SMG2: No more hub world?

From the looks of this new screen it seems like SMG2 will proceed on a path much like older games, with worlds that have galaxies (levels) in them (if that ain't confusing).

What do you guys think? Good idea, bad idea, I'm reading too much into it that's not what the screen shows at all?

If what I'm seeing is true, I don't think I like it.

I have no problem with it. If you look at th pic with the example of the 3 worlds, it looks like they are themed around a distinct setting(Much like 2d Mario's).

If you look closely you will see the Mario head on the world the player is on. I believe that the hub world will be in the form of a giant ship.

I like the idea of having progressive worlds, because it gives me hope that perhaps the Koppa Kids will finally be realized in 3d greatness. A guy can dream can't he?

You look to be correct according to that screenshot. I don't mind so much since the first galaxy's hub was pretty pointless space to traverse and this new game makes its predecessor look completely uninovative in comparison.

It almost looks like each "world" is a hub, with several smaller planets or moons surrounding it, each being its own level.

Dunno, can't really gather much from one screenshot.

Can anyone explain what Mario's wearing on his head? Almost looks like a Bowser cap...

If true it looks like they're really going all out to make this a title for the casual user

Making it linear makes it casual friendly, there's been many interviews saying that the whole point of gaining the casual player's attention is to put them in the gameplay as quickly as possible. By taking out the hub you allow the casual user a straight path for instant gratification.

I think it's a good idea

If true it looks like they're really going all out to make this a title for the casual user

Making it linear makes it casual friendly, there's been many interviews saying that the whole point of gaining the casual player's attention is to put them in the gameplay as quickly as possible. By taking out the hub you allow the casual user a straight path for instant gratification.

I think it's a good idea

Jaysonguy

Yea but at the same time, Shiggy previously stated that it would be more difficult than Galaxy 1. I do not know what to make of it.

[QUOTE="Jaysonguy"]

If true it looks like they're really going all out to make this a title for the casual user

Making it linear makes it casual friendly, there's been many interviews saying that the whole point of gaining the casual player's attention is to put them in the gameplay as quickly as possible. By taking out the hub you allow the casual user a straight path for instant gratification.

I think it's a good idea

Captain_Lorelli

Yea but at the same time, Shiggy previously stated that it would be more difficult than Galaxy 1. I do not know what to make of it.

Ehh, I'm all past that, I think Nintendo is just saying that to make people feel better about the titles

New Super Mario was supposed to be a hard game and look how that turned out too

[QUOTE="Captain_Lorelli"]

[QUOTE="Jaysonguy"]

If true it looks like they're really going all out to make this a title for the casual user

Making it linear makes it casual friendly, there's been many interviews saying that the whole point of gaining the casual player's attention is to put them in the gameplay as quickly as possible. By taking out the hub you allow the casual user a straight path for instant gratification.

I think it's a good idea

Jaysonguy

Yea but at the same time, Shiggy previously stated that it would be more difficult than Galaxy 1. I do not know what to make of it.

Ehh, I'm all past that, I think Nintendo is just saying that to make people feel better about the titles

New Super Mario was supposed to be a hard game and look how that turned out too

[QUOTE="Captain_Lorelli"]

[QUOTE="Jaysonguy"]

If true it looks like they're really going all out to make this a title for the casual user

Making it linear makes it casual friendly, there's been many interviews saying that the whole point of gaining the casual player's attention is to put them in the gameplay as quickly as possible. By taking out the hub you allow the casual user a straight path for instant gratification.

I think it's a good idea

Jaysonguy

Yea but at the same time, Shiggy previously stated that it would be more difficult than Galaxy 1. I do not know what to make of it.

Ehh, I'm all past that, I think Nintendo is just saying that to make people feel better about the titles

New Super Mario was supposed to be a hard game and look how that turned out too

I thought parts of it were very hard, i guess you didn't have trouble with those parts?

You look to be correct according to that screenshot. I don't mind so much since the first galaxy's hub was pretty pointless space to traverse and this new game makes its predecessor look completely uninovative in comparison.

Pikminmaniac

It almost looks like each "world" is a hub, with several smaller planets or moons surrounding it, each being its own level.

Dunno, can't really gather much from one screenshot.

Can anyone explain what Mario's wearing on his head? Almost looks like a Bowser cap...

bob_newman

[QUOTE="Captain_Lorelli"]

[QUOTE="Jaysonguy"]

If true it looks like they're really going all out to make this a title for the casual user

Making it linear makes it casual friendly, there's been many interviews saying that the whole point of gaining the casual player's attention is to put them in the gameplay as quickly as possible. By taking out the hub you allow the casual user a straight path for instant gratification.

I think it's a good idea

Jaysonguy

Yea but at the same time, Shiggy previously stated that it would be more difficult than Galaxy 1. I do not know what to make of it.

