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We can't have the graphics like PS3 and the 360 but I think Metroid Prime 3 graphics were good in it's own way. I do agree. Third Party developers never seem to make the game as long as First Party Developers would make them. pro_gamer12345
Still, i don't think they weren't as good as God of War, a game that came out last!
Well, MoH:H2 is a PSP port...
And people actually get wowed by a cut-scene? That has never happened to me...
i think they see the wii as more of a quick money maker than a hardcore console, so u get alot of ports and casual games, and less hardcore games that take advantage of the consoletiminator18i agree here
developers see the wii as a gold mine, thus you see a billions games pumping out constantly
which isn't a bad thing to have that the option and variety
but wow, there are some really bad games out there
The wii is technically an upgraded gamecube, that's why its so easy to play gamecube games on it, it even comes with memory card slots.The-Great-One99
Yeah, and the Gamecube is an upgraded N64, which is an upgraded SNES, which is an upgraded NES. So I guess the Wii is an upgraded NES.
[QUOTE="Head_of_games"]Still, i don't think they weren't as good as God of War, a game that came out last!
Jaysonguy
Time to develop for the PS2? 6 years
Time to develop for the Wii? 16 months
It takes time for a dev to understand then develop for the Wii's architecture.
Not an excuse. Given the architecture is literally a Gamecube with more memory and a more efficient processor, they've had over 6 years.
[QUOTE="Jaysonguy"][QUOTE="Head_of_games"]Still, i don't think they weren't as good as God of War, a game that came out last!
Smoke_ManMuscle
Time to develop for the PS2? 6 years
Time to develop for the Wii? 16 months
It takes time for a dev to understand then develop for the Wii's architecture.
Not an excuse. Given the architecture is literally a Gamecube with more memory and a more efficient processor, they've had over 6 years.
Not at all, you're under the impression that because some of the specs are the same they can just "add more" to the games.
Everything needs to be built from the ground up again, not your idea of putting more on.
[QUOTE="Smoke_ManMuscle"][QUOTE="Jaysonguy"][QUOTE="Head_of_games"]Still, i don't think they weren't as good as God of War, a game that came out last!
Jaysonguy
Time to develop for the PS2? 6 years
Time to develop for the Wii? 16 months
It takes time for a dev to understand then develop for the Wii's architecture.
Not an excuse. Given the architecture is literally a Gamecube with more memory and a more efficient processor, they've had over 6 years.
Not at all, you're under the impression that because some of the specs are the same they can just "add more" to the games.
Everything needs to be built from the ground up again, not your idea of putting more on.
I'm a month away from a degree in computer science.
Don't tell me what I do and do not know on this subject.
I'm a month away from a degree in computer science.
Don't tell me what I do and do not know on this subject.
Smoke_ManMuscle
Don't care if you've passed the course, had the best grade, and the teacher had a crush on you
You're wrong
Just by saying the two consoles are the same you opted out of the argument
[QUOTE="Smoke_ManMuscle"]I'm a month away from a degree in computer science.
Don't tell me what I do and do not know on this subject.
Jaysonguy
Don't care if you've passed the course, had the best grade, and the teacher had a crush on you
You're wrong
Just by saying the two consoles are the same you opted out of the argument
Get yourself educated before you presume to know what you're talking about.
*sigh*
Tell a person he has no clue and they'll rationalize their way out of it while you get moderated. Here's the facts:
There is no learning curve. They're already passed it. The reason you're seeing crap on Wii is because crap developers are the only ones making that crap on Wii. There are no first string 3rd party developers making games on Wii. Not a single one.
No, Jasonguy is not right. He's absolutely wrong. Now go tell a moderator I hurt his feelings before he gets back and gets upset over it. Wouldn't want anyone challenging opinions around here, would we?
[QUOTE="Jaysonguy"][QUOTE="Smoke_ManMuscle"][QUOTE="Jaysonguy"][QUOTE="Head_of_games"]Still, i don't think they weren't as good as God of War, a game that came out last!
Smoke_ManMuscle
Time to develop for the PS2? 6 years
Time to develop for the Wii? 16 months
It takes time for a dev to understand then develop for the Wii's architecture.
Not an excuse. Given the architecture is literally a Gamecube with more memory and a more efficient processor, they've had over 6 years.
Not at all, you're under the impression that because some of the specs are the same they can just "add more" to the games.
Everything needs to be built from the ground up again, not your idea of putting more on.
I'm a month away from a degree in computer science.
Don't tell me what I do and do not know on this subject.
