RE5, Crysis, Mass Effect, Bioshock, and any other PC/360/PS3 game for Wii

I'm sad people. I'm sad because I bought a wii expecting exactly what I had seen from it - motion control, decent graphics, old games, and a lot of fun - but yet half of everybody else who bought the wii seems to have expected it to support titles that were created specifically for other consoles. That would be all well if there wasn't one convenient truth for us to realize...the wii was not made to compete graphically with any other next-gen platform. These other guys were built specifically to advance visual output this generation. PCs are custom built just for the visual edge that can be gained from a state-of-the-art system. The wii, while comparable in terms of fun and overall experience, was not made to compete in the looks department with the top-tier games of these other platforms. It's even noticeable on the multi-platform games, so why would we expect a version of other systems' exclusives to show up on wii?

Now before you start whining, complaining, and backlashing, let me make a few things clear. I am not saying that the wii can't be visually pleasing. It can provide visuals that are nice, even impressive in some cases. The sharp look of the wii's stylized graphics in 480p is something that I enjoy, and while I haven't seen it yet, I can't wait to give Mario Galaxy a spin on my HDTV because I know it's going to look awesome. However, there's a reason that Nintendo can profit off of a console that's priced at $250. Lot's of accessories, yes, but it's also because its processor, while fully capable, is not pushing the envelope like the other platforms' are. It takes a concentrated amount of time and effort for the developers making wii games to pull of an impressive visual display. And as we've seen from the overhaul of junk released on the system in its first year (Jenga anyone?), that's not something a lot of people are willing to do.

Perhaps the most important thing to note is that while you feel you're missing out on some epic games as a wii owner (and you probably are if you're just a wii owner), you're in on some of the most monumental games as well. Platforming isn't the main genre anymore, so they often get overlooked by other companies. But Nintendo just released Mario Galaxy, a game that will go down in history as one of, if not the best, platformer of all time. You've got Metroid Prime 3 and Medal Of Honor: Heroes 2 that not only show quality graphics on the wii, but change the face of FPS altogether. The way I see it, wii owners who enjoy FPS probably won't be able to go back to just a controller ever again. You've got the amazing possibilites with sports games that can be, if utilized correctly during this generation, a revolution in sports games until VR comes out. And while there are more party games than needed, a good one will have you and a couple of friends looking forward to playing wii every time you're together. You can virtually be a surgeon in Trauma Center, literally hack n slash your way through a game, drive through racing games with no extra peripherals, and even wield a light saber and yet we're complaining?

What you don't see, however, is PC/360/PS3 owners posting threads titled "Mario Galaxy for 360, IT'S POSSIBLE!" or "They should let the sixaxis be a gun that you can point at the screen." Why? Because they knew what they were getting when they chose their platform. They bought into their next-gen choice for what it offered them and decided that they were happy with those offerings. It's about time for us wii owners to do the same. Forget about high-end graphics and blood & guts titles. Forget about loads of FPS that feature online play that is expansive and intuitive. Your system doesn't have them. Your system is fun, inventive, innovative and cheap. Your system gives you access to exclusive titles from gaming history that you will never find on any other platform. If you want your system to do what other system's do, you might want to buy another system. Nobody ever said that you only had to own one console.

Then again, I'll have to check my wii handbook. There might have been something in there about owing allegiance to 'Mighty N'

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So...that's nice and all (yeah I read the whole thing)...but what exactly is your point?

You basically just said that Wii owners got a Wii because it was cheap and fun.

I myself got a Wii for games like Battalion Wars 2, Metroid Prime 3, Super Mario Galaxy, Sonic and the Secret Rings, Super Smash Bros. Brawl, Medal of Honour Heroes 2, Trauma Center, and so on. I didn't exactly choose it because of the price tag. That was sort of a bonus. I bought it because of my personal game preference. I mean, I'd love to play Halo 3 and Bioshock and such, but even so, believe it or not, they don't excite me nearly as much as some Wii games do. Why? Again, personal preference.

I don't really understand what you're trying to get at here anyway. You basically just say that the Wii can't compare to the 360 or PS3. And you say that we miss out on epic games...actually, I'll leave that point alone.

So, in all, could you just sum up your point? Thanks.

So...that's nice and all (yeah I read the whole thing)...but what exactly is your point?

You basically just said that Wii owners got a Wii because it was cheap and fun.

I myself got a Wii for games like Battalion Wars 2, Metroid Prime 3, Super Mario Galaxy, Sonic and the Secret Rings, Super Smash Bros. Brawl, Medal of Honour Heroes 2, Trauma Center, and so on. I didn't exactly choose it because of the price tag. That was sort of a bonus. I bought it because of my personal game preference. I mean, I'd love to play Halo 3 and Bioshock and such, but even so, believe it or not, they don't excite me nearly as much as some Wii games do. Why? Again, personal preference.

