Say Hello to the 3DS's official GPU!

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=398994

Here's a link to the NeoGaf thread that has a link to the official press release, in japanese, that states this is the GPU in the 3DS by the company I believe

And here are the specifications for the GPU itself

Pushes 15 million polygons. More details as they arrive. Sorry if old

From what i understand, it seems like its a good CPU, with advantages over the GCN and Wii, and disadvantages too. (kinda like DS and N64? huh)

The big idea with this is its got OpenGL 1.1 or something, and its cheap it seems, and its effective, it doesn't require much energy. The idea is smarter, not stronger, at least thats what they're saying at NeoGaf

From what i'm hearing, and i'm not tech expert, this is a good economical decision by Nintendo. This is a line of GPUs. We don't know the actual clock speed of the GPU in the 3DS but it will come from this line and generally all the GPUs in that line have the features listed in that link

It seems better than DC, PS2, but not as good as GCN.

I'm reading that this will help keep battery life very high, it will use last gen tech and add some of the effects of current generation shaders.

So basically, any fear of the 3DS being $250 or $300 just went out the window. Its an affordable GPU from what I understand. Good performance, and its giving us the most power we could get while saving battery life and being cost effective, but i'm no expert once again

lol whats with all the post darth? Anyway, around the GC is what I expected and like I posted a few minutes ago in price prediction thread, Nintendo is known for using cost efficient tech, so the most expensive part of the handheld is probably the screen, so a high price is very very unlikely. Sepewrath

Yea, we already know the 3D screen is only about $20, the second screen is about the same price of DS's screens, roughly $10 or so for one screen.

I'm thinking it'll cost maybe $100-$130 to manufacture per unit, and a $169-$199 price point is entirely popular

Yes, DSi is $169 and XL is $189 now but they're getting price drops

And also, we have no clue Nintendo is basing the 3DS's price off the North American $189 XL. the DSi is going down to the DS Lites price in Europe and Japan, North America isn't far behind.

Here's a video demonstration of the PICA 200 suposably used in the 3DS. Depending on the rest of the 3DS architecture, this might give you an idea of what the 3DS is capable of.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3A-xxUyJvQQ

The big idea with this is its got OpenGL 1.1 or something, and its cheap it seems, and its effective, it doesn't require much energy. The idea is smarter, not stronger, at least thats what they're saying at NeoGaf

darth-pyschosis

It supports OpenGL for Embedded Systems v1.1. Which is based on OpenGL v1.5.

From what i understand, it seems like its a good CPU, with advantages over the GCN and Wii, and disadvantages too. (kinda like DS and N64? huh)

The big idea with this is its got OpenGL 1.1 or something, and its cheap it seems, and its effective, it doesn't require much energy. The idea is smarter, not stronger, at least thats what they're saying at NeoGaf

darth-pyschosis

http://www.dmprof.com/index_en.htmlDigital Media Professionals website, the developer for the 3DS GPU. I knew Nintendo was using a DMP but didn't know which one. I thought Nintendo was using SMAPH-S, DMP's strongest GPU for mobile platforms.The PICA200 was made in 2006, so it's probably cheap by now. Like Darth said, the 3DS could be cheaper than we thought because Nintendo is using inexpensive parts.

So basically, any fear of the 3DS being $250 or $300 just went out the window. Its an affordable GPU from what I understand. Good performance, and its giving us the most power we could get while saving battery life and being cost effective, but i'm no expert once againdarth-pyschosis

http://www.dmprof.com/index_en.htmlDigital Media Professionals website, the developer for the 3DS GPU. I knew Nintendo was using a DMP but didn't know which one. I thought Nintendo was using SMAPH-S, DMP's strongest GPU for mobile platforms.The PICA200 was made in 2006, so it's probably cheap by now. Like Darth said, the 3DS could be cheaper than we thought because Nintendo is using inexpensive parts.

LoserMike

[QUOTE="LoserMike"]

http://www.dmprof.com/index_en.htmlDigital Media Professionals website, the developer for the 3DS GPU. I knew Nintendo was using a DMP but didn't know which one. I thought Nintendo was using SMAPH-S, DMP's strongest GPU for mobile platforms.The PICA200 was made in 2006, so it's probably cheap by now. Like Darth said, the 3DS could be cheaper than we thought because Nintendo is using inexpensive parts.

soulreaper-4

The CPU (ARM, probably a Cortex A8 or lower), GPU (developed in 2006), touchscreen (DS and every smartphone has it (is it even multi-touch, if not, than it's even cheaper), accelerometer (Wii, PS3, cell phones have this), gyroscope (Wii Motion Plus, Move, and cell phones), microphone (every sound recording device), low-resolution cameras (0.3 Megapixels, new phones have 5+ Megapixels), and wifi (every mobile device) are all based on mature technology that can be manufactured cheaply. All of these materials are mass produced, which greatly reduces the costs of manufacturing.