Ehh, I'm all past that, I think Nintendo is just saying that to make people feel better about the titles

New Super Mario was supposed to be a hard game and look how that turned out too

Agreed, but perhaps that is because we have more experience with games than the average gamer. I believe NSMBW was definately harder than SMW, but no where close to SMB3. I think what hurts Galaxy difficulty wise is that there is not a whole lot of ways to bite the dust. Very rarely in Galaxy 1 were there levels that when you fell off the level you died. You basically had to run into enemies 5 times to die and there were coins floating around everywhere. I dunno, I loved number 1 and I know 2 will deliver for me at least.

Mario's head will be the hub world just pay attention to the World Selection screenshot! :D

If true it looks like they're really going all out to make this a title for the casual user

Making it linear makes it casual friendly, there's been many interviews saying that the whole point of gaining the casual player's attention is to put them in the gameplay as quickly as possible. By taking out the hub you allow the casual user a straight path for instant gratification.

I think it's a good idea

I believe NSMBW was definately harder than SMW, but no where close to SMB3. I think what hurts Galaxy difficulty wise is that there is not a whole lot of ways to bite the dust. In order to make a 20 minutes game worth $50 they made it tough as nails so it would hundreds of replays to try and get to the end.

Captain_Lorelli

I agree with your post, but people need to keep in mind SMB3 was from the nes era when games were insanely difficult and frustrating for your average game player..

NSMB was able to get away with a tougher game than most recent Mario's because of the aided walkthrough built into the game.. Galaxy will not have this, but I expect more crazy challenges like luigi's purple coins as optional parts of the game as in the first.

NSMB was able to get away with a tougher game than most recent Mario's because of the aided walkthrough built into the game.. Galaxy will not have this

-Skeletor-

Is that confirmed or did you just make that up?

[QUOTE="-Skeletor-"]

NSMB was able to get away with a tougher game than most recent Mario's because of the aided walkthrough built into the game.. Galaxy will not have this

bob_newman

Is that confirmed or did you just make that up?

[QUOTE="Captain_Lorelli"]

[QUOTE="Jaysonguy"]

If true it looks like they're really going all out to make this a title for the casual user

Making it linear makes it casual friendly, there's been many interviews saying that the whole point of gaining the casual player's attention is to put them in the gameplay as quickly as possible. By taking out the hub you allow the casual user a straight path for instant gratification.

I think it's a good idea

Jaysonguy

Yea but at the same time, Shiggy previously stated that it would be more difficult than Galaxy 1. I do not know what to make of it.

Ehh, I'm all past that, I think Nintendo is just saying that to make people feel better about the titles

New Super Mario was supposed to be a hard game and look how that turned out too

It turned out to be a damn hard game. IMO only Lost Levels is harder

Whatever I'm fine with it. The hub world in galaxy 1 was bland and forgetable for me anyways :(

If they want to bring back the hub it needs to be on par with SMS or at least M64!

As for NSMBW being tough, ya I guess it was at points, still nothing like SMB3 and SMBW so I dont find it to be one of the hardest marios, imo its in rank with one of the easiest!

As for NSMBW being specifically for casuals, yeah I think that was sort of the plan. I mean party mode (the mode aimed at casuals) gave everyone infinte lives so you didnt have to worry about losing lives and being knocked back like 5 levels due to game over, that plus the super guide which is self explanitory.....

That game had casuals covered for the most part! Heck my 4 1/2 year old brother got it for christmas and he's already on world 7 WHILE he cant even get past world one in SMW or SMB3 :roll:

that won´t be a problem for me

If there is no hub world then thats fine. Maybe a possiblity the Koopalings might be in it.

Mario's head will be the hub world just pay attention to the World Selection screenshot! :D

Pierst179

It almost looks like each "world" is a hub, with several smaller planets or moons surrounding it, each being its own level.

Dunno, can't really gather much from one screenshot.

Can anyone explain what Mario's wearing on his head? Almost looks like a Bowser cap...

bob_newman

lol that screen looks just like the Galaxy map from Mass Effect, is Nintendo ripping off BioWare? :P If that is the case, the hub world may be a moving hub world like the Normandy(a spaceship) or he may go to different hub worlds. Also even if it was a level system like in the 2D Mario's, you could probably travel to any Galaxy within a level and back to other levels and so on, you know standard fare. Remember, unlike the 2D games where the goal is just get to exit and at most you play a stage twice to get a secret entrance. 3D Mario's use the star system, where you have to collect six for each world, that system doesn't lend itself well to linear design. Their not going to make you get all six stars and then go the get next stage and do that as well. Even if they removed the hub world, I doubt much will change. Sepewrath

Mario's head will be the hub world just pay attention to the World Selection screenshot! :D

Pierst179

[QUOTE="Pierst179"]

Mario's head will be the hub world just pay attention to the World Selection screenshot! :D

Meinhard1

I hadn't noticed the steering wheel! Nice detail! I noticed a Yoshi Egg on the tip of Mario's nose, does that mean we will be able to take Yoshi to any Galaxy we wish to? :shock:

The Hub world was terrible in Galaxy. I loved the castle though in Mario 64.

