opinions.

JAB991

Uh, where did I even give my opinion on this matter?

[QUOTE="JAB991"]

I like Daemon. I don't get why people are mad he dislikes the Wii overall but acknowledges it does have some great games. There are bigger Wii haters to complain about if you really are offended by people's opinions.

ActicEdge

Uh, where did I even give my opinion on this matter?

You =/= "people." The "people" I'm referring to are the members of the sea of Wii fans who freaked out about the what Daemon said. The "you" is the reader of my post if he/she is offended by the Wii being called stupid.

This just goes to prove my point

Over at IGN they say good things about the Wii and give the scores they do because they're paid to do so

I don't know why anyone trusts what they have to say since they all do it.

"Oh I hate that"

"Here's some money"

"Oh, instant classic, buy it if you want more games like it Wii fans!"

[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

[QUOTE="JAB991"]

I like Daemon. I don't get why people are mad he dislikes the Wii overall but acknowledges it does have some great games. There are bigger Wii haters to complain about if you really are offended by people's opinions.

JAB991

Uh, where did I even give my opinion on this matter?

You =/= "people." The "people" I'm referring to are the members of the sea of Wii fans who freaked out about the what Daemon said. The "you" is the reader of my post if he/she is offended by the Wii being called stupid.

Well, gotta be sure, "you" generally does refer to the person you are quoting lol

Never heard of these people but anyone that simply dismisses an entire game library because "its stupid" cannot be that much of a gaming enthusiast. This is the problem when gaming sites use these types of neo gamers as "journalists".

Wait, is he suggesting that SMG could have been controlled by dual analog? If so, what a ridiculous statement.

Would you be able to collect star bits from a distance? Would you have been able to use pull stars at all? How about the fan and bubble? Would rolling that star in the ball around have been any different from just walking without the Wiimote?

People, before we go any further, I'd love for you to discuss the issue at hand and not simply say, "well his opinion is stupid". The man makes a few good points, take that to heart.

I think that it's probably good that he isn't reviewing Wii games anymore. :P

People, before we go any further, I'd love for you to discuss the issue at hand and not simply say, "well his opinion is stupid". The man makes a few good points, take that to heart.

ActicEdge

He acted like nintendo shoved the Wii remote up his .... nevermind.

yall know what i mean

People, before we go any further, I'd love for you to discuss the issue at hand and not simply say, "well his opinion is stupid". The man makes a few good points, take that to heart.

ActicEdge

Because the Wii is stupid, Levi. No, because any games that are coming out for the Wii are going to be dumb.

I know. Like even when they make a great game like Mario Galaxy I don't want to hold the Wii remote. It's stupid.

This is all you gave us. Judging by this, this guy is either a moron or his argument isn't well thought out, or both.

If you would let us know what he said that was a good point, then maybe we can discuss it.

IGN is full of immature, kindergarten journalists. Reading these guys blogs is quite telling.

[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

People, before we go any further, I'd love for you to discuss the issue at hand and not simply say, "well his opinion is stupid". The man makes a few good points, take that to heart.

Shinobishyguy

Did you miss the part where I posted "and the obligatory, backlash blog to the backlash"? I think people didn't read my whole post which is why I told you guys to take it easy and read THE WHOLE THING.

[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

People, before we go any further, I'd love for you to discuss the issue at hand and not simply say, "well his opinion is stupid". The man makes a few good points, take that to heart.

DaBrainz

Because the Wii is stupid, Levi. No, because any games that are coming out for the Wii are going to be dumb.

I know. Like even when they make a great game like Mario Galaxy I don't want to hold the Wii remote. It's stupid.

This is all you gave us. Judging by this, this guy is either a moron or his argument isn't well thought out, or both.

If you would let us know what he said that was a good point, then maybe we can discuss it.

Uh, its in the very first post of this thread :| The second link, open it up and read what it says. I wouldn't defend him without atleast giving a reason, read the whole post please, all the info is there.

[QUOTE="Shinobishyguy"][QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

People, before we go any further, I'd love for you to discuss the issue at hand and not simply say, "well his opinion is stupid". The man makes a few good points, take that to heart.

ActicEdge

Did you miss the part where I posted "and the obligatory, backlash blog to the backlash"? I think people didn't read my whole post which is why I told you guys to take it easy and read THE WHOLE THING.

[QUOTE="DaBrainz"]

[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

People, before we go any further, I'd love for you to discuss the issue at hand and not simply say, "well his opinion is stupid". The man makes a few good points, take that to heart.