I'm not sure how much of the dev kit API changed between the two. If it has changed quite a bit then you would probably have to start over with a lot of the engines and what not that do the rendering. I'm sure the control portion of the API has changed dramatically and i bet few know how to tweak sensitivity and false positives as well as nintendo. Or maybe that is why we don't see major upgrades in the graphics department. The new API has all the old and some new and devs are just to lazy to swap out code for the new methods or functions.Correct me if Im wrong, but I don't think Nintendo has fully revealed to much of anyone the Wii's technical specifications, including alot of 3rd parties.
If this really is the case then most developers most likely can only go in projects assuming the Wii is as powerful as the Gamecube.
That and alot of Wii games are simply ported PS2/PSP games.
some people in this thread need their eyes fixed, to the OP, if you've ever seen a cutscene like this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SvJS6tuuBfM) on ps2, gc or xbox please show me.
2nd, to the person that said most games on wii look like TP, get real, heres a vid of MP3 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-EAhzQe6RJE) thats gameplay, now heres the best looking scene in TP (i've completed it 4 times) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yVZzCokcEwI thats a cutscene and MP3 still looks better
and also, who still doesn't know that the gc is more powerful than the ps2? because some of you talk like its the other way around.
^^^ because GC didn't exactly have the best third party support so its basically like a new archtecture to themxcot
I've yet to see any game on Wii that wouldn't be possible to run on a Gamecube. Despite Wii being technically around almost twice the processing power, I don't see anything in games like Galaxy, MP3, or Brawl that wouldn't be possible to do on a Gamecube.Yes MP3 has the nice bloom shader, and Brawl with the great cutscenes, but its not anything a Gamecube couldn't handle.Although I don't blame the developers as yet. Currently many are still porting games to PS2, which is the same version (graphically anyway) that gets ported to the Wii. It saves time and money for them to make little graphical changes to the Wii versions of those games. Once PS2 porting has died out, then the third party companies are likely to pull their finger out and get some effort into the presentation of their games.
As to the first party games, its likely that many, if not all of them, started their development cycle on Gamecube. There is no Wii-specific controls in Brawl, Galaxy feels like the "star bits" were thrown in last minute, the game would work without them, but Nintendo probably threw them in along with the few extra levels you needed star bits to get to. And if you take away the Bloom shader in MP3, it'd look identical to MP2. But now that they are truly out of the Gamecube era, the next rush of first party games should be a whole lot better, and feel more Wii-specific.
Weddum
galaxy isnt possible in gc. and there r more effect in mp3 than bloom lighting, and shade.
I just said its obvious there are parts to (Note: PARTS TO) those games where its possible to believe they may have started on Gamecube. And there isn't much graphically added to MP3 apart from the Bloom shader and slightly more crisp particles, which would have been upgraded if MP3 was Gamecube anyway. And you can complete about 90% of Galaxy without ever having to touch a pull star or go to a galaxy you need star bits for.
Also Brawl, MP3 and Galaxy were announced before Wii was released, as launch titles or close around that window. And all of them had a rather large delay over that. So that more makes it seem to be that the transition of all the old Gamecube elements took more time than they thought.
^^^ because GC didn't exactly have the best third party support so its basically like a new archtecture to themxcot
Exactly, GC mainly got PS2 ports and so is the Wii. The architecture of the Wii is an evolution of the GC. I don't see any reason for them to focus more on the graphics if they games devs make are very profitable. It's just not worth the effort. Even Mark Rein mentioned that's it's not work the effort to make a middleware engine for such outdated hardware.
I agree. Wii could handle a slightly watered down CoD4 or RE5. I wish third party developers would shape up, but there's nothing we can do about it.NFS102
It's not worth the effort. You would have to completely rebuild the engine the games run on. The Wii doesn't have the architecture to support those games. The gameplay can be possible brought over, but there will be so many sacrifices due to memory contraints, lack of multi core processor, etc. It's not worth it. Also, Capcom starts development on PCs first. They would have to make these games for the PS2 beofe they could even consider porting to the Wii.
third party developers often make games for many platforms at once. usually the 360/PS3 version are built together, and a Ps2 version is built seperatly. Now instead of building a Wii version seperatly from the ground up its much easier for lazy devolpers to port over the PS2 version and add Wii controlls. Its a shame really. The sooner the PS2 dies the sooner we will see better quality 3rd party games for the Wii. anybody got any thoughts on this?Yo-gan
The most ironnic thing is that the PS2 probably won't die due to the Wii. So we will continue to see this trend until Nintendo decides to bring out a newer much more powerful system.
it seems like the devs rather work more with 360/ps3 because they are more powerful than the wii. I wouldn't call them lazy for not wanting to make good games on the wii but business wise its better to focuse on ps3/60.