I don't really understand what you're trying to get at here anyway. You basically just say that the Wii can't compare to the 360 or PS3. And you say that we miss out on epic games...actually, I'll leave that point alone.

So, in all, could you just sum up your point? Thanks.

Dark_Link142

No. I said that the wii was cheap because its processor wasn'ttop-of-the-line. I said that I got a wii for innovation and fun...and isn't that why you got the games that you listed? My point was that wii owners do too much theorizing on what games could be remade and played on wii. We have our epic games (Mario Galaxy) and genre redefining titles (MP3, MOH:H2), but our owners are always looking to get in on other platforms' big draws as well. How pissed would any of us be if PS3 and 360 acquired use of motion sensing controls, nintendo exclusive titles, and license to all of Nintendo and Sega's previous software titles? Very pissed. But yet I see constant bickering over why the wii could run this game and that game. Love your console for what it does. I'm by no means stating that any console is better than another. They just offer different things. What I don't see is other platform owners proposing a plan for getting Trauma Center onto their console of choice. I'm saying love your system for what it does, and if you're that adamant about getting these games that the wii doesn't offer, get another console.

That, sir, is my point. Short enough?

You are correct in all aspects. I mean the graphics can be great at times, people who have played Metroid prime 3 and go to the thrid planet where you are on a large floating system above a giant cloud storm will understand the great graphics. The background and whole design is amazing and this is not on 480i.

The next best thing you brought up was the FPS control system. After playing Metroid 3 i will never NEVER!! enjoy the standard hand controller. The only thing that really drags us Wii owners down on graphical performance is the rubbish games that dont even try to leave an impression.

I am happy, i would really trully like to see graphics better than a 360 but i dont really care, if they keep pumping them out like Metroid and Mario galexy then i am happy.

RE5 should be on the Wii though, but thats a different argument....DaLegendKilla92

It should be, but the makers did what was smart. They did not know if the Wii would be successful or not, so they went for the PS3/360. There is a petition to bring RE5 to the Wii somewhere no? From what I remember the makers said that at 25,000 they would port the game over and we're at 29,000 or something like that..

I don't think wii owners neccesarily want titles from other consoles on the wii, but want more adult aimed games and stuff. I know a lot of people who have bought a wii this generation and not a 360 or ps3 because the wii is more fun to play, but it doesn't stop people wanting to play the type of games available on other consoles. I would love to play GTA on the Wii and Halo and Half life etc on the wii becuase they are great games, and just becuase I chose to buy a wii doesn't mean i shouldn't want to play them type of games. Also if the Wii is capable of producing good graphics there is no reason why i shouldn't feel let down when companies produce below par games for the wii (graphiclly as well as gameplay).storky86

Understood. But those other games are the selling point for those systems just like motion control, Metroid Prime 3, Mario Galaxy, and revolutionary FPS controls are for the wii. By saying you want those other games, you're saying you want another console. I just want people to realize that those other games are good reasons to actually go buy another console, not just wish the wii had them. And yes, we should feel let down when companies hash out ported PS2 crap. At least we can count on Nintendo to produce some quality titles. But as long as people are buying the crap, it'll keep coming.

My reasoning for getting a Wii is that all of the memorable and amazingly good games will be Wii exclusives. I wanted a console that acted like a console. Not a console that tried it's best to get as close to being a PC as possible. I like the Wii for what it is (bad graphics included). If I wanted high end gaming, I'd get a good gaming PC. effthat

exactly

I bought the console because it doesn't use a standard controller (which I am useless with) and because it is a console I can play with my wife. I think the issue people have is that the Wii is not getting the high budget games. I don't want RE5 ported from the 360, I want RE5 built from the ground up for Wii, with a budget similar to RE4 at least. But that isn't gonna happen, and so the best I can hope for is a port which maintains some of the high production values from the 360/PS3 original. RE:UC is nice, but I think we all know that it didn't have the same polish as RE4 or that RE5 will have.

I'm sorry, but I hate posts like this. Those kind of games are not what the Wii is about. We all KNOW that, and people KNEW that before the Wii was even coming out. If you want HD games then go buy an HD system. I myself have a 360. I never complain about the Wii because I love it for what it is...Those games would be translated to garbage on the Wiidarthlgp

Right on, i bought my wii on launch knowing it was incapable of having a good online community or good graphics vs the other consoles. I did end up getting a 360 this year because all my friends are big gamers and always playing online. I know whats in lineup for my wii that i will be getting and same with my 360. Maybe next year ps3 who knows

its not only the wii hardware capabilities, it is known that the wii is not even as powerful as the 1/3 of a ps3.

but i think the problem is in development, most of the wii games look like a cheap project.

i think that if Nintendo doesn't push toward quality titles, many people will be getting a ps3. because even wii owners cant keep playing crappy titles while everybody else is having fun on-line.