ActicEdge

Because the Wii is stupid, Levi. No, because any games that are coming out for the Wii are going to be dumb.

I know. Like even when they make a great game like Mario Galaxy I don't want to hold the Wii remote. It's stupid.

This is all you gave us. Judging by this, this guy is either a moron or his argument isn't well thought out, or both.

If you would let us know what he said that was a good point, then maybe we can discuss it.

Uh, its in the very first post of this thread :| The second link, open it up and read what it says. I wouldn't defend him without atleast giving a reason, read the whole post please, all the info is there.

I'm not going to listen to an hour long podcast, it up to the TC to bring the info to discuss.

[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

[QUOTE="DaBrainz"]

Because the Wii is stupid, Levi. No, because any games that are coming out for the Wii are going to be dumb.

I know. Like even when they make a great game like Mario Galaxy I don't want to hold the Wii remote. It's stupid.

This is all you gave us. Judging by this, this guy is either a moron or his argument isn't well thought out, or both.

If you would let us know what he said that was a good point, then maybe we can discuss it.

DaBrainz

Uh, its in the very first post of this thread :| The second link, open it up and read what it says. I wouldn't defend him without atleast giving a reason, read the whole post please, all the info is there.

I'm not going to listen to an hour long podcast, it up to the TC to bring the info to discuss.

Its there. If you would open the link like I suggested you would see that there is a link to his blog. The blog is like 1 page long. Read that, likesaid read the whole post before asking for more info.

IGN is full of immature, kindergarten journalists. Reading these guys blogs is quite telling.

BioShockOwnz

Not just IGN. The overwhelming majority of video game journalists are immature and dumb.

From reading his blog, it sounds like he's just dissapointed with the Wii. He probably thought that Nintendo pulled a fast one when they announced that the "gamecube periferal" would become it's own platform. The Wii is diferent from the rest of the consoles, did it really take anyone this long to except this?! Apparently, he's still fed up about it...

I just find this whole sequence to be really bizarre, in all honesty. It's not as if I have any problem with Daemon for what he said; like anyone else, he's entitled to his own opinion about the Wii, Nintendo, and anything else he wishes to share. The thing that bugs me is that this is a guy who was getting paid for offering a fair assessment on the games he was reviewing, and now, it's hard to take anything that he has said to heart about the games he's reviewed for the system when he has classified the system itself as "stupid." Even the games he may have given positive nods to now mean less because he's acknowledged that nothing that the system offers is appealing to him and would be much better off on a more traditional console. He even goes off in his blog about what he thinks the Wii truly is, so it's starting to look like his stint on the IGN Nintendo team was a lie.

And then comes the whole "longtime Nintendo fan" excuse that is all the rage these days when people complain about Nintendo, which makes him look no better than your average fanboy with some imaginary grudge against Nintendo. He, like everyone else, should have known what the Wii would be capable of before investing into one, so the idea of acting like Nintendo has somehow cheated him is crazy, especially considering his former occupation. And if it was simply HIS opinion, he wouldn't be making remarks like "You and i deserve better than what Nintendo is delivering these days," and making it look like every IGN Nintendo member feels exactly the same way that he does. Personally, I still enjoy my Wii gaming experiences, and could do without people telling me what I need to look for in a video game system, as I've had many years of experience in gaming myself.

Yeah, it's just one man's opinion, but if he felt this way about the Wii from the start, why take the job of being a member of a Nintendo news team, knowing that what you say will always have the stench of not liking the system or Nintendo's philosophies at the moment? I'm sure there were people who trusted this man's views on games, and with remarks like this, he's betrayed the trust of those people. Not only that, but by suggesting that it's the entire IGN Nintendo team with this mentality, it only creates questions about the integrity of the entire crew. More power to him for saying what he said, but the damage he's created isn't going to be healed so quickly and completely.

This just goes to prove my point

Over at IGN they say good things about the Wii and give the scores they do because they're paid to do so

I don't know why anyone trusts what they have to say since they all do it.

"Oh I hate that"

"Here's some money"

"Oh, instant classic, buy it if you want more games like it Wii fans!"

I have a post on my blog about this:

http://www.gamespot.com/users/loco145/show_blog_entry.php?topic_id=m-100-25690554&tag=all-about;blog1

At least they admit it, something that failspot doesn't do..