The only thing good about having one hub is that you don't need to beat all the levels in one world in order to unlock other ones (hence collecting stars). If they can avoid making it so you have to beat 1 world at a time, and keep it the classic 3d Mario way, then I'll be okay with this move.

According to IGN's impression, there wasn't really any sort of menu system in place for the demo...I think that the hub world could be considered as part of that menu system. Matt C. said that it looked like the galaxy map was quickly programmed together.

According to IGN's impression, there wasn't really any sort of menu system in place for the demo...I think that the hub world could be considered as part of that menu system. Matt C. said that it looked like the galaxy map was quickly programmed together.

Sky-

Nintendo said they were still putting in things. A few things here and there. They didn't even have the orcastrated music yet. Atleast I think?

According to IGN's impression, there wasn't really any sort of menu system in place for the demo...I think that the hub world could be considered as part of that menu system. Matt C. said that it looked like the galaxy map was quickly programmed together.

Sky-

[QUOTE="Sky-"]

According to IGN's impression, there wasn't really any sort of menu system in place for the demo...I think that the hub world could be considered as part of that menu system. Matt C. said that it looked like the galaxy map was quickly programmed together.

Sepewrath

I don't really like the Hub world in 3D Mario games they always seemed useless I liked how it was in the 2D titles. Although I do admit once I got used to it in SMS I did like Delfino Plaza.

it's not like you had something useful to do on SMG's hub world.BrunoBRS

[QUOTE="BrunoBRS"]it's not like you had something useful to do on SMG's hub world.garrett_duffman

[QUOTE="garrett_duffman"][QUOTE="BrunoBRS"]it's not like you had something useful to do on SMG's hub world.BrunoBRS

That's because Luigi was harder to play as. He would slip every time he stopped running, and that could be a problem on tricky spots.

I wouldn't mind not having a hub world as long as something handy replaces it. Running from one group of galaxies to the next on the Comet Observatory was repetitive.

That won't be the actual interface of the game.

According to IGN's hands-on, it's simply a quickly-programmed menu. Keep in mind that it's a demo.

[QUOTE="BrunoBRS"][QUOTE="garrett_duffman"] besides getting lives thrown at you constantly.... that was annoying1-Up_Gamer

That's because Luigi was harder to play as. He would slip every time he stopped running, and that could be a problem on tricky spots.

I wouldn't mind not having a hub world as long as something handy replaces it. Running from one group of galaxies to the next on the Comet Observatory was repetitive.

From the looks of this new screen it seems like SMG2 will proceed on a path much like older games, with worlds that have galaxies (levels) in them (if that ain't confusing).

What do you guys think? Good idea, bad idea, I'm reading too much into it that's not what the screen shows at all?

If what I'm seeing is true, I don't think I like it.

Arc2012

I don't really like the Hub world in 3D Mario games they always seemed useless I liked how it was in the 2D titles. Nintendo_Ownes7

There was actually things to do in the hub worlds included in the first two 3d games. Whether it was collecting secret stars, unlocking the colored switches for the hats, or entering the worlds through the paintings. It wasn't just a world connector.

Same goes with delfino isle.

Galaxy's hub was pointless unless you count talking to Toads or having a child's story read to you.

If true it looks like they're really going all out to make this a title for the casual user

Making it linear makes it casual friendly, there's been many interviews saying that the whole point of gaining the casual player's attention is to put them in the gameplay as quickly as possible. By taking out the hub you allow the casual user a straight path for instant gratification.

I think it's a good idea

Jaysonguy

[QUOTE="Meinhard1"][QUOTE="Pierst179"]

Mario's head will be the hub world just pay attention to the World Selection screenshot! :D

Pierst179

I hadn't noticed the steering wheel! Nice detail! I noticed a Yoshi Egg on the tip of Mario's nose, does that mean we will be able to take Yoshi to any Galaxy we wish to? :shock:

I think I read somewhere where it was said that yoshi will only be in SOME levels. I really hope Yoshi can be in every level. I hope they mean that you can only find the egg in certain levels, or you get the egg as an unlockable like the red star in Galaxy 1...except yoshi can go with you to levels :D

It almost looks like each "world" is a hub, with several smaller planets or moons surrounding it, each being its own level.

Dunno, can't really gather much from one screenshot.

Can anyone explain what Mario's wearing on his head? Almost looks like a Bowser cap...

bob_newman