The only expensive part is the 3D screen, Nintendo is going to be the first company to mass-produce 3D glasses-free screens.

Also, since most of this tech was already out, Nintendo did not need to spend as much on R&D.

All Nintendo consoles are sold at a profit, Nintendo does not lose money selling their consoles. One of Iwata Asks interviews on Nintendo.com was about the Wii Motion Plus. Nintendo could've released the Wii Motion Plus at the launch of the Wii but it would've been really expensive because gyroscope production technology had not mature by then yet. Nintendo waited until prices to go down to release the Wii Motion Plus.

BTW, I don't think it'll be cheaper than the DSi XL. I expect it to cost $200. But it's inexpensive in relative terms, look at the cost of most Cell phones with the same graphical abilities, they're at least $200, even more if you don't sign up for a new contract.

[QUOTE="soulreaper-4"][QUOTE="LoserMike"]

http://www.dmprof.com/index_en.htmlDigital Media Professionals website, the developer for the 3DS GPU. I knew Nintendo was using a DMP but didn't know which one. I thought Nintendo was using SMAPH-S, DMP's strongest GPU for mobile platforms.The PICA200 was made in 2006, so it's probably cheap by now. Like Darth said, the 3DS could be cheaper than we thought because Nintendo is using inexpensive parts.

The CPU (ARM, probably a Cortex A8 or lower), GPU (developed in 2006), touchscreen (DS and every smartphone has it (is it even multi-touch, if not, than it's even cheaper), accelerometer (Wii, PS3, cell phones have this), gyroscope (Wii Motion Plus, Move, and cell phones), microphone (every sound recording device), low-resolution cameras (0.3 Megapixels, new phones have 5+ Megapixels), and wifi (every mobile device) are all based on mature technology that can be manufactured cheaply. All of these materials are mass produced, which greatly reduces the costs of manufacturing.

The only expensive part is the 3D screen, Nintendo is going to be the first company to mass-produce 3D glasses-free screens.

Also, since most of this tech was already out, Nintendo did not need to spend as much on R&D.

All Nintendo consoles are sold at a profit, Nintendo does not lose money selling their consoles. One of Iwata Asks interviews on Nintendo.com was about the Wii Motion Plus. Nintendo could've released the Wii Motion Plus at the launch of the Wii but it would've been really expensive because gyroscope production technology had not mature by then yet. Nintendo waited until prices to go down to release the Wii Motion Plus.

BTW, I don't think it'll be cheaper than the DSi XL. I expect it to cost $200. But it's inexpensive in relative terms, look at the cost of most Cell phones with the same graphical abilities, they're at least $200, even more if you don't sign up for a new contract.

lol whats with all the post darth? Anyway, around the GC is what I expected and like I posted a few minutes ago in price prediction thread, Nintendo is known for using cost efficient tech, so the most expensive part of the handheld is probably the screen, so a high price is very very unlikely. Sepewrath

Nintendo has always been good at cutting costs in the right places to sell for cheaper and make bigger profits than everyone else at the same time. Giving consumers a good balance of tech/cost. I remember when Sony announced the PS3 was going to launch at $500 and defended themselves by saying, "it's just the cost of going out for a nice dinner". And with Microsoft's $150 Kinect accesory, both companies are just showing how out of touch they are with the average gamer/family. Nintendo just gets it. Period.

[QUOTE="LoserMike"]

[QUOTE="soulreaper-4"] Don't expect the 3DS to cost $130 or $150. It will definetely cost more than the current DS. What are the inexpensive part they are using? Do you work for them? From what i understand a portable system is not only composed of a GPU. What about the other parts?soulreaper-4

The CPU (ARM, probably a Cortex A8 or lower), GPU (developed in 2006), touchscreen (DS and every smartphone has it (is it even multi-touch, if not, than it's even cheaper), accelerometer (Wii, PS3, cell phones have this), gyroscope (Wii Motion Plus, Move, and cell phones), microphone (every sound recording device), low-resolution cameras (0.3 Megapixels, new phones have 5+ Megapixels), and wifi (every mobile device) are all based on mature technology that can be manufactured cheaply. All of these materials are mass produced, which greatly reduces the costs of manufacturing.