This gen I only trust metacritic, a read 3 or 4 reviews to be sure whats the media opinion cause some reviewers seems to be more biased than before

There was almost no reason for me to visit IGN beside their fast reviews, but now I don't trust them so I'm never going to visit that page anymore

Its there. If you would open the link like I suggested you would see that there is a link to his blog. The blog is like 1 page long. Read that, likesaid read the whole post before asking for more info.

ActicEdge

The Wii was supposed to be a GameCube peripheral. Then Nintendo decided it wanted to turn the gimmick into its own system.

The fact that he is still calling it a gimmick is inflammatory itself, and has no substance.

The result is a library of outdated, contrived games that many of us don't want to play.

The only thing outdated on the Wii is the graphics. One could say thegames are contrived, but relitivly speaking they( the games)are more innovative than any other system this gen.

There are definitely great games for the system, and i fully support them. World of Goo was one of my favorite games last year. I play Boom Blox regularly. Tomorrow Swords & Soldiers is coming out on WiiWare and i gave it an 8.9. But all of these games could have been GameCube or "WiiHD" titles played with a motion control peripheral.

Again, relitively speaking, any game this gen on any system could of been played on a last gen system minus the incremental increase in graphic quality, yet he seems to speak as if the Wii is the only system with this problem.

On the IGN podcasts you'll find the editors at their most relaxed, casual, and honest. It is, in fact, the perfect environment for me to share my opinion that the Wii is stupid. And that's all it is: my opinion. What do you care if i think it's stupid? I'm not pushing an agenda. I'm not trying to take your Wii away from you. If you're happy with your Wii, that's great.

I'm not mad at him, I don't even know who he is.

What bothers me most about the reaction is that gamers don't seem to realize i'm on their side. I've been a Nintendo fan all my life; Mario 64 and Majora's Mask are my favorite games of all time. You and i deserve better than what Nintendo is delivering these days. Nintendo used to be the company we could count on to bring us the most technologically advanced games, packed full of the most fun and interesting game mechanics anywhere. When it arrived in 1998, Ocarina of Time was probably the greatest achievement in videogames' short lifespan. What do we have now? An underpowered system that adds goofy waggle controls to last-generation games. As i said, some developers are still producing great games with this modest hardware.

Wegot all the big N games within the first 1.5 years of the Wii, basically he is saying he is a graphics whore.

But the other systems are moving the industry forward with Fallout 3, Dead Space, The Orange Box, Modern Warfare, God of War III, Uncharted, Mass Effect, Alan Wake...
He talks about moving the industry forward yet lists a bunch of mainstream games with good graphics, I think I know what this guys problem is now.

All of this is, of course, still just my opinion.

He says this because he knows he is wrong and now he feels guilty

The other problem is that all the anger is aimed at me, despite the fact that most of the other podcast participants agreed with me. And the IGN Nintendo team is constantly calling the Wii and Nintendo out on everything that is wrong with the platform. They might not have come right out and called it "stupid," but you're just arguing semantics at this point. And to anyone who thinks we were being mean to Levi: Levi is one of my favorite people in the world. We're great friends. He's a big boy and can handle a little spirited discussion -- unlike a lot of people out there.

Yeah that Hillary girl agreed with him and frankly, anybody that hasn't had their wii plugged in since SMG is the epitome of casual gamer

A lot of comments on the podcast article feel it is unfair to call the Wii stupid without backing up my argument. To this i can only sigh, because i've been very vocal for a couple years now about all the problems I see with the system. In countless podcasts and articles on IGN i've related what a disappointment i think it is and why. once again for the hard of hearing: it's an underpowered gimmick system that plays ugly last-gen games (with a few notable exceptions).

But if you like your Wii, I think that's great. I have to wonder, though: if you're secure with your purchase why are you spending time and energy commenting on message boards about how upset you are? If you like the Wii, what do you care what i think? To get all bent out of shape makes you seem insecure -- as if, deep down, you know I'm right.

I'm not bent out of shape, like I stated, I've never heard of this noob.

The theme of this guys argument can be summed up in one sentence: "The only thing I care about is graphics, good graphics = teh innovation"

Sounds like something I would see on system wars.

Regarding his blog entry, to be perfectly honest, he sounds like a lot of other people I've read stuff from. The general gist of his argument goes basically like this: "The Wii is not like the other two consoles, and that's bad."