I'm a wii owner myself, i really like the controls and i cant go back to regular ones,but i love good graphics too. im not asking for ps3 quality, just some decent titles with decent content.

if things keep the way they are, sony will be making tons of cash from ps3 games while the wii will go down as fast as it went up.

[QUOTE="DaLegendKilla92"]RE5 should be on the Wii though, but thats a different argument....Kuhu

It should be, but the makers did what was smart. They did not know if the Wii would be successful or not, so they went for the PS3/360. There is a petition to bring RE5 to the Wii somewhere no? From what I remember the makers said that at 25,000 they would port the game over and we're at 29,000 or something like that..

[QUOTE="Dark_Link142"]

So...that's nice and all (yeah I read the whole thing)...but what exactly is your point?

You basically just said that Wii owners got a Wii because it was cheap and fun.

I myself got a Wii for games like Battalion Wars 2, Metroid Prime 3, Super Mario Galaxy, Sonic and the Secret Rings, Super Smash Bros. Brawl, Medal of Honour Heroes 2, Trauma Center, and so on. I didn't exactly choose it because of the price tag. That was sort of a bonus. I bought it because of my personal game preference. I mean, I'd love to play Halo 3 and Bioshock and such, but even so, believe it or not, they don't excite me nearly as much as some Wii games do. Why? Again, personal preference.

I don't really understand what you're trying to get at here anyway. You basically just say that the Wii can't compare to the 360 or PS3. And you say that we miss out on epic games...actually, I'll leave that point alone.

So, in all, could you just sum up your point? Thanks.

supreuph

No. I said that the wii was cheap because its processor wasn'ttop-of-the-line. I said that I got a wii for innovation and fun...and isn't that why you got the games that you listed? My point was that wii owners do too much theorizing on what games could be remade and played on wii. We have our epic games (Mario Galaxy) and genre redefining titles (MP3, MOH:H2), but our owners are always looking to get in on other platforms' big draws as well. How pissed would any of us be if PS3 and 360 acquired use of motion sensing controls, nintendo exclusive titles, and license to all of Nintendo and Sega's previous software titles? Very pissed. But yet I see constant bickering over why the wii could run this game and that game. Love your console for what it does. I'm by no means stating that any console is better than another. They just offer different things. What I don't see is other platform owners proposing a plan for getting Trauma Center onto their console of choice. I'm saying love your system for what it does, and if you're that adamant about getting these games that the wii doesn't offer, get another console.

That, sir, is my point. Short enough?

I see. And I fully agree.

People want other consoles titles because they don't want to miss out on what could become a classic. Its like never getting to play sonic if you had a SNES instead of a megadrive. All consoles have their good points - but the wii has something that is different, its motion control - an actual revolution :)JohnDW

No doubt, but is it a necessary revolution? You can't play fighting games with the remote. Mouse and keyboard work well if not better than the remote forFPS andRTS games. The gaming community is in no such need of a new controller. If anything, the remote only makes your hand more tired, because you have to constantly be beaming a signal to a precise point on the screen. When i played the Wii at my friend's house, i noticed something. Having a couch 5 meters away from the TV increases the lever arm of the remote signal. So, a slight change in the angle of rotation of my arm results is a very large displacement in the cursor. Takes some getting use to, but why not just opt for a mouse.

To cut a long story short, the remote is not a necessity, but merely a gimmick. Something new, but not needed. Motion sensing may have it's uses, but not necessarily in a form of a remote, and definitely not for widespread implementation. If you are a fighting game fan, you will understand that nothing works better than a classic arcade stick or a conventional controller.

No doubt, but is it a necessary revolution? You can't play fighting games with the remote. Mouse and keyboard work well if not better than the remote forFPS andRTS games. The gaming community is in no such need of a new controller. If anything, the remote only makes your hand more tired, because you have to constantly be beaming a signal to a precise point on the screen. When i played the Wii at my friend's house, i noticed something. Having a couch 5 meters away from the TV increases the lever arm of the remote signal. So, a slight change in the angle of rotation of my arm results is a very large displacement in the cursor. Takes some getting use to, but why not just opt for a mouse.