The only expensive part is the 3D screen, Nintendo is going to be the first company to mass-produce 3D glasses-free screens.

Also, since most of this tech was already out, Nintendo did not need to spend as much on R&D.

All Nintendo consoles are sold at a profit, Nintendo does not lose money selling their consoles. One of Iwata Asks interviews on Nintendo.com was about the Wii Motion Plus. Nintendo could've released the Wii Motion Plus at the launch of the Wii but it would've been really expensive because gyroscope production technology had not mature by then yet. Nintendo waited until prices to go down to release the Wii Motion Plus.

BTW, I don't think it'll be cheaper than the DSi XL. I expect it to cost $200. But it's inexpensive in relative terms, look at the cost of most Cell phones with the same graphical abilities, they're at least $200, even more if you don't sign up for a new contract.

Well the iPod touch and Zune HD are sold for less or about $200 and have argueable better specs than what we expect in the 3DS

833Mhz ARM CPU, 256MB RAM, Wireless N, 100mHZ GPU (is the only difference really, that the 3DS will have a better GPU), 8GB flash memory, multi-touch screen, 480x320 screen, Accelorameter all in the $200 ipod touch which is sold at a profit too. its estimated that it costs roughly $150 per 8GB iTouch.

so lets compare.

Will the 3DS have a CPU to match the iTouch, it could. Will it have 256MB RAM? Not likely, 32MB-64MB is very likely. Wireless N? Nope, no need. the GPU in the 3DS appears better than the one in the iTouch so its got it there, 8GB memory?? No i doubt 3DS has more than 4GBs. Multi-Touch? Nope 3DS uses a stylus still, which implies that no the screen isn't multi-touch. screen resolution? well its 3D, but the bottom screen is oly 320x240, accelorameter both have that and there's a gyro thing in the 3DS.

All in all, i'm thinking (like i keep saying) this will be cheaper than most think. You can get mobile devices like Zune HD, iPod Touch that already throw a graphics and power fight with the GameCube/PS2 for $200 or less. Heck, the Zune is sold for $180-$200 and it has an OLED display, a multi-core CPU, Nvidia Tegra, 16GB memory, multi-touch, 256MB RAM, a decent GPU, etc.

Man i would've loved an OLED display on the 3DS

Smart move by Nintendo I think... you should post this is SW too.

Man i would've loved an OLED display on the 3DS

darth-pyschosis

I wouldn't. Those things are bloody useless anywhere near sunlight.

Don't expect the 3DS to cost $130 or $150. It will definetely cost more than the current DS. What are the inexpensive part they are using? Do you work for them? From what i understand a portable system is not only composed of a GPU. What about the other parts?soulreaper-4

[QUOTE="darth-pyschosis"]

[QUOTE="soulreaper-4"] Man don't take it personally but you really think you are a Nintendo employee. Sure every smarth phone as poeple call them have some of those features but how much they cost?$200 to $300 plust a two years contratc playing almost $50 dollars a months in most cases. As i said everything new in the market features components made 4 or more years ago. The only thing i personally care is getting the system and have fun with it playing cool games, tech is just a tool and in the end what matters most is they way the games it have are made.soulreaper-4

Well the iPod touch and Zune HD are sold for less or about $200 and have argueable better specs than what we expect in the 3DS

833Mhz ARM CPU, 256MB RAM, Wireless N, 100mHZ GPU (is the only difference really, that the 3DS will have a better GPU), 8GB flash memory, multi-touch screen, 480x320 screen, Accelorameter all in the $200 ipod touch which is sold at a profit too. its estimated that it costs roughly $150 per 8GB iTouch.

so lets compare.

Will the 3DS have a CPU to match the iTouch, it could. Will it have 256MB RAM? Not likely, 32MB-64MB is very likely. Wireless N? Nope, no need. the GPU in the 3DS appears better than the one in the iTouch so its got it there, 8GB memory?? No i doubt 3DS has more than 4GBs. Multi-Touch? Nope 3DS uses a stylus still, which implies that no the screen isn't multi-touch. screen resolution? well its 3D, but the bottom screen is oly 320x240, accelorameter both have that and there's a gyro thing in the 3DS.