haromix reason for sloppy rockband
http://www.gamespot.com/pages/news/show_blog_entry.php?topic_id=26332973&sid=6188992&tag=latestnews;title;2
actually ,, i found many third party games that looked good suprisingly, and played well ,, its just you gotta like those games to like em , for example those who complained about red steel ,, probably never liked that type of game to begin with the other half is just mistaken it for goldeneye gameplay wise, red steel was awsome day 1 but today its the house of the dead 2/3 for me . red steel is still the best 4 player fps on wii , medal of honor i think is only 2 i have to look at it again but ya some games dont look as they were updated graphics wise but i cant complain because nintendo did not promise ps3 360 like graphics, , they promised fun and new games and so far nintendo and even third party lived up to that, regardless if you like some of these new games ,, or not i still say , wii offers me more exclusive games in a single year then any console made from ps1-now, i rather have games that are fun to play then have games that look good like pd0 ,, but do not play good, or even offer less,
and honestly if your into local multiplayer, wii is the best choice out there, ps3 and 360s games are online mainly, which is ticking me off knowing i have 6 controllers, but only 7 games out of 30+ that support local 2-4 player multiplayer, same for ps3 , i cant tell you how much of a waste it is to buy extra controllers any more and im sure people who bought 2 360 controllers or more at launch and thought it would be like xbox , would feel the same way i do
but ya you just gotta like a variety in games not just a single genre to own any console this gen , its not gonna be easy if you only liked rpgs or fpses ,, you gotta explore all genres like i do , and i so far only own 1 game i regret buying but i only payed 1999 for it , not 59.99 for it, so in a way your not getting ripped off or gonna feel riped off, because prices for wii games aint as high as 360 ps3 games..
plus i got vc games to , so what if i played them already well some of them ,, i still say its fun today i still play my snes nes n64 etc , , if you look in my collection youll notice i have games across every genre known except one,, that is educational , those i can live without , ,
from action to rpg i own alot of games in these genres less rpg but still , i own em .. and i like most of them , theres only a small few i regret buying in all , maybe 10 out of 804 games arent that good i list them here
1 alien syndrom wii
2 fighting force 64
3 the original gtas - not much freedom also hard to play
4 zombies ate my neighbors genesis i liked the snes version for its easy controls and fun gameplay genesis has the fun of snes but i cant control it as i can with snes
5 amped. i got it as a bundle but still , i think it could have been like 1080
6 nba courtside 2-n64
7 collage hoops 99 -n64
8 zelda mm-n64 ya one zelda game i never understood
9 mario party 1-blisters hurt and quite frankly i got alot playing this game hence why 2-mpds do not use the stick rotation ,,
10 halo 2- xbox,, only 1 game from this gen ,, i already listed it 2 x , but any how ya i kinda agree .alien syndrom looks like not even a gamecu be game it looks like a snes game lol .. not that it would be bad , if the gameplay were fun id be ok but no its not ,
it seems like the devs rather work more with 360/ps3 because they are more powerful than the wii. I wouldn't call them lazy for not wanting to make good games on the wii but business wise its better to focuse on ps3/60.
wrong , ,, they put more of the fpses wii doesnt get on the others yes but look at the all games section for each console youll see wii has more, ,, its just that its hard for those games to be on wii , and sell hence why wii gets its own set of games, a good set at that,
i just bouight amf bowling, and liked it, not loved it as much but it still fun to play ,, and like many said youll need 2 or all consoles this gen to get all the best games,
look at this list of exclusives for each console then think again im gonna take note that wii has way more exclusives from third party if wed exclude psp and ps2 , as they aint part of the next gen or psp isnt a console
wii -im listing only 3rd party exclusives
carnival games
game party
ea playground
amf bowling
red steel
medal of honor vanguard
medal of honor heroes 2
driver paralel lines -play the older versions if you like but those who own a wii want games for it
resident evil uc
house of the dead 2/3
timesplitters 4-still uknown but free radical said they want it on wii they havent announced any other platform since then so ya
FAR CRY vengance
cruisn
dave mira bmx challenge- for those tony hawk/extreame sports fans,
enough for wii
360
dead rising
saints row
test drive unlimited-also on ps2 but just like i said earlier people want games for their new platforms
nfs most wanted-the only next gen version
burnout revenge-again the only next gen version of the game
madden 06-same here
ps3
haze
mgs4
folkure
and thats that ,,
wiis got more support quite frankly and why are we making this a system wars thread again ,, this belongs in system wars
haromix reason for sloppy rockband
http://www.gamespot.com/pages/news/show_blog_entry.php?topic_id=26332973&sid=6188992&tag=latestnews;title;2
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