To cut a long story short, the remote is not a necessity, but merely a gimmick. Something new, but not needed. Motion sensing may have it's uses, but not necessarily in a form of a remote, and definitely not for widespread implementation. If you are a fighting game fan, you will understand that nothing works better than a classic arcade stick or a conventional controller.

jhcho2

Your points:

Controller is not suited for fighting games --- Mouse and Keyboard work better for FPS & RTS --- 5 meters distance results in large jumps of the cursor --- motion sensing isn't for widespread implementation

Before I start refutation of your lackluster arguments, I'll note that this is usually how threads go awry. Conversation about a topic that generates some genuine opinions, and then a response to a minor part of one of those opinions that leads to unbased (although civilized in this case) downtrodding.

Now...the controller isn't suited for fighting games. This is very true. It was a concern of mine once I started hearing all of the Smash Bros hype. Luckily for us, there are always control alternatives, as the classic controller is always an option. It may suck somewhat to have to have a periphal in order to experience great gameplay in a fighting game, but it's not the case with every game. Some games make use of several different buttons that are too numerous for the wii/nunchuck combo (a streetfighter or Capcom Vs anybody game), but if the game is pretty much a 2 button + special moves control style (Dragon Ball Z games) then that's not a problem. With the wii, the controls open up doors to games like Zack & Wiki, whose controls could not be implemented (at least not nearly as interestingly) onother platforms. The PC could make use of point and click games, but would be seriously lacking as far as fighting game controls are concerned. PS3 & 360 each have great controls for fighting games, good controls for FPS, but could you really play a point and click game as efficiently on them?

I'm not a fan of RTS, so I can't argue about their controls. But the reason so many wii owners are spoiled after playing Metroid Prime 3 and Medal of Honor: Heroes 2 is that the motion controls make for the most realistic FPS controls scheme available right now. While most sit on their chairs with a mouse in one hand and their left on a letter or an arrow, wii owners can stand (or sit if preferred) aim at their foes, spray focused or sweeping shots of fire, actually throw grenades onto the battle field, and pan left and right with thier weapon. Comparing the two experiences, I don't think you can say that a mouse and keyboard work better. That boils down to simply a matter of opinion (and an unrealistic one at that).

If your friend had read the instructions on how to properly implement the IR motion sensor, he would know that 5 meters is too far to position yourself away from the sensor. Ideally, 6 feet is required to experience tight controls.

As far as what is or isn't for widespread implementation...why isn't motion sensing for everyone? I think the response to motion control speaks volumes about anybody who can even let this come out of their mouths. What you really mean is "I don't think motion-sensing is good." Regardless of your opinion of the tech, you can't deny that it's changing the way people play games. That's a revolution. Is it necessary? No, but then again no technology is necessary. Was it necessary for Xbox to fully implement online gaming? No. Would the gaming industry have gone on without it? Of course it would have. If portable devices were never invented, would we still be playing video games? Of course we would be. That statement raises questions not only of whether or not new technologies are necessary, but also what they are necessary to. To continued gaming? Nothing this generation has been.

Indeed indeed, very true. :)

I for one have spent counless hours just playing Mario Strikers alone, don't even get me started on Galaxy! :D Oh w00t, Mario Kart's comin':P

I don't know.. I think the title is somewhat misleading though.

I agree completely when considering games like Crysis, Mass Effect and Bioshock; those are games you knew you wouldn't see on the Wii, but neither on the PS3 though....

Crysis: a typical PC game in the sense that it's pushing the hardware, needs more advanced videocards than currently available and won't be on any console for at least a little while

Mass Effect: Any Bioware fan knows their games are PC titles and they shifted towards Xbox/PC in the Xbox era. Those games are Microsoft only and you could wait for them if you like PC gaming or just buy a 360

Bioshock: kinda similar

BUT I don't think RE5 is a good example! Capcom is the typical multiplatform company in the 'I promise it will only be on 1 system, but nonetheless we'll bring it to the other systems pretty soon too' sense. Yes, they're obviously pushing the limits with RE5, but they did that as well with RE4 on the Cube, and that came to the PS2 as well. Surely the gap between GC and PS2 isn't as big as the gap between 360/PS3 and Wii, but the Wii will only have to be 480p instead of 720/1080p!! This really leaves possibilities open for a good RE5 on Wii. Of course it will not be as 'life-like' 'cause some graphical effects would be hard to implement on Wii, but graphics-wise it can and should be between RE4 and REMake (but then real-time) quality. I don't see how that can be bad...

As a Wii owner you indeed should know what you will and won't get on the system, but giving up too easily is like saying to all 3rd party developers: 'please don't try too hard for us, 'cause we're easily satisfied'!