All in all, i'm thinking (like i keep saying) this will be cheaper than most think. You can get mobile devices like Zune HD, iPod Touch that already throw a graphics and power fight with the GameCube/PS2 for $200 or less. Heck, the Zune is sold for $180-$200 and it has an OLED display, a multi-core CPU, Nvidia Tegra, 16GB memory, multi-touch, 256MB RAM, a decent GPU, etc.

Man i would've loved an OLED display on the 3DS

It would be nice if they were going to make the 3DS cheap*ish* but i dont wanna get my hopes up, they know mostly everyone is interested in the 3DS and really even if they overpriced it they know people will still buy it.

even if they overpriced it they know people will still buy it.

Blake135

This was posted a few pages into that NeoGaf thread:

[QUOTE="Blake135"]

even if they overpriced it they know people will still buy it.

BrunoBRS

Well i personally think The Wii was and maybe still is alittle over priced but it sold like crazy because of the casual crowd as i think the 3DS will attract them too. Im probably just looking at the *glass is half empty* I dont think Nintendo will over price it im just saying they might as they are very well capable of it while making profit.

Oh the usual fanboy defense, your going to have to do better than that. I present evidence, the best opening day lineup in the world wont help you move a 600 dollar console. 600 bucks is almost rent, your not going to find a large number of people willing to shell out for that and still have to buy games. History has clearly indicated price is more important than lineup i.e PS2 with its terrible launch lineup. Yeah Nintendo did market the wiimote, but if they market the wiimote at 500 dollars, people would have told them they can keep that.

You said the PS3 outsold the 360? Well of course, it was the new hotness, there was a 360 shortage, RROD fever was rampant, the PS3 had a bluray player and just a year prior it was the dominant market leader. But even with all that, the promise of God of War, Killzone, Final Fantasy. Metal Gear Solid, Gran Turismo 5 etc. it paled in comparison to the WIi, which did not have the best opening day lineup itself. Mario, Metroid, Mario Kart, online play, all these things were a ways off. But it sold because of its price.

The same thing applies to the 3DS, it has the buzz feature of the day in 3D and it promises a spectacular lineup, is the dominant market leader and its competition isn't exactly at its best right now. Sound familiar? All that can be undone with poor pricing. just like all the the examples I have given in these last two post. I don't know how you attribute any of that to fanboyism, I would assume its because you needed a crutch, your welcome to use it again.

Darth, i dont mean to be a jerk, but i suggest u cool down with the tech "analysis". Theres alot more besides mere numbers idk how many times i have to say this.

anyway in regards to the GPU. (im posting this froma another thread i was in) Its confirmed to be using a PICA200 from DMP, but its not confirmed wether it is using the 2006 varient or 2008 which is significantly faster. I assume its using the 2008 varient because the 2006 version is basically a GC with shaders. Many devs have stated that it is stronger than the Wii so that might mean its using the 08 version since its much better than the GC at rendering textured polygons (40m/s max).

[QUOTE="tequilasunriser"][QUOTE="soulreaper-4"] Man you really seems to think you are a tech MumboJumbo LOL. Why don't you change to PC gaming there you can make some friends to talk about numbers LOL. A Zune is not really a gaming machine and comparing a 3DS to a Cell Phone doesn't makes sense. Tech is great and all but in the end it is just a tool that need to be use correctly to create great, inovative and fun experiences as Iwata said in E3. For what you want to be saying " Hey this Zune features high higher specs" when it doesn't have great gaming experiences. Again the only thing i care is having a great gaming system with fun experiences.soulreaper-4

Darth, i dont mean to be a jerk, but i suggest u cool down with the tech "analysis". Theres alot more besides mere numbers idk how many times i have to say this.

anyway in regards to the GPU. (im posting this froma another thread i was in) Its confirmed to be using a PICA200 from DMP, but its not confirmed wether it is using the 2006 varient or 2008 which is significantly faster. I assume its using the 2008 varient because the 2006 version is basically a GC with shaders. Many devs have stated that it is stronger than the Wii so that might mean its using the 08 version since its much better than the GC at rendering textured polygons (40m/s max).

painguy1

How can i cool down when all i'm doing is providing links to information and i'm not saying very much on it. My OP is like, 3 lines.

My "tech analysis" is only that its an older GPU, its energy effiecent, and it seems to put out the performance i desire, so i'm thrilled. Also the fact that it won't be very costly is terrific too