To this I ask the question I've asked all along: what in the world were you expecting? From the moment the Wii was announced, it was known that its main feature would be its controller, not its graphics capabilities. If you bought a Wii when you want games that are at the forefront of technical achievements, then you bought the wrong console - which is no more true today than it was in 2006.

The Wii was released precisely because Nintendo saw that three graphical Godzillas would just end up clawing each other apart. To complain that it is precisely what Nintendo said it was going to be is silly to the extreme.

This just goes to prove my point

Over at IGN they say good things about the Wii and give the scores they do because they're paid to do so

I don't know why anyone trusts what they have to say since they all do it.

"Oh I hate that"

"Here's some money"

"Oh, instant classic, buy it if you want more games like it Wii fans!"

Jaysonguy

It's interesting that he sites a bunch of games that don't innovate, for the most part. That tells me that it's less about innovation in game design and the way we play games and rather about game production values. That's fair enough if that is what he expects,Dead space was such a neat experience because of its graphics and atmospher, not because it had innovative game design. But he is right in saying that nintendo used to be at the head of the industry when it came to graphics and the like

So I'll give my opinion since this board is slow as heck. I can totally respect Daemon's opinion on the wii. There is some valid points in there for sure, however the guy just comes off as totally immature and it's not because I disagree with his opinion, its because of the childish way he presents it. He bashes it on Gamescoop, cool, he gets backlash, expected. Then he does what every game journalist (for lack of better title not trying to insult real journalists) does and writes a blog in which he tries to pin the hate back on the fan base like they didn't make any sort of good point. He seems to think people (as in everyone) is annoyed with him because he doesn't like the wii when the real reason people are annoyed is because there is not a single piece of good, backed up evidence in his analysis. Saying the wii is stupid is fine on say SW (the good posters will crush you though), however when you were part of the team of the system you despise so much, it annoys the fan base that all the BS you were talking about previously is just lies. Its also ridiculous that I've read posts from System Warriors with more depth and explanation than anything he said.

People also annoyed because all he has done with his antics is given the general public more reason to distrust the media. Fans of IGN wii are most likely sad to see that one of the writers for the system they enjoy is shallow minded enough to simply call the system and its games stupid with no explanation. It shows how simple minded and opposed to change the gaming industry is. They all flaunt about how innovative and unique they are but when something as simples as a console that decides to focus on control instead of tech they are all whiners. Also, don't think that this is just IGN people, this is the entire industry. It's funny how the games he thinks are pushing the industry are sequels to basic design and then has the nerve to insult Mario galaxy. The fact of the matter is that the first 10 galaxies of SMG probably have more industry pushing ideas than the testosterone action thrillers he's describing as industry pushing.

It's funny and sad that the industry can't make up its mind on what it wants to be. Does it want to be innovative? Does it want to push tech and try to replicate movies, does it want to be about fun? The fact is, the stagnant thoughts of the industry are what have made gaming so boring now a days. Nothing but big block busters pushing sales while games like Patapon, Zack and Wiki, etc, selling a fraction of what the industry pins them as deserving. Final thought, notice how the guy thinks GOW3 is industry pushing but something clever and inventive like portal or zack and wiki is not?

[QUOTE="Shinobishyguy"][QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

People, before we go any further, I'd love for you to discuss the issue at hand and not simply say, "well his opinion is stupid". The man makes a few good points, take that to heart.

Did you miss the part where I posted "and the obligatory, backlash blog to the backlash"? I think people didn't read my whole post which is why I told you guys to take it easy and read THE WHOLE THING.

[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

[QUOTE="Shinobishyguy"] he called all upcoming games for the wii stupid...that includes SMG2 and metroid: the other M I'm sorry...but thats just downright fanboyish :|Shinobishyguy

Did you miss the part where I posted "and the obligatory, backlash blog to the backlash"? I think people didn't read my whole post which is why I told you guys to take it easy and read THE WHOLE THING.

Where did I said he did? I said that he made some good points to think about. I never said I thought he was right or was off the hook for saying a lot of bullish things.

Not gonna lie. I Pretty much agree with him about how we should expect more from nintendo. I Bought a wii to play paper mario (didn't end up being the turn based RPG i love), am still waiting on the zelda game since twilight princess was a gc game, and enjoyed mario galaxy, but now they're making another one instead of unique new games. I Have RE4 / Okami /Baroque / Dokapon kingdom(the last 2 mainly to try out since i have so few wii games) but those are all on ps2 as well...

And honestly, i don't mind if it takes them time to makea few good games.But then they continue with more add ons like wii motion plus that become necessary to play the games. Thats really what's drawn the line for me. The Appeal of the wii was it was going to be a decent console that's cheap, but it's become (to me, for my taste in games) a bad to mediocre system, that's expensive.

The Wii has shown me nintendo has gone completely to the casual, and game companies realize that they can milk them VERY easy (which is why activision can still milk guitar hero for example when so many ppl just want to get certain songs viadlc, because casuals will continue to buy them, just like wii owners will continue to buy the accesories.

I'm not saying wii is completely bad. It Just ended up being wrong for me. But if you like almost all of the quirky titles they have then i can see how it can meet others' expectations. I Just wish they would make some more games so u didn't have to love most of the games for it to be worth it.

Apparently the Wii motion control is not innovative enough for him, which is understandable from a view from someone that has been playing and reviewing games for a long time.The reason why I say this is because all of these games for each console to him are probably the same thing storywise and gameplaywise it's just the graphics upgrade that makes it better to him and flicking a wiimote would not be enough to keep him satisfied. Also if you look at most of the games for the Wii, they are casual and frankly boring, having to constantly play games like that would be annoying after a while. So even when a good game comes out,he is burned out with playing all the cheesy ones that have horrible game play and graphics. If I was him with reviewing all those games I would probably have his same opinion, however, I don't play games as much, I don't buy the cheesy games, and I'm fine with a few great games that are fun to play, even if they are not graphic powerhouses.

Hilary Goldstein is a clown. Nothing he says is ever serious so I take it with a grain of salt. I mean, he hates Mario, Zelda, Metroid, Pikmin, Animal Crossing and every game Nintendo makes. He writes for the 360 team and his argument was that even if a Wii game is good, it's bad because it would look better if it was on the 360/PS3. By that same token, even if a 360 game is good, it's actually bad because it'd look better if it was a PS3 exclusive.

The guy's a clown. You don't get pissed off at clowns. They honk their nose and you laugh at them. You don't sit around and say, "how dare he disrespect noses like that!!! Why i've never seen something so..." That's what Goldstein is doing. That's what Gamescoop is. S and giggles. I don't think anyone listens to it honestly expecting a serious and well thought out discussion. You listen to hear what nonsense they'll say and for Greg Miller to come up with a funny term or do a funny voice.

This just goes to prove my point

Over at IGN they say good things about the Wii and give the scores they do because they're paid to do so

I don't know why anyone trusts what they have to say since they all do it.

"Oh I hate that"

"Here's some money"

"Oh, instant classic, buy it if you want more games like it Wii fans!"

Jaysonguy

Funny thing is that he completely misses the point with the backlash blog. It's not so much him saying he hates the Wii as much as it is saying he hates the Wii when he is supposed to be a writer for the Wii Team, whichcomesoff as betrayinghis responsibilities. He doesn't necessarily have to endlessly gush over the Wii, but why would you write for something you hate? It just leaves a black stain on anything he writes with his words in mind since he seems to have written begrudgingly as opposed to enthusiastically. The immature, unprofessional attitude those words conveyed doesn't help either.

I also find it amusing that he still acts like his opinionis fact, a cardinal journalism sin, in the blog. It's actually kind of insulting that he panders to the backlash by claiming he's on our side, assuming we all think alike and have the same mind as him.

This just goes to prove my point

Over at IGN they say good things about the Wii and give the scores they do because they're paid to do so

I don't know why anyone trusts what they have to say since they all do it.

"Oh I hate that"

"Here's some money"

"Oh, instant classic, buy it if you want more games like it Wii fans!"

Jaysonguy

Hey Jaysonguy, is this a post from you in the Conduit Thread where you actually believed what IGN stated?

[QUOTE="Jaysonguy"]

This is what the reviewer said

"I'm not sure who I should blame for The Conduit's shortcomings. Do I blame the developer for making a rather generic shooter with a convoluted storyline that isn't as epic or mysterious as it wants to be or do I blame Nintendo for creating a console whose lack of hardware power essentially handcuffs every developer who tries to create a "next-gen" game for it? Hell, maybe I should stay within the game's conspiracy theme and just chalk it up to the Illuminati -- they're always trying to ruin everything, right?"

So far it's not being well received

Jaysonguy

IGN said the online is broken

I thought you would enjoy contradicting yourself. Hey to add to your statement, MLB Power Pros got an 8.4 at IGN. So are you saying that IGN was paid to say what they did about that game as well? I don't care about reviews or scores but I just thought I'd point that out to ya.

[QUOTE="Jaysonguy"]

Hey Jaysonguy, is this a post from you in the Conduit Thread where you actually believed what IGN stated?

[QUOTE="Jaysonguy"]

[QUOTE="Jaysonguy"]

This is what the reviewer said

"I'm not sure who I should blame for The Conduit's shortcomings. Do I blame the developer for making a rather generic shooter with a convoluted storyline that isn't as epic or mysterious as it wants to be or do I blame Nintendo for creating a console whose lack of hardware power essentially handcuffs every developer who tries to create a "next-gen" game for it? Hell, maybe I should stay within the game's conspiracy theme and just chalk it up to the Illuminati -- they're always trying to ruin everything, right?"

So far it's not being well received

nini200

IGN said the online is broken

I thought you would enjoy contradicting yourself. Hey to add to your statement, MLB Power Pros got an 8.4 at IGN. So are you saying that IGN was paid to say what they did about that game as well? I don't care about reviews or scores but I just thought I'd point that out to ya.

The Wii was released precisely because Nintendo saw that three graphical Godzillas would just end up clawing each other apart. To complain that it is precisely what Nintendo said it was going to be is silly to the extreme.

GabuEx

I'll admit that I was on that bandwagon about two years ago and wascomplaining about the Wii's lack of power. I still complain, but the complaints have changed. It's more about the lack of core titles than anything. Admittedly E3 changed that somewhat, but it took awhile for me to start getting excited about Nintendo again.

I think the one thing that people weren't expecting was the difference between what the Wiiwould becapable of vs what the 360 and PS3 would be capable of. There's been so much to play on the 360 and PS3 that the Wii can't handle. And it's not only graphics, it's also physics, A.I., and draw distances. Just about everything that makes games what they can be are handled better by the other two systems. I think that's the reason there isn't more exctement overThe Conduit right now: Even with the better controls, it isn't anything that we haven't seen 100 times before.

Nintendo and third-parties compounded this problem by not giving us much to play for awhile. Other platforms were pounded with titles while the Wii was virtually ignored. It's no wonder that people's Wii's haven't even been looked at for awhile. This whole situation made it look like an outdated system with no real games to play, so it's fairly easy to understand where the perception comes from. I'm hoping with titles like No More Heroes 2, Dead Space, New Super Mario Bros, SMG2, and Other M that perception will change, but it might be too late.

[QUOTE="Jaysonguy"]

Hey Jaysonguy, is this a post from you in the Conduit Thread where you actually believed what IGN stated?

[QUOTE="Jaysonguy"]

[QUOTE="Jaysonguy"]

This is what the reviewer said

"I'm not sure who I should blame for The Conduit's shortcomings. Do I blame the developer for making a rather generic shooter with a convoluted storyline that isn't as epic or mysterious as it wants to be or do I blame Nintendo for creating a console whose lack of hardware power essentially handcuffs every developer who tries to create a "next-gen" game for it? Hell, maybe I should stay within the game's conspiracy theme and just chalk it up to the Illuminati -- they're always trying to ruin everything, right?"

So far it's not being well received

nini200

IGN said the online is broken

I thought you would enjoy contradicting yourself. Hey to add to your statement, MLB Power Pros got an 8.4 at IGN. So are you saying that IGN was paid to say what they did about that game as well? I don't care about reviews or scores but I just thought I'd point that out to ya.

And what did I say when I bring up IGN?

It's for the sole purpose of using the same site for bad things as people bring up for good things

As for Power Pros or any other title IGN just cares about money, give them money and they'll rate your game high.

[QUOTE="nini200"]

[QUOTE="Jaysonguy"]

IGN said the online is broken

I thought you would enjoy contradicting yourself. Hey to add to your statement, MLB Power Pros got an 8.4 at IGN. So are you saying that IGN was paid to say what they did about that game as well? I don't care about reviews or scores but I just thought I'd point that out to ya.

And what did I say when I bring up IGN?

It's for the sole purpose of using the same site for bad things as people bring up for good things

As for Power Pros or any other title IGN just cares about money, give them money and they'll rate your game high.

Regardless of his feelings on the Wii, I'm sure he has lost alot of credibility now. I never liked his reviews or him anyway. None of this is a suprise. I'm just sadfor the team that has this uncredible guy now.